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karlyisidoreu · 2 days
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The Morality Of Hiroshima And Nagasaki
A small debate has arisen in Conservative circles over the morality of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. One side proclaims that the decision was evil because it targeted innocent civilians on a massive scale (regardless of how many lives it may have saved) and furthermore anyone who will not denounce the decision is evil themselves. The other side declares that it was a moral decision because it saved more lives than it claimed. Now one error that many critics of the decision seem to make is that they speak as though this was a choice between the deaths of the innocent civilians of these two cities, and the deaths of a larger number of armed troops on both sides. It was not. If it were it would be an easier decision.
The first thing that needs to be acknowledged is that, like contemporary discussions of slavery, this is a discussion of a different moral climate. Innocent civilians were not merely targeted by the hydrogen bomb but were regularly targeted by conventional bombs during the war in a way that would be entirely unthinkable today. Entire cities were bombed out. Hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians were killed in German cities alone. So the grim practical choice here was between years and years of more targeted conventional bombing of innocent civilians, or these two acts against Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
If I were personally sent back in a time machine and given the power to make this decision I could not, for I am a product of a different time. The question is whether or not, within the context of that time, this was the best decision. In my opinion it was for the time. Some will object to my claim that this was a different moral climate by pointing out statements of the era that express an awareness of the evil of targeting civilians. But we can do the same thing with slavery. Every single major founding father is on record condemning the institution of slavery as grossly immoral. This does not change the fact that it was a different moral climate; for in today's Western world the very notion of slavery is unthinkable.
The targeting of civilians was not some extreme deviation peculiar to World War 2 either. It was practiced in World War 1, and in most earlier wars, indicating that the extreme taboo against it presently is indeed a convention of the modern world.
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53v3nfrn5 · 5 months
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Fruit-Shaped Bus Stops (1990) Location: Nagasaki, Japan
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zegalba · 1 month
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Fruit-Shaped Bus Stops (1990) Location: Nagasaki, Japan
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enbycrip · 4 months
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If you’re not aware, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were deliberately not bombed with the firebombs that destroyed most of Tokyo and other Japanese cities in 1945 because they were two of a number of cities deliberately selected as locations for atomic bombings.
They wanted a “pristine” test of their new weapon on a previously undamaged city.
The US knew those cities were full of civilian refugees when they bombed them. They had herded them there.
Parallels, huh?
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angelamor · 1 year
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The bus stop in Nagasaki is too cute 🍈
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webdiggerxxx · 17 days
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꧁★꧂
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zombilenium · 5 months
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Hashima Island, Nagasaki, Japan,
Image Courtesy: Media Drum World
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pangeen · 1 year
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“ Spring, Coming Soon “ // © ラムミ 
Music:  wadakaoru - Futari no kimochi
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humanoidhistory · 9 months
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"First picture of results of atomic bomb." From the front page for the Gainesville Daily Register, Texas, August 13, 1945.
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whereserpentswalk · 9 months
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Idk if this is a hot take or not but I feel the need to stress: no discussion about the bombings of hiroshima and nagasaki has any reason to mention Japanese war crimes. Literally nothing a government does justifies killing random people who happen to live in that government's territory. It is genocidal rhetoric to act as if a group of people can do something that justifes killing massive amounts of them.
There is an idea in western culture that we can judge warcrimes based on how "good" of a group were the victims. This dates back to the conquest of the Aztec empire, where things that horrified Europeans at the time where justified by bringing up terrible things done by the Aztec government. People defend the Spanish empire on those grounds today. It's so pervasive that it'll even come up when people are talking agaisnt genocides (they'll bring up native groups being peaceful as the reason why westward expansion was bad, as if them being human wasn't enough).
Would Russia be justified in nuking the US because the US government committed warcrimes in the middle east? (Actually speaking of Russia, you'll see this rhetoric when tankies bring up Ukraine's nazi problem.) Because if not, and you think hiroshima and nagasaki were justified, then you have to give a reason other then the fact that you judge the lives of westerners and nonwesterners differently.
If someone brings up crimes a group committed, real or imaginary, when arguing about atrocities committed agaisnt them, they've already told you that they don't believe people of that group have rights, that they believe anything can be done to them if it's justified.
There is no crime someone can commit, that's so bad that it justifies killing a stranger who happens to speak the same language as them.
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icedsodapop · 9 months
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Literally! 226,000 civillians died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and as of 2022, 118,935 hibakusha (explosion-affected people) are still alive today. The hibakusha are still being discriminated today when in comes to marriage and work prospects. But sure Chris, let's makes another film centering the dude who spearheaded the fucking project that created the hibakusha 😒🤷🏻‍♀️
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mysharona1987 · 2 months
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From the Washington Post.
Oh, Israel learned everything it knows from the US.
Also, Dr Bresser is a very terrible doctor. I thought doctors were meant to save people?
“Nah, let’s just starve one million children to death.”
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sakebytheriver · 10 months
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I don't really know what to say about Oppenheimer and Christopher Nolan's newest glorification of white violence, I truly don't have a strong opinion either way nor do I have much to say on the film other than I hope the movie itself is less about glorifying Oppenheimer as some American folk hero and more about the massacre and devestation caused by the bombs
And on a personal note, the Japanese side of my family literally came from a suburb of Hiroshima. Of course, my great grandfather left Hiroshima with his brother long before WWII started and he settled in Hawai'i while his brother settled in Salinas Valley CA, when the war broke out the Salinas Valley branch of our family was all sent to the internment camps and two of my great uncles who left Hawai'i for the mainland were also interned along with their spouses and children, the only reason my grandmother and her family weren't interned is because there were just too many Japanese in Hawai'i to intern them, they were 60% of the population, interning Hawaiian Japanese would have meant capsizing Hawai'i's economy, (it didn't stop them from making a few internment camps for influential Japanese community leaders in Hawai'i though). Before the bombs were dropped, a distant relative of mine, a second cousin twice removed or something like that, went back to Japan, they went back to Hiroshima, back to where my family first came from. They went home to family
And then the bombs dropped.
And for months upon months, my family thought they were dead. They were finally able to contact our family and say they were still alive. They got lucky and didn't die in the bombing, but their story is an outlier, and my family got really really lucky in that regard. Of course, I have no idea about the family we still had in Hiroshima before my great grandfather left, but there's no doubt in my mind that I lost family when those bombs dropped, there's no doubt in my mind that a piece of my family history was destroyed, there is not doubt in my mind that there is forever an indelible mark on my family for the rest of time all because the US wanted to test out their fancy new toy that they made their pet scientist Oppenheimer build
I don't care about Oppenheimer, I care about the family I will never get to know
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i-am-aprl · 4 months
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In Gaza, the horrors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are being relived, but they occur in successive episodes, not just once.
في غزة يتم إعادة تجربة رعب هيروشيما وناجازاكي، ولكنها تحدث في حلقات متتابعة، وليس مرة واحدة
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