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NeuroPlex

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(AKA NeuralNets, NeuralNetsAndPrettyPatterns, NNPP, BimboVirus and others)

There are a number of accounts against him over the years, some of which have been retracted or disappeared due to harassment or fatigue on the part of the people who did the accusing. In one case I was aware of there was an accusation which was false(I won't include that one), but so far as I know that is not the norm. It might also not be the norm of people who interact with him that they wind up abused (he has his fair share of defenders, so I can only assume that his Yelp rating would be at least 3.5 stars on balance), so yeah if you join his server then maybe there's only a 5% chance you'll wind up being abused by him. But, y'know, that means Phi Delta's really a fine upstanding fraternity with no problems doesn't it? Anyway.

First, Strike Thanatos. This is an account from a person who was a mod on NNPPs Discord server and later left. There are accusations of abuse of power, witch hunts, and other forms of predatory and vindictive behavior in there. Go read it for yourself.

That leads us to (and is mentioned inside of)The Magenta Dream Domme Challenge. To say that this was a file with some problems is to say that the choice of gases used on the Hindenberg was somewhat hasty and ill thought-out. It's not that it wasn't effective for what it was; it's that it was designed in a predatory and unethical way. Given that NNPP has been doing this for years and this fits his general pattern and character of behavior, this isn't an accident. That people got as mad about it as they did - necessitating his making changes - is indicative of the fact that this wasn't a one-off thing. We all make mistakes. This wasn't a mistake. It was a failure, the product of a broken system of content creation (i.e. a fundamentally flawed creator).

Now, things did not end with Feather and Magenta Dream Domme and all that. I wish they did. This is also where it gets less sourced, but not because I don't have sources. If you choose not to believe me because I'm not linking them or they aren't talking, okay, but as I describe what happened I think you'll understand.

Since all that went down, NNPP has tried to pursue legal action against at least one member (or group of members acting collectively) of the community, disrupt their business, doxx them, and generally made a huge ass of himself (that last being my opinion) over being disinvited/banned from a hypnocon. Whenever I bring up his name at all, on any level, at least one and usually three of four people come forward to me privately with stories of abuse or mistreatment or consent violations and ask that I not share them for fear of reprisal. Now, I am 10,000% certain that if he himself walks into a room and starts talking then he will never hear those stories, but we all know why that is don't we? Like, don't we? It's not a mystery.

And, even saying all this, I don't think he's a mustache-twirling villain. He is not Emperor (Side note: The Emperor's actual first name is Sheev? Who wrote that?!?) Palpatine. Irresponsible? Yes, sometimes. A person who lets a little power go to his head? Yes. Someone who gets incredibly defensive when challenged on even the smallest thing? Yes. Those are not uncommon flaws, even taken together. However, when in combination and when combined with a position of power and authority, they can become incredibly toxic.

Is he a bad person? I don't know, I can't see into his heart. But, I do think he - and take it from someone who is going to therapy right now - could greatly benefit from some therapy, to talk through some things.

Finally, there's my personal stake in this. It is last because it is honestly the smallest and least important element in this, but I would be remiss to not include it because it establishes any personal bias I might have. This is a Tumblr messenger interaction between NNPP and I. I have since deleted the blog on which this interaction took place, so you will have to accept this copypasta for what it is.

Now, lets say that this was a case of bad timing. This long, annoying Tumblr chew-out of a conversation about nothing, which frustrated the hell out of me and soured any relationship that I might have ever had with him, came on a day that was otherwise (for personal reasons I won't disclose) one of the happiest and best of my life. Does that alter the lens through which I view everything else? Probably. Does that make me an unfit person to say these things? I don't think it does. I don't like him, but there are a lot of people I don't like who I nevertheless don't go out of my way to accuse of things. I boost the accusations of others because they are credible and important, not because I have a personal stake or animosity. But, I don't think it would be right to not mention my own personal animosity. So, here's the conversation in its entirety, presented behind a Read More for your sake (it's long and mostly pointless) -

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Primarily original MC content. Very few reblogs. Anonymous… Not following each other [Ed. note: Not following him now, though I was at the time this conversation happened.] 12/27/2017 neuralnetsandprettypatterns I scrolled through your page. There are at least two obvious unattributed rips. Why are you consistently hassling me for modified stuff?

pruningthemindsgarden Feel free to comment on those and I’ll fix them.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Yeah that doesn’t really answer the question though? Like why are you patrolling my stuff specifically?

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I’m interested in resolving that instead of just being a content cop and starting *more* fights

pruningthemindsgarden I’m not. If it seems like I am then that’s a coincidence. There are two pages that I DO specifically look for because they do basically 100% unattributed reposts of hypnokink artists, but you aren’t one of them.

pruningthemindsgarden when I see it I comment on it, because this is a niche community. Porn in general makes a whole lot more money and has a substantially larger audience than hypnosis/mind control porn.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Which pages?

pruningthemindsgarden hypno-control and tumbling4u2

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Well in st least two cases - Stephanie Michelle and Entranced - you criticized me for approved stuff. And the stuff i do is all remixed - it’s regenerated images through a set of mods What about coverthypnotism

pruningthemindsgarden I don’t have any special knowledge about them. If they do that I simply haven’t noticed it. If it was approved, great :)

neuralnetsandprettypatterns But I’m telling you now

pruningthemindsgarden yep, you are

neuralnetsandprettypatterns And you aren’t looking which implies to me that you’re a bit selective

pruningthemindsgarden I can’t control the implications things you think I am or am not doing have in your mind.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns This is why people lose patience with hall monitors

pruningthemindsgarden that’s quite likely, yes

neuralnetsandprettypatterns When it’s pointed out that they’re being selective, they just presume speaking bureaucratically is a shield Are you British?

pruningthemindsgarden *laughs* you’re asking leading questions because you are mad and have already decided that you want to try to paint me a particular way. I can’t control what you want to see from my actions or not, and I’m not perfect, but that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t do the best I can to do the best I can. as far as not going through coverthypnotism’s page, I don’t routinely do that. I comment on things that cross my feed. I can tell you I’ll be on the lookout now that you’ve mentioned it, though.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I’m really not mad - maybe more hard eye rolly?

pruningthemindsgarden sexy. :P (yes, that was a joke)

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I expect to have a certain number of haters. I’m interested in resolving the underlying conflict. It’s hard to do that when you’re speaking bureaucrat. I speak bureaucrat but it’s generally just a way to lie, so it doesn’t appeal as a method of conflict resolution. It’s a language of power in courtrooms and HR departments, not conflict resolution.

pruningthemindsgarden you began this conversation in an adversarial mode.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I ask if you’re British because you’re adopting idiosyncratic British expressions - which Americans do when they’re trying to sound frustratingly stuffy. So I wondered.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Yup. Because i think there’s an underlying animosity and if I just pointed out the inconsistency, I presumed it’d be a purely bureaucratic response - since you’ve already positioned yourself as a neutral arbitrer of rules.

pruningthemindsgarden Funny, no one told me I had positioned myself thusly.

pruningthemindsgarden and, if by not replying to comments meant to bait me is what you call bureaucratic, well, guilty as charged.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns No - that’s not what I mean. I mean that you’re speaking bureaucratically - not based on what you ignore, but the words you’re saying. I could break it down line by line, but that’s besides the point.

pruningthemindsgarden fair enough

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I’m saying - if you have an underlying animosity, you can say it and maybe get it resolved. If you say that this is a neutral exercise, you can and I can’t stop you, but I’m skeptical and your inner witness to your own performance is a bit skeptical too.

pruningthemindsgarden *laughs* don’t do that.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Thusly mode particular way quite simply substantially feel free Don’t do what?

pruningthemindsgarden making implicit statements about my feelings or what my subconscious thinks I am or am not doing.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Don’t know a thing about your subconscious. I’m reading your words.

pruningthemindsgarden now, as for my feelings, well yes they are somewhat complicated. If anything that causes me to mostly avoid your stuff, though, because that complexity isn’t your fault, not really, and I prefer to avoid acting on confirmation bias.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns That above statement doesn’t say enough for me to decipher it *without* inference You told me to avoid inference so my only available answer is “come again?”

pruningthemindsgarden In short - your content bothers me sometimes, so I avoid it. The complexity is me trying to internally unpack why and when and what is the basis of that distaste.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Yeah that is odd, because honestly I do quite a bit to disentangle the questions of autonomy and choice that might trouble you - up to and including being the only person actively pushing back against the alt right infusion. I see that as a bit more important, which is why I police Nazis instead of copyright but everyone has the hill they’ll die on I guess?

pruningthemindsgarden I suppose most people do, though I do far more than comment on the things you post. It’d be best if you didn’t assume this was mine.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I’m interested in the animosity - past the vagaries.

pruningthemindsgarden There isn’t animosity.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns “Complex feeling of distaste confirmation bias” So I’m interested in the cfodcb

pruningthemindsgarden yes, I did say those things. Those aren’t the same thing as animosity.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Np one’s just tough to type

pruningthemindsgarden well, they mean different things. My feelings largely stem from you use of (at least what I have perceived as) misogyny kink. Do I need to define that for you? It’s something I’ve talked about a few times but I don’t know how widely used or transparent it is.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns your feelings about that, based on your feed, are…ambivalent

pruningthemindsgarden yes, they are

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Like half the stuff you post is male dominant fem submissive brainwashing - but I think what you’re saying is that the stuff that plays with cultural tropes makes you feel conflicted Like housewifery and sandwich making Is that in the ballpark?

pruningthemindsgarden like I said, if you need me to define what I mean by that term I can.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I’m actually curious, not arguing. I’m trying to suss out what about me specifically inspires this reactive policing. What it is that you’re reall trying to police.

pruningthemindsgarden but yes, things like that are at least sometimes in the ballpark. The part where it starts to bother me is not simply the idea of women in Stepford-esque roles. it’s when there is an implication that women in general should be in those roles. and no, I’m not “really” trying to police anything like I said, my reaction to that is to avoid most of your stuff

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I don’t see you policing the dozens of hardcore misogyny blogs though?

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I mean, you can again presume that you’re policing this content because of entirely neutral rules based systems. That’s illusory, but I’m not going to separate anyone from their illusions. My question is - is there anything that distinguishes my content from the swath of other content saying the same thing? I’ve never seen you interact with your natural state for instance. I’d thought it apparent that i don’t believe that and find it thrillingly taboo because i exist in and support an environment that’s quite the opposite!

pruningthemindsgarden I don’t follow YNS, and have spoken against those ideas rather frequently in the past. and, yes, from talking to other people I do know that you do not really feel that way. Again, you are making a core assumption that I am going out of my way to “police” you. That’s simply not the case.

pruningthemindsgarden I saw something, I said something. That’s how it works with everyone.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Yes, I know, it’s entirely neutral. A commitment to comity.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns You don’t follow me, I presume. I am interested in ways that my content might be especially troubling. But it’s just any misogyny - yeah sure - kinda boring but no problem.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I felt there was a more interesting or nuanced bit in there.

pruningthemindsgarden sorry to bore you, I suppose 12/28/2017

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Unattributed http://pruningthemindsgarden.tumblr.com/post/169041643437/themistresslove-assnosis-is-real-just-try-to-not

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Unattributed http://pruningthemindsgarden.tumblr.com/post/169038957137/jukeboxemcsa-its-so-silly-that-when-most-people

pruningthemindsgarden the first is linked from Mistress LOVE’s Tumblr, so I don’t see your point.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns It’s an unattributed rip

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Unattributed http://pruningthemindsgarden.tumblr.com/post/169038806497/convoluted-moonscape-rae-being-naughty

pruningthemindsgarden and if you have a source for the second, I’ll amend my reblog. I did a quick Google search for it and couldn’t find anything other than reposts and aggregators.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Unattributed http://pruningthemindsgarden.tumblr.com/post/169037070332/hypsan-i-love-snapping-my-fingers-and-making-her Unattributed and offensively bad production value http://pruningthemindsgarden.tumblr.com/post/169027155402/themistresslove-the-bimbo-bubbles-in-your-mind

pruningthemindsgarden the third one doesn

pruningthemindsgarden the third one doesn’t have any meaningful Google hits for it. The source of the reblog itself might be able to give more insight, but I can’t find any.

pruningthemindsgarden the fourth is the same as the first.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Unattributed http://pruningthemindsgarden.tumblr.com/post/169017512012/jukeboxemcsa-complacent-the-word-rested-in If ripping content is bad who cares that you can’t find it

pruningthemindsgarden but, if you like and have sources for any of those, I’ll add them.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns All jukebox visuals are unattributed rips So…. if you can find the sources you police them but if you can’t you don’t? Wut

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Ripped and unattributed http://pruningthemindsgarden.tumblr.com/post/169013773962/thesuccubuslair-no-reason-to-be-shy-ladies

pruningthemindsgarden because those are transformative. I objected to yours because you were taking hypno porn and making hypno porn of it. That’s not fair use. but as I also noted, if you have permission for that I’ll happily rescind my statement

neuralnetsandprettypatterns So someone slaps hypno captions on other porn and fair use Ripped http://pruningthemindsgarden.tumblr.com/post/169013479052/spiralstaring-thecrimsoncommander That’s not how fair use works

pruningthemindsgarden https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

neuralnetsandprettypatterns That’s you trying to neg someone’s blog cause it squicks you

pruningthemindsgarden no, it’s not.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns It’s obviously made up. No ones trying to overwhelm you. *literally everything you reblog* is a rip Ok not literally but like almost everything. Over half And this incredibly contrived distinction isn’t fooling anyone. You’re just gunning for some blogs

neuralnetsandprettypatterns You could just as easily say that my substantial graphic modifications are “fair use” and jukebox unauthorized reproduction aren’t.

pruningthemindsgarden Yes, that you feel that way is abundantly clear.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Saying “abundantly” doesn’t intimidate anyone. Is there anyone - anywhere - who supports your extremely idiosyncratic fair use doctrine?

pruningthemindsgarden you think I was trying to intimidate you with that word choice? yes

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Please show me! I think you were trying to sound snooty because you do that. I am fascinated by the “reproduction must be across genre lines”

pruningthemindsgarden https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/four-factors/

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Fair use doctrine Yeah I’m familiar and that’s irrelevant.

pruningthemindsgarden that is a rephrasing of the market replacement element of fair use doctrine

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Bahahahaha That has never ever been used in a court ahahahhaha did you just read it on Wikipedia or are you a creative IPR lawyer Now I’ve gone from annoyed to actually impressed. Like that’s never ever ever been used as such in a court but your ready citation of it is *kisses fingers chef style* You’re a trip Im impressed

pruningthemindsgarden I don’t see how that’s relevant.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns You don’t see why precedent in litigation is how IPR doctrine is generally fleshed out?

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Ok are you an IPR lawyer who is trolling or a smart kid looking at wikipedia bahahahaha

pruningthemindsgarden I’m neither.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns The way it actually works is that litigation matters a lot more than statues cause it’s super hard to craft statues that are actually consistent It’s amaze balls that you had a ready citation for the four factor test but that it was so wrong Are you just an IPR hobbyist? *statutes IPR would be impossible under a real Napoleanic system

neuralnetsandprettypatterns It’s a common law construct. Either way, your devotion to playing a lawyer is awesome. Is there anything i can do for you to credit it? You’re the king of Internet Law and I wanna surrender

pruningthemindsgarden add a source citation, ideally a link to the material. for instance, the GIFs that started this conversation came from “Encore, Encore” by Daphne’s Fantasies. A link to that would help, I’m sure, directing people to that content if they are curious how to get it.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Can i give you a trophy too though? I think they came from primal Do u have a link?

pruningthemindsgarden no, just that’s fine. If they came from a different video then yeah a link to that is fine. https://www.clips4sale.com/studio/59203/17703302/Encore%2C+Encore%21+Part+1

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Wait Some of *their* content is ripped Ahahahhahahaa

neuralnetsandprettypatterns And they’re charging for it (which is really relevant in actual law, i dunno if it matters in cyber law)

pruningthemindsgarden they are the same studio as MC Theater, if that’s what you’re coinfused by.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Can you change your name to “the cyber police” No that’s not what I’m confused by

pruningthemindsgarden ah

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I mean there’s actual ripped content there

pruningthemindsgarden and no, I’d rather not

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Should i report it? It might shut them down

pruningthemindsgarden I’m sure of you contact them about that, should you be concerned, you can resolve that.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns So… why do you talk like that?

pruningthemindsgarden the same reason you talk the way you do, I’m sure.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns uhhhh

#hypnokink #hypnokink community #safety

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