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The ITSAY Anniversary Show, Part 1
AND WE'RE BACK!
October marks the third anniversary of the show that rewired the BL industry, and it felt like the right time for a retrospective. In part 1 Ben leads a panel talk on I Told Sunset About You. Just us along with @liyazaki, @waitmyturtles, @wen-kexing-apologist, and @so-much-yet-to-learn
Join us as we talk about our history with the genre, Phuket as a setting, the complexities of the characters, and why this show remains so important.
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0:00 - Intro 4:16 - How did you come to ITSAY? 11:31 - Phuket as a Setting 19:00 - Style and Genre 29:40 - Characters 36:18 - Teh and Oh's Dynamic 50:07 - Why do you care so much about ITSAY? 1:04:08 - Outro
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0:00 - Intro
Ben
BWOOOOOOOOM. Okay. It Worked. You're already in it. 
Nini
[laughs] That's staying in.
Ben
Welcome back to The Conversation, everyone, for our fall season. We're very excited about this season. We decided to take advantage of the reduced output of shows, at least for part of summer, and decided to do a retrospective on I Told Sunset About You and I Promised You the Moon. We also have made a lot of friends in our time on Tumblr and decided to hang out with some of them, and talk about the show so it wouldn't just be me and Nini blabbing about one of our favorite projects.
Nini
Our panel of I Told Sunset About You experts includes the lovely, the only Turtles a.k.a @waitmyturtles on Tumblr. We have Aiden @so-much-yet-to-learn on Tumblr. We have Captain Hands who is @wen-kexing-apologist on Tumblr. And the fabulous friend of the pod, our good friend mor @liyazaki on Tumblr. 
So that is our esteemed panel for I Told Sunset About You in this episode. That's who you're gonna hear. In the next episode we're gonna talk I Promised You the Moon and have a different set of people on. 
So, Ben, aside from the fact that it's the anniversary of I Told Sunset About You—the third anniversary—why did you feel like this was the right time?
Ben
I think this has probably been one of the most thematically interesting years that the genre has had, and I've said many times that I don't think we'd be able to get the kinds of quality productions we're getting out of the genre now without the success of I Told Sunset About You and I Promised You the Moon, and I feel like for us to move forward with this particular show I think we had to at least get that show out of our system and into the recording. It had been bothering both of us that we hadn't really sat down and talked about it even though we dropped constantly that we are fans. I think it was really useful to talk about it. 
I really liked that we actually split up for it because you and I talked to each other a lot on this show, and it was really fun to talk to some other people about the show first and get some other perspectives.
Nini
We always say that one of the whole points of The Conversation is to expand the conversation outward, so we had a really good time doing these panels. We think you're gonna enjoy them. So, let's just dive right in.
4:16 - How did you come to ITSAY?
Ben
We're gonna get right into it, Our first question of the night. We're gonna start with Mor: longtime friend of the podcast. Mor?
Mor
Yes, hi Ben! 
Ben
How did you come to ITSAY?
Mor
[laughs] Well I came to ITSAY actually as a relatively new BL watcher — I had very begrudgingly watched 2gether and a handful of other very typical GMMTV type shows. And I had heard that there were some higher budget higher brow BLs out there, but I'm not ashamed to admit that what initially drew me to the genre in the first place is the… kind of fluffy romance trope-driven narratives? And it was just the first time that I had encountered any kind of queer media that was so lighthearted, and typically took place in a world where homophobia basically doesn't exist, and especially as a slightly older queer, that was such a nice change of pace compared to the other queer media that I'd been consuming up until that point. So frankly, the idea of watching a more serious BL back then made me a little nervous, even though that's a lot of what I typically watch when it comes to Western media. So I put off watching ITSAY for a while until I eventually decided to just jump into it and the rest is history. 
ITSAY isn't just my favorite show in the genre, it's one of my favorite shows and pieces of media period. I Promised You the Moon is too, but that's a hot take I'll expound on next time.
Ben
Thank you. Aiden, what about you, you've been around BL for a bit. How did you come to ITSAY?
Aiden
I've been in the BL slash QL sphere since the beginning, largely as a lurker. I didn't watch ITSAY when it aired, due to not being in the right headspace at the time to tackle a show with that much emotional impact. It was obviously very much in the zeitgeist, constantly in my feed, impossible to miss. So many other shows since then have been compared to it and I always planned to watch it someday in the nebulous future, but with so many things constantly airing I’d never quite gotten around to it. 
So when word went out that Ben and Nini were looking for people who hadn't watched it yet to get a mix of perspectives, I figured there probably weren't many others who'd been around as long as I had and somehow hadn't watched it yet. I re-evaluated whether or not I was ready to watch it and turns out I was! So, better late than never.
Ben
I am so glad we finally convinced you to watch the show. I wasn't gonna push you but I'm like ‘oh my god Aiden’s finally watching.’
Aiden
I'm glad as well. It was definitely an excellent thing to watch.
Ben
Okay, Captain Hands! [laughs] What about you?
Captain Hands
So I got into BL like a year-ish ago, and of course being a queer person who had not seen a lot of queer media the worms got in my brain instantly! There's like a master post of queer Asian shows that is somewhere on Tumblr that I saw, I don't know what user it is, sorry! But I saw a post that had I Told Sunset About You on it as like a good show to watch but I wasn't sure where to access it at the time, so I kind of just filed it away for later. Cut to like six months later, Ben and Turtles were yelling at me to eat vegetables, Kyr-kun-chan changed her icon to I think PP or Billkin or something, Nini mentioned PP and then a thousand messages in the clown server later ginnymoonbeam and I committed to watching ITSAY for the first time, which is probably a good thing because then Ben could warn me about doing one episode at a time.
Ben
Oh right, you were the one who was like, I'm tough I can watch more than one episode at a time. No.
Captain Hands
Wrong. Very wrong.
Ben
I'm glad you also finally joined us. Last but definitely not least, Turtles what about you? How did you come to ITSAY?
Turtles
Hey folks! Ben and Nini, thanks for having me, this is so awesome. All right, so, I guess what I'm the most well known on Tumblr for is the old GMMTV challenge project that I am blogging on. I came to BLs through Kinnporsche, at least Thai BLs through Kinnporsche, I was familiar with Japanese BLs for a couple years before that. I Told Sunset About You, in regards to it making it into the project — it was obviously going to be a natural part of the challenge syllabus, in terms of anybody picking up that syllabus and learning about Thai BLs in the first place. But the entire project, the watch list is community contributed, it’s 100% created by the community of Tumblr posters who love Thai BLs and who have lots of opinions about Thai BLs including this group here. It wasn't just through the solicitation of feedback on the OGMMTVC, uh, that I came to it, I certainly had seen I Told Sunset About You and I Promised You the Moon on many lists across Tumblr as, as an impactful BL. But in regards specifically to where it belonged by way of chronology, and by way of its cinematic impact, all of that feedback came through my soliciting the community on Tumblr for creating my syllabus that is teaching me about Thai BLs, and will hopefully get replicated in other people's journeys as well. So that's how I came to it.
Ben
I'm very excited by everybody's answers about how they came to this. I want to ask a quick follow-up question since — some of us have been here since the before time and the long long ago, and some of you got started like a year or two ago? Going in reverse order real quick: what is everybody's first BL that they remember? Turtles?
Turtles
The classic, the wonderful, the amazing, What Did You Eat Yesterday? Long story short, that was the first time I had ever discovered Tumblr as well — enjoyed that drama and I was absolutely insane for it for about two years solid.
Ben
Thank you for that. Captain Hands! What was your first BL?
Captain Hands
My friends were really obsessed with Word of Honor and showed it to me, so I got really into that, and that's how I found the, like, list of other BLs. If that does not count as a BL, then Kinnporsche was the first thing that I watched.
Ben
[laughs] Aiden, what about you? I'm actually really curious to hear your answer, because you and I have been around since the beginning.
Aiden
It depends on how you define BL, really. The first thing that I think could probably qualify would be the first Takumi-kun from Japan in 2007.
Ben
Unfortunately, that counts.
Aiden
Yeah [laughs]. Unfortunately indeed.
Ben
What about you, Mor? You said ITSAY was one of your first BLs. You have any others you watched before that? Or what was your other pathway into this?
Mor
2gether was one of the first ones, which is ironic because I hated 2gether. [laughs] I don't know why I finished watching it, I was just intrigued, so even though I kind of despised it for a lot of personal reasons — just wasn't for me — I enjoyed it enough that I wanted to keep watching. I wanted to find more.
Ben
I'm absolutely fascinated by how everybody came to this. It's KinnPorsche, 2gether, What Did You Eat Yesterday? and Aiden with some of the oldest stuff.
11:31 - Phuket as a Setting
Moving on to our next question! We're going to get into some setting stuff. What about Phuket as a setting stands out to you? I think I'm gonna have Mor answer this one first because they actually visited Phuket and some of the filming locations.
Mor
I certainly did, and I made a concentrated effort to take pictures, as some of you I think have seen, of the actual scenes in ITSAY, like the famous chip crawl deck, which was a journey to find. It was an incredible experience getting to visit Phuket. The setting of Phuket is unlike any other backdrop to a BL that I've ever seen. The landscape is really a character unto itself. I get a very similar but also sort of very rare sort of feeling when I watch ITSAY as I do when I'm watching, say, the train scene in Spirited Away. It's like looking at a natural environment that's been elevated to something almost magical just because of the way it's being shot or portrayed. 
I read once that Miyazaki's films almost make you homesick for a place you've never been, and that's how I felt about Phuket after watching ITSAY, to the point that it absolutely influenced my decision to go to Thailand and actually go there. And having been I can say it's just as lovely as they portray it to be — but I do know my attachment runs a lot deeper and is more personal than that, because Phuket to me will always be tied to Teh and Oh. 
The specific locations they chose, having now been there and walked around and seen it — it was so smart and it really enhanced the narrative while never overwhelming it or taking away from it. Like, I was very struck that the beach that the hammock scene takes place on… it's very wide, it's very open, and you would almost miss the hammock, because the way that the trees hang so low to the beach, it really sort of encapsulates the hammock? You have to actually climb under the branches. It really I think created this effect of Teh and Oh — they almost look cocooned in the darkness, in this otherwise very wide open environment. Maybe it felt a little safer because of that, to start saying what they had been feeling and skirting around. The wide shots of the beach chase scene… and obviously the beauty of Promthep Cape, and so many other moments. Phuket just… it did so much to enhance the intimacy of the scenes, and move this story along.
Ben
Apparently we're all going to have to go visit Phuket now. Turtles, when you were reacting to the series you were writing about some of the cultural crossover stuff. What do you have to say about Phuket as a setting?
Turtles
I've never been to Thailand, but I have spent a good portion of my entire childhood and adult life in Thailand's southern neighboring country of Malaysia — with my mother being Malaysian, my being part Malaysian — Phuket is an incredibly important locale for me to consider. Chinese migration from Fujian, from other locales in China, traveled in part down that Thai landscape to the Malaysian peninsula, and then ultimately settling all throughout Thailand, through Malaysia as I said, and ultimately into Singapore which has a majority Chinese population. 
A lot of what I learned about Phuket in part comes from my own Malaysian heritage, but also through conversations with other amazing Tumblr users including the very wonderful telomeke, who hails from the southeast Asian region himself. Phuket, Penang, Kuala Lumpur, these are towns that happened to receive more than their fair share of Chinese immigrants, that ended up in part creating a very unique culture that we call Peranakan culture: Chinese immigrants intermingling with ethnic residents of the areas in which they settled. Teh's mom is just a fabulous example of somebody that, that holds a lot of those influences all in one person: she wears Peranakan clothes, particularly when she's hosting events for the public at her Hokkien Mee stall.
Ben
Captain Hands, Aiden, do you want to say anything about Phuket?
Captain Hands
Phuket is a small town when compared to locations like Bangkok, which is where a lot of I Promised You the Moon is going to take place. I've been thinking that the small-town vibe works very well with how often it feels to me like Teh's entire world is ending whenever Oh, like, does something that like makes him jealous. Or like, if Teh's rejected or if he makes a mistake, like you can just feel in his body how much that impacts him, and it feels very small-town to me, to like to have these little moments be so big to him. 
There’s such a significant use of the Chinese language in this show, and for all the ways that like Chinese is used to tell us, like, what Teh is thinking and feeling, and for all the ways that like Teh is taking the time to try to teach Oh how to understand the language that Teh himself uses to express himself frequently — is a really poignant thing for me to pick up on considering Teh's own heritage, and like, his mother's heritage, and like the Chinese immigrant population that is a part of that community.
Ben
Turtles was talking about the cultural crossover that occurs in Phuket from all the various people migrating there. I'm from New Orleans which can jokingly be described as the northernmost Caribbean city, that has passed between French and Spanish control multiple times, and has now been occupied by Americans for one hundred and fifty years. So we have a very weird collection of cultures here as well — most evidenced in our architecture. And I think about that a lot when I reflect on Phuket — because I just rewatched it this week — it looks different from what we usually get in Bangkok.
Turtles
This show was so unbelievably layered by its visual cues, from a cultural interpretive perspective. Ben, as you pointed out to me, one of the friends, Phillip, he clearly comes from from a Islamic family, his parents are shown wearing a hijab and a songkok, and it's just very indicative of the the filmmakers giving us the indication that we're talking about… the mixing of cultures, assimilation and melting pot, all of the different words that we want to throw out there. 
As per your note about New Orleans, you know, as we say in Malaysia same same lah. It's very comparative to all of these indications that they were bringing up about Phuket. Thinking about Phuket as a tourist town as well, as compared to New Orleans, having just been to New Orleans myself, I think that there's just so much to, to pull out there by way of whether you make Phuket a permanent home or not. Teh and Oh clearly exist on the borderline of that permanence as they get closer to going to college.
Ben
There's something specific about growing up in a tourist town, like you can go visit tourist locations during peak tourist season as a way to avoid people you know. Because unless they're working the location, it's just strangers.
19:00 - Style and Genre
Ben
We're going to move to our next question here and get into some style questions. How does ITSAY play with genre and stylistic expectations? And specifically, are there any works that you recall while you were watching it? Aiden, you and I had talked a little bit about this.
Aiden
For myself when I was watching ITSAY, rather than paying attention to the source materials that ITSAY drew from, I found myself thinking back on shows that I'd seen since ITSAY aired and reevaluating them through the lens that had changed from my watching it. ITSAY clearly broke open a number of aspects that the Thai BL circuit specifically hadn't delved into until then, and expanded the genre as a result. 
My personal favorite impact is seeing shows set in rural locations, which were quite thin on the ground before that point, and have increased at least in visits if not fully set in more rural locations since then. Shows like Tale of a Thousand Stars, Cupid’s Last Wish, I Will Knock You, Remember Me, Moonlight Chicken. And it also, it showed grit and grime in a way that you really hadn't seen before that point in at least the BL genre. It was more common in media intended for queer audiences or art house type of content but the BL genre had always been very sanitized, very urban, very clean cut. Almost cartoonish and simplistic. And seeing something where you got to see buildings with marks on the walls that are from, you know, monsoon rain, stains, faded paint, chipped plaster, dirt on the ground, picture glass that had flecks on it, dust settled on things — that was a revelation, at least at the time. It really made things feel a lot more… settled and grounded and realistic. It felt like you could walk down the road and see these places, rather than it being a kind of constructed facade of where these shows are, that's an everyplace everywhere kind of generalization. And that followed with shows like Not Me, I Will Knock You again, Remember Me, that you got to see the grittiness, Not Me especially. 
The inclusion of religion, more Chinese cultural aspects, things like that that had largely been omitted from most shows until then, started becoming involved more in the day to day life that you got to see. Things like the talk Bart where you do the alms in the morning providing the food for the monks that go around traveling from home to home. 
We also started getting more slower paced shows like Nitiman, You're My Sky — which had heavy callbacks — Coffee Melody, My Only 12%. Shows with high concepts, stronger writing, better production value on a number of levels, like, ah, Bad Buddy, Triage, La Pluie, Kinnporsche. Also things with some of the more awkward side of queer life, which until then had very much not been present almost at all, outside of the more tragic kind of shows. Because again, it was that sanitized, sort of, ‘it has to be picture perfect, it has to be ideal’ kind of… nuance and vibe on the shows. And so we got things like Secret Crush on You, and I'll argue that I Will Knock You should fit there as well. 
The way that it's expanded the shows that have come after — and yes we do still have those sanitized, simplistic, clean, bubblegum sort of shows — very much enjoyable when you're in the mood for that sort of show, but we've also added things to give more breadth. Things like La Pluie, Step by Step, Moonlight Chicken, that make it a much more encompassing sort of genre, able to draw broader crowds that have differing interests as well. I am thrilled to see the change and be able to tie back now to how that was driven by ITSAY.
Ben
This is one of the reasons why I was really glad we finally got you to watch the show, because you've been in the genre as long or longer than me? And it was one of the shows that you had skipped for specific reasons when it first aired and I was curious how your long view of the genre would play into your reflections upon it. 
When I watched ITSAY, I ended up having a really intense reaction to the end of it — positively, as a result of some of the works that had come before. It's sometimes hard for me to connect ITSAY to other BLs that pre-date it, because those BLs are often heavily influenced by product placement and a slapstick version of humor that ITSAY is not relying on at all — it's an incredibly serious show about what it wants to cover. And that connected me back further to some of the German works I had watched growing up. Like Summer Storm, which is I think from 2004, there's a Dutch film called Boys from 2014, Big Eden from America in 2000 which uses its setting in the American hinterland really well. And I just had not seen this in Thai BL. 
The closest we came to something this grounded-feeling from Thailand was The Love of Siam, which they submitted to the Academy Awards in 2007. I actually had Turtles and Captain Hands watch that this week, so before I get into my very specific reactions to that, at the end of episode 5 of ITSAY, I kind of want to hear you two, and what you have to say about Love of Siam in relation to ITSAY before we move forward.
Captain Hands
You've said before that you felt like ITSAY is an apology for Love of Siam, and I fully agree. Two kids that are childhood friends separate for a number of years, come back together, the attraction between them is instantaneous and very obvious and kind of hard to ignore? And then having it end the way that it ends for Love of Siam, is, you know, it's a choice! I can understand and see why they would play it that way, but I agree with you, Ben, that it is, that this feels like an apology for what they did to us with Love of Siam.
Ben
Turtles, any commentary you want to give?
Turtles
Me not being Thai, not knowing Thai, having not visited Thailand — for a movie in 2007 to end with a successful same-sex relationship would have surprised me. So the film ending the way that it did was not surprising, and I found the journey to get to that point really poignant. That is a very deeply Turtles read, a very deep Asian read. Absolutely no surprise whatsoever that many BL filmmakers were influenced by this movie. And as far as ITSAY goes, is ITSAY an apology for Love of Siam? I can absolutely understand that verbiage, that's not a verbiage that I would necessarily jump to using. 
I could very well say that if ITSAY had ended without Teh and Oh getting together, I also would not have been surprised, especially with the way episodes 3 and 4 went. And now that I've seen Love of Siam I could feel stronger in that opinion. Now, as far as it making me feel good or satisfied with the story conclusion? That's, I think, you know that's, that's personal extrapolation there. But as far as the art itself goes I think Love of Siam communicated to me that I would not have been surprised if Teh and Oh didn't get together, if they had more personal, emotional, and also macrocultural wrangling that they needed to do. Love of Siam absolutely talks to ITSAY but I'm not sure that I would necessarily call it an apology.
Ben
Mor, do you have any commentary on genre history?
Mor
The really interesting, different thing that ITSAY did for me, as specifically a queer 30-something, a Westerner who's been in all sorts of extremely homophobic environments and, and different things throughout my life, and I've just gotten used to not having happily ever after. What I loved so much about BLs in the beginning was just, ‘oh man, we can have these light, bubbly, effervescent stories that get a happily ever after and it doesn't have to be complicated, it can just be sweet?’ And it was such a new concept for me, to see that. 
So, ITSAY ended up, like, with the ending that we got, it ended up being almost healing for me? As dramatic as that sounds. And that's really why, because it subverted it. You could tell going in, this is gonna be serious. This is gonna be hard-hitting. We're gonna be getting into deep stuff in terms of these queer kids figuring out who they are, and learning how they can be together, if they want to be together. So I was sort of expecting — because of my history and what I'm what I'm used to seeing — okay, well we're going serious, it's not a good chance this is gonna end well. So to see that — which frankly was a much more realistic portrayal of queer relationships than your typical sanitized BL — that is what took ITSAY for me to god-tier media, god-tier.
29:40 - Characters
Ben
Let's get into some of the character stuff. For all that they are incredible and great characters, why couldn't it be Bas or Tarn for Teh and Oh? Captain Hands! You're up first for this one.
Captain Hands
So the easy answer for me is that it just couldn't be? Like neither Teh or Oh really knows exactly when they developed feelings for each other, and they both try to have feelings for Tarn and Bas and they just can't make it work. Teh going to Tarn at 4 am and asking her to tell him that she loves him was, for me, like, ‘Oh I need to know what it feels like to hear this from her so I can know how it, how it feels… to hear it? And to know whether or not that feels good? If that feels something, like something I want to hear.’ 
For a more, you know, in-depth answer, because that's my whole shtick, right? There's a couple of things that I was thinking about, mostly the Chinese language element, the color element, and then just like Tarn and Bas as characters? One of the throughlines of ITSAY is that Teh frequently writes whatever his subconscious is fixating on over and over again in Chinese. Teh can't parse through the complexity of his emotions, but he can summarize them in like words, so like ‘rival’ or ‘intimate,’ and we know that there is much more behind what he's writing, than like what is actually being put down on paper? Because Oh's not good at Chinese, Teh spends so much of this show like painstakingly teaching Oh how to understand Chinese, and like how to understand him as a person and like his subconscious? So like once Oh starts to get it and get better at Chinese is when they really start to connect more intimately. If you think about the end of episode 3 with the sniffing scene, the buildup to that moment is Oh using the male/male protagonist question — like, how you say male protagonist in Chinese, how you say female protagonist in Chinese, is male-male okay? — is him asking if Teh is okay with them like potentially becoming a couple. 
And I know this is going to kill Ben to talk about the colors, but this is for the color girlies! Oh is red and Teh is blue and green, and something that I did notice on this watch through is like, Teh's home is filled with red, like the walls of the restaurant are red, his bedspread’s red, the couch, the clothing his mother wears is often red, and Oh's home is… very much blue and green, so like the sign for the Panwa resort is blue, the windows, all of the windows are framed in this kind of like, light green. These boys grew up in each other's colors. Their home is each other's colors. And so of course when they first meet, they're going to be drawn to one another because they remind each other of home. Tarn's color is purple, and so there are parts of Tarn that Teh is drawn to, but I see that as kind of being like the red parts of Tarn. 
Oh likes Bas because Bas kind of acts as a similar person in his life to Teh. In episode 2 Oh says that he likes Bas because Bas drives him around, but he won't confess because he doesn't know what Bas's feelings are for him, and he thinks that Bas likes girls and he doesn't want to lose him as a friend, when that is a direct parallel to Teh. And something that I started noticing on this watchthrough is that Bas picks up whatever color Teh is wearing, but he's often like a scene or an episode behind. So in episode 4 Teh’s wearing green at the beginning of like them going to the resort? And then Bas picks up the green when he shares a bed with Oh, and then by the time that Bas has picked up that green color, Teh and Oh are both in yellow, and so like they're now matching, and Bas is is behind the curve. 
From the perspective of just like, Tarn and Bas as characters, like they both value themselves enough to know when to let go, which I think is a very crucial part of their relationships with Teh and Oh? When Teh colors the hibiscus that Tarn draws red, she shuts that shit down like immediately and sends him home. And when Oh is quiet and sad on like the drive home, Bas knows immediately like why that is, and goes to Teh’s house. So like I really strongly believe that Oh ends up with Teh at the end because Bas gives him up? Oh would have kept fighting the urge to go to Teh, and like to comfort Teh and to support him, if Bas hadn't driven Oh to Teh's house and been like, ‘it's okay, it's fine, I understand.’ And, and given him that freedom.
Ben
I’m very fascinated to follow up on the thread about Tarn and Bas having more willingness to cut those boys off [laughs]. Anyone else have any commentary they want to talk about on Bas or Tarn? Oh please, Aiden, proceed.
Aiden
It just needs to be said that Bas is the best boy and Tarn is the best girl. Sorry, somebody had to say it.
Ben
Thank you, sir. So [laughs] I think Teh likes Tarn because she's as committed to her future as he is. She intentionally does not pursue a romance with him because she thinks it would get in the way of her pursuit of her art and architecture career. And Teh is super committed to his career as an actor. And I think that's probably why he liked her so much? This is a little bit of I Promised You the Moon slipping through. But like Captain Hands pointed out: because she's committed to what she wants for herself, she's not going to sacrifice a ton of her stuff for him the way Oh might, or that Teh might for Oh. 
And Bas… I've been thinking a lot about second lead stuff because of conversations with Shan. Bas doesn't confess until really late in the game? But so much has happened at that point, that Teh is going to be able to break past that because of the earlier promise. I agree that he is the best boy. But I think Oh likes the drama [laughs] that Teh brings to his life.
36:18 - Teh and Oh-aew’s Dynamic
Ben
On to our next question! The dynamic between Teh and Oh-aew is one of the primary draws of this story. What did you connect to in their dynamic or their story? Mor, you're up first.
Mor
I'm vibrating, can you tell? [laughs] So there is so much, I think, that could draw anyone into the story of ITSAY, because the glories and the pitfalls of first love, they have so much in common regardless of who you fall in love with. But I personally connected so deeply to their story, again, as a queer person, I know a lot of other people did as well. You can't help but painfully relate to both of them — at least that was my experience, especially my younger self — Teh having so many feelings that he spends so much time being incapable of processing or acknowledging, let alone communicating? And Oh being so long-suffering and hopeful and just pining with his whole self for this mess of a boy, who doesn't know what he wants or what he's doing. I mean not that Oh really does either; who knows what they want in a relationship when they're that young? And when you have feelings for your long-lost best friend that you just reunited with, it's very complicated. 
But there were just so many quintessentially queer experiences in ITSAY and in their dynamic that hit me right in my gay little heart. The tiny secret touches that mean so much, the affectionate friendly banter that all of a sudden is veering into flirting, or ‘are we flirting, like what's going on?’ and then the crippling doubt that sets in afterwards and how it can haunt you for days. This gut wrenching fear that these feelings you found yourself in can possibly affect your whole life: how your friends feel about you, whether or not your family accepts you. There's just so much that we have to consider, well beyond what our hetero peers typically have to deal with, and it's exciting and it's terrifying. It's not just incredibly validating, but like I mentioned earlier, it's healing in a way, to see such a frankly visceral experience portrayed with so much care and accuracy, as they did with giving us Teh and Oh's story, and their dynamic and how it progressed. I just feel like overall the stakes are so much higher for us? And often at so, so young and tender ages, to just explore who we are, to like and to fall in love with who we want to, and… their whole story for me, watching it unfold — this is very dramatic but it's true — for me, it felt like someone peering into my past looking at all these little hurts I forgot, these bigger ones that are still healing, and saying, ‘it was like this back then wasn't it? It was so hard. But there's so much beauty here, and you can have it too! It can be yours too. You can have this struggle, you can go through all of this, you can walk through the fire and emerge through the other side with this beautiful, beautiful thing, that maybe even is even more beautiful because of how much work and how much brokenness it took to get there.’
Ben
I'm so glad we got to let you get that out of your system, Mor. [laughs] Turtles or Aiden, do you have any commentary on Oh and Teh?
Aiden
For me the, the dynamic between Teh and Oh was very unique and… not something that I had necessarily dealt with, but the coming-out scene for Teh and Hoon resonated incredibly strongly for me. The dialogue from that scene matched almost word for word how I came out to my own brother? And the emotions, and the fear and the terror and the relief and the reassurance and the, you know, gentle teasing to lighten the mood… that felt so real. Mine had [laughs] rather less crying, at least in the moment, I definitely did later — but the text and the, the feeling of that scene just took me right back to that moment. And there's so much about this show that is authentic in a very specific way to different people's experiences.
Ben
Thank you Aiden. Turtles?
Turtles
For me, what Oh was able to get out of Teh, by way of what I called a drunken hormonal experience… just the way Billkin acted in his exploratory attraction towards Oh and how PP received it… how their physical interplay represented that budding romance, that budding attraction. The end of episode 2 on the boat particularly moved me, let alone the incredibly impactful endings of 3 and 4. I was surprised to sort of see Teh… melt, and go back and forth in his physicality at the end of that episode. Just the physicality of that exploration, and how the physicality itself then compared to and reflected on all the emotional processes that we saw between the two of them. I thought that that was so unique particularly about this show, and how unabashed it was to display such physical attraction developing between the two of them, particularly on Teh's end. That's something that I'll really take away from this show, that it displayed attraction, really really vibrating attraction, in such an impactful way.
Ben
Captain Hands, you have any commentary?
Captain Hands
Of course you know I do, I have commentary about everything all the time. So I think the thing that really drew me to Oh and Teh’s dynamic was the power of their feelings for one another, and like, especially the way that Oh acts as a magnet to Teh and like, the trance-like state that Oh kind of puts him in, so you get all these moments of Teh just kind of following after Oh, and like Oh being aware of that power that he holds? The sincerity of their characterizations and the commitment to their characters… I love this show so much for having Teh just constantly walk in circles. And how that will kind of translate into just the cyclical nature of his own personality, and like the experiences that he has, and the stuff that he puts himself through. The things he will continue to do as their relationship progresses. You can tell so much, like how comfortable these two are with each other, and how in love they have been with each other since they were kids, and that's another reason I think that they couldn't have really been with anybody else, is because they have all of this history between them? That is like so palpable, and like how much Teh wants to protect those memories, and like the feelings that he has when he's with Oh. The line that they say like, ‘don't give my time to others’ is so poignant. 
Seeing the way that Teh is continuously transformed by being around Oh, hating coconut at the beginning of the show and thinking that it smelled bad, and then like having that scene with Oh on the boat at the end of episode 2, and then immediately opening episode 3 with Teh just smashing a bit of coconut meat on his face as like hard as he can, because he just wants to be like as close to it as possible and like, how it doesn't smell bad anymore, and how it tastes good now because he's starting to have these feelings for Oh. And that has radically changed how he interacts with the world around him. It’s just like so good to me to watch being portrayed on screen, especially because Teh is not aware of his queerness in the way that that Oh is? And so like, Teh not knowing why he feels the way he feels, and then lashing out because he can't put a name to like, what it is that is causing the feelings that he has, it feels very, very in keeping with like, the queer experience as you are like, learning your own identity.
Ben
The thing with ITSAY — it's not just the things that it does that are familiar: with all the important touching, the knowing that exists between you, the dealing with the homophobia, the concern about how other people will perceive you, whether or not your parents can be proud of you if you are honest about this portion of yourself. What I think makes ITSAY so special as queer media, and why I lose my mind over it? It's about the fact that these two cannot hide how they feel from each other, at all. And as a result they are the most cry baby boys I have ever seen in all of queer cinema. I just rewatched it this week. These boys are crying constantly at and about each other. Every time any one of them says anything to the other, they make the other one cry over something. 
It's interesting because so much of the ‘are you are you not’ thing, when you're growing up, is about the uncertainty that the other boy is actually feeling it? And that never feels like it exists between them. Oh knew what he was feeling, but as soon as Teh starts to show interest in him, he picks up on it instantly, and eventually confronts Teh very directly about it. As Turtles pointed out, the way the intimacy between them is displayed so frankly. They spend all of episode 3 dancing around each other — we know where this is going! And then you get the back-scratching scene which leads into this arc about Teh dealing with the physical reality of Oh being a boy. Episode 4 has the underwater kiss. During the underwater kiss, Teh puts his hand on Oh's chest again, and Oh has a reaction to that, and you can see him immediately being hit with the uncertainty about Teh's attraction to girls — in the middle of the best kiss that has ever happened. And I don't think I noticed that in my earlier watches: even during this huge moment for them, they are still continuing the drama. There's a specificity to the way that these two feel queer, that I have noticed that every person who grew up with some of the Knowing, as I call it, feels so intensely about these two boys.
Mor
I'm nodding so hard over here I'm surprised I haven't lost my head at this point. Yes, yes, a thousand times yes to everything you said. The sheer magnetism of their connection, that's really one of my biggest takeaways from this show. Not only the authenticity, but just how much Billkin and PP's chemistry and their talent as actors, how they were able to really, ah, just make that experience that is so true, it's so true to my experience as a queer person who definitely had the Knowing from a very young age... and had a lot of of moments like that where it just felt like, ‘what, I think there's something here, you know it, I know it, I think we both know it’ — it's hard to put it into words, but they just captured it so beautifully, so brilliantly. It took me back. 
It was so accurate that it made me remember little moments, tiny little moments in my past that weren't so little in the moment, they were really big when I was, you know, ten, eleven, twelve, falling for a girl for the first time. That's part of what made it so special for me is how it really took me back to those times, and in a healing way.
Ben
Captain Hands.
Captain Hands
I was just thinking about, in the opposite sense of like, I did not at least acknowledge my queerness until I was in my early 20s? But like, definitely grew up feeling very different from people around me and like, lonely compared to people around me, for like reasons I could not explain at the time? And so like, seeing Teh have to go through and process his own queerness because it is not something that has occurred to him before, was something that I took so strongly to. I relate so hard right now in my life to the identity narratives, because it took me so long to kind of parse through what my identities are, and to like, get comfortable with them. And so seeing Teh’s kind of like, ‘can I even like boys?’ moments, that is something that was really fun for me to watch, again with like the circling, like he has no clue [laughs] what's going on in his life and he is just circling and circling and circling until he kind of comes to a point that he can connect to, and then he'll kind of run off in that direction.
50:07 - Why Do You Care So Much About ITSAY?
Ben
Final question for everyone: Why do you care so much about ITSAY? Aiden.
Aiden
I care about it because, for one it is authentic queer representation on a level that I had very rarely seen on screen — both in Thai media and and just in general. It's very true to life for a wide variety of queer people. But also I am passionate about it because of the way that it drove Thai media as a whole forward to a profound degree — but especially the QL genre. It showed unarguably that there was a market for high quality productions, and the industry reacted by broadening their offerings accordingly. Many of the Thai shows that I love most from the past couple of years clearly echo back to ITSAY in specific aspects, and there will be untold echoes that continue radiating forward from here, in a good way.
Ben
Thank you, Aiden. Captain Hands.
Captain Hands
ITSAY to me is a foundational queer show. Mostly because queer characters are allowed to be complex, three-dimensional and frustrating. If anybody from Tumblr is listening to this podcast, which I know you are, the for, by, and about queer thing is something that I've been looking at a lot as I've been watching more stuff, and this is very much all three, right? Because they're letting these characters make mistakes, and like hurt people that they care about in their quest to better understand themselves? They are allowed to be human, which is like a wild concept in a lot of the like earlier BL shows, it's part of why I don't like it personally when people say that ITSAY's not a BL, because like, why can't BL's be high quality with like, really good structure and story right? Like I don't think that it's fair to just be like, oh this doesn't count as a BL because of like the, the production itself. 
And I think that just the emotional, like honesty and vulnerability that the script and the actors like showed throughout this process, really struck deep in my experiences figuring out like my own identity? There's such a commitment to everything and everybody in the show that I really liked. Watching the documentaries. I just love how much of the emotionally safe space it felt like, seeing how often the director himself was crying watching these scenes? Or like, how they would kind of wind up these these crying scenes by like, I remember like, PP being rocked back and forth in a hug by the director in the position that he's going to be in when he hugs Bas crying at the end of, what is it, episode 4 or part of episode 5 when Bas is like, go comfort Teh? All of these moments that like really show that the cast and the crew support each other, and like trust in each other… there is so much time and effort put into this show, and that is part of why I like it so much, is like you can tell how much care every aspect of this show was given.
Ben
Thank you, Captain Hands. Turtles?
Turtles
ITSAY for me reaches an echelon that only a very few Thai BLs have done for me by way of really balancing out an homage, a love letter to the culture that, that it's celebrating, along with what Aiden and Captain Hands have said so far regarding queer representation, and just hit a really incredible artistic balance experimented with with cinematic form and this serialized kind of publication way. Captain Hands, to your point about the argument about if it's a BL or if it's not a BL, one thing that I've been considering quite a bit in conversations, particularly with neuroticbookworm, has been whether or not ITSAY would have been more successful as a movie. And I've thought more about it and I think that, while there may be an answer to that that's separate from what I will say here — which is that I think it was really groundbreaking that they took this incredible idea and artistic vision and put it in serialized form, and experimented with what had been concretely developed as a serialized BL genre, and played in that sandbox. 
So taking all of that together, taking all of those maybe slightly even risky decisions rooting this show in a particular voice of a culture that we hadn't seen highlighted quite in as explosive of a way as ITSAY being rooted in Phuket was, along with its gorgeous depiction of queer revelation, of queer realization. Just all of that combined into one pot of a show really blows me away. 
My watching experience of it — it took me out, I couldn't multitask, I had to take all of your guys' advice and watch one episode at a time, and no show has done that for me. And so that, that's what I'll take away from it. A unique experience, unlike anything else that I ever experienced watching a Thai BL.
Ben
Before I move to Mor, I just have to say: Absolutely not! This should not have been a movie! I have watched a lot of goddamn movies. We deserved all of the time [laughs] that ITSAY gave us on this story. It would have felt so rushed if they tried to force this shit into two goddamn hours! Yeah! No! No. [Ben bangs the table] There's the table slamming. [laughs]
Turtles
Bartender, get him another drink!
Ben
I have drank like three-quarters of a bottle of wine, so, I'm sorry.
Turtles
Get him some pasta. [laughs]
Ben
[laughs] All right, sorry. This is about you all, not about me. Bestie in Christ, Mor!
Mor
[laughs] That was fantastic, thank you. I was bangin’ my desk over here like yessss, preach, take me to church! I am here to receive.
Ben
Why do you care so much about ITSAY?
Mor
Ohhh boy. A core memory for me from the last couple of years is sitting shell-shocked, absolutely shell-shocked on my couch, silently weeping, watching the credits of ITSAY roll for the first time. Truly just unable to move for probably ten, fifteen minutes, just trying to absorb everything that I just witnessed? And all I could think was, ‘things are different now.’ Truly, that was my reaction to it, I mean, this show? It wasn't made to fulfill a trope. It wasn't made to fill a time slot. It was made to show the tender beautiful humanity that is at the core of all love stories, regardless of the gender of the person you fall in love with, and that's just not something that I can say for a lot of other BLs, or shows period? Not that they don't stand on their own two feet for all sorts of other reasons, but it's something that set ITSAY forever apart for me. Not only that that was clearly their goal, but in how beautifully they achieved it, how perfectly in my opinion they achieved it. 
It was so realistic to my experience as a queer person, but it's also a show that I would feel very comfortable showing to someone who had no experience with the BL genre. Because you don't have to have any. You don't have to have an appreciation for it. You just have to be a person. You just have to be a human who has lived through tough human things, and had relationships, to find so much value, so much to relate to. I don't know how you can watch ITSAY and not have it just reverberate with you on some personal level. Whenever I discuss it with people, just like we've been doing tonight, I'm hearing things that even being — practically a priestess of ITSAY I feel like at this point — even with that I'm hearing things that I hadn't thought of before. And I think that's beautiful, that a show can be so elevated, and done so well that people from all walks of life can come to it, and come away with things that are just so true and accurate to their experience, and you learn things by hearing it, you know, hearing from them. But yeah it was so realistic to my experience as a queer person, while also giving a happily ever after, which was beautiful but it was also very hard won, which made it even more beautiful for me. The characters are real, they are flawed, but they figure it out… gives hope for the rest of us. [laughs] It raised production values. It raised the bar on what a BL can be. 
We did touch on a little bit about people debating whether or not ITSAY is a BL and I just have to say, whenever I'm debating anything I go to the source. And it was I believe a Teen Vogue article that BKPP were interviewed for: they both referred to the show as a BL, so have the writers, so has the crew, and if they are comfortable with addressing it as that, so am I. 
And then on a more personal note, it introduced me to BKPP my beloveds, to some of my best online friends, it got me halfway around the world to Thailand. Overall, it's an artistic and technical triumph as much it is is queer storytelling at its finest, it did everything it needed to in all the ways that it mattered, it moved me, it continues to, in a way that not much media ever has. It's got my whole heart and I could probably find something new to marvel about, you know, forever. It's as complicated and as, as simple as that for me
Ben
Thank you, Mor. I have been watching queer cinema for a very long time. Part of why ITSAY is so important to me, is no other piece of media has so consistently generated such strong visceral reactions. There's so many great pieces that you can pull out for people that many of them haven't seen, but there's something about ITSAY, where if you are aware of it at all, if you even heard its name, you know something about it, and have an opinion about it, whether you've watched it or not. And I also feel so strongly about watching Thai queer people talk so frankly about how they also had the same sort of visceral experiences that the rest of us had. 
What also matters for me about this show is, like we've had some interesting moments in the west: like Moonlight, Call Me By Your Name, other queer movies that have released, and we keep waiting for their impact to hit the rest of us. We felt the impact of ITSAY within a year of it releasing? ITSAY immediately impacted Korea's willingness to participate in BL, despite how conservative their film industry is. Japan re-upped their efforts on the genre… and GMMTV responding to that! We felt it all throughout late ‘21 early ‘22. It is so rare that you can point to a work that genuinely changed the way an entire genre functioned? And also really rare that you can feel that impact in its time. 
And with that: thank you all for joining us on this first clown panel of The Conversation! If there's anything you want to say to the people before we go?
Turtles
I just want to say what an honor it was to be invited on this. I love loving BLs and I love loving BLs along with you all.
Ben
Captain Hands.
Captain Hands
Sorry if we weren't as funny as David.
Ben
[laughs] That's impossible. He's an unhinged 45-year-old gay man. Aiden?
Aiden
One last thought that came up: ITSAY has this level of radical compassion for every single character on the screen, and that helps the viewer to have compassion even if they may be homophobic or unfamiliar, it brings a level of love and care to those characters, in a way that we really don't get, and I have high hopes that it's something that's going to be repeated again as we move forward.
Ben
Mor, any other closing thoughts?
Mor
Oh man, I don't know, I'm just all caught up in the ITSAY wave of feels, as I, as I tend to do. This show has a unique way of shutting down my logical brain and just making me feel all the things, which is what good art should do, dammit, it really should. So, it's doing its job. 
Go watch ITSAY! If y'all are listening to this and you haven't, what are you doing? Come on.
Ben
It's been three years, if you haven't watched it since 2020, go watch it again. It holds up. It's still good.
1:04:08 - Outro
Ben
And we're back. Fun fact for all of you: Nini's setup went completely to shit while we were recording, so she had no idea what the hell we were talking about. For the entire recording we're having to text her updates so she doesn't close down the recording booth. So, Nini is now reacting from post, not from the panel. 
Nini
[laughs] Yeah, it was a very interesting experience editing the panel not having heard a word that you guys said, so it was all brand new to me. That is a very new experience for me. 
Ben
She edited out all of the “Nini can't stop me because she's not here.” [both laugh]
Nini
Oh god, no, but it was really delightful. I had a really good time. I had a really hard time editing the panel, but there's some things that you guys brought up that really sort of tickled my brain, and I wanted to get into them while I was talking to you in the afters. 
Captain Hands made some comments on why Teh teaching Oh Chinese, with Chinese being Teh’s comfort language of expression, why that matters, and how the translation scene on the side of Promthep Cape plays into that. I found that was really interesting because that is new thinking for me, after three years and countless rewatches of this show I didn't think that there could be something about it that I hadn't thought about, or that was new to me, but thinking about Chinese as Teh’s comfort language—as his main language of expression. That brought up a whole new set of things to me in their relationship.
Ben
I have a couple of friends locally whose parents have immigrated from Taiwan, and they talk about how they have probably like a kindergartener's understanding of the language sometimes, and I hadn't thought about how Teh wasn't learning Chinese for the first time—that he may have had some familiarity from growing up around his mom. That was a fresh thought that I had coming out of the panel.
Nini
It just adds a little bit more color to what exactly Teh was doing in that class, what he was doing tutoring Oh-aew. How hard he worked to make sure that Oh-aew could understand him, because Teh is not great at expression, but the few times that he manages to express himself very clearly to Oh-aew it is in Chinese. Using the Chinese flashcards on the boat, writing and rewriting words in Chinese in his notebook. That's how he's able to get his points across to Oh-aew, and he can only do that because he's taught Oh-aew how to understand him. I found that was a really good observation. 
You made an observation as well that I really enjoyed about tourist places as safe spaces when you are from a tourist place, that going to do tourist things actually gives you a certain amount of anonymity that you wouldn't normally get. 
Ben
Some of the normal spaces like cafes, malls, etc. are populated by people that you would run into, but, like, locals are not going on a swamp tour. And so, you can get away with things that you might not elsewhere. Like, I think about the fact that Promthep Cape is a really popular tourist location, and the fact that when they were actually filming that scene very kind tourists stayed out of the camera, but were like two meters sometimes away from the boys while they're recording one of the most pivotal scenes of the series. And that's kind of what it's like when you're in tourist places in your hometown. Like there's a bunch of strangers crowding around you, and it doesn't matter if they hear you say something because they don't know any of your people.
Nini
One thing that Aiden brought forward that I really wanted to delve into myself: Aiden talked about visual style and how ITSAY allowed things to look grungy, and things to look worn, and things to look old, and things to look a little bit dirty; and how that contrasted against the previous BL impulse for everything to be bright and clean and shiny. And one of the things that made me think about from my own experience, how upset—I don't know if ‘upset’ is the term—people tend to get from my home country when my home country is portrayed outside as anything other than bright and shiny and clean and modern. There's that whole pressure to look a certain way to the outside world, and that comes through in our media as well. 
So watching that impulse sort of come through in Thai media, and then being sort of broken by this particular production. I always like when I'm watching media from other places when I can see the points of connection between my culture and another culture, between my home and another person's home, that always makes me feel more grounded in the story, even though it's a culture and a place that might be 180 degrees away from me. You can still find those very human points of connection. I really enjoyed that. 
Here's one that I want to ask you. You talked towards the end of the panel about Oh and The Knowing, and you've brought up The Knowing over and over again recently, and it's something that I've really been sitting with as you've explained certain things in your life and certain things in queer life, and one of the things that struck me listening to the panel that I think hadn't struck me before is that Oh Knows. Oh has The Knowing, but Teh also knows about Oh because Teh has a complete lack of surprise when Oh tells him that he likes Bas. He doesn't even register it as, like, a surprising thing. So Teh also has a Knowing about Oh but not about himself. I found that a really interesting juxtaposition.
Ben
Teh is an actor who's masking all the time. I think he was probably a little bit surprised, but when Oh tells him that secret, Teh's only goal is to desperately reconnect with Oh. So, I don't think in that moment he cares about Oh being queer. Like, Teh’s so stupid. He's not like paying attention to that sort of stuff. He only cares about Oh not shoving him away at that moment. Like, it didn't really matter what that secret was because he was going to respond positively.
Nini
I get that, but as the time goes on, we don't see any reaction from Teh about it, which is not the reaction that I would expect a teenage boy to have.
Ben
[sighs] When it comes to Teh, he's always performing. It's possible that he already knew these things, but I get the sense that he compartmentalizes. Like, a big part of it for Teh was he doesn't want to talk about it. Because talking about it makes it real, and then he has to face the reality of it. Like, that's what happens after the underwater kiss scene is Oh wants to talk about it and Teh really, really doesn't want to talk about it. It's possible that he knew, but because he's been away from Oh and so repressed, it's not eating at him.
Nini
I'll sit with that.
Ben
Teh doesn't act like he knew, but it's very clear that Oh was important to him, and he had to rapidly come to terms with those feelings.
Nini
I think it's pretty clear that Teh didn't know about himself. It's pretty clear that his journey I Told Sunset About You is a journey of understanding things that he didn't know and understand about himself.
Ben
Part of why I like that so much of Teh's journey is unspoken is it allows it to be more universal because it lets the audience at large take from Teh what they need and project into him what they're bringing to the scene, and this works out really well for Oh a lot, too, because Oh does so much with just looking at Teh.
There's some really great dialogue in the translations of this show, but there's a phenomenal amount of amazing work done from what isn't said, and that is one of my favorite things about it.
Nini
I also agree that one of the great things about ITSAY is how much is done in the silences and it's so interesting that you talked about the silences being something that the audience can project whatever they want onto and that being part of ITSAY’s success, because it's also in a way so legible. 
Normally when there's space like that for the audience to project onto we get all kinds of wild shit, like I’m just gonna be real with you. But the silences and the way that these two boys acted were so legible that even though there was all this silence between them, for all this space for the audience to project into, they generally projected what I think the creators intended because the reads were largely consistent in terms of how people were taking it in and how they were reading things.
Ben
I do think so, but a big part of that is how simple ITSAY’s story is. It's a very straightforward coming of age story in a lot of ways. That's why it works! Everything about ITSAY is inherently familiar, and it feels like an experience that people can enjoy again a decade, two, three decades from now. It's one of those classics you can go back and look at and you can probably point at where other projects referred back to it. 
I feel like I Told Sunset About You is going to be one of those projects where the future of queer coming-of-age cinema is going to refer back to it as one of its seminal moments.
Nini
So all that said, if we had to write at this point… an ode to ITSAY as our closing remarks on this retrospective, what would be your ode?
Ben
ITSAY is the best show that has ever existed because it is called I Told Sunset About You. It sets up this huge drama about running to the cape together before sunset, and they make it to the cape at sunset. Oh has this incredible breakdown and just says “I don't care what we're going to be to each other, just please don't leave me again,” and Teh, upending decades of genre history and expectation, says, “If I can be anything, can I be your boyfriend?” and old wounds finally closed in my heart.
Nini
Well, that is an ode. I don't think I could be anywhere as poetic as you about it, but what I will say is that this story touched something very deep inside me. I can't imagine not having seen this. I can't imagine where I would be now if I hadn't seen this. It changed things for me in a lot of ways, and that's one of my highest praises for media. If you change things for me, if you make me look at things differently, you've won. So, that's my ode to ITSAY: you won.
And with that we're gonna wrap this one up. Our next episode will be our Last Twilight in Phuket discussion. Ben and I are going to sit down and jaw about that a little bit, and then we will be introducing a fresh new panel and talking about I Promised You the Moon.
So look out for that. We out. Say bye to the people, Ben.
Ben
Peace.
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I drew my MPOC Hayal, Sku's sona, Dy's Will and Nini's Aiden go to a crazy roadtrip together!🚗🥞
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This is my first drabble day and i’m so excited 😭Could I request Jinhae calling Kins during the first week of being moved out and asking his Nini for a sleepover? 🥹
Kinsley sighed contentedly as Mason rolled off of her, their early morning love making session leaving her completely sated.
"Fuck, that was amazing," Mason sighed, flopping back against his pillow. "We haven't been able to do that in forever, at least not since Jinhae came along."
"Right?" Kinsley muttered. "Even once we were done having babies, we still ended up with one in the house that we had to be quiet for."
"And now, we're almost empty nesters," Mason smirked. "Aiden's 16 and gone all the time because of basketball. We have two kids married, each with families of their own and the third kid has finally moved out. I'm so close to having you all to myself again."
"I don't know if my pussy could handle that," Kinsley giggled, making Mason laugh as well. Before he could respond though, Kinsey's phone started to ring on the bedside table.
"Kins," Mason whined when he saw her reaching for it.
"It could be important," she huffed as she looked at the incoming FaceTime call. "See look, it's Brook. Hello?"
"NiNi," Jinhae's little pout appeared on the screen.
"Jinhae," Kinsley grinned. "Hi baby. What's the matter?"
"I don't like this house," Jinhae muttered, his pouting deepening even more. "I miss NiNi and Poppy's house."
"Well, we miss you too baby but it's gonna take some time for you to like your new house," Kinsley explained gently. "And don't you like Daddy being there all the time now?"
"Yeah," Jinhae nodded. "Daddy reads to me every night now."
"See?" Kinsley smiled.
"I still miss you NiNi," he continued. "Can I come to sleep at your house? With you, in the big bed?"
"Of course you can baby," Kinsley agreed instantly. "I'll talk to mommy and tell her to bring you on Saturday, ok? That's only one sleepy away."
"Ok NiNi," Jinhae nodded. Just then, Kinsley heard her daughter's voice in the background.
"Jinnie? Where are you?" She called out. "And where's my phone?"
"Uh oh, I have to hang up before mommy comes!" Jinhae gasped. "Bye NiNi! Love you!"
"I love you more baby," Kinsley giggled before hanging up the call. She felt her eyes getting a little misty and when she looked over to her husband, Mason was just smirking knowingly at her. "Not a word."
"Crying because your grandson called and said he wanted to stay the night with you," Mason chuckled. "You know, you're turning into your father." Kinsley grabbed a pillow then and whacked Mason in the face with it, hard.
"Take that back!" She screamed.
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myocstm · 1 year
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Side Characters
Aiden- Mom
Alex- Parents (dead)
Amelia- Lilou Ramure (mom), Arthur Ramure (dad)
Amina- Jason Pashmina (brother)
Atlas- dead son
Bambi- Nikano Galahrae (dad)
Cal- Kiki Grey (sister), Rehela Rothman (bff), Miguel Bosquez (bff), Nini (Grandma), Eric Grey (dad), Valori Grey (mom)
Cecil- Foster mom
Darwin- Baxter (Dog), Jessica (ex gf), Parker (manager)
Devin- Xander (dead bf), Jackson Larimore (dead brother), Parents (dead)
Eiraden- Eremiel (Father), Ardan (Dead Mother), Shar (Kidnapper/Evil God)
Esta- Friends from before
Fenren- Human Parents
Frog- Comatosed wife
Jamie- Parents
Jasper- Girlfriend
Jee-Jah- Queen Hecaina
Jeremy- Girlfriend
Kabuto- Parents, Eiko (Cat), Charles (dog)
Ki- Boyfriend
Koroit- Morella (Patron)
Laz- Two marine biologist parents
Lilith- Aunt Linda, Trevor (Fiance)
Lin- Witch "caretaker"
Mags- Ramsey Lothaire (bio-Father), Thalia Lothaire (bio-Mother)
Margrette- Unknown Father, Lilith Devita (Dead Mother), Gilda Devita (Grandmother)
Noel- Bijou Roux (Grandma), Esprit Roux (Grandpa), Elroy Roux (Dad), Lorena Roux (Mom)
Orabelle- Father (Possibly Markus), Claude (Classmate), Kathrine (Bully), Curtice Louis (Classmate), Mikel (Classmate), Jenn (Bully), Charlie (Classmate), Jane (Classmate), Pablo (Teacher), Billy(Classmate), Scarlett(Bully), Tigre (Villain), Leo (Villain Henchman), Jim Morrison (Citizan)
Pom- Golden retriever man (adopted dad)
Reagan- Lyla (dead gf), Old biker gang
Rian- Leroy (brother), dead parents, brother's friends
Ru- Older brother (dead), Parents, boss, coworkers
Rylan- Mother
Tiger- dead gf
Tyler- two sisters in new hampshire, parents in florida
Uriel- Kathrine White (mom), Monty White (dad)
Vincent- two lizards
Wani- Cyan (friend), grandmother, Isinan (younger sister), Lucu (bird), Satia Nyumput (Bff/fiancé, No romantic feelings), mother (Assumed dead), Tenang (friend), Jangkirk (boss),
Yvette- Pirate Father
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frenchenby · 3 years
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Bonjour !
Ceci est le second compte de @nini-aiden-jesse
Étant donné que je suis français.e, je posterai uniquement du contenu français (et je peux éventuellement vous donner quelques tips pour apprendre la langue française)
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Do you have a favorite character between Spice and Cinnamon?
If so
Why? :3
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I would have to say Cinnamon because I've actively roleplayed as him. I've followed his development for many years and now he's become a character that is very close to my heart. Spice on the other hand is a more recent concept.
You might expect it to be the same for me since Spice is just his genderbend instead of a completely new character. If it's simply "Cinnamon as a woman" then yeah, sure. The Spice that you know, though, lives in her own world with other genderbends separate to his own. While there may not be that much change, certain events leading up to the present either didn't happen or didn't play out in the same way (some more important than others). That means that their difference in experiences helped alter their mentality differently and, in turn, further sperated their behavior.
Despite knowing the change in some things, I have not necessarily roleplayed as her. It's harder to get a feel of how her character is currently supposed to be like when I don't exactly know how these events and the interactions with other characters (they're not all exactly the same either) have played a role in shaping her. They could be much more damaging or not as big of a deal then I have guessed them to be.
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forbescaroline · 2 years
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send me two characters or ships and i’ll make a gifset of the one i prefer!
below are a list of shows/characters/ships i would like to gif! (looking to gif things i’ve never gifed before or only gifed once)
atypical - casey, izzie, casey/evan, sam/paige
bridgerton - daphne, eloise, penelope, daphne/simon, colin/penelope
dickinson - emily, emily/sue, emily/ben
druck - fatou, nora, kieu my, cash queens, fatou/kieu my, nora/josh
elite - rebeka, nadia, lu, mencia, rebeka/mencia, polo/cayetana/valerio
euphoria - jules, maddy, kat, rue, lexi
ginny and georiga - ginny, max, max/sophie, ginny/marcus, joe/georgia
good trouble - callie/jamie, mariana/raj, callie/gael, malika/isaac, alice/sumi, evan/mariana 
grey’s anatomy - amelia, jo, addison, link/amelia, tom/teddy, meredith/nick, amelia/kai, levi/nico
hsmtmts - gina, nini, ashlyn, ej/gina, ricky/gina, carlos/seb
julie and the phantoms - julie, luke/julie, alex/willie
legacies - josie/finch, josie/landon, lizzie/sebastian, lizzie/ethan, kaleb/cleo, josie/rafael
legends of tomorrow - zari (both of them), ava, astra, spooner, constantine/zari, nate/zari, astra/spooner
outer banks - sarah, kiara, sarah/kira, jj/kira, jj/pope
schitt’s creek - alexis, david/patrick, alexis/ted, alexis/mutt
sex education - maeve, aimee, ruby, otis/maeve, otis/ruby, eric/adam, ola/lily, jackson/cal
skam espana - amira, viri, eva, nora, dani/amira, viri/hugo, eva/jorge
skam france - lola, lola/maya, tiff/max, bilal/jo
skins - naomi, pandora, freddie/effy
supergirl - brainy/nia, james/lena, j’onn/m’gann, alex/kelly
teen wolf - erica, isaac, stiles, scott, boyd/erica, corey/mason, liam/hayden, scott/malia, stiles/malia
the 100 - octavia/levitt, jasper/maya, finn/clarke, kane/abby, raven/shaw
the fosters - aj/callie, wyatt/callie, jesus/lexi, brandon/grace, jude/noah
the oc - summer, taylor, seth/anna, marissa/alex
the originals - freya, cami, marcel/rebekah, jackson/hayley, josh/aiden
the secret circle - cassie, melissa, adam/diana, adam/cassie, jake/cassie, diana/cassie, faye/cassie, diana/melissa
the sex lives of college girls - leighton, bela, leighton/alicia, whitney/canaan, eric/bela
the society - allie, elle, kelly, harry/allie, sam/grizz, helena/luke
the vampire diaries - bonnie/enzo, tyler/caroline, tyler/liv, stefan/rebekah
the wilds - dot, fatin, shelby, toni, nora, martha, rachel, leah, toni/shelby, dot/shelby, rachel/nora, toni/martha, fatin/leah, dot/fatin
yellowjackets - shauna, taissa, natalie, jackie, jackie/shauna, travis/natalie, taissa/van
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🥺 UwU
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cherryredbunny · 3 years
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Requested by: @nini-aiden
I was requested to draw them as if they were in Haikyuu!!
Before you ask, I thought they would be in Date Tech so-
HERE YOU GO!!! SORRY IT TOOK SO LONG
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dujourmeans · 4 years
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okay. we're gonna call this a ... rapidfire family request aka: me fitting in the request of siblings of a few different of my character's families. if interested in any of the slots open below, you can either reply here, shoot me a dm or send a message to me on discord @ britt#4980!
the im family ,
tl;dr information: born and raised in orlando. a pretty normal, albeit a bit boring, upper middle class family from the #suburbs. that’s ... basically it. the only requirement here is that all of their first name’s start with ‘r’! siblings would all be korean.  first im / 29+ / male / open first im / 27+ / female / open roxanne im / 25 / female / taken by britt rosalie im / 21 / female / taken by piper first im / 18+ / female / open
the kan family ,
tl;dr information: born and raised in orlando. a very catholic third generation korean american family. all the kids were homeschooled up through around 2009 before they transferred to #private catholic school life and, later, public high school. the parents are extremely loving, but very ... sheltering and the perfect example of why people are still running on multiple stereotypes linked to catholic upbringing. gideon has been regarded as something of a hellion within the family for awhile now so all of the other siblings would either have to be relatively “traditional” in their actions, or really good at hiding how they really are. all siblings would be korean. 
first kan / 26+ / male / open
first kan / 24+ / female / open
first kan / 21+ / female / taken by nini
gideon kan / 19 / male / taken by britt [twin]
first kan / 19 / female / open [twin]
the knight family ,
tl;dr information: born and raised in los angeles, california. the two children of amy knight - a super nice lady who’s always had really shit luck in her love life. had aiden barely out of high school with a loser ex-boyfriend who ran out on her, and had her youngest via a one night stand that she never heard from again. they grew up upper lower last, but comfortable and happy enough thanks largely in part to the high amount of effort that amy put into literally putting food on the table. now owns a pretty famous diner in the general hollywood area. aiden thinks that his dad is leif garrett, and his sister def makes fun of him for that. would be at least half-white.
first knight / 20 - 22 / female / open
the lee family ,
tl;dr information: hailing from seoul, south korea. all of the siblings were born in the city with the possible exception of the youngest one. dad was the heir of a mega popular beauty line originally based in korea, mom's family has ties with a major entertainment company (also in korea). moved to orlando in 1999 when the beauty company started a small branch in the area to help expand their products to a western market. the kids grew up in a very stereotypical rich ass background: all of them were born with silver spoons in their mouths and their trust funds showcase that even further. they were mostly raised by nannies and butlers until they moved overseas and both the parents started trying to be a little more hands on with them. dad passed away in a car accident in early 2018, and mom has been a bit of a lost ever since. all siblings would be korean and have both korean and english names - they can be by either.
first lee / 29+ / male / open [note: dad's job was passed down to him after his passing.]
jasmine lee / 27+ / female / taken by joy
seungwoo lee / 25 / male / taken by britt
first lee / 24 / male / open
first lee / 19 - 20 / open gender / open
the mooney family ,
tl;dr information: born and raised in orlando. forsyth "goose" mooney and his three children born out of wedlock. each of them have different mothers and an ... interesting backstory surrounding how they were conceived. minus boone, who stayed with goose while his mom was traveling around the world competing in the mechanical bull circuit, the others lived with their mom's while growing up with goose usually getting them on the weekends and some holidays. goose is a self-proclaimed "alligator casanova" type who settled down and married boone's mom two years back. he's also the owner of a super sketchy water park named after himself: goose's world. the kid involved in the one slot open would have to be at least half-white. 
first mooney / 24+ / male / boone’s first kid / open
first mooney / 23+ / female / boone’s second kid / taken by millie
boone mooney / 22 / male / boone’s third kid / taken by britt
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¿Fankid Masterlist?
This list is in the order of when we see the Adults / Region! (Exceptions are those who are married in!)
Ash Weiss (née Ketchum) & Paul Weiss
Cesaire Weiss
Tatianna Weiss
Niklaus Weiss
Gary Oak
Torrance Oak
Cassandra Oak
May Daisy Weiss (née Oak) & Reggie Weiss
Rafael Weiss
Jordan Weiss *
Joseph Weiss *
Elaine Weiss
Misty Starlight (née Ward) & Brock Harrison
Summer Harrison
Micah Harrison *
Damon Harrison *
Misty Starlight (née Ward) & Tracey Sketchit
Ariel Sketchit
Misty Starlight (née Ward) & Lana Starlight
Shiera Starlight
Anne Joy Harrison & Brock Harrison
Alyse Joy Harrison
Violet Matin (née Ward) & Rudy Matin
Lydia Matin
Braeden Matin
Jessica Radcliffe (née Steele) & James Radcliffe II
James Domeric Radcliffe III
Myriana Radcliffe II
Lya Radcliffe
Rosaline Radcliffe
Isaiah Radcliffe
Lyra Hudson (née Gilbert) & Khoury Hudson
Ryan Hudson
Silver De Vitis
Lucia Waters
Kinvara Otherys (née Fiorell) & Lancelot Otherys
Aungelize Otherys
May Hayden (née Rockwell) & Andrew Hayden
Roxanne Hayden
Valerie Hayden
Ethan Hayden *
Aiden Hayden *
Marie Hayden
Solidad Hayden
Harley Sloan
Ava Sloan
Javen Riley Sloan
(Louis-Isabelle Valteuil (née Valois-Alençion) & Maximilien Valteuil) + Archibald Valteuil
Rosalva Valeriana Valteuil
Dawn Sullivan (née Dubois-Hayes) & Conway Sullivan
Damien Sullivan
Dawn Sullivan (née Dubois-Hayes) & Kenny Sullivan (née Barnes)
Davina Sullivan
Zoey Toniko & Candice Alcala
Spinner Toniko
Ursula Bennett (née LaMarche) & Barry Bennett
Jet Bennett
Volkner Roberts & Flint Roberts
Olivia Roberts *
Arlene Roberts *
Blue Roberts *
Alder Macawi + {Cynthia Ysabelle Dalliencourt (née Florent) & Lucian Dalliencourt}
Malinalli Dalliencourt *
Carmella Dalliencourt *
Iris Maria-Griffith (née Maria-.Oyáwálé) & Cilan Griffith
Harper Maria-Griffith
Sage Maria-Griffith
Georgia Clarkson-Juniper & Chili Griffith
Jeremy Clarkson-Griffith ^
Georgia Clarkson-Juniper & Trip Natale
Annabelle Natale Clarkson-Griffith ^
Georgia Clarkson-Juniper & Cedric Juniper
Isabella Juniper Clarkson-Griffith ^
Burgundy Natale (née Redwood) & Trip Natale
K. C. Natale
Sterling Natale
Bianca Sternn (née Kirk) & Stephan Sternn
Zoë Sternn *
Zig Sternn *
Draco Sternn
Xavier Sternn
Cameron O’Connell
Fiona O’Connell
Serena Robertson (née Mitchell) & Shauna Robertson
Elena Robertson
Abigale Robertson
Adam Robertson *
Matthew Robertson *
Serena Robertson (née Mitchell) & Tierno Vanchure + Trevor Vanchure (née Martin)
Theodore Vanchure
Tomasz Vanchure
Lilia Valmont (née Altamirano) & Clemont Valmont
Marisol Valmont
Ariana Sinclair & Miette Sinclair (née Shane)
Eva Sinclair
Heather Sinclair
Nini Etienne
Dulce Etienne
Alexa Rocha (née Lapeyre) & Alain Rocha
Amelie Rocha
Viola Charpentier (née Lapeyre) & Grant Charpentier
Carina Charpentier
Mairin Argent (née Leygood) & Jimmy Argent
Victoria Argent
Nadia Argent
Olympia de la Lunarya & Vickaria Nymeron
Skylair Nymeron de la Lunarya *
Steván Nymeron de la Lunarya *
[*] Means this child was a pair, or a triplet depending on the family!
- Misty has complicated relationships ok.... don’t kill me.
- Louis-Isabelle and Maxie were MARRIED before she died on Rosalva’s birthing bed. Maxie later MARRIED Archie.
- Dawn and Conway were MARRIED before she had an affair with KENNY and Conway later {TOPPED} Kenny and they all began a polyamorous relationship. They are IN LOVE. There is no drama.
- Cynthia and Lucian WERE in a relationship but he was ABUSIVE and she LEFT with the twins. Alder LOVES her and her daughters he is a good step father don’t @ me.
[^] These children are being taken care of by CHILI! He is the biological father of Jeremy. He is the adoptive father of Annabelle and Isabella. TRIP AND CEDRIC DO NOT KNOW THEY EXIST.
- Yes Georgia married Cedric, Aurea wasn’t happy, especially since she lived with her dad and then one day realized that he was dating a woman younger than his own damn daughter.
- Serena is in a polygamous relationship with Shauna AND Tierno, Tierno is in a polygamous relationship with SERENA and TREVOR.
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Aiden curled up against North on the couch, resting his head lazily against the blonde's shoulder as his hand rested on his chest. They had a warm blanket drapped around them and were watching movies together. Aiden was peaceful with a soft smile and leaned his head up to give North a gentle kiss. (@aiden-marks-ocrp)
North would pull Aiden close, kissing him with a smile. he was shirtless, since Nini was finally asleep. He smiles as he continues to watch, holding onto Aiden with a seductive smile. @aiden-marks-ocrp
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Adult Aiden would still tease his dad BUT the jealousy runs strong with little Jinhae and Myungie! If you think Aiden was bad, or even Mason was bad, you have not met Kim Myung, II. This little boy as well as Choi Jinhae do not play when it comes to the Nini and will definitely put hands on you if you touch her. Anyone and everyone is free game. And that goes for when Junior touches Nini or Mason, or even uncle Aiden touches Nini. The jealousy treat runs strong with the Kim boys.
Oh, the grand babies do NOT play about their NiNi! Especially Jinhae and Myungie 😭those two are always stealing kins away 🤣
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September Quotes (this is long, sorry)
“Be my makeshift ring so I don’t feel empty.” Alli, 9.1.17
“Only true friends hold balls together.” Olivia, 9.1.17
“Some kid with spaghetti noodle legs!” Roderick, 9.1.17
“Can you believe that I can’t see unless I have a bent piece of glass or whatever in front of my eyes?” Me, 9.2.17
“Happy University!” Dad, 9.2.17
“Can’t you take a joke?” “I am a joke.” Talia and Aaron, 9.3.17
“And I just rubbed [poison ivy] up and down my leg for like a minute to see if I would die.” Aaron, 9.3.17
“I’m stuck. Oh, no, I’m stupid.” Aaron, 9.4.17
“Two donuts can give you diabetes!” Olivia, 9.4.17
“Is that an ‘e’ after the ‘s’? That’s not how you spell ‘Thursday’.” Talia, 9.5.17
“I read it on a plane talking to a really gay flight attendant!” Lydia, 9.5.17
“You can’t discriminate based on something you can’t change, like race.” I think that’s the 15th amendment.” Convo between 2 guys, 9.6.17
“I hate everyone, you hate everyone, let’s hate everyone together at homecoming.” ???, 9.6.17
“What kind of white hell...?” Nini, 9.6.17
“Oh my gosh! See what you done did?” Madison, 9.7.17
“He’s fucked. That’t it. He’s fucked.” Ryan, 9.7.17
“So instead of two more lives, there would be negative one.” Talia, 9.8.17
“That’s not vegan, but you’re vegan!” ???, 9.8.17
“When I put those in my hair it looks like a saggy tit.” Talia, 9.9.17
“From this point on, we are under 12.” Me, 9.9.17 (I’m not 12)
“This whole thing could come crashing down with one kick of this pole.” Aaron, 9.9.17
“Can you close the door? Bitch, please?”  Me, 9.10.17
“Livin’ life like Buster.” Isabelle, 9.11.17
“I didn’t know this song was like 70 fuckin minutes long.” Nini, 9.11.17
“Or like the tears of the working class.” Aiden, 9.11.17
“That was a THROW, not a toss!” Mr McDonald, 9.12.17
“I just need.... sleep.” Talia, 9.12.17
“Get braces! You look like an alligator!” ???, 9.12.17
“We’re gonna talk about John Dalton for the last five and a half minutes of our lives. Wait...” Mr. Jordan, 9.12.17
“Until they’re 80 and then they’re dead.” Spencer, 9.13.17
“I’ll pledge allegiance to the flag when they pledge allegiance to me.” Charlotte, 9.13.17
“I’m gonna lose this game for us because I’m fRICKIN ANNOYED!” Kaleb, 9.13.17
“Congrats, you’ve achieved Dad levels.” Olivia, 9.14.17
“Your pupils expand when you’re looking at something you love. Benedict, look at me!” Me, 9.14.17
“Talia, have come Cheerihos!” “Only if they’re Honey N U T.” Me and Talia, 9.15.17
“The spaces between lockers are for pregnancies and depression.” ???, 9.15.17
“How do I do enter?” Talia, 9.16.17
“Look at this challigraphy pen-fuck.” Me, 9.16.17
“Tomorrow is Monday morning.” “Fuck.” Me and Mom, 9.17.17
“You need them, but they’re so expensive!” Jonathan, 9.17.17
“Maybe if I think hard enough, I can will myself to die.” Me, 9.17.17
“You look like a piñata. A really fat piñata.” Talia, 9.17.17
“Can you not? I’m trying to ask her a question.” ???, 9.18.17
“Fricking elf boy.”  Talia, 9.18.17
“Did she just say ‘please’?” Justin, 9.19.17
“The gentle caress of my hands.” ???, 9.19.17
“I’m sorry, but these hips don’t lie. Booty be poppin’.” Trent, 9.19.17
“Last time I heard that, a building blew up.” ???, 9.19.17
“No one buys a twelve chamber bong to smoke tobacco.” Talen, 9.20.17
“What a cool way to go. Death by flies.” ???, 9.20,17
“Don’t touch my face! You’re gonna take off my foundation!” Katie, 9.21.17
“I saw him and was like crap he’s not heterosexual and then he messaged me and I was like yes.” Tristen, 9.21.17
“I’ve had naps longer than the sleep I got last night.” Andrew, 9.22.17
“I got exactly five minutes of sleep.” “Uh huh.” Talia and Melina, 9.22.17
Hell fucking yeah! Shove a dick up my ass!" Talia, 9.23.17
"Yeah, Zoe. It's 8:46, lemme go get some shut eye." Talia, 9.23.17
"TURBO BOIL!!" Me, 9.24.17
"I'm tired and I want to die." Ava, 9.25.17
"I laugh when something's funny, and I don't laugh when it's not funny." Andrew, 9.25.17
"Nah, she's one heck of a woman." Spencer, 9.26.17
"Don't get in the oven." Chris, 9.26.17
"I have shared parenting!" ???, 9.27.17
"Barbecue chips, my butthole!" Isabelle, 9.27.17
"I'm getting hype! I just need to go to bed." Rose, 9.27.17
"There are at least 3 c's of French fries." Aiden, 9.28.17
"Guess who's pumped and ready to die!" Me, 9.28.17
"I wanna be a boneless chicken!" Olivia, 9.29.17
"Can't charge me for two feet if they're only doing one." Tristen, 9.29.17 (she has a prosthetic leg)
"Give me liberty and give me death." Me, 9.30.17
"It's a party now." Alli, 9.30.17
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