#ninth house genocide

[liesmyth]

My theory on the ninth house fertility issue is also that, while the neurotoxic *only* killed children it also rendered a portion the house infertile. Since we know the aunts who applied it went blind

Could be that even though it just got pumped in the childrens sections, there was still some leakage into the nearby barracks and caused some lasting internal issues

I LOVE THIS IDEA thank u. tagging @theriverbeyond so they can see me using the phrase "reverend cummies" again. As in, that one moment of reverend cummies made so that the whole House would shoot blanks forever :(

#Anonymous #creche genocide #the ninth house #anon #elle tlt posting #tlt

[saltcherry]

cannot for the life of me discover the point that Muir is trying to make with

a. the eugenicist policies of the Houses re: breeding for necromantic aptitude, maximizing genetic diversity, etc.

b. the innate physical weakness that necromantic aptitude causes.

c. the presumed/implied genetic incompatibility between the resurrected/their descendants/“thanergy” planet births and the conquered/independent peoples on “thalergy” planets.

d. the mutation of life-forms on “flipped” planets.

What is the relation between all these things, both lore-wise and thematically?? I cannot tell!!

#rereading Gideon the Ninth and thinking about it #this doesn't even get into the House concepts of bloodline! #the corruption of nature and the corruption of the human are tied together but I don't know enough to figure out why #the locked tomb #something about the work of empire on the 'natural' world #something about removing the conditions that enable reproduction from the conquered population #people being on their third or fourth resettlement #slow genocides the removal of homeland literally removing the capacity for children #the mirrored problem of even the House populations having these serious reproductive problems #the preoccupation of empire with birthrates

[sgrumby]

I'm coming round on the "Kiriona is Gideon after a Real Bad Day" stuff but. Why did Tamsyn go to such extents to show us how much Gideon hates God and Ianthe at the end of Harrow if she's just gonna undo it next time. It seems bizarre. Gideon is ready to die - and kill Harrow's body at the same time! - rather than swear fealty to him.

#god HAS to have done something #im convinced he fucked with her soul a little #i super don't buy that Kiriona is the gideon we know and love but from an outside pov. #ianthe is ready to commit genocide on the sixth to prevent god finding out about Cassiopeia's betrayal and #we're meant to believe gideon would've gone along with that? worn her friendship bracelet while ianthe massacred cam and pal's House? #nona the ninth spoilers

[skullfacedfruitcakee]

Harrow is the queen of the goths

I bow to this bitch

#all hail lady harrowhark nonagesimus the reverend daughter of the house of the ninth #genocide baby #the locked tomb #tlt #gideon the ninth #nona the ninth spoilers #harrowhark nonagesimus #gtn

[jiatism]

THE 10 STAGES OF GENOCIDE, AND HOW FAR PALESTINE IS ALONG WITH THEM

This will be using the UN's ten stages of genocide map (as seen above) as a base for each stage.

So far, palestine is within its ninth stage of genocide.

*although I do not believe isreal is a real or valid country, this will be referring to its citizens as "isrealis"

First Stage: Classification.

This stage is about us and them narratives. In the Holocaust it was Jewish vs Germans, in this it is Palestinians vs israelis.

The ‘us vs them’ narrative has been drilled into young israelis' minds for decades and has only gotten worse.

Second Stage: Symbolism

I do not believe there are any symbols to tell an israel apart from a Palestinian person.

Most of the time it is based off their religion, however not all Palestinians are Muslim nor are all israel Jewish.

Instead of symbols, they segregate.

Third Stage: Discrimination

This stage is about taking things away from their target group. israel has taken away their housing, their land, and their property as seen in the west bank.

Fourth Stage: Dehumanisation

Dehumanisation refers to distancing the target group from humans, and making people less inclined to empathize with them.

israel refers to Palestinians as both animals and derogatory words such as "whores" or "monsters."

Fifth Stage: Organization

This stage is about planning the genocide, and training.

Many israeli students are taught in order for them to grow up and become IDF soldiers. They are taught how to kill without remorse and enjoy it.

Sixth Stage: Polarisation

Polarisation is about the media and spreading hate about their target group in media.

The IDF not only go on international TV and talk about palestinian "terrorists" but also spread misinfo on social media.

(see this post)

Seventh Stage: Preparation

When preparing perpetrators use code words in order to make their intentions seem brighter.

israel calls it "land disputes" or "self defense" when it is a genocide fueled by colonialist ideologies.

Eight Stage: Persecution

Persecution is about rounding up their target group and committing mass killings.

israel has rounded Palestinians up into Gaza, an open air prison, and continues to bomb their homes, shelters, and hospitals.

There is nowhere for palestinians to go.

Stage Nine: Extermination

This is the stage we are on. israel is destroying hospitals, relief centers, communities, and families.

They are attempting to find and kill every palestinian. Class of 2024 has been canceled due to all students dying.

This cannot continue.

Stage Ten: Denial

If we continue to let israel kill off Palestine, we will get here. To the point where zionists will deny the genocide entirely.

SPEAK UP. DO NOT LET IT COME TO THIS.

Thank you for reading. The original post can be found under the Twitter/X account @aligaytor_. OP has given me permission to share it to Tumblr.

#palestine #palestine news #from the river to the sea palestine will be free #free palestine 🇵🇸 #i stand with palestine 🇵🇸 #free palestine #news on gaza #save gaza #gaza genocide #free gaza #gaza #gaza strip #gazaunderattack #i stand with palestine #stand with gaza #genocide #info post

[theriverbeyond]

how do we know in the books that john is indigenous? can you say more about how his indigeneity is important to his story?

hello! so there is a word of god post on race (doesn't mention John but mentions that Gideon is "mixed Maori"), BUT I frankly don't think word of god statements are worth any weight without actual in-text support (see: the "dumbledore is gay" situation). SO!

Specific evidence that John Gaius is Maori, as revealed in Nona the Ninth:

When he is listing his education, John mentions having gone to Dilworth School (John 20:8). Dilworth is an all boys boarding school in Auckland and accepts students based on financial need instead of academic or sporting achievements. Demographics appear to be about 70% low income Maori boys, indicating that it is highly likely that John is Maori

John reports that P- said he looked like a "Maori-TV pink panther" (John 15:23) when his eyes turned gold. Maori TV is a TV station that is focused primarily on Maori culture & language revitalization, with presumably all or mostly Maori hosts, and tbh I don't see why P- would say this unless John was himself Maori

John uses a te reo Māori phrase ("kia kaha, kia māia") (John 5:20) when he is saying goodbye to the corpses in the cryo lab before the power is shut off. Though it is possible he said this as a non-Maori kiwi, but in combination with the previous two points of evidence I think this all very strongly points to him being Maori

He also renames his daughter Kiriona Gaia, "Kiriona" being just literally the name "Gideon" in te reo Māori

TLT is not a series that hands you anything on a silver platter but to ME this is all pretty solid proof

Why is this relevant to The Locked Tomb?

In Nona the Ninth, we learn that before he completed apotheosis and ate the solar system, John was basically trying to save the earth from capitalism-caused climate change. Climate justice and the rights of indigenous people over their own land are deeply tied together, in the same way that climate catastrophe and capitalism/ imperialism/ colonialism are linked. disclaimer that this is NOT my area of study and others have definitely said it better; this is just the basic gist as I understand it, but on quick search I found some sources here and here if you want to do some reading.

TLT is not a series that hands you anything on a silver platter, but i don't think it is a stretch to see John as an indigenous man trying to save the earth and getting ignored and shut down at every turn by primarily western colonial powers (PanEuro, the USA) who declare him a terrorist and then as a reader thematically connecting that to the experience of indigenous climate activists IRL

there are absolutely TLT meta posts that have discussed this before me; tumblr search is nonfunctional and I have been looking for an hour and a half and cannot find anything specific even though i KNOW i reblogged multiple posts about this in the first few weeks following NTN's release. sad & I am sorry

I think that by the time the books take place, John is 10k years removed from the cultural context he grew up in, with the Nine Houses having become a genocidal colonial power in their own right (with more parallels to be made between John's forever war for the resources of literal life energy and like, oil wars), but I also think that John Gaius is a fictional character who can represent and symbolize multiple different things in service of telling a story. (not to mention the potential thematic parallels being made to how oppressed people sometimes are pressed into replicating the power dynamics of their oppressors and continuing the cycle--now that is a tumblr post i KNOW i read last year and definitely cannot find right now, once again sad & I am sorry)

How Radical Was John Gaius, Really is a forum thread that was locked by the moderators after 234534645674564 pages of heated debate

#john gaius #nona the ninth #the locked tomb #tlt meta #i need to fix my tagging system fr #john meta #tlt thoughts #trb.txt #if anyone wants to add anything or correct anything PLS do so!!! i did my best hope this helps anon. this took me 2 hours

[toweringclam]

Gideon Nav was all like, "sorry Harrow you're gonna be really sad about this, but I'm gonna do it before you talk sense into me," then just yeeted herself onto some spikes but you know Harrow Nova would raise her sword to the sky and shout, "I am Harrow Nova, Forsaken Daughter of the Ninth! Scion of Genocide, Last of the Anastasian Line, and cavalier to the Lychtor Gideon Navagraha! Today, I redeem my house's dishonor and reclaim my birthright!" then fall on her blade in the most dramatic fucking way possible.

#harrow nova #harrowhark nonagesimus #gideon nav #gideon the ninth #the locked tomb #tlt spoilers #locked tomb spoilers #trying to get this to catch on #Gideon Navagraha #cw sui mention #sui mention

[starberry-cupcake]

After a weekend that exhausted me, I am finally able to come back to this book. My reacts proved useful to remind me where I left of, who would have thought.

previously, on harrowberry the ninth:

this happened

also, harrowberry is courtesy of @lady-harrowhark

after which I suggested the following album cover as a representation of her

currently, chapters 14-16:

"The Mithraeum, the seat of the First Reborn! The Sanctuary of the Emperor of the Nine Houses, the bolthole of God"

I don't want to sound like gideon

I really don't

but I have to be entirely honest here

I read that sentence twice, at separate times

and neither of those times did I read "bolthole"

MOVING ON

harrowberry is settled in a room which was made for a lyctor that never was

I don't know if this is at all important but it caught my eye

I wonder what happened there

and I am, as we have established, fixating on very particular things

the emperor johnny bravo has a room that's described as a locked tomb, but harrow says that, unlike the other locked tomb, she's not interested to see what's in this one

on the one hand, I want to know what this guy's actually doing but, on the other, I don't care about what's going on in his intimacy

harrow is also surprised that he gets embarrassed

which I don't, because he should be embarrassed and ashamed about all of the stuff that is going on in general

I don't know specifics and I don't know details, but I know he's at fault

like we say over here, I've got no evidence but I've got no doubt

he tells harrowbean about the BOE

he says they hate the nine houses and that they have agents who turn planets against them

they got themselves a leader about 25 years before harrow was born, who made things more difficult for johnny man

let's bring back the timeline I'm constantly discarding and bringing back

we've been told now that: this leader showed up 25 years before harrow was born, they disappeared nearly 20 years ago and gideon was born 18 years ago in space to a mom who was brain dead upon arriving at ninth

there's also the whole eggs thing that idk if it has something to do with this or not but we're not totally throwing anything away here

we've moved from a cork board to a 3d model at this point

emperor johnny boo is blaming these people for not!dulcinea going ballistic

idk johnny man, you kind of fucked that up on your own I think, but go off, I guess

he also says that the BOE folks hate necromancers and necromancy

I don't wanna be making assumptions with little to no info (literally all I've been doing) but all I've seen so far is these people teaching harrow to kill planets

that's not what miss frizzle told me I should be doing when she wore the most iconic looks in television history

maybe if the emperor dressed like this I'd be trusting him more

emperor johnny also clocked harrow being a ninth kid smoothie

because harrow was doing theorems in the river and only one other person ever did that before

the person who founded the sixth

we're ok with the sixth because camilla came from there

when harrow starts telling him the smoothie story, the emperor says "This was...all so different...before we discovered the scientific principles" and proceeds to tell her that her parents basically did a mini resurrection

he says "I have committed the same act, and I know the price I had to pay" and calls her "a walking miracle"

to which harrow responds "I have just told you that I am the product of my parents' genocide"

emperor, my man

he says "nobody has to know" about the kid smoothie

there sure are a lot of things people aren't supposed to know or ask about over here in the emperor's bolthole

*me, high fiving gideon's force ghost*

he says the initials of BOE mean "blood of eden" and that Eden is "someone they left to die"

then he quotes shakespeare??? I think king lear???

“How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is To have a thankless child”, that quote

I'm not super knowledgeable when it comes to shakespeare tbh but...ominous

he also says "once you turn your back on something, you have no more right to act as though you own it"

and harrow thinks "at the time, that had made perfect sense to you"

that's pinned under the "hope for later" category

NEXT CHAPTER

harrow talks to ice cube barbie in her dreams

ice cube barbie says she's died twice

THEN, AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT

harrow asks her if she has ortus's eyes or if her eyes are hers and what her eyes are like

and ice cube barbie says "she asked me not to tell you"

this is me, adding another thing to the "hopeful hints for gideon" shrine I am building

chapter 16

harrow asks yandere twin about her diary and she says it has been burned on her own orders

more hints for my theory of past!harrow knowing a lot and planning ahead

harrowcita calls lyctortus (name suggested by the reply gang, thank you reply gang) "the other one"

which could be "other" as in "other lyctor" or as in "other ortus", so it's fine either way

harrow is worried about not!dulcinea still being a threat

AREN'T WE ALL

AREN'T WE ALL

I SURE AM, ALWAYS

she should have been flushed into space

harrow thinks not!dulcinea is moving and yandere twin calls her "crazycakes"

then we start going a bit more in depth about augustine

I have come to understand that he isn't called "saint of patience" because he's patient

he's called "saint of patience" because that's what you have to practice when you're around him

good god, this man

he has the charisma of the fifth but the disagreeable nature of the eighth

here I am, making judgment on these people I only know like 2 representatives of, but anyway

he's like if magnus hadn't discovered a passion for baking and had instead decided his hobby was to be passive aggressive and thinking too highly of himself

his cav was his brother, apparently

harrow thinks he's hollow inside

he is absolutely horrendous to mercygirl

BUT, MOST IMPORTANTLY

he also alludes to not!dulcinea moving and thinks mercygirl is doing it

I don't know about this, you guys

two mulders in one recap is what you get when I have been forced to not read for a couple days

I think fox mulder represents my energy in these recaps

Augustine The Unpleasant mentions that johnny j has "spent the last 10 thousand years on a perpetual search-and-destroy mission out of, as far as I can tell, purely symbolic retribution"

great, that sounds fantastic for god to do

and that "I wouldn't set myself up as his replacement A.L. He doesn't need another bodyguard, and even she was significantly more lucid than you are" (you being mercygirl)

I had mentioned the possibility of ice cube barbie being this AL person, we still don't know, but this AL is "she"

let's put that in the 3D model

augustine calls chad a "nice boy", which tracks for him being a Senior Chad

he treats harrow badly, which we absolutely don't stan over here in the harrow respect corner

harrow obliterates him with a comeback and he calls her Anastasia (You were born in a palace by the sea / A palace by the sea? Could it be?) like the previous ninth

these people love comparing their old pals to everyone they meet, even if they supposedly didn't get along much

harrow also makes fun of yandere twin for being what gideon would call "a weenie" over augustine

then we get the augustine and johnny explanation of how to kill the beast

I am all for information but this whole thing gives me the worst vibes

basically he says the beasts (disrespectful name) eat planets like oysters and then keep the thanergy as armor

the beast can inhabit anything it's thanergetically connected to it via their death

like that which they kill

they travel as river projections

they have agents, which he describes like the borg in star trek

individual forms connected to its hive

the whole lyctor thing, having a necromancer's ability with a cav's training to take over the body, seems to be a key to fighting these things

because the necro part goes down into the river to do the thing and the cav can take over the defense of the body

this, I think, could be what we saw harrow doing in the prologue, the projection thing

but harrow's body isn't protected, because she's "lyctor lite"

because there's hope for gideon or so help me john

which might be why yandere twin was telling her she would not be guarded if she did what she was about to do

I am very intrigued as to what harrow will come to know to push her to do what she did

also, she got stabbed, so I'd like to know if she's fine

but we have 0 guarantees of anything over here in the mithrandir or whatever

the emperor's bolthole

god, what has gideon done to me

they say the point of the combat is to throw the beast's soul into the abyss and hope it doesn't come back

that's what I've been trying to do with not!dulcinea all this time

ALSO still no camilla

see you next time and thank you for not hating the length of these things ♥

#luly reacts to tlt #harrow the ninth #harrow the ninth spoilers #tlt spoilers #the locked tomb #long post #gif cw

[multifunctionalnitroglycerin]

The Locked Tomb Series- Alecto Theory

Brace yourselves this is 3000 words of me connecting dots that aren't even there.

First things first, this post is an amalgam of various brilliant theories I have seen posted on Tumblr, so if anything feels familiar, that will be the main reason. I am just going to present my own take on this, and hopefully add something new to what we already have.

                The subjects of today’s conspiracy theory are Alecto and Anastasia -and Cassiopeia in part, the vow to Anastasia’s bloodline and what could very possible be, Dios Apate MAJOR.

                So let’s start with what we have from the books, and feel free to correct me or add sth I might have forgotten.

                Anastasia and Samael are the only ones of the original Lyctor batch, that didn’t complete the Lyctorhood process, thanks to - in no small part – John, and/or possibly Alecto. (“I am sorry about Samael”). Which could mean that Alecto was somehow involved in the whole process going wrong, and thus she feels responsible for Samael’s death, or that she was close enough with Anastasia and Samael, that she herself felt Samael’s loss, or she felt for Anastasia’s grief. (I like to believe that they did have a tentative friendship even before the vow thing happened.)

                Anastasia is also the only one of the Lyctors we know, so far, to have had children. Which is an important bit on its own, (Can full Lyctors, have children? If so, are they different from other children, necromantic or not? Is there a reason that in spite of biological capability- if it exists-the other Lyctors have chosen not to have children? Even with Augustine’s and Mercymorn’s plan we see that in the end Gideon is conceived with Wake’s material – John is a whole different story as far as Lyctorhood goes so he doesn’t count.)

Back to our discussion though, Anastasia’s bloodline was so important to the Ninth House that it has been preserved for 10.000 years. We do not really get a clear picture on whether the Reverend Family knows why the continuation of the bloodline is important, Harrow certainly doesn’t, but it was so deeply ingrained to them that Anastasia’s bloodline must remain intact, that they effectively committed genocide, dooming the House’s future, in order to produce one more direct descendant of the Saint that wasn’t.

We do get a hint, a rather big one, on why the preservation of Anastasia’s blood is so important, in Nona’s Epilogue. Alecto states that Harrow is “the blood of the tombkeeper” after kissing her and drawing blood. What did she taste on Harrow’s blood I wonder? And how did she recognize the taste, as the taste of Anastasia’s line? Did the vow she initially made to Anastasia herself involve them drawing blood? Did it bind them to one another, so deeply that they ingrained themselves into each other on a molecular level?

To add to this, young Harrow, young desolate Harrow, who had had enough with her life and was prepared to die, young Harrow who opened the Tomb for that express purpose, loves Alecto from sight. And decides to keep living for her. And there is something exceedingly weird to just how much Harrow loves Alecto. Alecto is probably the most attractive person Harow lay her eyes upon to that day, true, but this instant infatuation, and its persistence throughout the years has something more to it, don’t you think? As Gideon points out, both to herself and to Ianthe, Harrow’s heart belongs to the dead cold body in the Tomb. And said cold dead body in the Tomb, recognizes Harrow from sight when she wakes “Alecto recalled her, for it was a face once dreamed in Alecto’s dream.”

And this line begs the question. Could Alecto dream, in the tomb? If so, how? And what did she dream of? Did she dream of Harrow? Why did she dream of Harrow if that is the case? Or did she dream of Anastasia, and the resemblance is that great? On the other hand, if this refers to Harrow first opening the Tomb, and looking at Alecto, does that mean that she was in some form conscious throughout that stasis? Does this mean that she could have heard and felt Anastasia while they were both locked in the Tomb, for however long the other woman lived?

(The scene where Nona describes the feeling of Anastasia's hands in the water and feeling safe. I am going to cry.)

I do have an interesting theory about Alecto’s “dreams” but we’ll get there in a bit.

Something else that is fishy, is that the Ninth, is the House of the Sewn Tongue. It sounds a bit like too much flesh magic for a bone magic house to specialize in, right? The cure to the Sewn Tongue on the other hand? Removing the mandible and all that? That sounds like a Bone Magic solution to a flesh magic problem. And I wonder if the fact that the Ninth House’s emblem is the Jawless skull, insinuates that the Ninth is not so much a house where many secrets are kept – though this is undoubtedly true, as the Ninth is known as the House of secrets by the other houses – as much that in the Ninth, all secrets are revealed. Where the sewn tongue is healed, and the truth comes to light. And I’d like to point out that it sounds a bit like foreshadowing, and a promise. Anastasia has been betrayed by John and sworn to secrecy, and then locked in the Tomb to die and take his secrets with her. I feel like the jawless skull acts as a constant reminder, that even with the sewn tongue, all curses can be broken, and all secrets will eventually come to light. And it feels like a promise to John, that her House, the house of secrets and unspoken truths, will be the one to rid of the sewn tongue and bring the truth he so fears forward. And this aligns a tad too well with the Sixth’s mantra, Six for the truth, over solace in lies.

And you know what else fits here, in this concordance of the Sixth and Ninth Houses? Cassiopeia and Anastasia’s friendship. Their alliance if you will. We know they both worked closely together trying to figure out the perfect Lyctorhood process, and it is possible that Anastasia made her attempt a bit before Cassiopeia. The exact same attempt, that performed in perfect conditions ended in failure, with John ultimately killing Samael.

 We also know that Cassiopeia left contingency plans in place, should the emperor become a hindrance to the empire. And from what we have seen of Cassiopeia in the books, it is safe to assume that she is driven, determined, exceedingly intelligent, perceptive, logical, and excellent at planning. She is also the one to point out John’s less than favorable qualities pre-Resurrection such as his interest in taking vengeance on those that wronged him being bigger in his interest to save lives.

So, we have, Cassiopeia and her logic driven, truth seeking brilliance, and Anastasia, the thorough, overly methodical researcher. We have them both working on perfect Lyctorhood, and we have them both, in one way or another, being betrayed by John. Chances are, that they were the first post Resurrection to notice John’s flaws, the first to concoct a plan against him. But contrary to Cytherea, Mercy and Augustine, they are more subtle than those cannonball attempts. No, I believe they planned. And they planned long term, and together. Cassiopeia left her House a note, left them instructions, she was preparing them for when John would become a liability. And then an aforementioned amount of time later, Anastasia is asked to design the tomb.

We do not really know anything about Alecto’s relationships with the other lyctors apart from the fact that most found her revolting, a “monster” in Mercy’s words. So here is a thought, perhaps Anastasia, the one of the original Eight to never ascend, perhaps the one whose failure Alecto was involved in – “I am sorry about Samael” – finds kinship in John’s unnerving pet, his undead “cavalier”, the one he betrayed first, the soul of earth. Perhaps they even became friends. Perhaps she and Cassiopeia realize the extend of what John has done and realize that Alecto is the key to undoing it. When John refuses to kill Alecto to appease the others, the plan fully forms.

So, they construct the tomb. And Cassiopeia is well-known for building mechanisms within houses, so maybe her and Anastasia create secret passages, and mechanisms with extra access to the tomb that would be independent of John sneaking in, or whatever he planned to do with that blood-ward.  And hear me out, we know that Cassiopeia stayed 7 minutes in the river before being torn apart by the resurrection beast – at Mercymorn’s account at least, not sure how reliable of a narrator she is. But what happened during those seven minutes? Paul says he thinks he knows how to get to the Locked Tomb via the River. So, the river and the Tomb are connected. What did Cassiopeia do, I wonder? (Here I’d like to say that my other theory is that she did eventually die, or rather was consumed by Varun the eater, much like Judith Deuteros was. The RB burned through her in what, a couple months? How long would a Lyctor last? Perhaps that was the reason that Varun didn’t resurface until 100 years after Cassiopeia’s presumed death. She could have been alive and slowly wasting away, while still making failsafe within failsafe until she lost her sense of self and eventually wasted away)

To recap until now, the first part of my theory is that Anastasia and Cassiopeia dissatisfied with the world John had made and the truth he had served them, probably worked together to find the truth. And they worked together from the shadows, to create a plan, a long-term plan, with which they could bring John down if the need ever arose, and undo what he had done. And Anastasia’s bloodline and their secrets are really bloody important to that plan. (Also, some nice symbolism about the Ninth being about secrets revealed, rather than secrets kept, and that functioning as a bit of foreshadowing.)

Now into the second part of my theory. Anastasia’s bloodline is so important because she has bound her bloodline to Alecto. And I think this happened in the premise of the Vow Alecto has made to her, or they have made to each other. This might be part of the initial vow, of which we know nothing about, apart from the fact that Alecto pledged herself to Anastasia, and that it is important enough that she pledges herself to Harrow, or a failsafe within it. A failsafe to ensure that should Alecto wake after Anastasia has passed, she will not be fooled by any imposters, or anything else John might have planned. Or perhaps, a failsafe to ensure that even if John changes his mind and finds a way to rid of the body within the tomb, to “kill” Alecto, she will not be completely gone, she will keep existing within Anastasia’s line, thus ensuring that the plan for John’s demise can still be enacted and that the soul of the earth will not be dead.

That plays really hard in the Alecto is within Harrow from the beginning theory. And I will explain. I believe I saw something that looked like this in Twitter by lesbian_mothman, but I do not really remember so I apologize if all this has been said before.

In all the dream chapters with John, we relive memories from just before and after the resurrection, and John talks to Harrow as if she is Alecto “You always say that Harrowhark” as a response to “I still love you.” Or when Varun recognizes the Earth’s soul “green thing” within Nona in the car chase scene, or when Judith regaining consciousness asks “Harrowhark?” and Nona replies, “No, and I never was.” So that begs the question of how much of Harrow is Harrow, how much is Alecto and how much are the 200 souls within her? (And there was a crowd of dead children there. They were striving loudly against living children on the far-off shore of the tomb. CHILLS)

In Nona we learn that Palamedes and Camila on the one hand and Pyrrha on the other have two different theories about who Nona is. The Sixth believe that she is an amalgam of Gideon and Harrow, and Pyrrha believes she is Alecto, golden eyes and all. And I am more inclined to believe that it is indeed Alecto, or at least a part of her, that resides within Harrow, and took the wheel when both Harrow and Gideon were gone. Think abt it. Gideon is back in her body, and we have no idea what the hell happened to Harrow, only that she doesn’t have the wheel, and Nona acts nothing like Harrow or Gideon did. It’s like she is learning how to be human for the first time. She learns how to love and be loved for the first time. So with no soul to govern the body, the part of Alecto within Harrow takes the wheel.  

And then there is the candle metaphor in NtN. Alecto’s soul is the candle passed from one necromantic heir of the Ninth to the other.

So long story short, part of the vow, if not all of it, is that part of Alecto will always live within Anastasia’s descendants, so long as they are necromancers. And here comes the part of Alecto’s dreams. Because if indeed she lives within the souls of Anastasia’s necromantic descendants, does she see through their eyes? Does she feel through their hearts? Does she dream of their lives, while locked in the Tomb, while a part of her lives in them? Is she conscious within them? Or does the whole thing act like a cavalier- lyctor sort of connection, where she cannot take the wheel unless the other soul in the body Is gone?

 Part of her soul is bound to Anastasia’s line, and they are bound to her, and over the course of 10.000 years do they spill over? Alecto to Anastasia’s descendants and they to Alecto.  Was this part of the plan to have a failsafe within Anastasia’s line in case something happened to the body in the Tomb? Was it a promise Anastasia made to Alecto, to give her a chance to live, to be human, through the lives of her own descendants?

All in all, I guess I could some it up in a few concise points.

Cassiopeia and Anastasia worked closely together, they were friends and allies and saw in John, the unfulfilled promises he made, and all the faults he tried to cover with rewriting his own version of history.

They decide to make a plan, a long term one, a detailed one, for when John is more a liability than it is worth. And thus, Cassiopeia creates the mechanisms in the Sixth and leaves the protocols for the rest to find. Truth over solace in lies.

Meanwhile Anastasia attempts to ascend, and John kills Samael. Alecto might be consciously or unconsciously involved and harbors guilt over Samael’s death.

Anastasia probably befriends Alecto or finds kinship with this strange being that is the soul of a planet that no longer is.

The planning continues and John after being asked to kill Alecto decides to lock her in the Tomb instead and has Anastasia design it. He later asks her to stay in the tomb and guard Alecto. (Antigone style)

Anastasia designs the tomb, probably with Cassiopeia’s help, probably with a few hidden mechanisms of its own and or a secret pathway through the river, an extra way out.

At some point, Anastasia sires a line, and she makes her vow with Alecto.

The vow probably is in regards of bounding Alecto to Anastasia’s line so long as there are necromantic heirs. A part of Alecto is constantly alive within each descendant of Anastasia’s.

It might work a bit like the lyctoral process, because Alecto only takes the wheel when there is no Harrow and no Gideon in Nona’s body, aka when there doesn’t seem to be another soul guiding it.

Alecto dreams. Whether she dreams of herself within the tomb and that’s how she recognizes Harrow on sight – from the memory of Harrow first unlocking the Tomb – or her dreams are glimpses of the lives Anastasia’s descendants lead I don’t know.

Alecto is thus bound to Anastasia’s line by blood. She recognizes Harrow by her blood, tasting either Anastasia, or the part of herself residing within it, when she kisses her. It also ensures that the line is intact the vow is intact and it’s not a pretender trying to fool her.

Anastasia and Cassiopeia planned to bring John down by opening the tomb when the time was right and leaving her to Alecto’s (and the RB’S???) mercy. There is still a lot left to be explored.

The tomb is to remain closed until the time has come God has to die. We can all see how that can be misinterpreted to > if the tomb opens God will die. And instead of a promise to be fulfilled it becomes a terrible terrible thing, that will spell everyone’s doom.

The freaking skull of the ninth is a threat, a foreshadow and a promise. The Ninth was a house that should have died with Anastasia in the tomb. But it didn’t. It continued existing its bloodline unbroken for 10.000 years. Nine for the tomb and all that was lost. The Ninth is predominantly I feel a house of mourning – the whole nuns, all black, and skull makeup thing. But it is also a house of secrets. It is a house represented by the cure to even the tightest secret held. So the Ninth, the house that should never have been the house that should have died with its secrets in the tomb of its inception, is the one that will break the sewn tongue, and reveal all the secrets, bringing the truth to light.

#the locked tomb #tlt series #tlt spoilers #alecto the ninth #alecto tlt #john gaius #tlt #alecto the first #anastasia the first #nona the ninth spoilers #cassiopeia the first #anastasia the ninth #harrow the ninth #harrowhark nonagesimus #harrow nonagesimus #lyctorhood #tlt fandom #fan theory #nona the ninth #You know what I cannot unsee the skull thing #It is a bloody symbol #And its bloody brilliant #alecto theory #my girls planned Dios Apate MAJOR #love them #it's all going to hell

[chekhovs-tantrum]

There was a post here that makes me think that not everybody's had this realization:

On my first GtN read I thought that it was weird and out of character and honestly frustrating that Gideon’s fence-falling cry is “For The Ninth.” It’s the House that took her childhood and sanctioned her abuse from all the adults and mortgaged its own future with a magic genocide. Suddenly burying the hatchet with the other product of Ninth House child abuse shouldn’t resolve that. 

But oh! she is not referring to the House of the Ninth. She is referring to Harrow The Ninth. Gideon is a little bean who’s bad with vulnerability and good with wordplay, and this is the closest she can come to “I love you.” I don't know how to live for you, but I will give you my life, gloom mistress, bone empress, penumbral lady, the Ninth.

#oof ouch my heart #Gideon the ninth spoilers #locked tomb meta #tlt analysis

[ceslatoil]

No but how deep does the Harrow Nova verse go? Is everyone’s position of cavalier/necromancer reversed? Does Loveday show up to Canaan house and go about brooding over the loss of Cytherea like a Byronic Hero? Did the 200 ninth children genocide still happen, and did Harrow ever see Alecto in the tomb? Is Palamedes absolutely swole as a caviler? Is Corona or Babs the necromancer in this verse? In the case of the former, does she go through with eating Ianthe’s soul, or does she make the same choice and kill Babs because she sees him as expendable?

#the locked tomb #Gideon the ninth #harrow the ninth #harrow nova

[liesmyth]

It's finally here... the fic that posits to answer the burning question: how are REVEREND BABIES made?

Featuring the breakdown of a longstanding marriage, small-scale genocide, a vengeful ghost of the MILF persuasion, and a normal amount of bones.

Rated M, 10k, Canon-typical everything

Characters: Pelleamena Novenarius, Anastasia the First, Priamhark Noniusvianus, Various Ninth House Characters

Tagged: Worldbuilding, Pre-Canon, Ninth House Extinction Event, Necromancy, Mad Science, WOMEN'S WRONGS

“Harrowhark—you are a walking miracle. A unique theorem. A natural wonder.” You looked at God, and you said: “I have just told you that I am the product of my parents’ genocide.” Harrow the Ninth, Chapter 14

#my fic #tlt #the locked tomb #ninth house #tlt worlduilding #pelleamena novenarius #priamhark noniusvianus #anastasia the first #tiny harrow is present in spirit only! tiny gideon makes a cameo #two bay girls. two bombs #tlt fic

[unidentifiedfroggy]

thinking about how harrow's diy lobotomy is already such a powerful gesture that becomes so much more meaningful and impactful in the broader scheme of harrowhark nonagesimus. harrow prides herself on her intelligence, on her competency, on her talent - she has to, as the product of her parents' genocide - and we see throughout gideon the ninth how important this is to her. she doesn't just want to be the best, to ascend to lyctorhood and restore her house and bring glory to the ninth - she needs to, or her creation was not worth it.

and she was willing to throw that away to keep gideon's soul alive, and that's immense to me.

#harrowhark nonagesimus #gideon nav #harrow the ninth #harrow the ninth spoilers #the locked tomb #this isnt really saying anything new #ive just been thinking about them #and my brain is rotting through #(affectionate)

[syajkk]

Griddlehark au where the ninth house is not a poor house, the genocide of the kids didn’t happen and harrow and Gideon grow up with kids of the same age as they.

It would be interesting to see how they develop their relationship

#the locked tomb #griddlehark #gtn

[hawkeabelas]

The thing that fascinates me the most about Harrow Nova aus is that it assumes Harrow would still love the Ninth House just as much if she weren't the Reverend Daughter. But would she, really?

What if a Harrow who was raised only knowing parents who committed genocide to create her and then rejected her so fully because their "sacrifice" was wasted, resented the Ninth that eats its own for tradition?

What if Gideon, a lonely orphan from an unknown origin, grows up to love the house who graciously promoted a foundling to princess?

What if Harrow and Gideon traded not just roles as cavalier and necromancer, but their attitude towards their home as well?

#tlt #tlt meta #the locked tomb #harrow nova #gideon nav #or would she be gideon nonagesimus? #or get her own ninth royalty name? #ngl kinda want to write a harrow nova fic to explore this #a harrow who's bitter and angry at the ninth house fascinates me

[twistedchristianscience]

stands up. trigun / the locked tomb au. wolfwood being vash's cavalier. the ninth house genocide instead of july with vash being harrow. I know theyre not similar in personality at all thats not the point dont worry about it. knives (already a lyctor) forcing vash to also become a lyctor like the angel arm shit. I dunno who they'd eat it's maybe not that important in knives' case I don't think he'd give a shit but vash eating wolfwood-- [GUNSHOT]

#is this anything. does this make sense at all #can the lyctoral process be forced like that? I dont remember sorry its been a minute since I read tlt but I cant get this out of my head #knives pulling some hannibal shit or something I dont fucking know #sorry to trigun fans who dont know tlt lore (and vice versa) I know this sounds bonkers. thats because it is #trigun #the locked tomb