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Randomized Robins AU - Ages + Worst Trait Exercise:

Steph (25):

Says her worst trait is her murderous rages (she is exaggerating for dramatic/comedic effect, she’s killed 3 people tops and for very good reason)

Thinks her worst trait is her spitefulness (one of the few traits she definitely got from her father + one that prevents her from fixing her relationships and living her best possible life. She’ll refuse to interact with someone she dearly loves after an argument (happens significantly less after Tim’s death) or will say things she knows are hurtful just for the sake of having the last word. This trait will worsen in some ways as the list of people who have wronged her and those she loves grows, but will also ease up as she matures and realizes the harm it’s doing to her relationships with those she loves most.)

Her worst trait really is her spitefulness

Cass (26)

Says her worst trait is her self-righteousness (she believes that her goals are righteous and, as a result, she is righteous. Cass becomes very defensive whenever someone questions the mission and often does not second-guess herself. This is a trait she only develops later in life as she grows closer to Bruce/learns to understand herself more/starts to love herself more. But she knows she isn’t perfect and when somebody she trusts criticizes something she is doing she is willing to listen. She just usually isn’t the one to START the introspection.)

Thinks her worst trait is her self-righteousness.

Her worst trait actually is her obsessiveness (she gets it from Bruce and, while not as bad as him, she will easily become preoccupied with her night-life and the mission if someone isn’t there to pull her back. She will do this to the point of self-destruction and it hurts her relationships with the people she loves, especially Steph.)

Tim (24)

Says his worst trait is his spitefulness (he actively rejects the idea of mending his relationships with the older members of the family and this causes him to also lack good relationships with the younger ones)

Thinks his worst trait is his obsessiveness (similar to Cass, if he gets fixated on a task or idea he will neglect everything else in his life in order to dedicate more time to it. Unlike Cass, he will almost never be dragged away from it unless Pierrot snatches control of the body and forces them to take care of themself.)

His worst trait actually is how manipulative he is (the KING of guilt-tripping and using people’s emotions against them. He’ll do whatever he needs to do to get what he wants, he’s not above crocodile tears. And he will do it to whoever he needs (or wants) to with little care for how his actions impact others.)

Pierrot (Insists: “Age doesn’t apply to me! And even if it did, I'd probably be the oldest. Or the youngest! I’d never be a middle child, though.” Mental assessments by the Bats have put him around 21, with a margin of error of 3 years. Pierrot has called this “blatant character assassination by my eternal rival!”)

Says his worst trait is that he is an irredeemable psychopath without any regard for the wellbeing of others (this is a lie and everyone who's important to him understands this).

Thinks his worst trait is his parasitic nature (he literally would not exist had Tim not suffered the way he did. Plus he is a living reminder of one of the worst things that happened to many of his loved ones. He is a parasite injected into a functional person's body and contributes to his continued suffering. This is also a largely incorrect judgement of himself, caused by his actual worst trait.)

His worst trait actually is his limited sense of self (he doesn’t really know who he is outside of ‘inheritor to the legacy of the Joker (a man he despises yet also views as a father)’ and ‘chip in Tim’s brain that became sentient’. He slowly develops an identity over the course of his life and relationships with other people, but he lacks the foundations of identity that most people have. Pierrot will often almost become a caricature of himself and what others perceive him to be because it's the only person he knows how to be. This causes wild swings in how he behaves and relates to others, sometimes to the detriment of himself and others.)

Dick (17)

Says his worst trait is his clinginess (he is a very extraverted person who likes to be around others, which mixed with his fear of abandonment after his parents died means that if he goes a few days without seeing/talking to a friend he will get very anxious.)

Thinks his worst trait is his anger issues (he gets ticked off very easily and will explode on people. He’s kind at his core and is usually very nice, but he has a temper that can escalate significantly. Spoiler (and later Twist) help him channel this anger into something positive.)

His worst trait actually is his anger issues.

Barbara (18)

Says her worst trait is her disability (internalized ableism, she thinks of herself as less valuable than the other Bats because she cannot be out there in the capes like they can. She will grow out of this as she matures and as she learns how invaluable her support for the team is.)

Thinks her worst trait is her disability

Her worst trait actually is her overly-independent nature (In an attempt to overcompensate for everything she can no longer do, she has resolved to do literally everything that she possibly can without any help from others. This results in many instances where she either takes on too much and winds up not being able to fully realize any of her tasks or where she makes her life and the lives of others significantly harder by refusing help when offered/not asking for it when she needs it.)

Damian (16)

Says his worst trait is his perfectionism (he is overly critical of both himself and others, taking any flaw or problem and amplifying it to an absurd degree. This is due in part to his life with the LoA (where even a brief misstep could lead to death), in part to how others treated him initially as Spoiler (any flaw was fixated on and used as a reason to either mistrust him or portray him as unworthy of the mantle), and in part due to the fact that he is Bruce’s son (the only person with worse perfectionism problems than Damian). Gradually, Damian has improved in this regard but it’s still a massive barrier to both his own happiness and his relationships with others.)

Thinks his worst trait is his perfectionism

His worst trait actually is his perfectionism

Duke (16)

Says his worst trait is his definitely-real secret evil side (says this as a ‘my dad is a villain so who knows??’ joke)

Thinks his worst trait is his impulsivity in his words (Sometimes he will crack a joke or say a remark without thinking it through, leading to a LOT of hurt feelings and drama. He’ll say something without thinking it through and wind up seeming insensitive. This isn’t done because of malice, rather because Duke is someone who’s quick to act and speak. But while the mantle of Insight and his awakening powers have helped him with his actions, they do not always help with his loose tongue. As such, Duke gains an unfair reputation in the media as an instigator and will accidentally cause family drama through what he says.)

His worst trait actually is his impulsivity in his words

Jason (14)

Says his worst trait is his bad manners (he grew up on the streets and has no idea how rich-people society works, which he’s pretty insecure about considering he’s now the youngest kid of Bruce freaking Wayne).

Thinks his worst trait is his reactiveness (Jason never got the privilege of planning ahead for various events in his life, so he instead needed to rely on being swift and harsh in how he could react to situations. It’s saved his life on multiple occasions and helps significantly in his role as Spoiler, but it can also lead to extreme overreactions (accidentally causing kidnapping scare after Jason ran away following a fight with Dick) and a struggle to plan things out ahead of time. As he grows more secure in his place in the family and in life, this trait will lessen but never fully dissipate.)

His worst trait actually is his reactiveness

#stephanie brown #cassandra cain #tim drake #dick grayson #barbara gordon #damian wayne #duke thomas #jason todd #batfamily #randomizedrobinsau #I'm debating whether I should tag this with the Joker Junior tag and those related to it for Pierrot #because like...it's not quite that. but it's also very close to that and is the direct result of that.#but Pierrot would fucking HATE to be tagged as that and sees it as an insult to his identity...which he already has problems with #so I don't think I'm gonna #anyways lmao I am totally projecting my younger self onto Barbara. How could I not? She's literally the reason I view my disability #the way that I do and she actively improved my mental health just by existing and saying some of the shit she did when I was in the #stages of accepting my own disability. So yeah I am projecting a lot onto her because I love her and see myself in her.#I'm mostly basing these characterizations on my favorite versions of them (ie Red Robin 2009 Tim and Birds of Prey Barbara).#so I'm taking the traits I like/think fit in this AU and discarding what I think either is bad or doesn't fit or if I just don't like it.#Damian's 'murder gremlin who is a meanie on purpose because he is a meanie' is entirely unappealing to me and also does not fit this AU #I prefer him when he's portrayed as a sympathetic kid (who is still an asshole) and not a demon child. So that's what I'm using.#same with Talia's 'abusive mother who is totally on-board with all of her father's bullshit and will kill someone for no reason' version #I have read enough comics to know what I like/what is most important and what I don't like/what is #BLATANT CHARACTER ASSASSINATION GRANT MORRISON YOU FUCK YOU SET TALIA BACK SO FUCKING FAR #I also decided to outline their WORST traits because I already know what I like about these characters/their best traits.#most people do. But what was a greater challenge was finding what would make their lives and those of others worse.#what would I hate about this person if I knew them IRL? What would I first suggest they get therapy for? What hurts them and why?#I found these questions really interesting in the context of this AU where some people are forced into completely different roles #the says/thinks/is was inspired by trying to answer that question for myself. I say my worst trait is my impulsiveness but when #I asked others in my life they answered 'oh so you said your weird thing where you don't ask for help right?'

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wutheringmights · 2 years

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looks like i gotta be the one to ask for some director's commentary for chapter 16

And we thank you for your service!

The flashback section for this chapter was a last minute decision. I originally was going to move onto the next major plot point, but I realized that I needed to do some more ground work for the plot point to make sense

I thought the opening section with the rumors was a genius idea until I started writing it and realized that, no. It was not that great of an idea. But it was an easy way of conveying information so I stuck to it.

I have been trying to have another scene on the battlefield where can I reiterate that the child is still running around using his transformation masks (because it's extremely important), but there has been so much interpersonal drama that I have not been able to make it happen. rip me I guess

The dance Link does in this chapter is supposed to be the same dance in chapter 6

Link and the child hanging out together are definitely my favorite part of the chapter, even if child endangerment is involved

Everything with the engineer is just building up to the major plot point next chapter, and I thought I made it pretty clear what was going on with him, but so far no one has gotten it(?)

The plot point is one of those things where I have meant for this at the start and have alluded to it already in the present day, which means I have to commit to it. But I also worry that a lot of you are not going to like it

Moving onto the present day

Was it fun to start with Warriors losing the Triforce? You know, that plot point I should have ended the previous chapter with until I dumbly left it out?

Admittedly, starting with the loss of the Triforce made for a kick ass opener. But as I predicted, it got drowned out by the sheer weight of everything else that happened

You might be wondering: what is the plot hole I spent a week fixing? Originally, Four caught up with Warriors way sooner, about a week, and disguised as a minish, he spent time with Warriors before before Warriors was delivered to the Royal Guard. During this time, Warriors was going to build a bond with Four and tell Four secrets he wouldn't have told otherwise

Mainly, Four was going to learn that Warriors knows that Wind is doomed to die young

But here's the problem: I picked Four to be Warriors's rescuer because he was the only member of the chain who could single-handedly rescue Warriors from the Kakariko Well. How? With the Colors, of course!

But if Four could split into the Colors at any given time, then why wouldn't he rescue Warriors before he was handed over to the Royal Guard? If four people could take on the whole well, then it would make sense that they could also take on, like, 10 guards.

So I had to trash 2k-3k worth of Four and Warriors bonding to make it so that Four didn't catch up to Warriors in time to rescue him

(By the way: Four had to catch up with Warriors before his hearing with the generals so that Four would know where Warriors was sent to. Like, having Four do a surprise rescue was not an option)

I just think this plot hole is funny because I have had this planned for over a year and I didn't realize until I wrote it that it wouldn't work despite me picking Four expressly for his competence

Moving on

My favorite part of the present section is Warriors's speech about his mother to minish!Four. I have known logically what his relationship with his mother was like and how that shaped who he is now, but as cliche as it was, I feel like Warriors didn't tell me himself until now.

Like, I understand fully now what his mommy issues are, so look forward to seeing some more about it

So much of this chapter is just Warriors in despair, and honestly glad that you guys found that compelling(?)

My other favorite scene is (surprise) Warriors spitting on Zelda and yelling at the generals. It was immensely satisfying to write, especially since we can finally see Warriors start to make different decisions from his past

When I planned this story, I thought I was going to have an interesting interpretation of the Kakariko Well, but when it came time to write about it, I came up short and went with this setting that combines a hospital and a dungeon. I really wish I was more creative with it

Kei and Warriors's guard (who I swear has a name) were based on a different character concept of a torturer who, upon realizing that they were going to have to torture the Hero of Hyrule, put their foot down and said that they weren't going to do it.

There was a bit more to that character that would take more space that I have now to describe. Just know that they wouldn't have worked.

I had this whole idea of having "His hand hurt" repeat through the chapter, building up to a single line to describe Warriors being tortured. I'm not sure if I picked the right line, though. Other options include "it hurt" and (of course) "his hand hurt." I went with "he hurt" because it sounded a little clunky, which I hoped would make it more memorable.

(Yes, minute difference between lines are sometimes a thing I care about)

Also, Warriors got a hair cut! Fair warning that his appearance is going to change again fairly soon

I hope that the non-existent Toto fans out there enjoyed their confirmation that he's still alive. I'm quite sure that if I did a vote on the most popular OC's in this story, Toto would be at the bottom. rip

When I first got into LU, I really wanted a Colors reveal fic that played more off of Four using the colors strategically. I had this scene in my head that of the Colors leading the Chain out of a prison they were locked up in, expect the Colors were switching out with each other without anyone realizing

I never found a fic that did that and the comic is obviously not going to do it now, so I used that idea here to confuse Warriors

I remember I showed a line from this chapter that described Green's eye color and someone theorized that it was Legend. And it made me so giddy. I was like "heehee this person doesn't know that the Colors are in next chapter."

I would be the first to admit that I could have cut the wallmaster scene to save space, but I could not resist the metaphor having a monstrous hand hunt down Warriors after he spent weeks thinking about how much his own hands hurt

I just... really like hands...

I don't think I made this clear in the chapter, but the reason Four didn't split again when he saw Impa was because he was now injured. Reforming as Four mitigated Vio and Red's injuries, but it also means that if he split again, all of the Colors would be similarly injured

You will find out next chapter what Impa's plan is, but you could figure it out now if you tried. There's (hopefully) enough evidence. You can do it!

#no offense but I really did went with this elaborate colors reveal because we certainly didn't get that in the comic #like i'm not a four stan but even i thought it was underwhelming #me rambling #lu ctb #linked universe #ask #anonymous #ok this next tag is spoilers but it pertains to what I was saying about people being potentially disappointed in the next flashback section #ok so basically my thing is that spirit was never going to be this perfect victim character #like he was always going to start getting mean and become the worst version of himself cause that's something people undergoing trauma can #do. and i'm just worried that the people who really like and feel sorry for the engineer are going to be put off by his... corruption arc?#like it feels weird calling it that but that's really what it is. he becomes a little fucked up himself #ok enjoy these tags while you can cause i might delete them in a bit

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