#non men loving non men

[gay-otlc]

Non Men Loving Non Men

A survey on lesbianism and gender was conducted from early July to late August of this year. It was for any lesbian under the genderqueer umbrella or who had a complicated experience with gender. It received 211 responses.

One question read "How do you feel about the common lesbian definition 'non men loving non men?'" and participants were asked to rate it from one ("hate it") to five ("love it"). This definition will be abbreviated to NMLNM going forward.

For the purposes of this analysis, numbers in the range [1, 3) are considered to feel negatively about the definition, and numbers in the range (3, 5] are considered to feel positive about the definition.

The overall average was 2.838, which is considered to be feeling slightly negative about this definition. The standard deviation was 1.384.

Participants were also asked if they considered themself to be cis, and if they considered themself to be trans. The options given were "yes," "no," "unsure," "sometimes," "somewhat," and "prefer not to say" for each of those two questions. These responses were then compared to responses to the NMLNM question.

Opinions were generally close to the overall average, and all were within one standard deviation.

The group that felt most positive about the NMLNM definition were those who did not consider themselves to be trans, with an average of 3.217 (standard deviation 1.391).

The only other group to feel positively about the definition were those who considered themselves somewhat cis, with an average of 3.107 (standard deviation 1.396).

The group that felt most negatively about the definition were those who sometimes considered themselves to be trans, with an average of 2.333 (standard deviation 1.231).

A later question allowed participants to select gender labels. 51 people identified as multigender. Of those multigender participants, the average opinion on the NMLNM definition was 2.255.

In conclusion, the genderqueer lesbians surveyed felt, on average, slightly negative about the definition of lesbianism "non men loving non men." When divided by gender, the only groups to feel positive about this definition were "not trans" and "somewhat cis" participants. Multigender participants felt especially negative about this definition.

While the sample size is not sufficient to draw conclusions about lesbians as a whole, it is reasonable to conclude that "non men loving non men" is not a perfect definition of lesbianism.

#men and non men #non men loving non men #lesbian #multigender #genderqueer lesbian #multigender lesbian #anyway! remember that survey? i was bored so i decided to analyze the results! #and the results helped me conclude this is a Not Great definition. for multigender lesbians especially #transmultiphobia #saturn speaks

[alder-saan]

I'm tired of the people who say: "Lesbians are women who love women"

I am not a woman.

I am a lesbian.

Stop erasing non-binary identities from lesbianism.

#It's not against you #I know you're cool people in the Gwen fandom #non binary #lesbian #nmlnm #non men loving non men #women loving women >:( #we exist #please

[aholotte]

STOP SAYING “NON-MEN” AND “NON-WOMEN”

Key words so this shows up on the Google algorithm: "non men loving non men" "non men attracted to non men"

This is the only time I’ll say this, but queer people online need to stop saying “non-men” and “non-women” these phrases create yet another binary and expects everyone to fit in a neat little box. Worse still, these phrases are inherently antiblack, homophobic, and dehumanizing. Not to mention that “nonmen” makes trans/nby people into “other” and ends up centering men anyway. SOURCES (alt text included)

“The term nonmen has remained something of a battleground within feminist theory and practice for quite some time as a label built on a negation and hence as always reactive towards what is being negated—which, in turn, remains the norm as what is being resisted. The term also makes explicit the painful friction between woman-centered feminism and trans-inclusive feminism, in relation to which binary gender has never made sense. As a point of departure for a political movement or event, the category aims to include not only cis women but equally trans and nonbinary bodies positioned as other in relation to the white, straight male norm”

#nonmen #nonwomen #lgbt #please stop saying this shit #stop forcing people into boxes #mine #nonmen loving nonmen #non men loving non men #nmlnm #lesbian #gay

[oblisker]

katoph brainrot is eating me up UGHH toph being really physically affectionate so she can always be notified that katara is *there* and katara relishing in it because she’s been the one who’s had to initiate the hug first, she’s never had someone just want to be with her to be close to her, not for her comfort not for her supervision but for her <3 katara is usually the little spoon

#katoph #katara x toph #toph x katara #atla #avatar #avatar the last airbender #katara #katara atla #katara avatar #toph atla #toph beifong #toph beiphong #toph avatar #atla ships #atla katara #atla toph #wlw #nblw #nmlnm #non men loving non men #lesbian #bisexual #wlw rarepair #rarepair #rare paring #brainrot

[theasexual-jackson]

Hey, lesbians of Tumblr who are also fans of an specific male artist. Do you guys also have a song made by him that is mostly perceived as straight, but you're just like: No. You're lesbian. You're a nmlnm song, now, because I said so.

Because, eh, um... you know, I- Erhm... *Profusely sweating in “Lady In My Life” by Michael Jackson.*

(/hj /genq)

#half joke #half revenge on non lesbians who steal lesbian music for their non lesbian contexts #specially them straight girls #grrrr I hate straight girls grrrr >=( #/j #but seriously now I can't be the only one who does this 😭 #I probably am because I've been a weirdo since I was a kid #anyways... #lgbtq+ #lesbian #non men loving non men #nmlnm #sapphic #meme #lesbian meme

[rin-rin-xd]

the lesbian flag but colorpicked from princess celestia

#lesbian #princess celestia #mlp #mlp g4 #mlp princess celestia #mlp celestia #celestia mlp #lgbtq #lgbtqia #lgbtqplus #lgbt #my little pony #wlw #nblw #sapphic #non men loving non men #lesbian pride

[sp1rit-realm]

seeing someone define lesbian as women loving women and wondering: if they saw me, if they knew me, what would they call me?

because i am not a woman.

still, i am a lesbian.

#lesbian #non binary #non binary lesbian #dykes of tumblr #wlw #non men loving non men

[catgender-luz]

OMG LUMITY KISSED OMG LUMITY KISSED OMG LUMITY KISSED

#lumity #luz #toh luz #the owl house amity #the owl house #toh #toh amity #amity blight #luz noceda #kiss #lesbian #bisexual #wlw #sapphic #non men loving non men #the owl house luz #toh lumity #the owl house lumity #toh spoilers #spoilers #the owl house spoilers #clouds on the horizon spoilers #nblw

[neclearsapphilleanlover]

Lesbian and gay - solidarity

#lesbian #gay #nwlnw #nmlnm #non men loving non men #non women loving non women #on an unrelated note #jurrasic park 1 is sooo coool #dododo do do #mogai safe #lgbtqia+ unite #gaybian #lesbigay #lesbian is not a gross word #lesbian is such a pretty word #lesbian 🥰 #lesbian and proud #proud to support mspec lesbians and gays #edited bc …..

[steadysapphics]

Why can the Tik Tock sapphic community be so toxic? I keep seeing lesbians and bisexual sapphics pinning against each other, and I don’t understand. I would just like to kiss all sapphics on the lips and cuddle them and listen to them talk about the things they love. 

#Bisexual #lesbian #pansexual #asexual #wlw #vent post #sapphic #non men loving non men

[heterogrzyb]

ambiamorous sapphic flag<33 made by me!!

#ambiamorous #sapphic #wlw #women loving women #non men loving non men

[ryukiki]

Ok I'm confused. Is lesbian in reference to

Cis women loving cis women

Women (trans or cis) loving women

Non men loving non men

Non men loving anyone

Women/femme aligned individuals loving women/femme aligned individuals

Or another definition I haven't seen?

Also if the answer includes only feminine people, what about he/him or they/them lesbians? What about trans men? If I'm not mistaken pronouns dont always mean gender, so why is there "discourse" around who can identify as lesbian or not? And are lesbian and sapphic interchangable?

I'm seeing lots of different definitions and I'm not sure which is what. Sorry thank you

#lesbian #sapphic #lesbians #lesbianism #wlw #non men loving non men #WHAT ELSE DO I TAG?!

[alder-saan]

Quickly reminder:

Non-binary lesbians are valid, afab AND amab.

Lesbianism is not women loving women. It's non-men loving non-men.

Don't erase us from lesbianism.

#Lesbian #Lesbianism #non binary #non men loving non men #nmlnm

[katsco]

Lesbians don’t like men and I’m gonna start fighting people who claim otherwise.

#lesbian #lgbtq community #lgbtq #I’m gonna start throwing hands #lesbians literally don’t like men #non men loving non men #why is it so hard to understand

[oblisker]

idk why we don’t talk about sapphic kataang enough like,, lesbian girlflux katara lesbian pangender aang lesbian pangender aang bisexual girlflux katara bisexual pangender aang bisexual girlflux katara ALL ARE GREAT and i firmly believe in all of them i can’t decide on a hc 😭

#kataang #sapphic #sapphic ships #nblw #atla #avatar #avatar the last airbender #katara #aang #katara x aang #aang x katara #lesbian #nonbinary lesbian #non men loving non men #bisexual #pangender #girlflux #nonbinary #enby #enby lesbian #nonbinary bisexual #atla ships

[multigenderswag]

If someone says "this rigid definition of a label doesn't account for the complexity of gender" and your reaction is to say "well the label is perfect and your gender is wrong" I think you have failed to understand queerness.

#yes this is about non men loving non men #but it really applies to any gender label #queer