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shipcestuous · 2 years

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Speaking of Daemyra shippers hating on Jaime/Cersei: I've seen them being rude about Jonerys as well? 🤨 Like, WHY are we being rude like this?? It's not a competition! There are people who hate all 3 of those ships and hate us for shipping them (I ship all 3); We shouldn't be fighting or comparing, we should be supporting each other. 🙄 And we wouldn't have Daemyra THRIVING in the mainstream if not for Jaime/Cersei and Jonerys paving the way.

Yeah, we really don't need the infighting when there are so many vocal critics in fandom of any kind of incest shipping. We need to be supporting each other.

I really don't understand why they need to keep comparing Daemon/Rhaenyra to other ships and talking about how much better it is than them. No matter what you're talking about, that's just not a great way to go about things. It alienates people who love the thing you're comparing negatively to.

I've seen that with movies. There was a movie I liked well enough, but there were lots of people on tumblr being like, "yes, this is how you make a movie, this movie is so much better than such and such" and things like that, and it just make me go, "well f-u, I like such and such, and now you're making me hate the movie we both liked a few minutes ago just because of the way you're talking about it". Sigh.

I wonder if a big chunk of the people being negative about Jon/Daenerys are Jon/Sansa or Jon/Ygritte shippers. I love our passion for our ships, but the ugly flipside of the coin is how we feel about the competition.

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perfectdisastr · 5 years

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Thoughts on spoilers

I'm cautiously optimistic about these new spoilers, because I feel like once you remove the bias and look at it from other perspectives they set up most theorys I would like to see quite well.

Context and tone of these scenes, once again, is going to be key, most scenes can literally be interpreted in opposite ways:

Jon/Sansa talk: what seems to be the scene is Sansa asking Jon whether he bent the knee because of being into D or to save the North and Jon doesnt immediately answer. One interpretation is obvi that Jon is deeply offended about this, Dany is the best, Targ Restoration, bla bla bla... But what if it literally ends with Jon contemplating this question, looking broody as per usual. It would set Pol! Jon up so well, on a watsonian level the audience is being asked about Jons real reasons behind bending the knee and the GA will think back to season 7 and jonerys-weirdness and be like:"yeeeah, that was kinda odd wasnt it, tell me more Jon!"

Arya/Jon scene: Arya and Jon have a cute reunion and then Dany has to come up (😒) and Jon asks Arya to talk to Sansa about Dany because we need to get along and what not. We'll if Jon is saying these things with this face:" 😍" it could be that Jon needs Arya, the human lie detector,who has obviously figured this out already, to assure Sansa that Dany is the best and everything will be fine now that she is here or Arya the human lie detector reads Jons deeper intentions towards Dany/bending the knee and considering the Pol! Jon theory is built on the assumption that Jon never planned to let the cat out of the bag, it is vital in Jons mind for the success of his plan, that Dany keeps being coddled and praised to keep her happy and he is telling Arya, 'please explain my betrayal to Sansa, because I suck at articulating my plans and convince her to play along.' Which would mean he's pulling a face kind of like this:🤨🤫🙏🏼

Jon learns of the Tarly-murder: so we know that Sam seems at least a little upset about this and Jon says she is Queen, which anyway you put that is a stupid, heartless answer, Sams answer should be that if Jon had balls he would have just said:'and? Get over it!', anyway I guess you could see it as Jon being unbothered and defending Dany, but he needs to be giving some serious heart eyes to sell that->♥️😍🤗😘<3💗💖💕❣️💝💘, also even if he just is unbothered by it he is being a real asshole about his BEST FRIEND telling him about something he is sad about, that ain't how to be a good friend, Jon! another way this could be interpreted is that Jon kind of sighs and says she's queen in his normal voice. And it is supposed to tell what she is like as queen. I mean if someone says about a person: 'she murdered my father and little brother' and then the halforphans best friend goes:"she's queen". That usually doesn't mean anything good in any context, murder usually isn't something most people want associated with their queen. So Jon is bothered by it, but there is nothing he can say, which still won't earn him friend of the yeary but at least it isn't as cold as option a...

Dany teaches Jon to ride Rhaegal: is basically supposed to be a bad fanfiction moment of Dany and Jon being so in love and Targ Restoration being the only possible endgame, Dany teaches Jon to ride Rhaegal because it will help with the Nightking and they fly around and they passionately kiss. I mean it could go like this or it is

foreshadowing for the Dragons not being useful in the fight against the Nightking at all

Jon is a Targaryen/the rightful heir and what Dany had over him was Dragons, but now she has given him access to that as well and now she has literally nothing that he doesn't and he has a lot she doesn't and this will be Danys last hurray and everything will go downwards from there.

foreshadowing for the Dance of Dragons 2.0 being between Jon and Dany and not Dany and the Night King. (side note: I am aware that it could be Jonerys vs the Nightking with Dany pregnant and its the ultimate power couple saving the world, but I fear that the asthetic will be kind of off, because it isn't even and the biggest Dragon fights against a smaller dragon with another smaller Dragon, that would look stupid and if I am sure of anything it is that GoT will at least look appealing even if the story is shit) anyway so DoD 2.0 foreshadowing, it also makes kind of sense that he gets a dragon riding lesson, because it wouldn't be satisfying if it took Dany years to learn how to ride Dragons and Jon just jumps on one and is immediately ready to go into battle, no he has learned and this skill will come in handy, but not in the way it was supposed to.

All of the above

Jon and Dany kiss passionately: I mean maybe, but we have all seen them have sex, which was described as 'epic' and if that is what passionate means, I am at my most passionate when I am lying in bed contemplating how the world is a place without happiness and nothing is worth doing and everything sucks.

I for one know which interpretations would make a more exciting story, if you go with those, it is in my opinion a pretty good first episode, and there will be a lot of suspense from the get go and many people will probably start to be kind of confused about what they really know. The Nightking and the aotd is coming and another shit storm is brewing, how exciting!

Other thoughts I have:

I hope there is a Jon/Sam interaction pre-'your girlfriend killed my baby-bro', because I am a sucker for Jonwell

I didn't think Dany would be the one telling Sam about killing his father and brother, because her stans see it as such a non-issue and I projected this on her.

I am glad that we are proven right in that aspect, because of course it matters somehow who she is making an example out of, no matter how you are supposed to perceive it. I am sad though, that people are mad at Sam, because he is all I care about and has never done anything wrong. Ever.

Gendrya is the best

Tyrion believing in Cersei seems fishy to me

I'm sad we wont get to see elephants

I'm glad the Jon/Arya reunion has potential to be at least not totally disappointing

Lyanna Mormon being one to oppose Dany, doesn't foretell great things about her (D), because Lyanna Mormon is probably the oy Northern Lord everyone likes and are therefore inclined to be on her side or at the very least not brush her concerns off as misogyny and entitlement.

Dany gets pushback and if Jonerys really was the romance to end all romances he would defend her with something other than :'she is queen, we need allies'. It's gonna be really hard to get me to read this as very positive towards them, especially because them being a couple is supposedly quite obvious, while it wouldn't be hard at all to read it as:'I know she kind of sucks, but we're already fucked and she is all I could find in the very short time I had' Again they are doing the romance thing kind of wrong!

ALSO WHERE THE FUCK IS GHOST?!?

In conclusion I am starting to get excited about the new season, because it seems like it might be ending well for us!

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