Loki being evil because he’s unemployed is probably one of the funniest semi-canon things about him. 💀
His whole TVA redemption arc happened because he got a job and realized that being a peasant is unfair and oppressive. 😭
The Avengers will be in their joker era when they learn that all they had to do was get him a job.
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Hela: Father I want to keep fighting because that's all you taught me.
Odin: No. How dare you have so little regard for life exactly like me? Imprisoned and forgotten.
Thor: Father I tried to kill all the monsters just the way you taught me.
Odin: No. How dare you put Asgardian lives in danger and glorify war exactly like me? Banished and stripped of your power.
Loki: Father I could have killed all the monsters without endangering Asgardian lives to prove my loyalty to you!
Odin: No. How dare you think that's what I wanted when I raised you with racism against your own people? Rejected and driven to suicide.
Hela, Thor and Loki:
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Old Michelle's Q&A, pt.3
Here's pt. 1 & pt. 2 but none of them are connected, so you can ignore them freely.
This is not a theory, just some things came true
He is indeed determined to stick with her, no matter the odds. Even when he learns Ava's goal, wich makes him terrified
But still, even if we see them bonding, and Odin feeling very guilty for abandoning her, and even if we know he hates TITAN with his guts, he has his motives to stay.
And I think even this gesture was not only because Odin is indeed very empathetic guy, but because he is trying to conciliate Gil, another vessel
The question is... Will Odin be set for the choice between his family and his friends and allies?
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Ava's Demon theory on Gil's personal love interest
So we all know that Gil is heavily speculated to be in love and will later on be rejected by Odin leading to his demise to express the sin of "envy." But possibly could Gil still end up with the person in his dreams but not exactly Odin? So there have been some theories Ive read that Olai and Odin could be twin brothers, so if they are they are, they would most likely look the same or be similar in appearance. I know thats not enough for Gil to actually like Olai but considering how symbols play a huge part in the story and (correct me if Im wrong) how Michelle stated that every panel has a meaning(considering the details), Ive gathered some images that could support my point.
in Gil's dream we see Odin with a crown, badges, and "rings" that have numerous diamond shaped designs in each ornament. This could just symbolize how Gil likes to have his own lover be decorated in symbols that represents himself, but personally I interpret this as a foreshadowing that Gil's personal interest later on could be someone accessing and representing these symbols and here we have Olai doing those things
As you can see from almost most of the imageries we see Olai show up, the symbol diamond is almost always shown. From his eyes, necklace, rings and even his computer. We all know how symbols and shapes are important in Avas demon and i think this might be another foreshadowing Michelle is showing. And considering how most of the diamonds symbols are both in the form of rings in both Olai's panels and Gil's dream this could havily emphasize the later connection of the two.
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Loki is a joke. There are much better characters.
Odin when Loki announces he’s cast in his elementary school production of Annie.
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Odin's Family Dynamic - Part 7
It's been days and I still can't stop thinking about What If 2x07. So I decided to write my thoughts down. While I did mention Hela in previous parts of this series, there wasn't enough material to do a complete analysis of her role in the family. But with this episode we have a more complete picture. Reading Parts 1, 2 and 5 might be necessary for a better understanding of this analysis.
Part 1- Odin: The Narcissistic Parent
Part 2- Thor and Loki: Golden Child and Scapegoat
Part 3- Frigga: The Enabling Parent
Part 4 - Can Loki Trust Thor?
Part 5 - Did Odin Love Loki?
Part 6 - Is Loki a Narcissist?
Hela: Golden Child Turned Invisible
In a relation to this series, I was asked what would happen to the golden child without a scapegoat. The answer is the dynamics of a dysfunctional family with a narcissistic parent are not set in stone. The roles the narcissist assign to members of their family can change based on the needs and desires of the narcissist parent. And sometimes a person can have multiple roles or change roles. Usually the only child of a narcissistic parent is given the role of the golden child by default, but they're also prone to having multiple roles.
We see Hela as a happy kid who loves her pet wolf and can't even stand seeing him chained. It is interesting that her first reaction is protesting his imprisonment not that Odin stopped her playing with Fenrir. The scene shows that she cares about others and doesn't want to harm anyone. But Odin seeks to control and tame anything that might be a threat to him, and as he chains Fenrir, he chains Hela too. He grooms her to be a fighter, to never pass on a chance to end a life, to be his executioner and consider that a great honor. He couldn't do that if Hela remained as sweet and caring as she was when she was a kid. And Hela reveling in the love and attention stayed his golden child.
Until Odin decided to stop at the nine realms. Now it's never mentioned why Odin suddenly made that decision. It definitely wasn't because of the goodness of his heart. He still sought powers he deemed others unworthy of with the excuse of "protecting peace". But what caused him to stop his conquests? The answer might be his "new girlfriend who is a dreadful woman" according to Hela and one of the people Hela has a quarrel with.
But why Hela doesn't like Frigga? They have two different personalities for start. While Frigga is a fierce warrior, she doesn't enjoy fighting or war. Definitely not the way Odin, Hela and Thor do(one of many similarities Loki has with Frigga). Also from TR we know Hela was aware of having a sibling but never met them. So her banishment happened when Frigga was pregnant. Stopping the wars and protecting peace might have been Frigga's condition for marrying Odin. It is also possible that Odin pitted Hela and Frigga against each other through triangulation, a manipulation method to provide him narcissistic supply.
"Basically, the game involves two or more people who get pitted against each other and usually they don’t even realize what’s happening. They’re just aware of the conflict between each other and there’s always this conflict. Maybe they can’t figure out what’s going on or where the conflict is coming from. Or maybe it’s very clearly this parent or this other person. Essentially the narcissist does this because they want you to turn on each other while having the loyalty of you both."[1]
The prospect of having another child could be the reason why Odin banished Hela without a second thought. But that's not all. Narcissists don't see their children as people with their own thoughts, feelings and needs but rather as an extension of themselves. The golden child is the positive extension of narcissist but only until they act exactly as their parent wants.
"Narcissists will turn on the golden child when the golden child stops being a source of validation, admiration, and reassurance. Even though narcissists give the golden child many opportunities, privileges, and resources that the other family members don’t get, they still view the golden child as expendable."[2]
That's because the "love" the narcissist parent has for their child is conditional. And if the golden child do anything that contradicts the narcissist's sense of self, they become the negative extension of narcissist and therefore will be treated as a scapegoat. Which happened to Hela. She was banished and imprisoned and forgotten for more than a millennium. Odin turned her literally and figuratively invisible to the world, because she was a reminder of his shameful past and his failures. No surprise that she went mad. She was treated like a tool and discarded as soon as her usefulness ran out. She didn't have any place in Odin's new future.
WI Hela on the other hand got the chance to know herself and choose her own path when she realized what she wanted all along was freedom from Odin's control. Which is a theme that repeats both with Thor's arc in TDW and Loki's arc. Because what Odin did to his children for all their lives and every punishment he sentenced them to, was ultimately for controlling them.
Sources:
[1]Scapegoat & Golden Child | How and why narcissists assign these roles (and not just in the family!)
[2]Does the Narcissist Ever Turn on the Golden Child?
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wish intsys did a little more owain and his brand cuz as far as i remember, and i could be very wrong its been a while since i last binged supports/dlc dialogue, but it’s mostly used for lissa and ophelia’s characters rather than his own which definitely makes sense for owain’s purpose as a comic relief character, but i wish it did more for him as a person. specifically the fact that he loses it as odin, and while i think that you could say he was sad about it, which i think he probably was, i think he was probably more relieved in a sense? not in a “FUCK the brand of the exalt i HATE it” kind of way obviously, but in a “i’m finally free from the expectations from my heritage” kind of way you know? cuz he does admit to having feelings of inferiority and in adequacy to chrom and lucina, which he probably wouldnt feel as much if he wasnt connected to them by blood. i feel like, for him, his brand could be both a symbol of pride but also ineptitude. and once he’s in a world without lucina and chrom and without the mark on his arm (???? i think) he might feel a little more free.
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