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My Incredibly Spoiler Heavy Thoughts on Nightbringer

TURN BACK IF YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST IN PLAYING THE GAME AT ALL. I MEAN IT.

Hello. I have completed all 10 lessons on the Normal difficulty. These are my thoughts:

First, a disclaimer. All of this is my opinion. If you feel differently about a character or plot point, that's fine. This is all just as I see it.

Holy hell, I love the setup here so damn much. The Nightbringer story so far is truly more than just a rehash of the OG plot, largely because of all the small stuff that keeps happening in background. Yes, we're befriending the brothers again, but we don't know WHY. Why are we in the past? Who sent us there? What do they want from us, or... what do they want out of somebody else?? 👀 I have to hand it to the writers for coming up with this premise, it's soild. Will they stick the landing...? We'll see.

The New! (Old) Cast

Lucifer:

Whelp, Luci is being colder to us than ever... But far more openly involved with his brothers than we saw previously. You can really tell that this is fresh off of the War and he's just trying his best to keep everybody corralled and (somewhat) comfortable.

He still holds onto his Celestial Realm prejudice against demons, so he doesn't trust MC at all which is an interesting turn on the dynamic from before. As a human, Lucifer saw us as weak and insignificant so he didn't give us much time of day. But as a "demon," and someone more knowledgeable about the Devildom than himself, he has to suck it up and rely on MC even if he wants them to stay away.

By the end of Lesson 10, it's safe to say whatever trust he had in MC is going to be shattered. MC has talked their way out of a lot, but even Dia looks shaken by their abilities this time... I'm curious to see if they can reestablish a relationship with him when he was already keeping them at arms length to start with.

Mammon:

Ah, Mammon... Once simp, forever a simp across time and space. Bless him. I guess he's just doomed to always fall first when it comes to MC. It DOES NOT take long for him to be down bad even if you don't romance him specifically (I would know because I'm trying to stay mono-Levi this go around).

Aside from his tsundere-ness, though, we do get a look into more of his insecurities. I find an interesting pattern developing in him where he just tends to latch onto a person and follow them unfailing. He did that with Lucifer before the Fall, he didn't even think about the consequences before going through with it. You could see him doing much the same with MC. I think it stems from a lack of confidence in himself and his own abilities, constantly relying on others to guide him through big decisions and provide him with validation. Add another poor thing to the list...

Leviathan:

I swear to God, the devs realized that Levi's charm lies in his pathos, so they went out of the way to make him EVEN MORE pathetic than normal. I still love him for it, of course. But seriously, Levi starts out practically afraid of his own shadow when the story starts. It makes sense, Levi would have probably one of the more negative impressions of demons of the seven, having fought them head on. He was a shut in before the War and now he's even more terrified to leave the house, let alone his room... (I can't be the only one who's wondering how the hell Dia's going to look at him and go, "Ah yes! I see Admiral material right there!" right?)

I do like that the writers took the time to show that he's one of the more empathetic brothers, right alongside Asmo and Beel, even if he's bad with people. Levi is quick to sympathize with beings and creatures who don't fit in and it's always very sweet to see. I also guess that Simeon wrote TSL in secret or after the War? You think he would know of it at least having lived so long with the author... Anyway. I digress.

There's a lot of... small things around Levi that I think hint at the inner feelings of the brothers, though (of all seven of them, he has the WORST poker face I swear). I may touch on those in another post because I need time to gather my thoughts on how it all connects there... Anyway, he's still my favorite and I'm going to try to see if there's any truth to this "you get a deeper connection if you stick to one brother" thing. Wish me luck.

Satan:

Okay, load your guns now because I think Satan is the real star of the show here. They're actually pulling way more than the "He's mad because he's seen like Lucifer" card. We're at a point where Satan doesn't even consider himself associated with the brothers AT ALL. That means something and has consequences on the story. He didn't even go with them to check on Beel, despite having enough fire power that he could have probably helped a lot.

Now before someone goes screaming at me that they've devolved him into comic relief, I'd first like to ask what did you think he was going to be? OG Satan told us himself that he used to feel nothing but anger. He's going to be pissed, irrational, and violent. He's Wrath.

What truly they're giving us under all of that is a look into a vulnerable guy who doesn't know anything about the world around him and is trying to pick it up on his own because his brothers can't (and maybe won't) teach him. They keep chaining him up (which I hate btw) and talk about him like he's a beast. But it's partially because they're such terrible communicators that he flies off the handle so often to begin with.

Satan is more alone than really anybody else is the Devildom. His brothers already have all this history together and memories shared during their time as angels, stuff he has no context for and could never experience himself. He's still an outcast among demons for his association with them, despite being a fully fledged demon in his own right, and he doesn't know why he has to be linked to them because he barely knows them anyway. He's taking baby steps to understand the world, but when he goes to his brothers to ask questions they lampshade him for even having clear thoughts. All they see him as is a roaring beast. This version of Satan is fascinating to me. How does he start here and end up the eloquent, emotionally-controlled bookworm with a planet's worth of connections? I gotta know!!

Asmodeus:

They FINALLY started giving Asmo his proper flowers! I still think it could have been more, but he's gotten way more depth than he had before. I know that Asmo part technically involved MC's input the least out of all of the brothers, but I think that was by design.

Asmo is a surprisingly introspective individual under his urge to perform. MC didn't have to give much input because he just didn't need as much. He knows himself very well (unlike some of the others). He's an emotionally intelligent guy who can sort out his own inner problems and remain empathetic enough to want to help his brothers in his own way. I wanted to hear more from this side of Asmo, honestly, but the game seems to make it clear that he's content with his spot of being the family's brightest smile. I hope it makes more appearances as we go on.

Beelzebub:

This one is tricky, because lesson 10 leaves off on a cliffhanger related to Beel... So I think Beel's feelings will have more consequences than the other brothers' on the story. Most of all that we see of Beel is, unfortunately, him being hungry or off being wholesome with Belphie but lesson 10 did give us some eye-openers regardless.

First, apparently if he flies off the handle, Beel is quite the challenge to handle. It takes Dia himself to restrain him, which is pretty insane for the sixthborn in the line-up. It's possible some outside magic is cranking up his power somehow, but we won't know until the next lessons are out.

Secondly, I find it very interesting that Beel's "heart-to-heart" moment with us is being saved for last... It was definitely the most surprising one of the secrets in the teasers (in my opinion). Beel and Belphie are glued to the hip and share everything together so for him to have a secret "not even Belphie" knows is pretty shocking. I hope it's not just that he saved Belphie instead of Lilith since we all already know that. It'd be a pretty cheap pay off to all this buildup... Not that I haven't been disappointed before or anything.

Belphegor:

Similar to Beel, Belphie doesn't get much attention until the end and it isn't much that we haven't heard before, unfortunately. You kind can't blame them, since plumbing out Belphie's inner trauma about the War was the entire climax of the first game. It's nothing we don't already know. That being said, I think there's some more interesting things that are being said about Belphie or left unsaid by the others that I find more fascinating to keep track of.

TLDR, I think there's some weird distancing going on between Belphie and the others. It doesn't seem super apparent, but Levi dropped some weird bombshells early on and I can't help but notice how he just never seems to be without Beel. Those two are close, yeah, but in this game they're practically a unit. I'm pretty sure Belphie is using Beel as a security blanket of sorts. He's also the ONLY one to mention Lilith in any great detail. Unsurprising, but it's worth noting that the others haven't really brought her up despite it (supposedly) starting the War.

Diavolo:

Somebody give this guy a vacation and a raise... So apparently, the brothers were cast down, the old King took one look at them and counted to seven, then conked out. Now our boy has to rule the kingdom. He's... the same really. As far as I can tell. You can really see how much he's taken to the brothers' antics though, which checks out in the other game too.

WAAAY more fascinating to me is apparently there's some kind of body called the House of Lords who think that Dia is too young for the job. What's the House of Lords?? Who are they? Are they like a council or advisory board...? Or is this a UK setup? Is there a Parliamentary board?? I dunno, could just be my Poli Sci talking but I'm now so lost on how the Devildom operates now...

Barbatos:

Oh my God, if there is any character I could live vicariously through, it was Barbs here. For whatever unnamed reason he is NOT having any of Solomon's shit right now and I'm living for it. Setting my delight aside, we don't get to see very much of him and what we do see doesn't really differ from the norm, which only makes his detest all the more shocking.

Through Barbs, we also see just how potent the power of the pacts can be when Solomon summons him and more or less forces him to do as he says. Nothing seems to stop him from retaliating after the fact, as he sent Solomon off who knows where, but seeing that kind of power wielded over a being who's almost unattainable to us is... Well. I feel bad for Asmo.

Simeon:

There's a lot to unpack with Simeon... and a lot of it is in the stuff that goes unsaid. First, I already found it strange that he didn't seem surprised to see Satan in the House. Or if he was, he didn't say it or bother introducing himself which is... telling for a guy like Simeon. He's back to being Luke's minder in front of demons, but I can't help but notice that he doesn't do much to counter Luke's tirades. He only indicates that it's impolite to say them, so he may still harbor the very same feelings.

Simeon and Lucifer have something of a heart to heart together that they never would in the OG title where Simeon admits his biggest regret. It isn't that he didn't follow Lucifer, as we might think, but that he doesn't feel like did enough to reach out to him before he made his decision. Lucifer dispells this, but I think it goes to show that Simeon stands behind his decision to stay and that it was the better option. Lucifer also confront Simeon on why he didn't take a high position (seraph) and instead settled for archangel. It's left open ended what his real motives for that would be, but I suspect that it has something to do with Simeon's troubling streak of going against the grain, even in subtle ways. Or he has too much anger about what happened to accept taking Lucifer's old position.

I found it interesting how easily these two seemed to talk about intimate topics together here where Lucifer barely even acknowledges Simeon's attempts to reach out in the OG story. I wonder what may have happened to sour their relationship so severely...?

Luke:

Luke the Racist Chihuahua returns!! Okay, I'm being a little mean but he's pretty much just self-righteous little kid the whole way through. I will admit, it is a little funny that the person who came up with the nickname was actually Lucifer. I think it's now retconned and confirmed that Luke and the brothers never knew each other before the Fall... though Luke seems to know OF their former selves in some capacity. I could be misinterpreting things though.

The Rat Bastard Solomon:

I swear to God this was me playing through the whole game tied to this guy.

He's lying. A lot. Constantly. And it pisses me off to no end. I was wondering why things he was saying and the stuff he was doing weren't lining up and OF COURSE it's because he's either working his own agenda or being outright deceitful. I hate him so much, y'all, you don't even know...

That aside, as an impartial observer Solomon is pulling a lot of work to support MC and you can TELL how down bad he is for them, which actually has significance for the plot I think. He's keeping them in the dark about something, but considering his feelings I say we can at least be charitable and assume it isn't to hurt them or cause them any suffering... intentionally. He's also as unscrupulous as ever, considering how he ordered a very angry Barbs around and more or less took advantage of a life or death situation to make a pact with Asmo.

So. At the end of the lessons, we're reintroduced to the mysterious Nightbringer. The character who actually sent us back in time at the start of the game. Yeah, it wasn't Barbatos... probably. At least not our reliable neighborhood butler anyway. They seem to be different entities but I THINK they might share some connection....

I have to wonder who disguised MC when they first arrived. The marketing made it seem like it would be Solomon but the marketing has been hit or miss on actual accuracy about the game we're seeing. If it was Solomon, then he had to have known where the MC was before he called. If it was Nightbringer then... well actually. We need to touch on that first.

Nightbringer:

Now, much of this is just me speculating so take things with a grain of salt. Nightbringer's name is blocked out, but it seems like it identified itself to us in the beginning before sending us to the past. It appears like it wants something from Solomon.... to fully corrupt him maybe? And it's using MC as leverage against him.

I suspect that all of the weird stuff that has been happening is tied to its meddling in some way, but to what end is unclear... Sending Levi and MC into TSL, tricking Asmo then trying to feed everyone to a spider, and, likely, whatever is going on with Beel. I can't tell if it's trying to push MC and the brother's closer together, or just making vaguely comical attempts at homicide by fictional characters, spider, and Gluttony incarnate.

The situation with Adam does give us a hint into its nature. It appears to be some kind of dark, trickster being that gives a person what they desire, but never the way they intended. A walking monkey's paw, if you will. Solomon says that Nightbringer made him what he is today, so perhaps he worked under it or is simply under the influence of one its "deals." Their relationship is adversarial, though. When they're speaking, they talk about the two supernatural sides, Angel and Demon, and Nightbringer seems to want to force Solomon to make a choice between them. Lose his humanity, maybe?

I'm not quite willing to say that Nightbringer is a demon just yet, at least not one of the ones we normally encounter. Something about it seems... older. More powerful than that. But we'll have to wait for more info.

My crackpot theory?

Solomon has made a deal with Nightbringer in order to go back in time and do... something. He's after something. Nightbringer agreed, but dragged MC along as collateral for Solomon to get it done within a certain amount of time or makes sure he honors his part of the bargin. Barbatos knows this, either because he is linked to in some way to Nightbringer or saw it happen in the doorway, and is disgusted by his actions but unable to speak about it due to the pact. Or, you know. That's our present Barbie also dragged along for the ride and he's pissed that he's been essentially hijacked and taken away from present Diavolo, but forbidden to speak about it.

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still-a-morosexual-help · 2 years

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Found your blog and I'm I Love.🥰.I would like to ask you some questions?

Is there any tropes you would like to see more of weather this be in the game or fanfic. EX:The brothers realizing how far there human will go for them or A self aware MC realizing how fucked up the brothers mental health is and the drive them self to try give them the best help the MC can give.

Is there any brother you also what to go into detail about?

Same with the Datesble what your take on them?

Are you excited to to Michel and Raphael?

Are there any lesson or events you love to revisit?

Is there any other games you want to go into?

Hi! I'm so happy you found my blog too and like my lowkey unhinged rambling😭❤ and Yeah I don't mind questions at all!!

OBEY ME! S3 SPOLIERS AND MAJOR THEORIES ABOUT THE ANGELS AND CELESTIAL REALM

1. The game's already given this to us but I wouldn't mind seeing more: the found family trope. I mean yeah ik the whole game is based off this trope but I just need more? I wanna see how they first became brothers! S3 told us how Beel & Lucifer became brothers and vaguely hinted at how Mammon & Lucifer did but I want detailed stories for all of them! Also yes, the brothers realising how far MC is willing to go for them is one of my favourite things? Just MC being as protective of them as they are of MC. The game did kinda touch up on this briefly with MC giving a bit of their life to Beel and being willing to burn a human for trying to shoot Belphie? Just MC looking at these ancient "evil" eldritch beings and going "Yeah, I'm willing to kill to protect them". Another thing that OM! vaguely touched on is that MC isn't fully human. One of Belphie's cards hinted at them being not fully a human, demon or angel and then in S3 angel Lucifer couldn't identify what they were even after they told him they were human? I really want to know more about this? Personally I think it's cause lilith's magic survived through them and when Lilith died she was neither an angel or a demon, she was something completely unique, caught between an angel and a demon - a fallen angel. And I think that's what's fucking up MC's biology. Plus that the creators chose Lilith as MC's ancestor when some irl stories refer to Lilith as the Mother of Monsters...

2. I think more than the brothers, I want more details on their relationships with each other? Satan & Lucifer's a big one and S3 did look into it a lot but I'd also like to see Satan right after the fall and what they were like then. Mammon & Lucifer's relationship is probably my favourite? Mammon's the only one we know who has slipped up and called Lucifer "Dad" which makes me think Lucifer took him at a much younger age than the others? And why did Mammon become so loyal to him? In S3 angel Mammon said he wanted to be like Lucifer and as much as Mammon loves Lucifer I feel like there's always gonna be a part of him that hates always being second best to him? And remember in S2 when all the brothers were fighting and MC helped them talk to each other and figure things out? That never happens with Mammon & Lucifer. Mammon brings up some really valid points about the way Lucifer treats him, and Lucifer seems genuinely surprised by this and they don't interact for a while after that but MC never needs to intervene and then just go back to being normal with each other again, and granted this is how fights with my brother goes, BUT I wanna see more interactions between the two where they talk things through yknow

3. Honestly I feel like there's a lot of parts to the side characters that still need to be explored? And S3 set up new questions about Simeon, Solomon and Barbatos while answering questions about Diavolo and developing Luke as a character. (Luke and Mammon's new brotherly relationship is everything to me). It absolutely hurts how lonely Diavolo actually is and how he just desperately wants to be included in things, included in a family and I'm really glad he found a friend who he can share common interests with, in Levi and I'm really happy him and Belphie made up and that Belphie wants to go to other amusement parks with him? I just want Diavolo to have all the friends. Barbatos is still a big question mark? We did learn a lot more about him while he also kept things as vague as possible. And the same goes to Solomon. The character sheets already told us that Solomon previously viewed all the demons he had pacts with as pawns and S3 showed that he actually manipulated Asmo into making a pact with him but that also for some unknown reason Barbatos trusts him fully, and that Michael had contact with Solomon even before the brothers fell. So I guess I wanna know about why? Why did he need so many pacts, why did Michael take such an interest in him, why did he fall out with his first apprentice, why does Barbatos trust him so much and ALSO whose grave was he visiting in that one UR+ card. Also simeon! About why he was demoted from a seraphim to an archangel, why he's been stationed I'm the Human Realm, why he and Lucifer share a 'greatest fear' and what that fear is - God or Micheal? And why exactly that is their fear? Fuck s4 feels like it's gonna be really good

4. YES! I have SO many theories about the Celestial Realm!! From what we were told about the two of them in S3 the biggest take away is that they aren't pure, good people like angels are supposed to be. And even the angel event and the devilgram where lucife and diavolo first meet lends credit to that theory. I desperately wanna see morally grey angels who think their way is always the right one. Also according to what Luke said:

a.) Michael misses the brothers and wants them back. But the angel event shows that Michael probably doesn't miss the angels as they used to be (heavily flawed angels) or how they are now (in his interpretation: "wicked & evil demons" in mine: oddly human by definition of the term) but he misses them as he want them to be - "Perfect Angels"

b.) The Celestial Realm believes that the brothers were cast out. Except during their rebellion the angels were shooting to kill (and I'm sure the brothers were fighting to kill too) as seen how they tried to kill Belphie & Lilith. So it doesn't make sense after that, that they would just capture the brothers and kick them out? I think the brothers realised they were losing, that Lilith had been injured and they ran (to the one ally they had - Diavolo) and I think Simeon helped them escape and that's why he was demoted to such a low ranking

c.) Luke didn't know why the brothers rebelled and didn't know anything about Lilith. Meaning a lot of the new/younger angels probably don't know about her too and I 100% believe this is all being kept from them on purpose.

d.) Luke said the Celestial Realm has 7 stars as called the Seven Brothers as a reminder of them. EXCEPT Satan was never an angel, he's never stepped foot in the Celestial Realm, Lucifer didn't even know he existed till after he fell and Michael definitely didn't know and so would have no sentimentality towards someone who is basically a stranger. In my opinion, the seventh star is Lilith, who grew up in the Celestial Realm and who was killed by their hands. But of course Lilith's existence was kept very hush hush so as far as most angels know that star belongs to Satan

5. Honestly I could reread all the lessons cause they're and I have👅 BUT for events my favourite were the first beach one and the summer festival and Mammon's 2020 birthday event and I'm still absolutely heart broken that I can't reread that last one over and over again

6. No games that I want to get into but here's what I'm currently into:

a.) Love Island the Game Season 2. This was the first dating sim I ever played and it was so good! MC can fix things and make them better depending on if they want to be a mediator or a bitch and the routes are all in one major storyline that changes depending on which LI you pick. I would die for Bobby. He has that same goofy, loyal best friend energy that Mammon has AND MC gets to marry the LI at the end

b.) The Arcana. This had been showing up in my recommended for years before I finally gave in and downloaded it during the beginning of the pandemic - turns out it was a story about the plague :') I would kill for Julian Devorak? No you don't understand Julian's just???????????????? He's probably the one character I get the softest for, yes even above Mammon. And I think it's cause somehow Mammon actually has his life together more than Julian? Julian is depressed and perpetually horny and passively suicidal and he forgets to eat and sleep and I'm just here screaming CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP THIS MAN!!!!????

c.) Some of the stories in Choices; particularly: Open Heart - the Doctor one; Eternal Summer - lowkey a Lost remake; Blades of Light and Shadow - DnD Elf Wars. All three of them are so good and engaging!!!

d.) Fictif - Last Legacy. Usually I pick 1 LI and stick to them throughout the whole game but I can't do that with Last Legacy? You've got Badass but Dorky Lady Knight with a Sword, Necromancer with Daddy Issues and a Crazy Ex, Alcoholic Catman who only speaks in innuendos. I can't make the choice... BUT the three character also sometimes seem to lowkey flirt with each other, so my answer: poly. That being said I prefer Last Legacy's MC to the LIs and if I had the chance to romance them I would. They're such a dick? They're canonically the type of person to be confronted by a mugger in an alley and scoff and say What're ya gonna do, MUG me?

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