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madmaenad · 2 months
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What powers did Indra and Ashura inherit from the Sage of Six Paths?
We receive two conflicting answers to this question in the manga, which we will examine in closer detail.
Our most authoritative answer comes from Hagoromo, the Sage of Six Paths himself, in chapters 670-671.
As Indra and Ashura's father, who raised his children and watched them grow, Hagoromo's opinion holds considerable weight. Even after his death, Hagoromo's powers allowed him to continue observing his sons' lives and the lives of their descendants. This firsthand knowledge makes him uniquely qualified to speak on his sons' abilities and powers.
We'll start by considering his thoughts on Indra, the older brother.
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According to the sage himself, Indra inherited the sage's strong chakra. Indra's descendants also inherited this strong chakra as a characteristic trait, as Obito tells us through his Madara persona in 398:
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Hagoromo further explains that Indra inherited two other traits from him:
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"Strong ocular powers" clearly refers to the Sharingan eyes that would be the Uchiha Clan's hallmark.
What the sage means by "strong senses" is less clear. What we do know is that Uchiha Madara was an extraordinary chakra sensor who could identify an individual person from countries away. Linking those two facts, Indra having "strong senses" may have meant that he was also a chakra sensor, and that strong chakra sensors occasionally appeared among his descendants, the Uchiha Clan.
Now let's turn to Ashura, the younger brother. Hagoromo is very specific that Ashura did not inherit any of the things Indra did - not the ocular powers, strong chakra, or senses.
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Then what did Ashura inherit from the sage?
Actually, Hagoromo never confirms Ashura inherited anything at all from him. The only comment he makes on Ashura's power is this:
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What this vague statement refers to is uncertain, but I think we can draw a tentative link to senjutsu, whose practitioners undergo difficult training so they can learn to draw natural energy inside their bodies, then blend it with their own chakra to create senjutsu chakra. This technique artificially increases the amount of chakra available to the user, allowing them to fight on equal grounds against an opponent with a naturally larger chakra capacity. We also know that Ashura's descendants used senjutsu (Senju Hashirama and Uzumaki Naruto), further lending support to this idea.
If Hagoromo is a highly authoritative primary source, our other version of events is the opposite. In chapter 462, Obito tells a short, mythologized version of Indra and Ashura's story.
By Obito's time, the myth of Indra and Ashura was over a thousand years old. When myths are retold over generations, details are embellished, downplayed, forgotten, and added. After enough time passes, a myth's recounting of true historical events may become inaccurate or incomplete, even if a seed of truth remains at its core. However, such myths still say a great deal about the people retelling them.
A further problem with this myth's reliability and accuracy is its source: Obito is relating this story with the intent to manipulate his listeners. We already know he's lying by claiming he's Madara. Likewise, he may be omitting or altering parts of the myth to influence his audience and further align with his goals.
Keeping that in mind, let's examine what the myth has to say about Indra's inheritance from the sage.
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Indra's inheritance in this myth has clear parallels with the sage's personal testimony. Hagoromo stated that his eldest son inherited his ocular powers, strong chakra and senses. Here, Indra's inheritance is the "sage's eyes," strength, and spiritual energy.
The "sage's eyes" directly equate to the ocular powers of the Sharingan. "Spiritual energy" is also easy to match: chakra is composed of both spiritual energy and physical energy. Furthermore, Indra's descendants, the Uchiha, are known for strong chakra.
Because we can directly link most of Indra's traits between the two versions, we can say there is a high level of accurate transmission between the two versions.
The myth's version of Ashura's inheritance, however, drastically differs from Hagoromo's testimony.
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Hagoromo, by omission, implied that Ashura did not inherit any traits from him, and he also said that Ashura found power through his own chakra only later in life. Since Hagoromo's firsthand account makes no mention of any "sage's body," longevity, or stamina, despite speaking to an audience who is Ashura's descendant, we must assume that these were later additions to the myth.
I have argued previously that Obito is telling a Senju version of the Indra and Ashura myth. The narrative expansion of Ashura's abilities adds further evidence to my claim, as the Senju would have ample motivation to depict their ancestor as impressively as possible.
The narrative structure used in this myth also gives Ashura, the Senju's ancestor, claim to an equal inheritance of the sage's power alongside Indra, the Uchiha's ancestor. Not only would that interpretation have carried significance in the politics of the Senju-Uchiha vendetta, it could have potentially been used as justification for the appointment of Senju and Senju-taught Hokages in Konoha.
But why give Ashura longevity and stamina, specifically, out of all possible traits? Perhaps because Ashura's descendants possessed these traits, even if Ashura did not?
Konoha's Senju clan and Uzushiogakure's Uzumaki clan were distant blood relatives, and Uzushiogakure was known as the "Village of Longevity." Perhaps this longevity arose in one of Ashura's early descendants and was then passed down to both the Uzumaki and Senju clans, or perhaps it first arose in the Uzumaki and was passed to the Senju through intermarriage.
Regardless, the inconsistencies within Ashura's narrative suggest that the Senju clan experienced substantial changes within the thousand year period after Ashura's death.
The stability and consistency of Indra's story in the historical record, on the other hand, shows the Uchiha clan maintained a strong line of cultural and genetic continuity, to the extent that Indra's bloodline reliably displayed their ancestor's notable characteristics even a millennium later.
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mediumsizedpidegon · 6 months
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I'm writing fic about Indra, and have changed canon in a few minor ways to make everything worse. It's great! Indra's standing there like
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the WHOLE time and there's only so long things can go on like this :)
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alicia-kingdom · 8 months
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HI there! It´s me again! Here is Chapter 2, pages 1 - 5 of Redemption! More to come shortly!
Hope you enjoy it!
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enby-axels · 1 year
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i've said this before, but we know next to nothing about indra and asura's personalities, so we can make up basically anything and have it be canon compliant. that being said tho, i think my headcanon of indra being a toxic older brother makes the most sense. imo, he was probably also a terrible parent, even worse than his own dad. there's less evidence suggesting anything about asura's personality, but i headcanon him as a fairly average parent, decent for his time period, but nothing truly exceptional
that doesnt parallel the modern day uchiha clan or the warring states era uchiha and senju, but that's the point. fugaku and mikoto doted on sasuke, tajima seemed to be a decent parent to madara and izuna, meanwhile butsuma was explicitly abusive to his children. and despite indra being toxic to asura in my headcanon, the situation is the complete opposite with their descendants, as we see in canon.
and yes, for all we know, indra couldve been a great parent and older brother, even if that's unlikely. but my point is that things change in the span of like a thousand years. the circumstances and actions of one (1) ancestor dont have to be 100% justified for the uchiha clan to have deserved a better fate. i think it's more meaningful for them to have actually broken the intergenerational cycle of violence, but still be doomed anyways, because the problem was never their blood, but the world around them.
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kiyooooo2 · 3 years
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loadbearinonion · 3 years
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Sakura is Hagoromo reincarnated. CONFIRMED.
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wtrwants · 3 years
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vev-archive · 3 years
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Indra Ootsutsuki and Mozenrath have the same energy.
Both prodigies, supremely talented in ninjutsu/magic of their respective worlds, sophisticated and wicked smart. Cruel and sadistic when angered, to the point of craving revenge on those who have wronged them. Both work alone, have betrayed their master/parent, made bloody sacrifices for the sake of attaining power and furthering their ambitions. And what incredible power they wield indeed.
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mediumsizedpidegon · 9 months
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Naruto doesn't have enough women so I am making my own. Which has led me to the conclusion that Ootsutsuki Indra and his wife had seven daughters, and they're the ones who turned a family into a clan. Kishimoto never said these women didn't exist so I even have plausible canon-ness.
What is important to remember is that I have Indra's first daughter, Asuka, as a weaponsmith. And Ashura is a pacifist– so why did he have the weapon he used to kill Indra? Where'd it come from?
Perhaps his eldest niece made him a sword for his safety because her father asked her to. :)) Perhaps if you skew the timeline just right, Asuka and Ashura grew up together, less uncle and niece and more older brother and younger sister. Perhaps the sword Ashura killed his brother with was made at Indra's request and by Asuka's hands. :)))
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alexyskyy · 4 years
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Kaguya cosplay - @alexy_sky_
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alicia-kingdom · 3 years
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Redemption - Chapter 01
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Hope you guys enjoy the first chapter! <3 <3 <3
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enby-axels · 1 year
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based on the translations i read, indra and asura's chakra transmigrated, and with it their respective power and wills. but there wasnt any mention of their "souls" also transmigrating. it also seems that sasuke and naruto sensed their presences within themselves and in each other, suggesting that they're separate entities. the way i see it, indra and asura are more like ghosts haunting their descendants
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sun-sandwich · 4 years
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kaiyaru-art · 5 years
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raffle prize for @kitsunekage88 | they gave me a few fics to pick from and I ended up choosing @kalira9‘s “Moonlit”
this is the 2nd piece that accompanies this one
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