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S413. Optigami | S510-11. Kwami's Choice
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leboo · 1 year
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they literally make me so happy
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hufflepotato-18 · 1 year
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and i found love where it wasn’t supposed to be
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right in front of me
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mamayura · 2 years
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Wait. Rewatching Optigami one moment stood out to me and I wanna know If I got this right:
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Shadowmoth just directly interacted with civilian Adrien through SentiAlec. Has Gabriel EVER acknowledged any civilians existence besides the ones he is directly focusing on (like Audrey here or speaking to the general, faceless crowd) when he was transformed?
Optigami actually highlighted this a solid bit more by never having Shadowmoth acknowledge the real Alec whatsoever. Alec was basically thin air to him the entire time they were in the same room.
So please do correct me if I’m wrong but isnt Adrien here the one and only non-target civilian person Hawkmoth/Shadowmoth/whatever EVER directly spoke to? Much less in a way that ackowledges the unfortunate situation the innocent civilian is being put in by association? It really seems out of the ordinary to me now. I cant remember any other incident even remotely like this, but maybe its just slipping my mind currently.
Does anyone remember any other situation where Gabriel transformed spoke to an innocent civilian? Or was Adrien really the only one til now who received that “honor” via SentiAlec?
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mariproducer · 2 years
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Sentibeings should not be common since the Peacock Miraculous was missing for over 150 years so any Sentibeings made in that original time period should be long dead. Nice try writers to make it not obvious. SentiAdrien confirmed.
Honestly I think this just implicates all those masked rich ppl from the party in "Gabriel Agreste" as ppl who made sentibeings and what not. And then also implicates Kagami and Zoe as sentikids too (and Chloe maybe? Not sold on that idea mostly because the circumstances around Zoe's existence is a headscratcher). So my inference is that is what they mean by "common".
I'm pretty sure the takeaway post-s4 finale is that both Adrien and Felix are confirmed sentis so it's been sort of confirmed for a while, depending on how you interpret things.
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temporalbystander · 1 year
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Have another
Well I'm up way to damn early and, since I can't fall back asleep, how about another theory that occurred to me right before we fell asleep? Now I'm going to say this has spoilers for emotion so if you haven't seen it? Don't read below the line.
So, we all accept that Kagami, Felix and Adrien are sentimonsters right? And as Nathalie showed us, using the miraculous when broken is dangerous and can result in the user's death. This we consider proven by the fact that both Felix's father and Adrien's mother died at around the same time, about a year before the show started. But here's the problem. Either Kagami also lost her father a year ago, something I think would have been brought up by now if that was the case, or her mother was the one to use it. But then why isn't she also dead?
Now, some people think that because Tomoe is blind that that was her price for using the miraculous but that doesn't make sense. We learn from Adrien that the dizzy spells and coughing that Nathalie went through is the same thing Emilie went through before she died. So, despite clearly being accelerated due to the multiple uses of Doosu's power, the process of the deterioration is the same. So, since Kagami's mother shows no signs of dying yet, unfortunately, she either didn't use the miraculous or, something else is at play here.
I have a couple of thoughts on this, each with their own problems.
Theory 1. Kagami has a father who died a year before the show and has never said anything about it. While being the most logical it seems like we really should have heard something about it before now. After all, what happened to Adrien's mother and Felix's father were among the first things we ever learned about the characters.
Theory 2. It's not just the miraculous that's the problem, it's the amok as well. If Tomoe put the ring away somewhere after a simple order of 'always do what your mother commands' it may explain why she didn't feel the effects like the others have. It could also explain why we get a shift in Kagami's personality after Riposte which is the timeframe she would have been given the ring. Or it's just good character development. However I see two problems with this theory. The first is that Nathalie never held onto the amok for long as Mayura. The only confirmed ones we have are Sentibug, when she was already feeling the effects, sentirobustus and Optigami, which she had when already sick. Now you could explain this as her repeatedly using the miraculous but that alone turning a 15 year death sentence into a couple of months seems a stretch. Speaking of which, if the miraculous user can sense amoks, even when not wearing the miraculous then just being near it should be enough to cause trouble. So either this theory is wrong or Tomoe just started her 15 year countdown.
Theory 3. This one makes sense in some regards but absolutely zero in others. It also has two forms, both under the same premise. One user, multiple sentimonsters. If an Akuma can akumatise multiple people through one object, even when they aren't all touching it ala Gang of Secrets, then why can't an amok make two sentimonsters from one object as well? Since we know Adrien's Amok is split between the twin rings why couldn't that split also make Adrien and Felix? After all, I can't be the only one that finds it weird that Adrien is said to be so much like his mother while Felix is cold, calculating, manipulative and willing to destroy the entire world to get what he wants. Sound like anyone else we know? However the problem here is getting Felix's father to be the one to make Kagami, which just seems very weird. Plus, even before he got the miraculous or one of the rings, Gabriel seemed to have no control over him.
Theory 3 b. There has only ever been one creator of Sentikids. Emilie herself. With the death of Felix's father at the same time simply being a coincidence. After all, we've never actually confirmed that the peacock miraculous can only make one amok at a time have we? Unlike an Akuma the connection isn't to the miraculous holder it's with the object so, in theory, there's nothing to say that you couldn't keep pulling feathers from the fan, especially if you detransformed inbetween. Again I see two problems with this theory, the fact that it goes against everything we're shown to be a limit to the powers of the miraculous, and there's no way shadowmoth wouldn't have created an army of the things if that was possible. 
There is a third potential problem of why Emilie would do it for others but I think I can explain that. Firstly I believe Emilie, Amelie and Tomoe were all incapable of having children. Emilie and Amelie due to a genetic condition they share as twins and Tomoe? Well either Tomoe has a similar condition, couldn't find a partner to meet her standards of perfection or didn't want to run the risk of having a child that would share her blindness, again due to her perfectionism. Now it makes sense that Emilie would do such a thing for her twin and that the kids would look similar, they probably wanted the boys to share the same bond they had growing up. But why would Emilie do it for Tomoe? How would either party even know of the others circumstances? Well I think a line in perfection that originally confused me has the answer.
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Hear me out. What if Tomoe was the one that told Gabriel and Emilie about the Miraculous? How would she have known? I'm not sure but as someone so obsessed with an old culture like samurai I can believe her knowing other ancient stories. But then why didn't she go herself? Either she couldn't or didn't trust anyone not to take the power for themselves. So when she heard that Gabriel and Emilie were looking for a way to have a child just like her she told them about the stories and sent them looking under the condition that if they find anything they help her. With that being the case it makes sense why they came back to Paris after HawkMoth showed up. Tomoe wanted to know what was going on and that Gabriel wasn't going back on their deal.
.... God this took me over an hour to write... I'm sorry for wasting your time.
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evannakita · 11 months
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Some last-minute Intuition theories
So Intuition is apparently coming out today, and we finally get to find out why Monarch hasn’t tried using the Snake Miraculous yet! That’s been one of my biggest questions about season 5—on the surface it looks like the perfect power for him, considering how often victory is snatched away from him by a last-minute surprise. And the episode summary suggests that Monarch understands this.
I haven’t been to the future yet, but I still feel like using these final moments before the episode’s release to try to anticipate what’s going to happen.
Spoilers abound; be warned!
Theory 1: Monarch already tried using it
We know the Snake Miraculous is difficult to wield well. Aspik failed to take down Desperada over twenty-five thousand times, and she wasn’t even all that tough of an opponent. Understanding everything about a timeline is impossible, and part of Ladybug’s reliable success comes from how she’s always able to react to anything that Monarch does, no matter how surprising. A time loop won’t change that, even if it does remove Ladybug’s ability to catch Monarch by surprise.
So what if Monarch already tried and failed to use Second Chance to manipulate an outcome through his advantage? That could have happened with a fight we’ve already seen, where the outcome shown was the one where he gave up continuing to try. Like Aspik, he’d have learned the hard way that a second chance doesn’t give you the ability to get things right. Viperion’s success was because he worked with the power rather than trying to twist it to work how he wanted it to. But Monarch’s exchange with the kwamis in Destruction shows that he has the opposite approach, and that won’t go well for him when messing with the timeline.
So if he already tried and failed to use the power, he’ll be reluctant to rely on it any time another power could work instead. And this would explain why he didn’t use the Snake Miraculous in any of his plans like the one in Deflagration, where he was closer than ever and needed every possible failsafe. Since he can only wield five Miraculouses, he doesn’t think it’s worth it to have one of them be the one he doesn’t understand.
Theory 2: Monarch is already using it constantly
While the first theory highlights Monarch’s weaknesses, this one serves as a reminder that even though he’s always failed to defeat Ladybug, she’s also always failed to defeat him. Because Monarch is cautious, to a fault—we shouldn’t forget how long he spent making the power transfer system for the Alliance rings to ensure he wouldn’t risk losing another Miraculous. And even if he doesn’t use powers as their kwamis intend, he’s very good at finding exploits and using them in clever ways. Just look at Optigami—we could be headed for a plan like that in today’s episode.
So if he understands the potential power of the Snake Miraculous as a failsafe, he might be very reluctant to use it at all recklessly. We don’t know enough about how the Snake Miraculous works to be sure if this could work, but perhaps he’s able to regularly make save points that he can go back to if he loses a Miraculous or if his identity gets revealed. He’d only need Sass to transform him if he actually needs to travel back, so that’d be why we’ve never seen him use that Miraculous.
Theory 3: Sass has been tricking Monarch
Even though the kwamis can’t directly disobey their holder, we saw in Destruction that there are loopholes to this, and Sass is a master of those. He’s a smooth talker and a quick thinker. Perhaps he always manages to convince Monarch that the Snake Miraculous isn’t worth using, or perhaps he’s encouraged misunderstandings of how it works. He’s the sort of person where it’d be surprising if he weren’t trying to undermine Monarch, and it’s just a question of how he’d go about doing that.
It’s also important to remember here that Sass has the ability to use Second Chance on his own. However, it doesn’t seem like something that could’ve happened offscreen considering the chaos that occurs when a kwami uses their power without a holder—and it’d also be hard for Monarch to not notice that, which would prompt him to order Sass to not use that power. Perhaps he’s simply already given Sass that order offscreen, or perhaps Sass just doesn’t have a good save point to go back to. (It’s unclear if he can only go back to the most recent one—would that still be the one in Ephemeral? Can he only go back to save points of his current holder? So many unanswered questions.)
A final note
One thing to keep in mind with all these theories is that Intuition chronologically takes place before five episodes that have already been released, and we haven’t seen the Snake Miraculous used in any of them. So whatever happens, this episode definitely isn’t going to cause Monarch to decide to use Second Chance more frequently going forward. And since he still has all his rings in later episodes, we know he isn’t going to lose the Miraculous today.
So I doubt today’s episode will significantly change the status quo going forward, but what it’ll hopefully change is our understanding of it—we’re about to know more about what Monarch’s doing and why, and that can have some major implications, including in episodes we’ve already seen. After all, when time rewinding is in play, the past can be just as full of surprises as the future.
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Season 4 reaction
So I’ve just watched season 4. Like, all of it in one day. I decided to wait until I could get all episodes in English before watching any of it.
So let’s talk about it! Spoilers for the whole season below the cut, naturally.
So a big part of why I didn’t start watching was because of spoilers I had seen that sounded like the show was doing stuff I didn’t want to see until I could see the resolution. Stuff like Marinette telling Alya. As well as just any parts of the relationships with Kagami and Luka.
The majority of the season was a breath of fresh air, frankly. It felt like all of the nonsense excuses from the first few seasons to justify the bizarre continuity were finally gone, as episode after episode kept having an impact on what came next. There were arcs and everything! The way the subplots flowed together, with everything involving Alya acting as Marinette’s support flowing really well. Gabriel recognising the connection between Ladybug and Rena Rouge (which he would have caught onto even if Alya hadn’t given SentiNino his Miraculous, because Optigami would have fused with her Miraculous instead, and gone back with her, revealing that she kept her Miraculous), going into Hawk Moth targeting her and Alya taking on the Rena Furtive role, leading into Nino growing suspicious, and then Nino revealing his and Alya’s secret identities to Adrien, which... disappointingly lead nowhere. Like, with all of Adrien’s bitterness over Team Miraculous and being left out of the loop, he never even mentioned to Ladybug that he knew? I mean, I get that it’s Adrien who found out, but he could have covered that. I guess Adrien is just better at keeping the secrets ignoring Ephemeral. The Luka/Jagged subplot was also super fun, and again, flowed really well episode to episode in the early parts of the season in particular.
Episodes: I knew Truth and Lies were going to be connected, the titles alone made that clear, but the overlapping time frame was a fun touch. Especially as it meant we got an episode that followed Adrien’s perspective pretty much the whole time. Felt a little like Gabriel ran out of ideas for akumatising Kagami though. Like, he gave Luka a truth exposing power, and then finding Kagami in very much the same position immediately after he just... lets her freeze anyone who has ever lied? Kinda weak sauce.
Cat Noir making the plan to fend of Truth was so good to see, and hearing Ladybug express what she likes about Cat Noir was heartwarming.
But I’m glad the relationships were ended, to be honest. I’m not gonna salt on them or whatever, but this blog is titled Love Square Shipping Trash. If you came here hoping to see positive takes on alternate Marinette & Adrien ships, that’s on you. It’s hard to tell how much of this was the writers wanting to differentiate the root problems in the relationships, how much is misogyny that the show has real issues with, and how much is just my own reading, but the relationships felt super unhealthy for Luka and Adrien. Luka just being completely okay with Marinette being unable to get over Adrien... that’s not healthy for him. Having him as a supportive friend is better. When she broke up with him, he finished spoke to help her through it, but it would have been far better for him if he’d ended it, saying that he still has feelings, and would love to try again some day, but not whilst she both can’t talk to him and more importantly can’t get over Adrien.
And then there’s either Adrien not feeling comfortable enough to act natural around Kagami, or else Kagami interpreting Adrien’s behaviour as unnatural. Either way, not great. It was better that she was the one to end things, but I’d have preferred it if it were simply her recognising that Adrien wasn’t comfortable in the relationship, and not holding that against him.
Then Gang of Secrets followed up on this! Marinette is clearly stressed, understandably, and I think it’s reasonable that a stressed teenager could lash out like that without meaning to. Sometimes you just need a little space.
Now, Alya being allowed to become Rena Rouge again - and later other past team members returning. I guess I misunderstood the season 3 finale, because I thought their identities were exposed to the general public, but I guess just to Gabriel and Nathalie? Like, Chloé didn’t remember and Adrien didn’t realise... I guess?? Which is whatever, and I suppose that’s why Chloé wasn’t arrested for aiding a terrorist without any external influence. But the issue with Chloé becoming Queen Bee was never about her identity being known publicly, it was about Hawk Moth being able to target her family as a result. In Miraculer, Chloé became the first person to fully reject Hawk Moth because of her loyalty to Ladybug, but even that wasn’t enough to let her back on the team. In Heart Hunter, Chloé’s parents were already akumatised, and she wasn’t emotionally compromised, she was ready to support Ladybug. But she was denied. Yet in this season, everyone else gets to keep going - even when Hawk Moth blatantly targets them based on their personal lives! And okay, Alya handled it, largely because she already had her Miraculous and Gabriel didn’t know that, but he could have then started targeting all of the others?? But it’s fine, just let them all stay involved, nbd. The hypocrisy of it to justify making Chloé more awful than ever before because Astruc decided the character who went through more character growth and redemption than any other was incapable of change is aggravating.
Marinette wanting to help Kagami and Adrien so much in Mr Pigeon 72 was adorable, even if it was clearly what she really wanted for herself, and she just needed to listen to Kagami.
Psycomedian felt like a much older episode, like early season 2, in a good way. Marinette trying to win Adrien through laughter - not knowing that she was already the best at making him laugh - was precious. I’m very happy that they talked it out at the end and she got to realise that he found her naturally funny. Also, angy Ladybug was incredible, and it made me SO happy that Cat Noir was able to take the lead, and came up with a brilliant plan himself. It was a much simpler, standalone episode, but it did what it needed to do in a delightful way. Oh, and the show FINALLY acknowledging through Rose - BEST character to do it with - that not only is friendship a step, but that’s REALLY FREAKING IMPORTANT to be friends with someone with whom you want to pursue a long term relationship felt SO cathartic. And man, they’re all but outright stating that Rose and Juleka are in a relationship now, huh? MORE PLEASE.
So Furious Fu... like, Su-Han was a jerk about it, but he was absolutely right. It was entirely unreasonable to put all the pressure and responsibility he did on two children. Making them heroes was bad enough, making Marinette Guardian was so much worse. It’s kind of annoying that the show would bring it up, though, because it removes some suspension of disbelief. Plenty of media, particularly children’s of family media, puts the kids in charge for whatever reason. When it’s a fate/destiny deal, the adults can absolutely question it and say the kids shouldn’t, but they have to be the ones to save the day. Here, though, it could have been anyone, and we suspend the disbelief that it wouldn’t be adults because everyone just accepts that this is fine for kids. Having an authority figure regarding the powers point out how messed up this is pulls the audience out in a way that can’t then just be ignored. But uh, hey, maybe instead of just skulking all season you could actually BE USEFUL and try to stop Shadow Moth? Like, if he’s supposed to be watching the heroes at all times, maybe when Gabriel is out publicly during Sentibubbler Sun Han could show up, neutralise him, and reclaim the stolen Miraculous! Blah.
Next up is the Zoé arc. It would have been so easy for her to say to her family at the end that she was only pretending to be nice to pull the long con. I’m glad they didn’t though, there are more than enough double-crossing characters. I love that André stood up for her and helped her out though! I hope that Zoé can continue to help him stand up to Chloé and Audrey. They’ve got a great dynamic, and it’s SO good for the show to have the step-parent be the positive influence like this. Glad to see Adrien finally follow up on what he said to Chloé in Despair Bear, even if it’s a full two seasons later.
Gabriel Agreste was such a strong episode. There was so much going on at that party! Marinette & Chloé’s deal was the weakest part for sure - and it’s insane that Chloé has now gone full blown supervillain in her public life. Although it being some bizarre masquerade ball, but with everyone only getting a mask on arrival, and then otherwise dressed like it’s a freaking funeral... very weird energy.
The focus episodes introducing new heroes were great. I particularly enjoyed Guiltrip. First, the focused highlight of the whole class banding together and comforting Juleka such that she isn’t akumatised, and doing this repeatedly throughout the episode - and the season - is wonderful. Second, excellent twist to have Reflekta IMMEDIATELY surrender to her guilt. She doesn’t blame anyone but herself, so it’s great that she doesn’t just rage against her friends blindly. And then Rose - ROSE. Absolute light. I love that the episode does good character work justifying her acting more childish than the others in a very real way. I love that she just wants her friends to treat her the same. Marinette initially leading the battle stations when Rose sneezes, then later yanking her cushion back, was excellent. And the fact that Ladybug and Cat Noir really couldn’t keep going without that absolutely beacon of positivity was perfect. I love that, as Ladybug said, there was no big battle to save the day. The only thing missing was to FINALLY let Rose and Juleka kiss. But, I mean, the show still hasn’t even shown Alya and Nino kiss, so what are the odds of that, really.
My main thought on Glaciator 2 is just that it’s nice that Cat Noir is trying to be more respectful of Ladybug’s feelings, and that they have the conversation about boundaries, that she actually enjoys the playful banter and even him calling her “my lady” is fine. Having the conversation is so healthy! We need that so much more, even if it has to take place during an action scene to fit it in.
Hack-San was a little frustrating. Cat Noir’s concerns were entirely justified. I was pleased to see that, in Ladybug’s absence and with a pretty cocky new partner, he was immediately ready to take the lead and be the serious hero, showing that he’s always capable of that, but that he knows he and Ladybug work better with one person taking the lead, and it makes more sense when it’s her Lucky Charm that needs to be used. Really, Alya should have just explained that she was Rena Rouge - since Hawk Moth wouldn’t hear that - and he would probably have been fine much quicker. Alya telling Marinette to talk to Cat Noir was VERY good, and I’m glad they talked. Cat Noir forgiving Ladybug was nice, although he’s not entirely right to say she did nothing wrong - she DOES need a way to let him know about situations like this, so that he doesn’t have to fear that her Miraculous was stolen, or that the new hero is a villain.
Wishmaker was a delight. Alec FINALLY getting to grow and stop being so awful, stop getting people akumatised all the time. Luka’s advice to Marinette and Adrien should have just been we are FOURTEEN, y’all need to chill, people double your age still don’t know what to do with their lives. Luka learning both heroes’ identity’s is wild, and it’s so strange that nothing has been done with that. It’ll obviously pay off later, but still. Feels bad for Luka, now knowing what Marinette’s secret was, but being unable to say anything. Also, most importantly, Crocojagged was just wonderful. So contended and chill.
Simpleman was just plain fun, especially with the heroes and even Shadow Moth affected. Running through the streets screaming to fight him, and he’s just like “I will stay hidden!”, very fun.
Qilin, like Psycomedian, felt like a much earlier episode, but in not such a great way. It felt like it was doing the season 1 thing of introducing us to a character through a focus episode - except this is season 4, we know who Sabine is. The ticket collector was absolutely insane, like, aside from going way too hard about all of this, does he seriously not know where he lives? He has to realise that just bullying this woman is going to make her a target. Another reason it felt like season 1. Apparently he was also racially profiling her?? I think that must have largely been removed from the dub. So many of the scenes felt uncomfortable to watch, and it seems like the only thing this episode added to the show overall was an akumatised form for Sabine for the following episode.
Tikki’s whole deal in Dearest Family was just weird. Seems like rounding Tikki up could have been solved by Marinette renouncing her, though, forcing her back into the earrings. Also, like, it seems like they were trying to present various nuanced perspectives, except that Sabine was very clearly in the right? She wanted to talk it through with Marinette.
Ephemeral... why are we just doing Cat Blanc again? It felt like a MUCH weaker version of that episode, and with none of the characters remembering anything from the other timeline, we don’t gain anything from this - Cat Blanc has contributed to the show by showing that Marinette is still traumatised from the event. Like, it’s interesting to see the perspective of Marinette learning Adrien’s identity first, and how different that is for her - I have to assume this was addressed here because by the time of the actual reveal her relationship will have grown with both boys such that she knows all sides better and can more easily see that they’re the same.
Luka’s whole role made no sense. Instead of the convoluted plan, he just had to tell Ladybug that he already knew who Cat Noir was and could tell the Su Han himself. Then when he’s sent into find the kwamis, he points out that Second Chance can only go back 5 minutes, and Sass is just like yeah but not for me, I can just risk tearing the timeline apart, when Fluff is RIGHT THERE. Luka should have just used Fluff for safer time travel. Like, this was literally the solution when they set up this same problem a season ago. Fluff could have ALSO helped deal with the Su Han situation, by just leaving a note that Bunnyx needed to come back to that moment and tell Su Han herself, since she knows their identities in the future.
When I first heard that Cat Noir would be giving up his Miraculous in Kuro Neko, based on the little spoilers I’d heard about the season, I assumed I would be entirely on his side in the moment. But... no, not really. He didn’t actually bring up any of the points from the season where he justifiably felt left out, like Scarabella, or Alya & Nino. He just pouted that Ladybug didn’t need him, when she was clearly busy retrieving the other Miraculouses instead of waiting FIVE MINUTES for her to finish that, at which point they could probably talk - all because HE didn’t turn up for a fight that she ABSOLUTELY wanted him at, and he knows that she tried to contact him. The idea that he’s “just another holder” now doesn’t hold water since she still won’t let him reveal his identity, which puts him in a very different position to the rest. It’s just odd that the past few seasons, starting back in Syren, have built up Cat Noir’s justification for feeling left out, but when it culminates in this episode, none of that is used, and instead he’s just being petulant. The episode also SHOULD have ended with Ladybug filling Cat Noir on some details that he’s missed, like Cat Blanc, and, frankly, filling him in about Rena Furtive, but of course that would mean missing out in finale drama.
Penalteam... happened. The episodes this season that introduced each new hero were solid, so it’s a let down to just have these all crammed in here. Also weird was calling in Kagami and Luka when they weren’t involved or anything. They had enough for a full team without them. Major eyeroll at Alya and Alix being the first ones captured, since they couldn’t be given their Miraculouses without more questions. But now more than ever, we’re supposed to believe that these kids can’t figure out that their group happens to include someone with the exact body type of each of their classmates who ran to hide? It was a nice touch though, following Kuro Neko, for Ladybug to be ready to battle with just herself and Cat Noir, until he said that they might want help on this one - and then her bringing in an extra THIRTEEN people to help, essentially saying she felt that to adequately make up for him, she needed that many more people involved. I was right with Chloé at the end though, asking what Lila’s name is. When was the last time she had a line of dialogue??
And now the finale... Honestly, my only thoughts on Risk are just the same as back in Chameleon. Marinette told the table that Adrien had directly said he didn’t want to go, and should have also pointed out how obviously miserable Adrien looked in the video. Everyone was projecting themselves onto Adrien - Kim saying everyone wants to be a model, Nino assuming Adrien would want to go on the trip like he hasn’t made it clear time after time he wants to be a normal kid and be with his friends. But Alya still insisting that Marinette is just jealous of Lila is just the worst of it all, and has to be why they didn’t use Lila throughout the season - because if she had been involved in any previous episode, then maybe Alya would have stopped to think for a second that maybe LADYBUG knew more about the person who had claimed to be LADYBUG’S BEST FRIEND. The season was set up to exclude a major character just to have a weak justification for Alya being against Marinette in this scene. The worst part is they could have addressed this far more logically by just not having Alya there - they could have given any old reason for her absence, or even none at all - there was no reason given for Rose and Kim to be hanging out without their closer friends in the scene.
Then in Strike Back... the plan to find the akumatised object... was for Marinette to fuse three Miraculouses to go get Adrien, travel back in time, and for Adrien... to throw a ball. None of that even needed her to use the Ladybug Miraculous, if it’s a concern about using too many powers she could have dropped that one. And she didn’t get Adrien, she didn’t need to use the Horse either. The given reason for recruiting Adrien is that he wasn’t affected by Risk. But he doesn’t make any decisions in the plan anyway, so Ladybug didn’t avoid any risks by including him. I get that she’s still affected by Risk, but the fact is that every other risk we saw taken made... some level of sense. Okay, the kid’s parents letting him go was a bit odd, but that's small scale, and they weren’t actively aware of the situation. Ladybug, at that time, was thinking carefully about what risks were involved, and trying to avoid them... but ends up taking a way bigger risk that didn’t make any sense for her to even consider.
The final moments... the INSTANT she realised that Félix had tricked her she should have dropped her transformation. Adrien learning her identity is a FAR better solution than letting anything get taken from her, and it was reasonable to assume he’d look away anyway. Then her yoyo gets taken - AGAIN her immediate response should be to detransform. There is no reason whatsoever that her yoyo shouldn’t dematerialise when she’s no longer Ladybug. It felt contrived for the drama and the following season’s set up.
Finally... got to address SentiAdrien. The theory that Adrien has, in fact, always been a sentimonster. I don’t like the idea, it’s never sat right with me, even if I can’t quite explain why. But the season makes it abundantly clear that that is what’s happening. Same is true of Félix. The Amok is in Gabriel’s ring, and/or Emilie’s ring... maybe one each? It’s a little unclear. But throughout the season, whenever Adrien is about to defy Gabriel, he fiddles with his ring and Gabriel instantly meekly obeys. Most notably in Ephemeral - Adrien was absolutely going to fight akumatisation off entirely, if Gabriel couldn’t force him to accept. In Kuro Neko, he placidly remained in place at the press conference instead of making an excuse to leave because of a direct order to stay there. In Risk, the moment Gabriel gives Nathalie his ring, Adrien stops listening to Gabriel, but Nathalie is able to order him around. The season has made it clear - it’s just weird that previous seasons don’t hold up. In Cat Blanc, he knew that was Adrien. There is no reason he couldn’t have used the Amok to entirely control him, as he does with Ephemeral. It honestly feels like the found a fan theory online and just incorporated it into the show.
To sum up the season as a whole, it started off incredibly strong, with numerous interesting interwoven plot threads and really good character development - the potential to easily be the best season, not close. Even aspects that I didn’t personally care for, such as Marinette’s relationship with Luka, Adrien’s with Kagami, and Alya learning Ladybug’s identity, were really solid plot points that built the season up well. The season was let down by a couple of stand alone episodes, but those are no big deal - and then royally messed up with a convoluted finale that just didn’t hold up to what had previously been established, for the sake of establishing the following season. Overall, it’s still probably the strongest season of the show, but its flaws are far from negligible.
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dramatic-squirrel · 2 years
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I finally got around to watching the season 4 finale of Miraculous Ladybug and can I just say that I am pleasantly surprised by it? I mean, I had the plot spoiled to me by a fried (I said it was ok to tell me spoilers) and I was expecting it to be horrible, so I put off watching. But I genuinely think it’s a great episode, one of the better ones in the season. (spoilers below)
For instance, I knew Felix gave the miraculouses to Gabriel in exchange for the peacock, and I was kind of pissed by that. Because Felix’s character made me think he would never do anything to help Gabriel ever. But the whole situation made me like Felix’s character even more. There’s a moment of hesitation in the episode where he seems to regret what he’s about to do to Ladybug, maybe because he actually respects Ladybug or supports her because she’s Gabriel’s enemy. Maybe, and this is my own wishful thinking from the “Felix” episode, but perhaps Felix has even started to grow feelings for Ladybug and that’s why he hesitates. If Adrien gets two evil love interests (Chloe and Lila) and one nonevil love interest (Kagami) then Marinette deserves at least one evil love interest of her own. Although, I know his character might get ruined in season 5, they haven’t messed him up yet, in my opinion, so I’m hopeful.
The ending scene between Ladybug and Chat Noir? Perfect. I hated this weird lack of trust, discord between the two of them that has been going on all season. I can’t tell if it’s because the episodes came out of order, and therefore I watched it out of order, or if it’s just poorly done, but I hated it. Especially because the issue came back again and again and again without any part of the problem either solved or made worse. But the way Zag ended the problem was wonderful, just what they needed.
Ladybug’s look at Rena Furtive when she discovers that Rena told Carapace her secret? The conflict I was waiting for. And the way it gets resolved really shows Marinette’s and Alya’s maturity.
Pegabunnybug? Stupid name, awesome design, best fusion I’ve seen.
Probably the best episode of season 4, after Optigami because Optigami gave me the idea for Alec!butterfly and Alec!peacock, and nothing will ever top that.
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mari-cherri · 3 years
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“You’re the person I trust most in the world.”
The lie burned her tongue as it left her throat. 
She could tell immediately she miscalculated. She recognized that expression. The pain and isolation in his eyes, it was the one she had sworn with everything she had that she would make sure he never wore again... 
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sketchy-panda · 3 years
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what we thought would happen 🤡🤡🤡
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matchalaatte · 3 years
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((optigami spoilers))
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heres a dumb comic.. bcuz idk ;-;
bonus:
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yeet-noir · 3 years
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Not to be sad again, but in the elevator scene did anybody noticed how sad Adrien looked when he told Marinette that Ladybug will save them after she said Chat Noir will probably be there for them?
Like yes of course they both ended up saying the other person will come for them because they were trapped and knew they couldn't transform, but Adrien seemed really sad about ensuring Ladybug will be there while Marinette seemed optimistic about Chat Noir coming.
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Possibly this could be a trend with him in the episodes that we haven't seen prior to Optigami where Chat Noir never makes it to battle and he just comes to the realization in the elevator that he is going to be a no show again. We seen this in Mr. Pigeon 72 when he did not even have a chance to transform and join Ladybug before he was turned into a pigeon. And as for Marinette being optimistic about Chat Noir's arrival, I think that just shows she isn't really noticing this because she got other heroes on the job.
And before when Adrien was stuck as himself and unable to transform he was very much okay with the idea of Ladybug swooping in rescuing everybody because he trusted her so much. And whenever he reassured somebody she will come it was always enthusiastic and confident. However, those times where different, it was just the two of them and in the end she needed him to finish the job, but now she is figuring it all out herself with other heroes and capturing the akuma.
Sad hours over now.
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buggachat · 3 years
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Also just shoutout to Adrien for awkwardly standing there in front of the camera pretending everything is okay as Audrey gets humiliated and it’s revealed Adrien only won the award because of his connections
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sweetjupiterr · 3 years
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ladybee? more like ladyBAE
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[ID: Two gifs from the show Miraculous: The Adventures of Ladybug and Chat Noir, from the episode Optigami.
The first gif shows Adrien Agreste as Chat Noir, a hero who wears a black outfit, with a black domino mask and black cat ears, glares at his phone as he hands up, snarling with his teeth bared and his hand trembling on the phone, “A two person team? There’s only one two person team, and that’s Ladybug and me!” He stands and spins around, lifting his weapon over his head with an exclamation of rage. He brings the weapon down on the chimney behind him, smashing it into dust. He stands, and glares down at the destruction.
The second gif shows Adrien’s father, Gabriel Agreste, a white man with grey hair, wearing a white and grey suit, and a red and white striped tie, standing inside the room of a mansion with a chandelier and expensive carpet in the background, holding an electronic tablet. He is shouting in rage, “Ladybug never makes a mistake!”, and is so angry he is trembling. His grip on the tablet is clenched so violently that the screen breaks, causing the image to glitch before the gif restarts.
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You know, even if they were doing this on purpose, and they were showing us these parallels between Adrien and Gabriel on purpose to show how Adrien’s behavior is getting worse and worse as the show goes on, because they’re doing it purposefully to give him a villainization arc.....
Even if we give them the benefit of the doubt, instead of assuming that this is pure, stupid, unintended irony, it is too gods damned late. Even if they miraculously plan to have Adrien become a villain and are going to portray his villainization arc as a bad thing, the damage has been fucking done.
They’ve spent four seasons telling children that sexual harassment is okay as long as it’s a rich white pretty boy doing it.
This is not some cinematic masterpeice where they’re showing us how far Adrien has fallen and how much farther he has left to fall.
This is the writers not knowing what the fuck they’re doing.
They show us Adrien lashing out violently in anger, in the same episode that they also showcase his father doing the exact thing.
It’d be great writing..........except at this point we all know it’s not. They didn’t do this on purpose.
They want us to like Adrien. They want us to think Adrien is a good person. They want us to think he’s perfect and the best hero who has ever existed.
Adrien is more like his father than he knows or any of his stans would like to admit, and the fact that the writers are showing us this by accident is just. fucking pathetic. And hilarious.
Anyways.
Yeah, it looks like the cycle of abuse is going to continue with Adrien happily leading the charge, because, as the show has told us multiple times now, out loud, the only person Adrien cares about himself. The only thing Adrien cares about is how he can have the most fun.
Even when that means hurting other people, even when that means sexually harassing the protagonist for four fucking seasons straight now. Even if that means endangering the lives of civilians, even if that means threatening to quit and sitting on his ass while people are drowning, even if that means he acts exactly the way a villain would, just by a different name.
Adrien Agreste is not a good person, and he’s literally not even deserving of the title “sidekick”. He can’t even be called an antihero, because that would require him to be a bad person on purpose as the point.
But no, the writers are racist white men who think sexual harassment and racism is hilarious.
I’ve said it before and I’ll keep saying it. The only reason Adrien Agreste isn’t a villain in this story is because it is written by racist white 45 year old men who think sexual harassment is the height of romance.
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