#order vs chaos

[marvelstars]

Star Wars: Darth Vader #6

There´s just something about the way Palpatine and Vader get so brutally honest with each other while at the same time keeping things to themselves that makes their interactions in the comics very compelling.

Here for example, Vader just discovered a group of enchanced human cyborgs who have been prepared for 20 years to replace him and yet his first thoguht is to see them as an "heresy" to the force because he´s still pretty much faithful to the force and he honestly sees them just like he saw the death star, abominations, technological terrors that go agaisnt the will of the force and the natural order in the galaxy.

Vader´s mentality is still that of a former Jedi who cares about the will of the force more than anything else, it makes sense because for 20 years he´s been isolated from everything except the force and while Palpatine, the Jedi and Vader himself may have forgotten, he´s still the chosen one whose main deal is about following and complying with the will of the force.

Palpatine answers him with anger, because how dare Vader complain to him when the tecnology used in those Cyborgs was the same he used to keep Vader alive? how dare he complain when he allowed him to live that way instead of letting him die? and makes the sugerence to Anakin that if he calls those cyborgs abominations then so is he, Vader doesnt answer but it´s implied that he pretty much sees himself as an abomination as well, why do you keep building abominations that go against the will of the force master? Then he´s also dissapointed at being replaced because yes, despite everything, he still sees Palpatine as a father figure while Palpatine sees it as completely natural because they are Sith and Vader may agree but that doesn´t mean he wants to go against his mastereven if it´s the way of the sith, he cares too much about him to do so, Vader doesn´t care much for this part of the way of the sith but I believe this started the drift between them, made bigger by Luke existence.

This may not seem that way but they are also arguing about the way of the sith being properly unnatural while Vader is of the mind that even as sith they don´t need to act in an unnatural way outside the force influence.

It´s just compelling the two main villains of the saga argue over their role and place in the universe and it tells much of the kind of characters they are, Vader sees himself as a force of order who follows the natural order of things and the will of the force while Palpatine sees himself as a force of change and power beyond the natural order but generally what he brings is chaos.

#darth vader #anakin skywalker #Emperor Palpatine #sheev palpatine #Darth Vader comics #the Sith trainwreck #This doesn´t make their relationship any less toxic but it can´t be said it isn´t compelling #Order vs Chaos #star wars #It´s fun to think how easy is for them to be brutally honest while Anakin and Obi-Wan never quite got to this level of honesty even if it #would have made their relationship way more healthier #“I am impressed to see you act outside MY system” Palpatine´s way of saying to Vader he´s glad he´s overcoming his depression

[ankewehner]

I wonder into how many categories I can sort Things That Are Lying Around.

I want this lying around always, because I use it often, and it's more convenient to have it out in the open than not.

I want this lying around temporarily, because I want to use it Soon. (e.g. fibre craft WIPs, materials for something I want to start)

I want to put it away; I know where it belongs, and it's easy to put it there.

I want to put it away, I know where it belongs, but it's a pain to put it there (e.g. because there's a heap of other stuff in front of the cabinet it belongs in, or I need to get a ladder to reach the box on top of the wardrobe it belongs in)

I want to keep it, but it has no Place To Live yet.

I don't want to keep it, but it would be a waste to throw away, so I kinda have to find a way to get it to someone who will use it.

This is unusable, but it needs to be taken somewhere for recycling and shouldn't go in the trash (e.g. dead electronics, LEDs or batteries, or glass bottles/jars)

This is trash or paper/plastic/metal recycling. JUST THROW IT AWAY

Bonus: I know it's silly to keep it, but I want to keep it anyway.

#personal #order vs chaos #lists #categories

[avatar216]

When I was outside the other day leaving an offering to the gods, I started really thinking about why I personally don't like/subscribe to thinking about the Æsir's conflicts with each other or the Jõtnar as order vs chaos or good vs evil, even though the former is a commonly accepted rebuttal to the latter in arguments. I've accepted that order vs chaos is still just another way to hold on to Christian dualism in some way and the classical model as @skaldish says in one of his posts. I agree with him that the Norse gods are characters first unlike the Greek gods in many ways. I usually look at Loki and the others as beings whose actions are just that actions and beings who have events happen in their lives rather than actions being viewed as aspects of the gods, like Loki's so-called world breaker aspect. I personally feel like this type of thinking can diminish Loki's reasons for leading an army of the Jõtnar and/or dead humans against his fellow gods. I don't think one can really compare Loki to say Eris or Seth who both really embody chaos in the sense that they love to confuse and make discord but yet are measured counter points to positively chaotic beings like Apep and Typhon. I know I'm not alone in thinking this way. It's just not something I see too often in online groups.

To me, Loki in the myths (and in my UPG) comes across as stubborn, impulsive, mischievous, easily made angry, willing enough to fix his or others' fuck ups, cunning, deceitful, a bit foolish, self-confident, down right brazen, quick on his feet, serious when shit gets real, and may be kinda lonely or at least he likes attention a lot but not praise. He doesn't seem to want power much either. I try to avoid using God of x terminology in describing him because for me it doesn't answer the who in the question but rather the what of the question. I could describe him as a god of theft/plunder, war, leadership, deceit, cunning, slander, treachery, and betrayal among other things but that doesn't really explain what he acts like in myth or in my experience with him in dreams. In those he's blond and weirdly serious. The reason I'm explaining this is because I don't think labels and categories like order vs chaos really fit deities like Loki who are complex, confusing, and nuanced and whose actions can't be neatly sorted into boxes. Labels don't seem to stick for very long, I've noticed, when it comes to Loki. A lot of gods could be associated with these same things but that doesn't mean Loki is an equivalent to them. I would say Seth is a chaos god through and through but there's a lot more to him. However, he loves to do the things that fall under the definition of chaos like being confusing and random hence why I and others call him a chaos god. The Ancient Egyptians also did have a clear concept of Order vs Chaos. This isn't a modern projection of dichotomy.

I think we're really influenced not by Christianity, but Greek mythology in the way we approach understanding the gods and myths so far as thinking of gods as having governing domains rather than as beings with certain interests, lives, likes, dislikes, and jobs they do voluntarily. I also wish there was more out there talking about Norse mythology's big thing with the physical and biological sides of things like the world being made out of the body. Different body parts representing the cosmos. Body parts and trees being used for divination purposes etc. I think I agree with Dr. Crawford that a lot of certain concepts probably wouldn't even make sense in Old Norse, because it's a strongly concrete language.

#ramblings #heathenry #loki deity #norse myth #order vs chaos #chaos vs order #norse paganism

[hplovecraftmuseum]

Perhaps oddly considering the nature of his fiction, Lovecraft's personal values were extremely conservative, ordered, steeped in tradition, and exceptionally moralistic. He loved sunsets, Classical Architecture, despised drunkenness, or obscene language. He believed both men and women should dress and act within extreme moralist restraints. Lovecraft respected logic, rationality, honor, truth and straitforward business practices. In almost every matter his fiction reflects concepts that are utterly in contrast to these ideals- ideals he suffered mightily to maintain in his own life! (Exhibit 271)

#lovecraft #morality #tradition #order vs chaos

[hecticelectron]

A few years ago, I made a third-party adventure for Dungeon Crawl Classics RPG, called “Prison of the Mad Gods.” It’s a 0-level funnel. A group of villagers finds an interdimensional prison on top of a hill, which lets them travel to different planes. Here are some of the drawings I made for it—they contain spoilers, so don’t look through all of them if you want to play it.

DCC RPG is a lot of fun. I leaned into the gonzo weirdness of the game. Maybe I’ll do a follow-up some day. In the meantime, you can get this adventure on my website, or from Goodman Games!

#dcc #dccrpg #order #chaos #order vs chaos

[shallowstories]

The story of the chicken and the black snake

NOTES FOR LATER:

1. Fun substitution stories: It bears a lot of similarities to the story of Zeus and the stone substitution. Zeus was supposed to be killed soas not to challenge ranking deity, who kept eating and damning any and all rival gods to his cosmic belly. Cosmic kings eat their rivals and their children in order to grow in power. The goal is to damn them to food, to becoming sources OF power, not challenges TO power.

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2. Ineffective usurper God narratives: Cas tried to muster up "godly/creative" power by following the footsteps of cosmic paidophagy. By swallowing the Purgatorial souls and Leviathans, he became the black snake, and like all aggressive gods that try to entomb power by consuming others' children, he would arouse the mother's anger and fail.

The devilishly clever mother, knowing the usurper God is not efficiently boundless as she is, and is not strong enough Void, plants and incites a battle from within. This deception is typically wrought by enticing the predator to swallow poison (or a stone or a hardboiled egg), or by imbuing the children with secret strength to allow them to violently burst forth and overpower their father. So it was with Primordial Eve, hiding her her "bomb" from within, that would tear the inefficient God asunder.

Ergo, the Leviathans are the egg, Eve/Tiamat is the chicken, and Cas was the black snake in whose corpse the hidden children would feast upon. God overcome.

It's a cheeky reference to what Yahweh/or other culture hero god did to them, exploding and feasting upon the bodies of Leviathan as world nourishment to "create the world." Castiel's sundering is symbolically "Zeus as ineffective container" (or "Kronos as ineffective container"), bursting forth in an extremely violent reversal of Yahweh's original Leviathan victory. Cas can rouse chaos. But as "Heaven/Sky only," he cannot contain it.

This is because Cas is not a creator god, so in order to Wield Power of God, he must be facilitated by joining forces with Earth or other allies (Sam, Dean, Meg; later, Kelly Kline) in order to Complete the Circle. (When Cas turns his back on allies of Hell and Crowley, he effectively dooms himself.)

Cas "Heaven" cannot complete the circle "crown" alone. It is the Love and Healing, not War-making, that allows a more complete joining with his allies. (Image by LLA).

Interestingly, SPN 12x19 The Future (above GIF) is full of circle motifs because Jack is emerging into the Universe.

Jack, on the other hand, is much, much fuzzier in terms of his abilities. He's so strong that he embodies Both Modes (Earth AND Heaven, Human AND Angel). Jack is vast and boundless; Cas is not and never has been. That's why Jack is able to become God, but Cas is one-half-of-God/needing-allies, or else an ineffective solitary "culture hero" locked in eternal narrative of warfare without any real gains.

Castiel is more effective when he shares power/burdens and joins forces with his human family. (This manifests as, "support me and stand behind me 100%" VS "fight alongside me and don't be afraid to air your disagreements." It also manifests in the hiding of key details of the fights in order to "spare" them the burden of war's ugliness.)

Unfortunately, he tends to reach to share power with fellow angels on high, like Lucifer and Chuck, and that just leads to more of the same, ineffective "bright" wars. Ironically, it is his failing to share burdens (with his own rebel angels, Crowley, sometimes even Sam and Dean) that cause his most extreme losses.

Hell, Heaven, and Earth are most powerful when linked together; and they are weakest when ripped apart. Still, that isn't enough on its own, because they need to be linked together in peace, not isolation and aggression. (This is why Heaven, Earth, and Hell do not overcome Amara. Only choosing peace and reconciliation does. And yet, even that reconciliation is incomplete, because the light and the dark become too isolated from Heaven and Earth, cascading down into Lucifer's heartbreak and Dean's loss of Heaven in season 13's speech, "You said the earth would be fine, but it's not.")

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3. Cas as culture hero: We see more power struggles at play in season 15 when Cas returns to Purgatory, where Leviathan corpses are again linked to blossoming of godly power, specifically the power to take down God (reference to the Classic Chaoskampf). Corpses of Leviathan are symbolic of Yawheh's (El's) original victory.

In Supernatural, the Leviathan were defeated/banished by the uniting of Cas and Dean against them. This is why their reconciliation is a key component of defeating God. United, perhaps they can take down God. It's why in 15x09 The Trap's deleted scene/alternate future/victory, they arrive marching in tandem, with the specter of the Double Diamond casino representing their combined pragmaticism. (However, as with all war, even when you WIN, you LOSE.)

Another interesting thing about Purgatory, though, is that Tiamat/Eve does not appear to be hunting down Dean. She's hunting down Cas, for "killing her Alphas and predatorially swallowing [her children]." Cas is characterized within the landscape as "Bright" and "Orderly," the eternal threat to her chaotic children.

Cas's characteristics of being Awake and bringing both Narrative and Meaning to The Empty also make him an eternal threat to the Cosmic Void, the Shadow. Cas imposes Limits/Order/Rebellion on the boundless forces, but he is independent enough to be flexible (unlike Death/Billie/Dean who swung too close to Order at the end of the series). These qualities liken Cas to Order and Disorder, "the spanner in the works," and he functions as The Great Escapist, which likens him more closely to the culture hero. (Which is why to so many astute viewers, Cas feels like not just A Main Character, but The Main Character.) In bringing Cas to such high highs (Superman, puppet God, angelic warrior) and such low lows (object of ridicule and scorn and emasculation), and such a wise middle of the road (renewed faith and values, finding strength IN weakness), they've accidentally transformed him to true protagonist.

Ergo with respect to Eve/Tiamat and The Empty/Void, Castiel IS the real cosmic culture hero. (Sam and Dean are culture heroes in their own right, but of Earth, so they can be heroes when aided by God/Heaven/"Equalizer" favors).

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Jack is triparted God, the same as he represents Sam and Dean and Cas. He's also the egg and the chicken and the snake.

But when you try to be all things, as Dean tried to be all things (re: his conversation with Mary in season 12), you effectively became nothing. "It's not fair!"

#theme ideas #the story of the black snake #usurper gods + ineffective voids #cas + usurper #jack + usurper #culture hero #order vs chaos #cas vs eve #cas vs the empty #fic ideas #wish i could've woven sam in more

[olliveen]

why have all artfight themes lately been "edgy team" and "normal team". hero team and dark team. emo team and well-adjusted human being team

#first it was dream vs nightmare now this #cyberpunk vs steampunk too kind of #even sugar vs spice had a clear edgy team #but also all of the other options for this years theme like: creation vs destruction #heroes vs villains #order vs chaos #anyway i dont know which team i want this year hm #ollie.txt

[jamietukpahwriting]

I was acutely aware of this for the next forty-five minutes, as I finished the work day with them so close by, excitedly planning away. I focused on my packing, getting the tissue wrapped just right, clearly labeling each bin with its contents. Everything in its place, just as it should be, even as this crazy, last-minute event came together only steps away. But as they left at five, still chattering excitedly, and I locked up alone, I couldn't help feeling like I'd lost. What, though, at least this time, I couldn't say.

Once and For All by Sarah Dessen

#writeblr #bookblr #books #book quotes #quotes #once and for all #sarah dessen #once and for all quotes #fiction #realistic fiction #contemporary fiction #romance #summer romance #weddings #wedding planning #summer jobs #second chances #bets #wagers #order vs chaos #coming of age #coming of age books #coming of age novels #ya #ya fiction #ya realistic fiction #ya contemporary fiction #ya romance #ya novels #young adult

[therandomavenger]

I like to joke that I am a chaos goblin, and in most ways that's true. But one place it's absolutely not true is in my approach to my work. There, I funnel the chaos in my mind into some semblance of order.

I've already written about my approach to plotting, how I have to have a plan before I start a project and how I revise that plan several times as I go along (case in point my post earlier today). But there's another thing some people recommend that I absolutely cannot do.

I can't write scenes out of order. Everything is written in the order it will appear in the book. Sometimes i play with timelines, and in those cases I write them still in the order they will appear in the final project. If scenes move around, it is on my board before I ever write them.

My brain is chaotic..I feel like I need to pour it out into a solid container before I can make anything useful from what's in there. I guess I'm kind of a lawful good when it comes to my writing.

#writing #adhd #order vs chaos

[mister-killjoy]

Guarda "Total War: WARHAMMER III - Immortal Empires Launch Trailer" su YouTube

#Total War Warhammer III #Immortal Empires #Order vs Chaos #Games #Amazing #Emperor Karl Franz #Youtube

[hiroshotreplica]

everyone talks about how ahct looking white was shocking to them but tbh eight (person in the back) being THIS pale was what got to me

#rambling #side order spoilers #side order #also chaos vs order gear jumpscare in this image..hi #i know 8 can have any skin color but like i thought itd line up w/ the official renders..

[mothfrye]

Quick Flashback to the FinalFest winner announcement :)

#splatoon #splatoon 2 #chaos vs order #pearlina #off the hook #pearl houzuki #marina ida #splatoon splatfest

[local-queer-disappointment]

god splatoon 2 chaos vs order was so funny in hindsight. literally just

pearl: so I've been thinking off the hook should do different genres of music or go on tour or something

marina, looking directly into the camera, covered in tears and snot, sobbing so violently she looks like she's going to throw up: GUYSS I THIJNK MMY GIRWLFRIEDN IS BVREAKIN G UP WIUTH MEEEEE

#the invocation of splatfest law was world class pettiness tho after that i can see why she was worried #the sillies #love them though <3 #pearlina #splatoon #splatoon 2 #chaos vs order #splatfest #lesbians

[duviten]

chaos redraw

#chaos vs order.... good times.. #slaying with my enperry dualies (i miss u dearly) and fighting for my life to get to pearl first (i also miss u dearly) #the 2019 pic is the first thing I ever drew on my ipad #splatoon #fanart #ten

[heddailler]

Still thinking about the scene where Fish shoots Maroni ending the domination of traditional mafia families of the first season and beginning the era of "madness" and "costumed freaks" that defines the rest of the show

#gotham #I think she's kinda the best new invention of the show and a cool addition to/alternative version of batman lore #she's made integral to the core of crime and chaos vs justice and order that is at the heart of the show and of most batman media #ya know what i mean? #fish mooney

[one-time-i-dreamt]

I was playing Splatoon 1 and the ink was metallic for some reason like in Chaos Vs Order.

#dream #splatoon #splatoon 1 #game #gaming #chaos Vs order