#other than fundy or quackity but considering they only just betrayed schlatt that would be a little underwhelming imo

[eclairslein]

Why Technoblade is an unreliable narrator

I’ve seen a lot of viewers idolizing c!Technoblade and saying it didn’t make sense that Tommy left him in the end. I watch Technoblade’s streams, but also everyone else’s. I think there’s a lot of overlap in viewers who idolize him and those who don’t have any context other than what comes from his character’s POV. As someone who has watched all POV’s here is why I disagree that “Technoblade has done no wrong” “Techno helps everyone and just gets betrayed” and “Tommy backstabbed Techno!”

I disagree with all of these statements and I don’t think c!Technoblade is a victim despite his personal monologue insinuating that. Let’s start at the beginning.

Technoblade joined to help Wilbur and Tommy with the intention of taking down Shlatt. He preached for anarchy and chaos. Although he was clear about the from the beginning, the people he was allied with didn’t agree with that. Wilbur was driven to that point AFTER Technoblade had already been allied with them. Tommy NEVER wanted to “destroy all government” his goal was always just to take down Shlatt and return to his home. Technoblade ignored the wishes of his only two allies and continued to entertain the idea in his own head of completely destroying L’Manberg. That was never an agreement, he made that decision on his own AGAINST the will of his only friends, Tommy and Wilbur.

Technoblade, on the other hand, was keeping secrets from them. He had withers prepared before they even put Tubbo in charge. Behind all of their backs he conspired with Wilbur and DREAM to destroy L’Manberg just as soon as they’d won it back. That is betrayal. No one betrayed Technoblade because they never promised him anarchy in the first place.

This is where his narration becomes unreliable. In his speech he brings up making all the gear for his new allies and then them betraying him when they used that gear to take back L’Manberg. He called that a betrayal even though it was CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS WERE ( the beginning being when Quackity and the others joined Pogtopia to help Tommy and the intentions being stopping L’Manberg’s destruction by Wilbur and ending Schlatt’s administration ). Technoblade calling this a betrayal is delusional.

The second thing his character is unreliable about is his “retirement.” When Technoblade set withers upon L’Manberg he caused pain and destruction, but also ultimately committed crimes against L’Manberg. He also vowed to them before disappearing into the wilderness that he would continue to destroy the government. When the Butcher Army arrived at his doorstep asking to answer for his crimes he claimed to be in retirement. Fleeing from a crime scene and then not committing crimes for awhile doesn’t excuse you from the original crime. Butcher Army coming for Technoblade was not entirely unreasonable the way c!Technoblade paints it to be. Technoblade was a war criminal and a threat and it made perfect sense for them to pursue him. Putting Phil under house arrest crossed a line, but going after Technoblade was not unreasonable for L’Manberg to do.

As for Technoblade’s relationship with Tommy in particular this is something that c!Technoblade is completely deluded about. Pogtopia days, Tommy did consider Technoblade a friend. The one thing that changed that was when Technoblade worked with Wilbur and Dream to BLOW UP LMANBERG. The ONE THING Tommy fought for, at least at the time. Technoblade dropped Tommy as soon as he realized that working with Wilbur and Dream (behind the backs of Tommy and everyone else) would get him his personal goal of anarchy. He betrayed Tommy first when he made that decision.

When Tommy holed up in Technoblade’s basement, Tommy stayed because Techno told him that he’d help him get the discs back. But Tommy was clear with Techno the whole time that he didn’t want to do anything to hurt Tubbo. Tommy always said no to plans that would hurt Tubbo, Technoblade would brush him off constantly and say things along the lines of “we’ll work out the details later.” Tommy never budged on not wanting to hurt Tubbo, despite Technoblade’s constantly insisting that Tubbo is bad and didn’t care about Tommy.

Technoblade was breeding anger and feelings of betrayal in Tommy in trying to convince him his best friend didn’t care about him, the same thing Dream was doing the weeks before while Tommy was in Logstedshire. Convincing Tommy that he didn’t really belong in L’Manberg was the only way to make him pliable and useful to both Technoblade and Dream. By pushing on Tommy that he should leave his friends (L’Manberg) behind, they were turning him into a bad guy. A person only motivated my personal gain (the discs) and that cares for no one.

After threatening Fundy, Technoblade told Tommy that he finally had respect for him. Finally believing that Tommy didn’t care about his old friends in L’Manberg anymore and was solely motivated by the discs, he revealed his plans to destroy L’Manberg. Tommy never agreed to this and was frankly horrified that what happened between him and Wilbur was happening again. He had no where to go and stayed with Technoblade but expressed clear discomfort in Techno’s plans to destroy L’Manberg.

Now for what Techno calls “Tommy’s final betrayal.” When Tommy stands by Tubbo at the community house and leaves Technoblade. To show why this was completely justified on Tommy’s part I’m going to draw comparisons to one of my favorite works of fiction: Avatar The Last Airbender. At the end of Book 2: Earth Zuko betrays Iroh and returns with Azula to the Fire Nation. Zuko’s time there makes him realize that he cares more about doing the right thing and being the PERSON HE WANTS TO BE than staying with his family and hurting people. Tommy leaves Technoblade for the same reason Zuko leaves Azula. Tommy does not want to be the type of person that would stay with Techno.

Tommy and Tubbo were in a screaming match. After Tommy regurgitated line after line that Dream and Techno had been feeding him. “You left me to die!” and all that jazz about choosing L’Manberg over him. The thing that stopped it was Tommy saying “ Those discs were worth more than you ever were!” Everyone went silent. Tommy stopped everything and realized that he had become a deplorable person and he was saying things he didn’t really mean. Caring more about discs than his friendship w Tubbo was Dreams plan all along and exactly what Technoblade had been feeding him. Tommy dropped everything to stand by Tubbo because he was mature enough to realize that he was the farthest he had ever been from the person the wanted to be, and the closest to being the villains he had been fighting his whole life. Whether it was intentional or not, Technoblade was the person who drove him to become that person. Dream started it, but Technoblade finished the job.

Technoblade felt betrayed, Tommy left him. But it was the only thing Tommy could do and still hold on to the person he wanted to be. Tommy cares about his friends, Tommy has been with L’Manberg since the beginning and has always done what he could to save those he cared about even if it meant personal sacrifice. That’s who Tommy is. The Tommy that Technoblade wanted to be allies with was a person who would help hurt and destroy L’Manberg. Someone who cared more about discs than his lifelong friends. That Tommy never really existed, he was always uncomfortable with Technoblade’s revenge plans. If Technoblade really listened to Tommy, and cared about what he thought, he would know that Tommy could never be the cold heartless person that Technoblade could use to achieve his personal revenge on L’Manberg.

Ultimately, the Tommy that Technoblade needed to help him and/ or stand by and watch him destroy L’Manberg doesn’t exist. It goes against everything that has been established about who Tommy is and what motivates him. To stay true to himself, Tommy could not possible stay with Technoblade and become a stubborn, cold hearted, vengeful person.

That “betrayal” was the most mature decision Tommy has ever made in canon and I WONT STAND BY AND LET YALL SAY IT WAS UNJUSTIFIED JUST BECAUSE IT WASNT WAHT TECHNOBLADE WANTED.

Technoblade is a villain, just because he has a reason for wanting to blow up and destroy everything doesn’t make him a better person for it. He is not moral and never has been. His goal from the beginning has been taking something so many people cared about, L’Manberg, and destroying it because he, personally, is an anarchist. That is an ideology, but it is not the only one. Technoblade wanting to destroy L’Manberg is pushing his values onto others through force and makes him more of a tyrant than every leader of L’Manberg combined. He is flawed just like every other character. The difference that I see is that his character never reflects and admits any wrongdoing on his own part, only blaming others for not agreeing with him and ultimately leaving him.

#dream smp #tommyinnit #Technoblade #dsmp spoilers #dsmp tommy #dsmp #mcyt #techno apologist

[enigmaticvariation]

Who’s the traitor?

Here’s a legitimate analysis of who I think the traitor might be instead of me just being nostalgic for SMP Earth. The only thing we have to go by right now is that it’s a person who’s siding with Pogtopia and it would be surprising. I will be going through all the relevant people and ranking them from least to most likely, (in my opinion.)  Let’s get started.

Quackity - This is objectively the worst option. Quackity’s entire arc is about how he just wanted to make a change and improve society but instead got trapped in a toxic relationship where he was mistreated and not taken seriously. He’s left that behind and is trying to move past it, so to just have him go back to his abuser would just be shitty writing and kind of gross. 

Eret - This just makes no sense. He’s already betrayed L’manberg once and he clearly regretted it. He’s been very vocal about wanting to fight against Schlatt, and it would just be out of character.

Ponk, BBH, Awesamdude - While these guys are slowly becoming more plot relevant, I seriously doubt it would be any of them. The traitor is almost certainly someone with more plot relevance and emotional ties to the main characters. if any of them betrayed the main characters it wouldn’t feel much like a betrayal.

Niki - Niki has been one of the few characters in this story who has opposed Schlatt all along. She has been incredibly vocal about this, and has rebelled against him since the moment he took office. It would be surprising sure, but incredibly out of character.

Wilbur - I feel like despite being such a loose canon of a character, he would be a fairly unlikely option. I was watching from his perspective and he seemed genuinely surprised when Dream was talking about the traitor, and really annoyed that Dream wasn’t on his side any more. It also wouldn’t be that good of a twist, considering his constantly fluctuating sense of morality.

Fundy - This would make sense character wise. Fundy’s been scorned and shoved aside by his father his whole life. He was spying for Schlatt as a way to make his father proud, but when he gave his father the materials to defeat Schlatt he was shoved aside once more. He’s bitter. Also, he’d probably rather side with his fiancee who loves and respects him rather than his shitty dad. The only reason he’s so low down is because it seems to expected. One of those things Tumblr and Twitter predicted 2 months ago. While I wouldn’t necessarily mind this, I feel like there’s a better option.

Tommy - Tommy has a lot of reason to betray Wilbur. He’s been treated pretty badly and his opinions have been ignored. I can easily imagine a world where he would make a deal with Dream and help him as a way to get L’manberg back. He could also be trying to get the discs back, which is ultimately one of the things he cares about the most. I’ve seen lots of great analysis on this. It would also be a good, surprising twist, the scorned hero turned to the dark side. I’m not convinced it’s him though because he is a very black and white thinker, he firmly believes in good and evil. While he has a lot of reason to, I don’t know if he would actually betray his friends. 

Technoblade - This is one of the most likely options but simultaneously one of the worst options. Wilbur has been convinced that Techno was going to betray him since day one and Techno literally said that he wouldn’t hesitate to betray Pogtopia just to make the final battle a fair fight. Every single person in mcytblr instantly predicted that Techno was going to betray Wilbur and Tommy, literally the moment he joined the server. It’s very likely, but it would be a bad twist. Dream said that the traitor would be the person we would least expect, so while Techno is a very likely option, it would be very much expected. I really don’t want him to be the traitor. I would take almost anything over him, I want a good twist.

Philza - I know a lot of people are saying that it’s stupid to think that he’s the traitor when he isn’t even whitelisted, but hear me out. We all want Phil on the server, we want him to beat some sense into Wilbur and save Tommy and Tubbo from the war zone they had been trapped in. Imagine though, if he joined the server and immediately sided against Wilbur. It would make sense though, he’s been very resistant against Wilbur’s actions. I think it would be most likely if he was the traitor along with Technoblade. It would be a nice call back to SMP Earth and Phil and Technoblade are an incredibly chaotic duo when they come together. It’s a bit unlikely, but it would be the best twist and a great opportunity to get Phil on the server.

Tubbo - Tubbo is the most likely traitor in my opinion. Despite his common front of being a sweet and naive person, he is one of the most morally grey characters on the smp. He will not hesitate to mess with people, destroy things, and is generally a pretty good liar. It would also be very in character. He’s been manipulated and pushed around by practically every person on the server, and he’s surely about to snap. He’s been treated just as bad by Wilbur as by Schlatt. He also lied about having the discs, which was quite suspicious. One of the few reasons why Tubbo might not be the traitor though is Tommy. Despite being morally grey and also lying about the discs I’m not sure that he would betray Tommy.  They made a pact that they would always trust each other and generally have a very codependent relationship. That is why I think that the true traitor is not 1, but 2 people.

Tommy and Tubbo - I said Tubbo was the most likely traitor, but I think that Tommy and Tubbo together would be the best option. Dream said there was a traitor, but as far as I know he never explicitly stated that he was talking about just one person. They would probably make a deal together with Dream either for the discs or to get L’manberg back. It would also be very likely that they would work with Dream but betray him as well. It would be a Good Omens situation, Tommy and Tubbo being their own side and not strictly aligned with the already established sides. This would be good, Tommy and Tubbo were thrust into a war zone at a young age. They’ve spent the entire story being lied to and manipulated by the adults in their lives, and I think they deserve to go apeshit and fuck those guys up, you know, as a treat.

#mcyt #mcyt analysis #dream smp #dream smp analysis #long post #analysis #quackity #dreamwastaken #jschlatt #tommyinnit #tubbo #wilbur soot #eret #nihachu #philza #technoblade #fundy #ponk #badboyhalo #awsamdude #wow I mentioned a lot of people #I worked really hard on this and I would greatly appreciate it if you took the time to read it

[the-redeemed-anon]

Another day another post including c!Wilbur in big bad manipulators list with c!Dream and c!Quackity and i go "huh, is he tho?"

Like genuienly i would want to know, bc to me at least all like c!Wilburs "attempts at manipulation" were like.. blandly obvious and not that well executed?

Not enough to secure him the position of a Big Bad Manipulator Who had an Overarching Big Plan Before This Specific Interaction and Knows What He's Doing.

Bc most ppl who call Wilbur a manipulator point to this quote here

“Tommy, literally have you not noticed? Everyone who’s claiming to be on our side, they’re lying to us! Tubbo?! He’s lying to you man! He would drop us at the second he realises we’re not in the lead anymore!”

But like... this is like clearly c!Wilbur having a paranoid breakdown and unloading all the stress fear and worries that got progressively worse during pogtopia to c!Tommy. c!Tommy def didn't have tools to handle that and like shoudnt be expexted to but its not manipulative?? Of c!Wilbur?? At all??

Like the only two instances that i remember that like can be called manipulative is maybe this??

“It’s nothing, it’s nothing important. I just wanted to say that- I think you can come back from what you’ve said, you know. I’m just saying now, there is a chance that you could be President, you know, you could be- you could definitely get an executive power in the remains of L’Manberg. You could definitely be a leader of that, I have no issue with that. But, you need to understand that you’re gonna have to get on my good side, and I, you know.”

And the recent stone collection thing with c!tommy?

Im asking bc i can be blantly missing something but? I dont think i am?

- Music Anon!

Music Anon, you're back with another interesting topic!

Okay so I may have another perspective than most on the "Then let's be the bad guys" scene because, as I've said before, I have paranoid thoughts, so, for me, it's much much easier to put myself in Wilbur's shoes in that moment.

So, as far as I remember in Pogtopia, I would coin Wilbur's behaviour as persuasive. He was trying to persuade Tommy to his side, something that Tommy was free to ignore and not accept. Manipulation and persuasion are very tricky to tell apart, because it's two things that are very similar, and you can't tell them apart that easily. You know how all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares? Same thing here. All manipulation is persuasive, but not all persuasion is manipulative. There is a fine line between the two.

I googled it before I wanted to respond to this ask, but from what I gathered, you can tell persuasion from manipulation by these factors: coercion, withholding of truth and intention.

I want to compare Wilbur's case with our most blatant example of manipulation, Dream. Especially since it's centered on the same character, Tommy:

Coercion. The Dictionary defines the term "coercion" as "the use of force to persuade someone to do something that they are unwilling to do". I do not remember any moment in Pogtopia where Tommy was forced to act against what he wanted to do. The way he spoke to Tommy was always open to Tommy rejecting his ideas, which happened quite a lot. It's another thing if later, Tommy, of his own volition, agreed to what Wilbur wanted, like blowing up Manberg at the Festival.

Dream, on the other hand, we see it a lot in Exile. The threats to Tommy's life. The hitting. He was forcing Tommy to stay in Logsted and give up his gear. That's one box ticked for Dream, zero for Wilbur so far.

Withholding of truth. Here I am as stumped as you are. I want someone, who thinks that the "Then let's be the bad guys" scene is manipulative, to tell me where Wilbur is withholding the truth. The President line? this one? [“Tommyinnit, you’re scared that people are gonna think differently of you. Tommy, when I said you’re never gonna be president, you gotta understand, that wasn’t a challenge, that’s true. You’re never gonna be president, Tommy. And I can hear it in your voice, you’re trying sound like you know what you’re doing, so that you can prove me wrong. Tommy, none of us know what we’re doing. We’re fucked, we were fucked the minute we were thrown out.” - (Wilbur’s video Am I the Villain?: 19:39)] or these? [“That guy Tubbo? You know? We love Tubbo… but he’s not on our side, is he? Let’s be honest. We act like he is, like, everyone’s always how like, oh it’s crazy how everyone’s against Schlatt.” - (Wilbur’s who are you go away: 1:12:57, 8th Oct)], [“Everyone’s always saying how like, oh it’s crazy how everyone’s against Schlatt. No one’s against Schlatt. Everyone’s pulling the biggest ruse on us. Literally, they’ve got us all by the fucking scruff of our necks.” - (Wilbur’s video Am I the Villain?: 17:59)], [“Tubbo’s like, ‘I’ll be your spy!’. And then we’ve got like Fundy who’s like saying to everyone’s twitch chats that he’s gonna revolt against us. And you’ve got Eret giving us fucking potatoes, that say fucking ‘I’m gonna be friends with you’. It’s bullshit! It’s all bullshit!” - (Wilbur’s video Am I the Villain?: 18:09)] Honestly someone tell me where Wilbur is withholding the truth here. I do not see it. He's just stating his opinion. I am someone who was around in Season 1, I watched Wilbur's POV only and I swear I thought too that Tubbo was a double agent for Manberg. I was sure of it. This is just Wilbur laying out his reasons to be paranoid and things he considers as true and his own opinions on matters. Opinions are not lies or truths. Telling Tommy that he will never be President, in his opinion, isn't a lie or the truth. It's just an opinion.

Meanwhile over in Dream's camp... Dream did withhold the truth. He lied about Tubbo's Compass, he lied about the Invitations, all of this he did to get Tommy to his lowest, to make him think that he is his only friend. This is the second box ticked for Dream, still none for Wilbur.

Intention. Here I need to talk about what paranoia is. Paranoia, to me, is a way of thinking fueled by fear. Wilbur's paranoia started because of the Final Control Room. Eret's betrayal deeply affected him, we can see it in quotes like this: [“Anyone caught in the crossfire is caught in the crossfire. That’s how it goes, you know? Eret especially, he is the most clear, the most clear cut traitor of them all. He was a traitor from the very get go. I have no, I have no remorse offing Eret.” - (Wilbur’s who are you go away: 1:41:22, 8th Oct)] Wilbur's paranoia started from a betrayal, therefore, Wilbur's paranoia is centered on people backstabbing him. Of course he would start spiraling into a rant about how everyone is out to get him. Especially after believing his own son betrayed him. So, why tell that to Tommy? Simple, really. I personally do it, too: he was reaching out for support. When I have doubt about my train of thought, I go to someone I trust, and they help me by walking me through it, to figure out if my thinking was rational or if it was paranoia. I think this is what he was trying to do with Tommy, because he trusted Tommy, but also it was an attempt of keeping him safe. I have talked before in my Eight analysis that Wilbur is a naturally protective person. I think Wilbur was attempting in part to shield Tommy from another shock from betrayal, attempt which didn't get across to Tommy. Tommy was and is a teenager and even back then he had his own worries. He just didn't have the resources to help Wilbur, or even understand what he was going through, and he can't be blamed, and while the scene may have been scary for him, I do not think Wilbur had malicious intent with it.

Meanwhile, Dream had malicious intent. He did what he did in an attempt to isolate Tommy, to make him feel alone, so he could swoop in and mold him into thinking he was his friend. This ticks off the last box, Dream was manipulating Tommy, while Wilbur was trying to be persuasive.

While I agree that Wilbur is dipping into manipulative territory with the stone bit, I would say that doesn't make him stand in the line-up of manipulators alongside Dream or Quackity. I do agree however that he is a big persuader and his power lies in how he uses words to convince others to agree with him and join him on a cause (as discussed above, this is not necessarily manipulation). I hope this analysis helped out!

As always, the quotes are from @kateis-cakeis' masterlist of Ghostbur/Wilbur quotes. It’s a goldmine of a resource for analyzing Wilbur and I highly encourage you to check it out.

#dream smp #dsmp #wilbur soot #dsmp wilbur #anon q&a #music anon #dream smp analysis #dsmp analysis #dream smp character analysis #dsmp character analysis

[shyrose57]

More Soul Eater AU:

Current weapons: Tubbo, Phil, Ranboo, Wilbur, Karl, Niki, Quackity, Skeppy, Ponk, Punz(?), and George. 

Current meisters: Tommy, Eret, Technoblade, Sapnap, Dream, Bad, Jack, Puffy, Purpled(?), Jschlatt, and Sam.

Alright, so yeah, Quackity’s going to be a weapon. In fact, he’s going to be like Tubbo, a multi-weapon. He can transform into a pike, a recurve bow, and a dividable chakram. Possibly more, he’s still learning. 

Why? Cause shapeshifter and weapon genes, obviously. 

However, almost nobody knows this. Few people do in general, and when he joined the server, and eventually the election, he decided to get to know everyone before he let it slip. So as far as the majority of the server is aware, he’s just a recurve bow. 

He did tell Tubbo though. The kid had just been separated from his meister and now had to deal with a bunch of stuff. It seemed a bit unfair, so he told him and helped him out, The two are close, even if their relationship is a bit strained after Doomsday. 

Despite being on a team with Sapnap and Karl, he mostly self-wields. Not really ready for a meister again, after Schlatt. He’s considering telling them about being a multi-weapon though.

Phil’s a scythe. Scythe fit better than claymore, and he self-wields more than not. 

Still lost on Wilbur, help.

Karl’s a fancy lantern, like with those fancy, ornate patterns, that hang from a metal staff? His lantern form is white, but the flames are usually the colors of his hoodie, and Sapnap can use him like a flamethrower, as well as fight with his staff. 

At the Masquerade, there were duels that involved making the fight look  beautiful and elegant as well as defeating your opponent to win, as a sort of party game, and James wielded him.  They won by a long shot, using Karl’s flames.

Niki’s a sabre, because it looks elegant, and I’m also pretty sure it’s a pirate sword, and Puffy becomes her meister, eventually. 

Skeppy is a pair of twin daggers, because Bad’s a knife thrower, and he literally’s a diamond golem. So now he can be a pair of diamond daggers too. He uses this to cause trouble, repeatedly. 

At least he did. After the egg, he isn’t often see in his weapon form, and when he is, he almost seems weaker. 

(Are his blades...cracked...?)

No idea what Ponk is either, but Purpled wields him in fights, until he and Sam partner up, maybe?

George is a long bow. In weapon form, arrows made of energy are formed to attack a target. They can also conduct a soul wavelength, allowing it to be shot out to attack the target. 

Tubbo’s gonna be a xiphos sword for his third form. I like the parallels too much, and it leads to some angst later on with Tommy trying not to be Theseus and refusing to use that form, so that’s fun. 

Several ideas ideas for Purpled and Punz. One being that Purpled and Punz are kind of like Maka, being both meisters and weapons. They used to wield each other back in the day, but have grown distant sense. 

Or, both weapons able to wield each other because of the bond. Sword and shield, maybe? To match? But this would mean Tommy’s technically the only meister of the minors, which is kind of meh..

The third is simple enough. Purpled’s a meister, and Punz is a weapon. Simple, and not complicated, and evenly divides the minors. 

All the minors can wield each other. Their soul wavelengths are all incredibly compatible, so if push comes too shove, well, these four have each other’s back.

Because the minors need to be closer and support each other, guys. Honestly. 

Also, the thought of them all performing a Team Resonance is cool, so.

After Eret betrayed Wilbur, he wouldn’t let anyone wield him afterwards, no matter what. It also led to him doubting and second guessing himself more often. Acting as Eret’s weapon, shouldn’t he have known what they were planning? Shouldn’t he have been able to see?

Schlatt being a former meister of his did not help when he and Tommy were kicked out. 

George was cursed by a witch before the SMP, it’s why he sleeps so much.

Dream can inflict Madness. How? I dunno yet, but he can.

Kishins aren’t common here, but the few that do come into being are usually mobs that manage to kill other mobs and take their souls. These kishin mobs are usually undead ones, though you get the occasional creeper and spider kishin too. The undead ones don’t have souls to feed on, so unless you were a death weapon before, chances are you won’t become one on the Smp with a lack of kishin souls.

Think I’m gonna make Fundy a witch, if only to put him at odds with George, who doesn’t like witches, because again, one cursed him. Then they can get over their dislike of each other and bond over Dream being a jerk. Maybe even pair up?

#dream smp #dream smp au #Soul Eater AU #tubbo #tommy #ranboo #philza #technoblade #wilbur soot #karl jacobs #niki nihachu #fundy #quackity #purpled #eret #georgenotfound #punz #skeppy #badboyhalo #dreamwastaken #sapnap

[appleflavoredkitkats]

So you wanna rant about Fundy?

hello dot thank u for making me able to rely on you for always giving me the floor for fundy brainrot

tw: suicide, self-deprecation, death, nightmares

this is gonna be incoherent bc im about to sleep but here's a bulleted list of shit that's been running rampant in my head:

something about fundy being the only one to sign the las nevadas contract will always make me suspicious of how quackity views fundy. because if fundy's main asset is loyalty, he wouldn't have to worry about fundy being bound by las nevadas rules… unless he suspects that there's a risk of fundy betraying las nevadas which is honestly?? a good possibility

as much as we know wilbur and fundy, there's also like… so much we don't know. we've seen the negatives of their relationship a lot, but i feel like there's a bigger picture we're missing here. more backstory, more pre-l'manbergian revolutionary war stuff that can give more depth to their relationship, you know?

not fundy-centric but fundy-adjacent: GURL WHAT THE FUCK IS THE LAS NEVADAS TIMELINE? like, tommy dies, sam feels guilty, but when do the las nevadas members join? when are all the slime-related lore scenes set? when do the horsemen appear in this timeline? if the horsemen existed pre-las nevadas episode 3, THEN WHO ARE THESE ALLIES OF QUACKITY? *shakes quackity* GIVE ME ANSWERS DUCK MAN

(or maybe i'll rewatch the episodes and try piecing this together myself)

thinking about the “fundy lost a second canon life during doomsday preparations” theory because it makes SENSE. fundy's breakdown felt little sudden, right? well, if he went to the guardian farm and supposedly commit suicide, maybe he did it in a way to test how many people actually would search for him. and when there was none… that's when he gets mad. IT JUST MAKES SENSE AND GIVES MORE DEPTH TO FUNDY'S MOTIVATION OF “doing everything because he has nothing left to lose” YOU KNOW

fundy depends his self-worth on how much he doesn't fuck up a country (he's mentioned how he feels like l'manberg's downfall was his fault), so if… if las nevadas was potentially blown up by wilbur and ranboo, fundy could just. possibly end up worse because he would blame himself

if fundy's memory is genuinely bad, quackity invoking what memories fundy should remember might like. you know, be kind of dangerous because fundy could possibly be a blank slate rn, and all quackity is doing is molding fundy into the guy he wants him to be

BUT ALSO— quackity giving fundy all the time he needs to “find himself” will always be so interesting to me! balances out quackity prioritizing his personal goals AND his genuine care for others. like yes, quackity will take any opportunity he can with fundy—which is why he pushes—but there's something about how quackity still gives him so, so much time to decide on his decision that makes me just. be intrigued by quackity. and las nevadas in general!

haha anyway are we gonna talk about the endstone in fundy's first dream or what

i've also been thinking about schlatt? and the possibility that quackity is making deals with schlatt to do more supernatural deeds? like i feel like fundy's dreams HAVE to be caused by something. somewhat lowkey considering that quackity himself made it into fundy's dreams via schlatt's help, who knows! it'd make sense because if a future fundy was able to contact past fundy, he'd need the ability to, and it feels like this ability is moreso granted to people than just… spontaneous

when fundy and wilbur meet up, i expect it to go like this: wilbur will be genuinely proud of fundy achievement-wise. fundy joined las nevadas, a place that wilbur admires for its competitiveness and how its founded on philosophies he can relate to. fundy, on the other hand, will accept the compliments at first before realizing that wilbur is only appreciating him for what he's done, rather than appreciate him in general. i do think fundy would act more impulsively on this and lash out rather than communicate his actual needs, so then wilbur would part ways with him. i feel like this scenario wouldn't paint a clear victor which would then make both wilbur and fundy fans equally satisfied with it.

fundy deserves more streams paralleling the ocean, ocean wildlife, or any of the like. ik cc!fundy is afraid of the ocean but fundy's character feels so integated with fish symbolisms that i just. need it

so haha tubbo and fundy are both las nevadas workers, and they're both dreamon hunters. not saying dreamon hunters are gonna return, but it adds on to the idea that las nevadas is connected to the supernatural

if fundy died in the guardian farm during doomsday preparations, there's… a small chance that he got killed by slime/surrounded by slime, so do you think… charlie knows what actually happened that day?

speaking of charlie knowing, i do think charlie has the ability to spy on fundy now, which is a juicy bit of lore because it implies that there is a *need* for them to spy on fundy. for there to be a need to spy on fundy, fundy might have to either betray las nevadas, or maybe have a moment where he opens up about his dreams to someone. charlie would then relay this info to quackity

fundy's relationship with schlatt on the wiki is labelled “negative” when i wholeheartedly disagree and think that fundy still genuinely admires schlatt and views him more positively than he does with wilbur sooo

#fundy #dream smp #mcyt #las nevadas #long post #suicide tw #death tw #self-deprecation tw #nightmares tw

[silverthetheorist]

The end of L’manburg was disappointing (and why rollercoasters and fun)

I really wanted to like this war. I really did. And I did like many things (Which I will go through don't worry) but... Look, the event was not bad by any means. But this is the first big event that I can say was mediocre at worst and good at best. A solid 6/10 maybe (All other story arcs and events are from a 8/10 to 10/10), specially after the marvelous festival from yesterday. So let’s see first the things that worked: 

- FUNDY AND NICKY POPPED OFF. Them destroying the provisions before the start was great because it did not only made sense for their (Very tired of being sidelined and very tired of L’manberg’s bullshit) but it also had plot repercussion. In a story, for an action to be significant it has to have two things going for it: An emotional repercussion and a plot repercussion. This had both: Two og L’manburgian giving up on their nation and causing the L’maburg forces to be under-and I can’t stress this enough- very under prepared. In Eret’s case it is a lot harder to justify because her arc was never very consistent as I have said before. 

-The villains were very smart and intimidating. First the chose to attack L’manberg the day after the festival giving them little to no time to prepare. Second, they attacked earlier and devised a plan to cause the most destruction possible. Dream and Techno are many times smarter than many movie villains. 

-Tommy exposed Techno for the hypocrite and selfish pig he is. Good for him.

-Anything Ranboo does is gold of course. But, I think joining Phil is a bit of an iffy decision. For someone who doesn’t choose sides he surely chose the one that caused the most destruction and pain for all of his other friends. He is probably one of the most exciting people to watch in the future

-Tubbo jumping in front of Techno’s blast to protect Tommy (I do not want Tubbo to die because he is probs my favorite but that would have been a cool canon death). Tommy asking about Tubbo every 5 seconds. Both apologizing to each other and reuniting finally. Tubbo looking at everything he had built being destroyed, completely speechless. Tommy and Tubbo meeting Dream in the obsidian thing over L’manber. It had a weird final boss feel to it. I wish something had happened between the three there. Maybe a short fight or something. It was still cool.

So, yeah. There is a lot to like about the event. Now I have three main problems with this event: 

My first problem is that it all felt a bit... pointless. This reminded me a lot of the movie Captain America: Civil War. It was a great movie, but it did not have almost any consequences. In today’s event L’MANBURG WAS DESTROYED FOR GOOD THIS TIME and... it doesn’t feel like anything has changed at all. Tommy is still on about the disks even after everything he’s been through. Quackity is still... honestly I never know what is going on with him. Techno and Phil are still assholes and have all the power along with Dream. The badlands still haven’t done a thing (A shame). You can say that Wilbur is going to be revived, and yes that is pretty big, but he has been alive before (I actually love that he is being resurrected surprisingly, I’ll talk about it later). You can also say that L’manburg is gone now but... was it really there ever since Tommy was exiled considering everyone basically left?

It feels like we could have skipped everything after Wilbur blew L’manberg and everything would be the same. Like everything in between did not matter. Think of it, is there any major differences (Besides minor character changes) between the end of the Manberg vs Pogtopia war and now? Probably not many. This goes back to what I said in my first post: History is repeating itself a little to much. Another exile, another festival, another execution, another time L’manburg is destroyed. At least there is not going to be another election anytime soon. 

I think Tommy’s line to Techno that “You are repeating history but worse” is very ironic. The idea that history repeat itself is tempting and, when done efficiently can be amazing, but this was not the case. I cannot blame theme though, a “history repeats itself” story is very hard to write without feeling like you are repeating yourself. But they were so close. The Schlatt/Wilbur and Tommy/Tubbo parallels are a great example of it because it had the two things that a “History Repeats itself” plot needs: A new emotional background (The Tubbo/Tommy friendship breaking) and a final change (When both decide not to become like their predecessor). That’s right. You can argue that this war had a different emotional background but the end result was the seem. This type of stories are only satisfying if we see the change at the end, imagine how great it would have been if they managed to resolve their differences and truly unite against Dream and stop L’manburg from blowing up. 

That is my second problem. I am not against the idea of L’manburg ending for good. But it happened at a very random part of the story. L’manburg, the place that started it all perished because a pig felt betrayed by a friend and Dream was being his usual self. Compare this to the last time it blew up: A fallen hero destroying what he built because he wouldn’t let anyone else have it. It just doesn’t compare. And honestly, we are mostly sad that it is gone because of the first war, the election and the manberg vs pogtopia arcs. If the end goal of three months of storytelling is to destroy L’manburg, why did they spend three months showing how shitty it has become and how everyone left? This last point sections nicely to my last problem

My third and final problem is that it all seems a little samey. Now listen to me on this one. Do you know why the Deadpool movies are so effective at making you laugh? Because it mixes dramatic moments with comedy very well, each dramatic moment elevates the next joke and vice versa. It is also why Tommy’s lore streams are so good, when you juxtapose both drama and comedy it works very well. Like a rollercoaster, the fun comes from all the ups and downs. But can you truly say there were any up moments since the manberg vs pogtopia war. Not really, maybe some but nowhere new as good as the up moments in previous arcs and nowhere near as present. That is why this past three months feel very samey. It has been just constant dread and sadness with very few good moments storywise. Compare this to before when Wilbur was the main writer: Eret betrayed everyone and Dream blew up some of L’manberg, but they won the war and got their independence. Pog 2020 lost the election but Techno joined them and most people were secretly helping from the shadows. They got back L’manburg from Schlatt but Wilbur and Techno betrayed them. See how it has a great mixtures of ups and downs? Today’s event would have benefited from at least one ray of sunshine at the end, maybe a new piece of information returns, or Tommy and Tubbo have a final talk and resolver everything, or something nice for a change. (Wilbur being resurrected does not count, he traumatised everyone, I would not say that is a very happy thing, more of a mixed bag) 

But I don’t want come off as too negative. But now I am being cautious of the storyline. I think the next couple of stream are going to be key. There is still hope that some of these problems will be addressed. Even if they are not, the story will have suffered it’s first big dud (Which is a testament to how good and capable everyone is of telling a great story). 

PS: English not my first language. You know the drill. I am once again not sending hate to anyone ever. There is nothing wrong with criticizing what you love, I think it is kind of necessary in a weird way.

PS2: I also have hope because I believe that Wilbur is coming back as a writer. On a stream (When he saw Matpat’s theory) he said the was “not currently writing the story” which I found as very suspicious wording. That and Alivebur returning I think makes a pretty compelling case for his return as a writer, I don’t see him as the type of guy that would just return so that someone else would write his character. On another note I hope the current writer don’t feel pressured to follow Matpat’s theory just because he is a big youtuber. While not a bad theory by all means (As soon as Ghostbur said he wanted to be alive my first thought was Quackity and Schlatt) but I would prefer it if they were not manipulated by outside sources to make the story a certain way. 

PS3: I have other things I would like to cover. Mainly, I have three ideas for future essays: an analysis of the medium the smp storyline is being made and why it is harmful to it’s story (Specifically it’s eventual ending), a study of how Ranboo’s philosophy causes more harm than good and a “What if” essay of how many road the smp could have taken with it’s story after the manberg vs pogtopia war. I will probably do all three of them eventually but if anyone wants a specific one I can do it no problem. Also, if anyone wants to interact or give their opinions or criticize my ideas you are more than welcome to. I have no friends who are into mcyt and I love the back and forward of different opinions and ideas.   

#tommyinnit #tubbo #ranboo #quackity #wilbur soot #wilbur #dream smp #dream #fundy #nicky #nihachu #philza #techno #technoblade #mcyt #eret #ghostbur #l'manberg #l'manburg #SapNap

[theonlygamergost]

He didn’t hesitate - Dream-ing SMP au

I was one of the people who wanted to see Wilbur blow everything up at the festival, and I also want to see Phil on the Dream SMP, but since he isn’t on the server... what if I mixed these two things that didn’t happen? 

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The Dream-ing SMP au is an au where Wilbur, Techno, Tommy and Tubbo join Phil’s Minecraft hardcore world, right after they joined, Wilbur gets a mysterious fever that makes him sleep for three days, while asleep, he dreams about the Dream SMP. So now, Wilbur will have to deal with the feelings and events that happened in the Dream SMP knowing that he dreamt them himself, All while living in Phil’s peaceful hardcore world.

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Cw// Jschlatt, Dream SMP festival - Tw// Swearing, TNT, (almost) Drowning, Angst, lots of angst, mention of nightmares?

This is very angsty, just saying, be ready to cry.

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Enjoy!

“Let the festival begin!” Tubbo exclaimed, everyone wondered why he had said such a line when the festival of Manburg had been going on for almost an hour now, but the line wasn’t meant for them.

From the top of the building he was standing on, he jumped down in broad daylight, running for the back of the hill, “WILBUR SOOT?” Quackity noticed his brown coat instantly, moving the attention of the president to him.

Both Niki’s and Fundy’s screams of his name were drowned by the adrenaline pumping through his blood, he jumped over the fence and dug the dirt covering the room with the button, he looked once more at the sign singing the L’Manburg anthem, sighed, and pressed the button, bolting outside once again, climbing over the hill to get a better view, he yelled “TUBBO, TECHNO, TOMMY RUN!!!” On cue, Techno started up his elytra meanwhile Tommy jumped off the same building Wilbur did.

Tubbo was about to jump off the stage to run towards him, to run in the woods, and finally join him in Pogtopia, but Jschlatt grabbed his arm,” Where are you going Tubbo? Are you following orders from that guy instead of mine?” Tubbo stuttered, Schlatt giggled, “Of course you would, traitor” To the sight of the president of MAnburg grabbing Tubbo’s arm, Tommy turned around and loaded his crossbow, ready to shoot at Schlatt and free his friend, but it was too late.

Everything that could have gone wrong, went wrong in that exact moment.

Techno’s wings got shot, making him fall, Niki kneeled down to help him, the explosions had already made the blackstone stage and the seats in front of it disappear and Tommy, at the sight of his friend disappearing in a cloud of dust, froze still, “TOMMY RUN!!!” Wilbur shouted, running back towards a TNT-danger zone, but the blonde boy had also disappeared in the explosion by now, a cloud of dust engulfed the British boy in the brown coat.

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Wilbur sat up, sweat, tears, and heavy breathing clouded his mind and plagued his body, looking around frantically, the sober pattern of smooth stone, cobblestone, and oak fences welcomed him to the simple house, purple shulker boxes disposed in a line pointed at a pair of wings and a striped bucket hat, “P-Phil?”.

By the wall of chests, Phil was grabbing materials and mumbling to himself, his name being cried out by Wilbur made him turn around, “Will! Mate! You finally woke- Are you… ok?” The bright smile turned into a more preoccupied expression. Leaving the lists of things he needed on a shulker and sitting next to Wilbur on the red bed, Phil touched his forehead to find out it was boiling and covered in sweat, “You have a fever… that explains it” he mumbled to himself, making Wilbur even more confused.

“Explains what? And why are you here? Why am I here? I’m supposed to be in the Dream SMP Phil!” It was Phil’s turn to stare blankly at Wilbur, “Dream SMP? What are you talking about? Also, why wouldn’t you be here? You came here with Tubbo, Techno, and Tommy a couple of weeks ago now, did you forget about it?” At the sound of the names of his fellow Pogtopians, he asked where they were, to which Phil simply pointed outside.

The two young boys were playing happily with some of the dogs, giggling and running in the morning’s bright sun, a glass building with bees, and a fence full of cows could be seen in the distance.

“Techno left to mine some more netherite for you all, he won’t be back for a while”.

Knowing that everyone was safe made his heart rest a bit, only to get preoccupied with the fact that the older man didn’t know about the SMP “But what about the war? The election?” Phil sighed, getting up from Will’s bed “The fever must be getting to you Wilbur, you are speaking nonsense” Wilbur tried to complain, telling him about Schlatt and how he needed to get L’Manburg back, but Phil simply brought a hand up in a sign for him to stop rambling.

He took a cloth, dipping it into the cauldron and wringing it, going back to the bed, he gently pushed Wilbur down on his back and placed the damp cloth on his steaming forehead, “You slept for three days straight with a fever mate, it’s normal that your mind can get a bit delirious, I’m sure it must have been a pretty intense dream too, you kept shifting and whimpering, I think you cried a couple of times too.” Phil moved away from the bed again

A… dream? The Dream SMP was all… a dream?”

“Here, drink this” he helped Wilbur sit up-right again, giving him a glass of water, he started gulping down the liquid.

But it was all so detailed… he could feel the heat of the sun and the warmth of the other players…  he could feel the pain with each arrow and fall… everything looked and felt so real!

“Not to be a dick Will, but the sweat is starting to dry, if you don’t go wash you’ll start stinking soon” Phil interrupted his train of thoughts, “Plus, the water today isn’t cold, just a bit chilly, it’ll do you good, collecting your thoughts and waking you up… you might want to consider” Wilbur nodded, giving the blonde man back the glass after murmuring out a thanks for the water and the suggestion.

Getting up, the world started spinning, forcing him to sit back down. He waited a minute or so before slowly standing up again and leaning on the wall for support, his body did feel like he had been asleep for three days, his legs were holding him but they shook. As he looked down at them he realized that he was wearing his old skin: white tee, black jacket, and black trousers, it was definitely more comfortable than the L’Manburg and the Pogtopia skin.

Clicking the button to open the iron door, the bright sunlight blinded him briefly, while his eyes adjusted, some cheers in the distance brought him back to when it was just them, right after Eret betrayed them, Tommy, Tubbo, and himself, rebuilding the blown up L’Manburg while goofing around… the sunlight was just as warm.

The ocean surrounding most of Phil’s house was clear, you could see the bottom, the fishes and the sea lanterns.

Thank god in Minecraft you didn’t have to worry about your clothes getting wet, you could just jump in, feel the water on your skin, and be completely dry a few seconds after getting out.

So he did just that, taking a deep breath and inhaling as much oxygen as he could, he let his trembling legs give out and fall into the water.

In a second, everything went quiet, the cool water washed over him, getting rid of stress, sweat, and the effects of the fever, he felt reborn.

Just as he did when Dream gave him the TNT.

His forehead wrinkled, how was it all a dream? Tommy and Tubbo looked so peaceful while playing earlier, there is no way that they would have looked like that if the SMP happened, and Phil didn’t know anything about it? At this point, it had to have been a dream…

So if… hypothetically speaking… the Dream SMP… the wars… the betrayals… the election… the festival… If they were all a dream…

Did he create all of those situations? Did he think about Eret betrayal, all of those explosions, Schlatt winning, him and Tommy running into the woods…

Did he think about killing his friends? About making them fight in combat?

He made them suffer… he dreamt about making his friends suffer!

What kind of person does that?! What kind of friend dreams about those things?!

A faint voice called out his name, but his vision started to get darker… he was out of oxygen, but he was too occupied calling himself a monster… he was terrified of his mind… he was…

“WILBUR!!!”

In the last moment of consciousness, a shadow covered the few rays of sun filtered by the water while warm arms wrapped around him, pulling him upwards, then everything faded.

“WERE YOU NOT LOOKING OVER HIM??” “No- I didn’t think he would have just sunk to the bottom like a rock! He looked fine!” “Is he breathing?” “If-... He-... doesn’t-... soon-!”

As if a rock fell on his chest, Wilbur gasped for air as water rose up his throat, using his elbow as support as he coughed out the water that ended up in his lungs. He could feel the presence of people next to him, but he was too tired to turn and see who they were.

As he started breathing air again, he collapsed back on his back, the lights shined on the worried faces of Tommy, Phil, and Tubbo who where standing behind the man that was sitting on his knees in front of him, he was also panting and his clothes were also wet, after focusing on his face harder, he was able to see that it was Technoblade.

He gave him cpr...

“Will? Can you-... hear me? See me?” He nodded, Techno sighed in relief, using his hands to help himself up straight, he allowed Phil to kneel down next to Wilbur, sitting next to him up and cupping his face, “What the fuck crossed your mind, Wilbur?! Why would you not swim up to breathe?!”

He wasn’t paying too much attention to Phil, his eyes were focused on Tubbo that was holding his mouth, and Tommy who was hugging him, eyes clearly puffy from crying.

Then, behind the two teens, Technoblade emerged back from the water, with his royal red cape in a hand, and his shiny crown in the other.

Techno jumped in the water without taking his cape off…

The voice he heard calling his name in fear was Techno’s…

Techno saw Wilbur in the water and jumped in without taking his cape and crown off…

At that point, Wilbur started crying, gripping on Phil’s shoulder as hard as he could.

In the Dream SMP Techno did not hesitate to agree on helping Wilbur in his maniacal plan, without fear of his reputation getting damaged or getting his hands dirty…

… Just like he didn’t hesitate to jump in the water, even with the risk of damaging his cape and losing his crown.

#tw jschlatt #tubbolive #tubbo #wilbur soot #tommyinnit #ph1lza #technoblade #quackity #fundylive #nihachu #dream smp #fanfiction #my fanfiction #mcyt #mcyt fanfiction #writing #my writing #dream-ing smp au

[stellocchia]

Ok this is about. Reaaally long ago but I don't think people ever really talked about it but.

Back during Manberg, when Quackity and Tommy talked down Wilbur from blowing everything up. Did Wilbur ever actually mean it or was he just manipulated by Dream afterwards or did he just decide that he now wanted to be a deceitful little bitch to get his way? Because he was betraying them for a while before the 16th.

Like. You remember how the plan was to get Schlatt to sign over presidency to Quackity? Listen it wasn't a great plan but I think it's really fucking clear that Schlatt knew what was up. After all, the date for the last war and the traitor were already set. And the traitor was Wilbur.

Pogtopia made the plan that would have everything ending peacefully and Wilbur apparently just went straight to Dream and told him so it wouldn't work.

The Tnt having been moved to Pogtopia? As far as I remember there was never any proof of that. The only proof we got was Wilbur saying it wasn't there anymore. Wilbur. Yknow. The traitor.

And he just stood there on the Comms with the people that thought he was on their side and acted like it wasn't where he left it.

When Dream announced there was a traitor? Well he knew. He WAS the traitor.

No wonder he seemed like an apathetic prick the whole time. The stage was set and the ending was written, everything else between that didn't matter. It was just bonus scenes.

Remember what Dream said, his deal with Wilbur was that no matter what. Wilbur would blow everything up. Nothing about Eret or Fundy or anyone else mattered and just.

What a cunt (and you know I have many glittery GIFs for this)

This is probably the only other betrayal on the server other than Erets. He deceived people that considered him their allies with the intent to harm them.

Yes. He wasn't complete evil. He cared. He showed that he cared quite often. But also, what does that change? Eret also cared about the Lmanbergians. They thought the war was unwinnable and ending it as quickly as possible while also getting a position of power out of it would be the most ideal possible outcome.

And just. I think it's awful how all these downright cruel actions of Wilbur are glossed over because during the festival he went back for Nikki.

YEAH AND DURING THE 16TH HE WAS OKAY WITH HER POSSIBLY BEING COLLATERAL DAMAGE

Listen. If this was just about blowing up L'manberg he could have been done with it easily. He sneaks out at night and just blows it up without any witnesses.

But no. This fucker is a mentally ill theatre kid.

And he's tragic. He's tragic because that's just how it goes sometimes with selfdestructive mentally ill people. And it's fucking sad. He had people that were clearly willing to help. Tommy was actively trying to help him. A nontragic victory was presented to him on a silver platter. All he had to do was not blow it up. The people around him and especially Tommy presented him with a chance. With an environment where he could heal and recover. But because he is selfdestructive he couldn't fucking accept it. I don't think it ever really crossed his mind to accept it. He is another one of his victims and that's fucking tragic.

But that doesn't negate the fact that he did those things. Yes he was harmed by them too but the thing with the word 'too' is that he was just another one of many.

He deceived people. People that trusted him. People that wanted to help him. People that didn't fucking deserve what they got. And even now that he's revived he's not sorry. And yes, he's still mentally ill but that doesn't make it ok. And just. People keep just. Forgetting how shitty of a person he was. And that's not just unfair towards the people he hurt that's also fcking stupid because he hasn't changed.

There's no reason not to expect the same kind of shittyness again. Because he hasn't changed. And just. I don't know how many people haven't watched season 1 yet but if they are still out there they should at least watch the pogtopia arc because especially with us being from the future, knowing what's going on and what's going to happen? Wilbur just gets worse when looking back.

So, that was another one of my Wilbur rants. You know me. I'll probably be back because I have many very big feelings on this man and how everyone is so quick to jump to his defense because he's not like other villains. He's different. He's just having a rough time. He's just quirky.

Just... Cmon. Yes he's redeemable, he's the most redeemable out of every villain we've had so far but that doesn't mean he's redeemed yet. Or even that he will be. Hold him accountable for his own fucking actions.

Yeah. I do feel that people often with him lean too much on the “he was always evil and corrupt and he was a dictator” or “he wasn’t THAT bad and even if it was, it’s justifiable”. 

Not everyone of course, it would be extremely unfair to say that, but I’ve seen enough takes for both sides. And it’s a pity because it takes away from his character in my opinion. Like, as a character to me he is better as a sympathetic villain that has done so much messed up sh*t and has yet to do anything to be redeemed than he is as just an UWU sad boy. 

Because he did do messed up stuff and he is still doing it. He is manipulative, and he did act with utter disregard to people’s lives before (both with him not knowing if someone would die on the 16th and repeating way too many time to Tommy that him dying was a good thing, which is pretty messed up ngl). 

But on your general point: yeah. That was actually betrayal, but his and Eret’s aren’t the only one. Technically Jack betrayed Tubbo with the whole Nuke thing (or tried to at least) since he was using something that Tubbo openly entrusted him to do something that would have possibly hurt Tubbo. There is also the Red Banquet, an execution masqueraded as an offer of peace is most definitely a betrayal.

That said yeah, those are the only actual betrayals (or attempt at one) that we’ve had that I can think of. 

#ladycatland ask #dream smp #c!wilbur critical #character analysis #long post #also just got reminded of all your glittery gifs #those are *chef's kiss*

[gingersp1ce547]

Eret and quackity’s relationship /rp

I don’t feel like this is talked about enough considering they have a very interesting one sided hatred going on but also I am not going to be talking about anything pre-nov 16 in regards to their relationship just bc I don’t know it as well as their current one so if you do please feel free to add on :D

Anyways quackity and eret are both extremely different characters which is interesting to me since their actually really similar in terms of experiences.

They both looked up to Wilbur as a leader and considered him a friend even when he didn’t.

They both directly opposed him when they believed that another person would do what was better for the server and also did so to gain power

They both believe violence is sometimes the only way of preventing more bloodshed and getting what you want.

They both were manipulated and neglected by that person once they gained the power they wanted

They both have (had in eret’s case? Idk that whole things screwy) a good relationship with fundy in which they showed him that he was important and loved (even if it was also manipulation in quackitys case)

They both have a soft spot for tommy, tubbo and l’manburg as a whole

And lastly they both would go into to regret their actions in opposition to Wilbur, betray the person that gave them power, and say that Wilbur was better than both of them.

But that long list of similarities ends when you look at their personalities and feelings about their actions.

Eret directly felt guilty for her betrayal of l’manburg because she realized it left her alone, she’s never been one to be able to talk her way out of a situation, she wants to use his power as king to make people feel safe, and she has to begun to acknowledge the manipulation she suffered under dream and has taken steps to not be like dream and instead try to help other people hurt by him. (Also somehow has a positive relationship with techno? Idk how it happened but it exists)

On the other side of the coin, stands quackity who felt upset that he didn’t realize Schlatt was never going to give him the power he wanted earlier, his main power comes from his ability to talk circles around people, he uses his power to make himself feel safe, and while he is aware of how Schlatt has mistreated him he’s only taken steps to put himself in the same position that Schlatt had in order to be able to be the one in control this time. He cares about people hurt by Schlatt in his own way but mostly is just interested in projecting his own issues onto everyone else (see the convo with fundy or anyone with tubbo regarding who to trust) (also we all know how that relationship with techno is going and it sure is something)

These differences in personality I think are most plainly shown by the Mexican l’manburg conflict; the one in which quackity, outraged by georges de throw meant and seeking to prove Mexican l’manburgs power as a faction, talked Karl into sacrificing himself in a faked peaceful protest where they planted tnt to make it seem like eret blew him up.

This plan did not work out and led to eret along with his knights and dream blowing up Mexican l’manburg and then quackity arguing with dream over the validity of Mexican l’manburg as a state which ended with the birth of el rapids.

The things worth noting to me in this interaction is

A. Eret seeing the description as mexican l’manburg as the same swift act of violence eret saw as needed to stop further violence as the one he saw in the final control room, albeit this time it worked),

And B. Quackity’s incredible charisma being out on show both in convincing Karl to loose a canon life of his own volition, and being the only one to actually hold his own in an argument against dream and come out of it with some measure of a win

Though even more interesting to me is what they both took away from it.

Eret kind of just didn’t care? Like yeah they where absolutely pissed someone was attempting to slander their name which had already been dragged through the mud, but in the long term of things they didn’t hold any grudges against quackity.

Meanwhile quackity to this day dislikes eret not because of his actions but because they took the offer to be recrowned as king after George was dethroned.

An action which eret did as an attempt to regain power, something quackity should approve off considering his own beliefs about power but doesn’t because it hurt his friend.

In the long term would it not make more sense to be mad at dream? Since he would have most likely just given the crown to someone else if they refused? And that’s not to say that quackity didn’t dislike dream after this event because he did, but he also extremely disliked eret.

A sentiment he has held onto for a very long time, even expressing to ghostbur after doomsday that he still disliked eret for replacing George.

And that is the biggest difference between these two characters. Their outlook on people.

Eret chooses to forgive because he wants forgiveness himself. He is nice to people because he wants them to have the happiness he hasn’t really found yet.

But quackity chooses to hold grudges because that’s what people have done to him. He is not kind (atleast once you get past the surface level), because he wants people to feel the same pain he has felt.

I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s the difference between forgiveness and vengeance but more like stoping the cycle of abuse vs. embracing it.

I think the same can be applied to their views on their manipulators.

Eret is happy enough with dream in prison because it means he’s free to do what he wanted to do with the power given to him as king.

On the other hand, quackity, once he found out about glatt, decided to make a deal that would put him in the same place he was under Schlatt’s administration.

To conclude I would say these two characters aren’t foils because their too similar but more like too diverging paths on a road. Because at the end of the day they have experience very similar things but they decided to go about very different ways with coping with them. And I find that interesting.

Anyways give me more interaction between these two, I would pay actually money to have eret go to las nevadas once it opens to the public.

#dream smp #dsmp #c!eret #eretblr #the eret #c!quackity #this wasn’t meant to be read as c!quakcity critcial but I know it could be interepreted that way so if you want me to change the tags #please let me know #dsmp analysis #analysis

[dreamteamspace]

So this stream I got a bit confused with what was going on with the whole spiel with schlatt and dream, and I dont actually think theres a traitor. However if there was one why not niki ya know? I mean, he kept saying how it would be way more unexpected than eret in the independance war, and literally everyone so far has been thought of as a potential traitor to pogtopia,, except well,, why not niki? She also had this letter to her "dear friend" that sounded like a new turn for her character and idk man why not?

Alright I’m a very texting type of person and you’ve got my started on my hyperfixation here we go-

My thoughts on the whole situation and why I think Fundy is the traitor:

I think from Dream’s perspective: Everything makes sense. I’m HIGHLY certain that Schlatt’s deal, which Dream said is “Something Wilbur and Tommy would never give him”, was that L’Manburg will either cease to exist (become part of the Dream SMP, and we know neither Wilbur not Tommy would ever do that), or that Dream would essentially become leader of it.

That’s why, in this flip situation, if he wins, he wins all of it. This also makes sense, as Dream is 100% alright with Wilbur just blowing it up, too: Because essentially he achieves the very same thing: L’Maburg/Manburg is no more.

Dream is absolutely right that he was never on their side or really on anybody’s side. Dream is his own side. It’s his server. He IS the Dream SMP, in that sense, just like Tommy is the spearhead of the rebellion right now.

I’m also fairly certain Dream will pull a lot more people than they think into this, and I think they ALSO know, in a meta-way, that they won’t be fighting only Schlatt and Dream and one traitor. He’s just letting them wallow in their security, although I have to say he LOVES dipping in his dramatic implications about what he’s doing or will do. In this case, he might’ve managed to keep quiet to let them think they’re safe.

So for Dream: Either they win, and L’Manburg is his/no more, or Wilbur sees they start losing, and L’Manburg is also no more. Honestly? He just has to make Wilbur panic hard enough to hit that button... and then he wins. It would be bad if he loses, though, so I do think he’ll pull together for this. He’s very competitive.

(Lot more juicy theory as to who the traitor is under the cut)

I predict that a good portion of BadboyHalo, Georgenotfound, Sapnap, Punz, potentially also people like Thunder or Alyssa?, are going to join Dream’s side. Sam seems close to the rebellion, but he’s also friends with George and Sapnap, but I just can’t see those two seriously fighting against Dream. If the stakes really are high, they’ll flip over to him, although I also can’t see them convincing Sam.

Most likely, George and Sapnap are just going to stay out of it entirely, and let Sam fight on the side of the rebellion. Maybe the current pet war might change that, though, say if Sapnap develops a new hatred against Tommy or even Sam? (I dont know what the pet war’s at atm but didn’t Sapnap and Sam fight over pets?), he would join in on Dream’s side. George? I have no idea. Most likely he just won’t be there. He doesn’t want to go against Sam (Who provides him with like. Everything), but he also doesn’t wanna fight Dream. IF he fights, though, I’m tempted to say he’d be on Dream’s side, but I’m honestly not up to date enough on his streams to say for certain.

As for the traitor: I actually haven’t seen Niki’s letter (to my great regret, I saw the news float around though), since I’m very focused on watching Tommy and Wilbur’s POVs. Honestly, if it’s Niki? That would be MASSIVELY surprising, and the biggest brain move I’ve ever seen. It’s possible, but I honestly don’t think it’s likely.

They’ve kept their characters fairly consistent, and while this IS kindof meta to say, I don’t think (with how things are atm), that Niki would betray L’Manburg, UNLESS she’s doing a double-agent thing and plans on tricking Dream in the end. That I could potentially see happening.

But knowing that she changed the anthem from Wilbur’s posessive “My L’Manburg” to just “L’Manburg”, that she’s been loyal even when they kinda half left her alone with Schlatt to tax her, and even during the pet wars she never strikes blood, but rather takes hostages and wants a sincere apology... I don’t see it right now. Then again, I don’t watch Niki’s streams on the SMP, so I could be wrong, as I’m not quite familiar with the intricacies of her character on the SMP besides the surface level.

On on hand... I also doubt whether there is a traitor at all, and Dream is just hoping to drive them apart and make sure they don’t get things done as efficiently as they could, because they’re busy pointing fingers at eachother, suspecting eachother, potentially even throwing somebody out once the tension between them snaps.

He needs to win this fight. If he does, he gets EVERYTHING. What they think of him after that point doesn’t matter, so the lie doesn’t matter. They can laugh at him afterwards, but he’ll still have won. I don’t know how many actually highly important details Dream would drop into conversation like that.

Consider, he does have a traitor. Why would he tell them he has one there? Why tell them that they’ll never guess? It just sows chaos in their group, and that’s what he wants. If he DID have one, he might just not say anything.

On the other hand: He might just be dramatic like that honestly. We all know they’re meta-fighting for the next spot in a sad-ist animatic, so Dream could very well be taking a more active role to insert himself into the story and cause some drama. Even if he DOES have a traitor on the inside, saying it still sows chaos. It’s a little risky, but if it really is something they won’t guess, then the chance that they’ll suspect the wrong person might be high enough, and make it worth it.

If he DOES actually have a traitor, my top sus are honestly Fundy, Tubbo, and maybe Ponk. I’m very sure it’s NOT Wilbur, Tommy, Sam, or Quackity.

Ponk doesn’t seem like the type of person to be reliable enough. He’s just kinda in it for the ride, and he’s too quiet to set a focus on. I don’t think Dream even considered him on the side of the rebellion for certain until today. It is, however, still possible. Tommy seems to trust him, and he’s not in deep enough for them to intently interrogate him on his loyalty, cause they know he’s more laid back when it comes to that. He feels only half in the rp to begin with, just wanting to fuck around with everyone. And then, BOOM, he’s actually been playing a massive role this whole time. It’s a little bit of a safe target, too, albeit a little underwhelming.

Tubbo... listen. We all love Tubbo. Tommy loves Tubbo, and we know Tubbo cares greatly for Tommy. Tubbo also seems(?) to care for L’Manburg. But I just....

It’s Tubbo, man. I have no idea. He seemed SO close to ACTUALLY flipping over to Schlatt before the festival. Everyone keeps pushing him around like this innocent tiny kid when he has the biggest third eye out of everyone and is the only one actually doing any work.

Tubbo has stated before that his official motivation is that he just wants peace for everyone. He just doesn’t want to fight and wants to do fun stuff. So of course he sounds horrified at the prospect of having to hunt down Tommy after Tommy was exiled, but happily went along with the festival. He was excited to do his speech. Schlatt actually placed responsability on them for once. He truly did seem happy about that.

It doesn’t matter as much to Tubbo who’s who. What matters is that the fighting preferrably stops, and they all just have a good time. Dream gave the line “I’m very convincing”, so I think he did actually have to convince the traitor, if there is one, to join his side. It wasn’t automatic.

Technically speaking, if L’Manburg is no more, and they’re all part of the Dream SMP again, doesn’t the fighting stop? If there’s no nation to fight over, then there’s no reason to fight. If L’Manburg is no more, then Schlatt has 0 power, and if Dream takes over, he could’ve promised to un-exile Tommy and Wilbur. And then they’re all part of the Dream SMP! No more fighting! Everyone’s on the same side!

Tubbo seems to care less for nations or sides, and much more for people, and for the people around them to be happy. His switch to enthusiasm at Schlatt’s festival came quickly, because many of the people he cared about still partook in it, and he never did hurt Tommy, because he does care about him.

But Tubbo DID say the line “may the festival begin” after his speech, and they knew what that would start. So why? In a way, I think Tubbo waged his options. Who does he care about more? Tommy, to his knowledge, is on Wilbur’s side. He might’ve decided in a moment of uncertainty that Wilbur and Tommy’s opinions of him are more important to them than the opinions of the other people there. Mostly Tommy, because we know those two would die for eachother. They chose Tommy over everyone else at that festival, potentially even over their own motivations, over their own gut.

Fundy, in fact, has MANY reasons to be the traitor, but isn’t quite obvious in that sense. They thought he was a traitor, actually, but once he showed them his diary, he essentially convinced all of them very certainly that he’s not the traitor, and they believed him. Dream joined the call later, so it’s possible he heard that part or Fundy told him about it (They’ve all been known to listen in on convos sometimes to know whats going in. They have to in order to build a good story line.)

Fundy has all the reasons. Reason number one, to me, is Fundywastaken. It’s canon in the Dream SMP lore, they just surprisingly haven’t done anything with it. During the independance war, that wasn’t a thing yet, and since they ARE a thing in canon now... they’ve never actually fought eachother. In fact, as things are now? We’re EXPECTING to see Dream fight his canon fiancé. Fundy officially joined the fight when Tommy asked him, confirming that they can count on him and that he will fight. We know for certain that Dream will fight.

If Fundy isn’t the traitor and doesn’t become one, then Dream and Fundy are inevitably meeting in battle on the 16th.

Consider his storyline: We’ve all been highly expecting Fundy to either punch Wilbur in the face or at LEAST be dissapointed in him or SOMETHING. He hasn’t, as far as I’m aware. He’s just standing there near him, very very quietly, giving a firm but quiet “yes” when Tommy asked him if they could count on him.

Fundy hasn’t expressed much to Wilbur at all, despite heving been left alone with Schlatt by him, despite how much he deserves to be angry at him for being patronized and not trusted with anything.

And, y’know... He’s officially Dream’s fiancé. The others don’t seem to know yet, and I don’t know how many people do know or not. It’s possible they just don’t know, and of course Dream wouldn’t tell them anything, not even tell anyone, this close before a fight. Dream might not even tell his close allies out of fear that the information could spread or that they could turn on him.

So honestly... Fundy seems the most likely for me to be the traitor, especially because there’s been plenty of foreshadowing for it, there’s a good setup, he has good reasons, and it wouldn’t seem like a cheap plottwist, but rather a gradual change.

Not to mention that meta-wise, Fundy has been actively involved in the rp and been dropping some pretty good lines himself. This isn’t something that Dream would have some non-rping person do.

I’m also kindof sure it’s not Technoblade, because Dream laughed it off and half-indicated that it is (Tommy: “I bet it’s Technoblade” Dream, cracking up: “I didn’t say that, you said that”), because he profits from doing so. He profits from them thinking Technoblade is the traitor. And also I really, really don’t think Techno would team up with Dream in this rp. Then again, Dream recently proclaimed to be on the side of chaos.... so who truly knows? I’ll definitly be surprised if it’s Techno, but I suppose it is a possibility. I just don’t think Techno can be convinced to much of anything, unless of course all it took was saying “Hey it’s Schlatt and Me against like 6 people so if we want an actual fight for once-” “Finally some bloodshed and war. I’m in”. I mean, I doubt it, but I’m leaving the possibility open.

TLDR: Dream wins if he wins the fight OR if Wilbur blows everything up. The traitor is likely either Fundy, Ponk or Tubbo, and I think there will be more people fighting on Dream’s side than just Schlatt and one traitor.

#mcyt #dream smp #mcytblr #dreamwastaken #itsfundy #fundywastaken #fwt #tubbo #nihachu #wilbur soot #dreamteamspace speaks

[sokayisaidiot]

Dream SMP Assumption #7

Today’s topic: Everybody is suffering and you know it.

Please DO NOT read if you’re uncomfortable with the themes of death, depression and suicide. It’s a very complicated theme. I did NOT study it and do NOT know some aspects of it. I just go off the things I saw in the smp and made my own theories about it. If you’re even slightly triggered by this, please stop and do NOT try to read it. Please do NOT put yourself in some kind of uncomfortable zone.

Please do not. Thank you

(This is all assumptioning from the fictional world of dream smp)

(Heavy spoilers on the resent events)

(Also just assumptions, when you know something, you can always drop it :))

(Mainly around the lmanburg way, sadly need to learn more about badlands ): )

(This Series is created by another person, that’s just too fuckin lazy to move her butt)

Trigger warning today:

Suicide thoughts

(PTSD)

Depression

War

Child Neglect

Betrayal and Trust Issues

Death

Lets get this straight, no one is pure evil just because. Everybody has something happening and BOOM, finished chaos and sadness and strange behavior and aggressiveness and- You get me? Good. I will take on EVERYBODY who says that a person in the story didn't suffer. I aint a Apologist either. I just want to make some things clear who suffered how. Understand? Good.

Stop saying “[Character] didn't suffer!” Hell yes somehow everybody, close in the lore, fuckin did.

LET’S GET STARTED

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Tommyinnit

Lets start with one, who should be pretty obvious. Tommy. In my second Assumption, I explained symptoms of PTSD and Depression. 

He was never really trusted by any point

Was just as used as Techno, because who had Tommy controlled was pretty powerful

He was exiled by a country, he HELPED saving MULTIPLE times

He saw his brother get killed by his father

He experienced so many deaths (Tubbo’s, in the final control room, Schlatts, 

He lost his pets 

He lost his belongings

Has to be on edge constantly

Gets accused by someone and then MOSTLY EVERYBODY believes, it was him

He isn’t really taken seriously

He gets seen as power-hungry person

People literally having him on the Hitlist

He nearly saw his best friend dying, on a mission, that was started by him

His older Brother, who he has an confused relationship with, doesn't even want to be revived.

Lost his brother to insanity and had to sit in the FRONT ROW of this spiral

PTSD

Depression

Suicidal thoughts

Betrayal

next to no one on his actual side

got left by almost everyone

was stuck on a island with an amnesiac ghost, who is a shell of his older brother

gets told his comfort items he had before everything else didn't matter

constantly has to live on the edge because he runs around with one just fuckin heart

Tubbo

Next to Tommy, he also suffers from PTSD, Depression and Suicidal tendencies. And that doesn't mean you kill yourself. It means you are too careless to give a fuck. And that can happen. TUbbo was way too easy to give up his OWN LIVE for something his best friend has passion in it.

He got publicly executed in a place HE DECORATED by someone he considered his Allie

Had the burden of Presidency on his YOUNG shoulders

The People who had to teach him about it, were also there for the tyranny

Got constantly considered a pawn, a throwable item

The adults use him as a figure head and proceed then to use him

He HAD to exile his best friend, or Tommy would have died sooner than ever

PTSD

Suicidal in a way of being okay for dying

Depression

Betrayal

Never gets taken seriously

Gets over-spoken a LOT

GETS COMPARED TO FUCKIN MANIACS OFTEN

Didn’t get nice words after his manipulator told him down, just SILENCE

He nearly died

He heard 

Got left by everyone, when they didn't see anything in this place anymore

got told by his best friend, that the discs were more worth than him

As Tommy, he is always on the edge of death

Technoblade

Techno is one of the most powerful people here on the server. No doubt about it. However, if someone, even a God, tries to refuse they have feelings, it’s impossible. And those feelings, when they get something terrible done to them, get hurt.

BETRAYAL

Loneliness

A bloodlust he sometimes seriously can't control, no matter how much he tries

His best friend (Wilbur), died before his eyes

He thought he could trust his (little brother figure) friend

Gets used often for material

betrayal

Has a hard time understanding his feelings

Gets talked over

Is socially avoiding talking

Gets seen as a bad guy many times

Trust issues, yay!

Also BETRAYAL

has at least some people who want to kill him

Wilbur Soot

Our favorite maniac! Yay! We can all see how he fell from a proud Leader of a family to an lost in himself man, with nothing left to loose

Had to countdown his brothers death

Was killed by his father

His OWN SON disowned him

He wasn't able to get help, especially not from his younger brother

His Allies were not really trust worthy

He got betrayed by a close comerade

His dear Brother was sometimes really chaotic

He had to lead an army to war, not one, but two times

He lost the election

He had to run away from a country he helped create

Had a hard time with this father (with how it’s shown, that he maybe was neglected and had to raise Tommy)

Ranboo

Our favorite Memory-Minutes-Boi! I think EVERYBODY in this community will protect him

His first days on the server were pure Chaos

Had to see a person, he considers a friend, being rotten away and not being able to do anything about it

A sister figure who just went angry

He isn’t trusted by anyone really

He knows things others don’t

ALSO LOSING YOUR MEMORY AND HAVING CONSTANT MEMORY LOSS FUCKIN SUCKS, TRUST ME

Has serious issues

GETS TALKED OVER

Is often forced to take a side, even if he's against it

Phil

He has a hard time. Especially with the death, failed resurrection, disowning one of his son, he didn't got even close to. Being 

Also on the edge of death every day

Was in the end peer pressured into killing his own son

Suffering from the loss of his son

Couldn't help his youngest son in exile, because he thought Tommy hated him

Wasn’t there for L’Manburg glory days

was ridiculed in his house arrest

Dream

Of course, we all know how mad he is now and shit, but you gotta think, he has some points here, that are infecting his behavior LARGELY

His friends left him, without considering helping him

He had lost his dear pet before

He actually wanted peace, but fell into the fun of destruction and chaos without someone knowing or helping him

He is homeless

Probably, he is a old being, that already suffered for millions of years

Sapnap

He’s actually one of my favorite Characters and I think we know he has a place in here.

Third wheels a  l o t

Constantly being referred as the THIRD person, who isn't important

Fought his friend, who took the side of a child

Said friend had one of his beloved fishes by his side the hole time

Said Fish got thought as dead

Fundy

Some of you guys forgot how sad actually Fundy’s character is. He IS one of the most hurt characters. And he gave up hope

constantly being talked over

disowned by his hole family

GREW UP IN OLD L’MANBURG, WHICH WAS AT WAR

doesn’t think he is a part of a group

had to disown his father, to help fight a tyrannt

Got babied his whole life

His dead father is still running away from their problems

Doesn’t know where his mum is

Lost his home so often

Nihachu

Actually the person I watched for the first long time as in the SMP

Again, being talked over

Doesn’t get taken seriously

Lost her Best friend (Wilbur)

Got betrayed by her friend, Karl, by him selling their Land to L’Manburg

Gets used as a hostage or Maid in Distress, even when she isn’t

Got her pets killed

Then constantly being used for her niceness

Jack Manifold

He has a pretty big Role now, and he's very VERY angry. And you might ask why

Got left behind by his country

doesn’t get taken seriously

Got his most powerful items removed in one thing

His land somehow is near a crater

got told he didn't suffer somehow

Went to mf hell

Quackity

Quackity, despite his funny demeanor, he's one of the hurt character

with him staying with Schlatt, he had a uncomfortable relationship a long time

got killed by the festival

somehow helped organize the death of a child

Said kid helped a revolution against him

he helped a tyrant come to power and will probably never get it live down

fought for a country so often, but, two times, it got exploded in front of his face

had to face war, also in a young age

Eret

Our favorite King is here too! Yes, he may have started the distrust spiral of Eret, but somehow, someone would still have led them to the FINAL CONTROL ROOM. Somehow History will always be happening.

Had one of the hardest time, getting forgiven

Was never really given a chance

got accused of something

gets used as a pawn

He has shown often regret

got left alone

I think we all can say they are just having MULTIPLE communicate, trust and self worth issues. Like goddamn, Puffy, please help them, you’re one of the only sane people in the lore-

#Dream SMP #Quackity #Wilbur Soot #Tommyinnit #technoblade #tubbo #Philza #Nihachu #Fundy #Eret #Jack Manifold #Sapnap #Dreamwastaken #Ranboo #mcyt #dream smp assumption #Dream SMP Lore

[inkyjaguar]

The History Of George Lore

Okay, so this is the history of George Lore in my fic The King’s Final Battle . This is the first character sheet that I plan on making for all the characters. I’m not an artist so please use your imagination of what he would look like!

George was born in the town of Camarvan in Wheat Valley to some (you guessed it) wheat farmers. Unfortunately, he was an only child and from what he remembers of his parents, they weren’t as present in his life than Sapnap’s parents (his best friend) or his aunts and uncles were. When he was 10, his parents slipped into a mysterious coma out of the blue and died in their sleep. He then lived out the rest of his childhood with his aunt and uncle. 

Now, George was diagnosed with narcolepsy at a young age and it was common to send him out into the field to work only for him to return back hours later than normal because he fell asleep while working. That didn’t stop him from playing with his friends and having a great childhood. 

His friends growing up were Sapnap, Punz, Alyssa, Callahan, and Purpled. He knew about Tommy and his friends but they were very rude to them so George didn’t pay much attention to them. One day, he woke up from sleeping in the field and met a kid his age with a strange mask on him. The new kid was very curious and though George didn’t like him at first, they grew to be great friends in their group; adding Dream to his list of childhood friends at 13. 

In the town of Camarvan, there was always contention concerning the state of the kingdom. The king was known as the “puppet king” because he was considered useless. When George was 17 a sorcerer named Wilbur Soot started a business that brought a lot of that tension to a peak. Wilbur had gathered a significant portion of the village to follow him and his ideals of a new country. George didn’t care much about this new ‘country’ even though Dream seemed really upset by it. George fell asleep one afternoon and when he woke up, he found his village raided by Wilbur Soot’s followers. The followers had stolen potion ingredients and while he had slept, Sapnap, Dream, Purpled, Punz, Tubbo and Eret had retaliated for what the followers did. 

That was the start of the L’Manberg Revolution. 

Wilbur’s nation split off into the woods around Camarvan and set up camp. Before the puppet king could send troops to help the war, Dream gathered an army of the remaining villagers (George included) to stop this revolution while they could. There were many trench battles and sneak attacks that George participated in with his friends but ultimately, he slept through most of the major battles like the Burning of the Wheat Crops and the slaughter of Alyssa when she was caught burning the woods around the Revolution.

During the final battle, George thought for sure that they were going to win and that L’Manberg would be history after Eret betrayed them. Dream had easily bested Tommy (who wasn’t even old enough to work in the field yet) in the duel, but Tommy pulled Dream aside and they made a deal. George didn’t know what that deal was, but Dream came out saying that L’Manberg was its own state within the Esempe Kingdom. 

And when the puppet king came with his knights, the king said the same and announced that he would be stepping down from the throne for his long lost younger brother, Eret. King Eret quickly invited George and all his friends to the castle to be trained as official knights for the bravery they showed in the L’Manberg Revolution. George was quick to accept and even quicker to dismiss the L’Manbergians who were also invited. 

For the next few years, George trained with his friends to become knights. However, he fell behind in training and progression mostly due to him sleeping through practices. His narcolepsy got worse as time wore on to where he was missing half of the day to one of his sleeping episodes. He always had the most boring dreams as well; sitting in a cream box with nothing in it but him. Sometimes, Dream would be there but mostly, he wasn’t. 

While Sapnap became a Captain of the Guards in a year, George was assigned to be a personal guard for King Eret. George was extremely mad about this assignment but all his old Camarvan friends were not around to hear him complain. The only person who he could talk to, was Dream. 

Now, George didn’t know what Dream’s role was in the castle, because he didn’t train with the rest of the knights but he was able to just walk in and talk with King Eret whenever he wanted. Dream always had time to talk to George though and even encouraged him to take advantage of his new position of being around court members. Geroge couldn’t stand Wilbur and Squire Tommy but he did become best friends with another squire Quackity. 

When George was 19, Quackity woke him up and asked him to be his running mate for the representative seat of L’Manberg. George eagerly took that title and helped campaign with Quackity. He was finally getting recognized for his talents and skills but after the final debate with Wilbur and Tommy, the two approach him and ask him to step away from the election in exchange for him to be on their council once they get reelected. George is tempted but dismisses them after Tommy insults Dream. He finds Dream later to report this to him and falls asleep before he can get everything out. 

The next time George wakes up, it’s been a full day and the elections are over. He had slept through the entire thing. That had never happened to him before. Still groggy, he’s told that Schlatt (an old sorcerer turned politician) has won with Quackity, and that George, Tubbo and Fundy are on their council but that Wilbur and Tommy have been exiled. Confused and concerned about the growing rate of his sleeping episodes, Tubbo and Quackity send him to Philza, the Court Sorcerer, for advice. Philza advises him to head to The Badlands (a neighboring kingdom) for treatment and Dream advises him to do the same. 

George heads to The Badlands and stumbles on the Pogtopia rebellion while he does so. He sends a letter back to Philza about his son before starting to get treatment from the Court Sorcerer there; Antfrost. Antfrost makes a break through and finds out that George has a sleeping curse that is similar to one made in an ancient civilization called The Eggpire. This curse makes whoever holds it and those binded together by blood and magic degrade until they fall asleep forever at the age of 30; like what happened to George’s parents. That is all they learn about until one day, George gets overwhelmed with magical energy and falls into a coma. In this coma he finds Dream (like all the other times he has fallen asleep) and tells him about his worries. Dream doesn’t take it like George thought he would. Dream is happy that one day George will be able to spend forever with him in this dream cube. He wakes up a week later to learn that George’s sleeping curse now has a ticking time bomb that will put him into an eternal sleep by the age of 21. 

Hearing this shocks George and he wonders why he has less time than his parents did, but he goes back to the Esempe Kingdom to live his life to the fullest before he dies. Antfrost and Ambassador BadBoyHalo promise to continue their research in case they find anything more. George comes back to Dream calling him into the throne room and crowning him king in front of everyone. While George loves this new opportunity, he can’t help but let his feelings of frustration leak onto the awake!Dream after what sleeping!Dream said when George slipped into the coma.

With all this power at the age of 20, George tries his hardest to be the best, neutral king he can but everything changes when Technoblade, the Commander of the Army, tries to kill him in the name of Pogtopia. He is sure that he died but he wakes up after passing out to find that Dream is the only one to step in and save him. George feels horrible for being mean to awake!Dream after everything he has done for him. He tries to thank Dream, but Dream feels guilty about putting George on the throne and tries to make him step down. George refuses and so Dream makes him agree to the Esempe fighting against Pogtopia. George also refuses because he wants to remain neutral but before he can say another word, Dream grabs his head and he falls asleep only to realize that Dream could control when George had a sleeping episode this entire time. 

George wakes up a couple days later and fights out that Dream lead the Esempe knights and representatives of The Badlands to fight against Pogtopia with Manberg. George is furious with Dream and tries to arrest him when he gets back from the fight only for Dream to have disappeared from amongst the troops. Wilbur is dead, Technoblade and Dream have run after betraying both sides, and Tubbo has stepped up to be the new representative at the age of 17.

George continues to rule and has mysterious meetings with Dream in and out of his sleeping hours where their feelings get confused after drunken kisses. Still, he is declining in health and falls asleep for a week. After he wakes up, he finds out that Camarvan has been burned to the ground by Tommy. Tommy swears that it wasn’t him and that he was possessed by whatever was in these records he has had posession of for the past 6 years. George looks at the records and finds a familiar symbol that Antfrost had shown him when looking at the old records about his sleeping curse. 

To make up for burning their home, Geoge demands that the LManberg cabinet go with him to help him break his sleeping curse. The crew sets out together and Dream joins them. They approach old ruins near Camarvan and find an enderman hybrid tending to the ruins of Camarvan. The enderman helps in translating some of the words in the ruins where Tommy had found the records and Dream reacts weirdly to the place. When George tries to help him around this fit, Dream says that if George’s breaks his curse, Dream would make him pay. George continues on with his plan and is able to break his curse with the help of the others and with the help of the ancient lab they found. 

They all come back to the castle to find that Dream has reinstated Eret on the throne. As King Eret’s first decree, he exiles Tommy. George is furious and confronts Dream with Sapnap. Dream won’t stand down and so George leaves to make a new state named El Rapids with Karl, Sapnap, and Quackity.

Even after George has left, Dream still visits him in his dreams, but he’s different now. This Dream doesn’t wear the mask and is more kind and confused. George gets the feeling that something is going on with Dream and sends a letter to Antfrost for help.  

 After a year of establishing the new nation, and secretly planning Dream’s downfall with the L’Manberg cabinet, the second festival of L’Manberg happens. George shows up as a representative of El Rapids and the festival is attacked by Technoblade, Tommy and Dream. The three blow up L’Manberg and George and Sapnap fight Dream on the battlements. George brings up who the mysterious person is in his dreams and sees a physical switch in Dream. For a split second, a new person comes out and they plead with George to save them. After that cry, Dream slips the mask back on and runs away from George. 

Tommy is brought back to his senses and he swears that he was possessed again. George gets a letter back from Antfrost inviting him to come research with him. George agrees and asks Tubbo to also research here for them after the bombing opened up a crypt covered in the same language that the ancient lab George was cured in was covered with. George discovers the existence of dreamons in The Badlands and watches as Dream is escorted into the prison here in The Badlands by the Warden Sam. 

Convinced that something is happening with Dream, George goes to visit him where Dream tries desperately to convince him that dreamons don’t exist. George won’t believe him and Dream tries to seduce him as a way to prove to distract George. However, George reacts with disgust and knocks Dream away from him. The mysterious second person comes back for a split second and George is able to see that he had not imagined anything at the second festival.

George convinces Sam to let George take Dream with him to the ruins where they can find a way to exorcise him. Tubbo sends word of a book that could potentially help them and George escorts Dream back to the Esempe. Dream fights the whole way and desperately pleads with George not to exorcise him and it pains George to watch him scream in agony as the exorcism takes place. However, the whole time the exorcism happens, George is the only one conscious after everyone reacts as if being burned by fire and pass out. 

After the exorcism, George finds the new person and starts to bring him back to health. 

Everything after that is Clay rehabiliating, George establishing peace, Clay remembering and atoning for the sins of Dream and a happy ending. Except not, because George gets kidnapped by DreamXD. 

I know this is long but if you have any questions, don’t hesitate to ask!

#thekingsfinalbattle #georgenotfound #dream smp #dreamwastaken #dreamxd #dnf

[whereisfoot]

Dream SMP Alignments (as of Oct. 8 2020)

So, @pog2024​ and I were talking after the aftermath of whatever the fuck just happened in yesterday’s streams, and we decided a way to understand it was by making a classic alignment chart based on the characters involved in the current Dream SMP plotline.

So, here are our explanations! This is just based on our interpretations of the characters and our opinions, and also please remember that these are CHARACTERS. None of this is super serious, they’re all friends, and we know that. Anyways, if you’re interested please continue reading! (SPOILERS AHEAD)

Lawful Good: Wilbur I, Dream, and Badboyhalo.

Wilbur I: This is Wilbur prior to yesterday’s stream. Wilbur has, up to today, built up a pretty consistent character who really embodies lawful good. He works in the interest of his nation, but he does so in an honorable way. He works for the freedom of his nation and what he sees is good and just, which is fair of him. Wilbur was a lawful, dependable leader who we could trust to lead the war with words not weapons, and though he strayed into the unlawful from time to time, he still remained generally lawful.

Dream: Some may see Dream as an evil alignment, but I don’t agree with that. I think that in the end, Dream is for the greater good of his server. He believes in law and order and a sense of fairness among everyone. While he did have a villain arc, he clearly did not see himself as such. In his eyes, he was a ruler who had been wrongfully defied. The war for independence was, after all, started because Wilbur wanted to make drugs, and when Dream told them no, he decided to make his own country within Dream’s land where he made the rules. It makes perfect sense that Dream would be against that, but we as the audience were only shown L’Manberg’s viewpoint, and therefore we only saw Dream when he was fighting them. I think if he were truly evil, he would have been much cruller to L’Manberg when they defied him. He had a few dirty moves, but he generally was a man of his word and didn’t attempt to manipulate the opposition in his favor. He plays fair and he plays for what he believes is right.

BadBoyHalo: Bad is a little less clear cut. We put him here because while he is sort of his own agent, he seems to evaluate every situation he becomes a part of very carefully. He doesn’t want to be the bad guy. He was originally on the side of Pogtopia, but he switched because of Tommy’s chaos. This implies that he’s not Pro-Schlatt or Pro-Manberg, but he is anti-Tommy. Tommy is too chaotic and unlawful in his eyes, and that goes against the peaceful environment that Bad wants for the SMP. He wants good and he wants peace and he will fight for that good.

Neutral Good: Niki and Fundy

Niki: I don’t really have much to say on this, but I think that Niki is just purely good. She doesn’t verge too much towards Lawful nor Chaotic. I think she’s very passive and only recently has she been actively fighting. But even so, she is not very confrontational and tends to sit towards the side, though she does speak up to Schlatt and his men when they do something she feels is wrong.

Fundy: Fundy is another one that I think people might disagree with, but I think he’s just neutral good. His spy arc proves that he will do pretty much anything for the greater good, even if that means losing everything in the process. He’s not lawful because he is not afraid to break the law and make people angry. It’s just not a concern of his, he just does what he thinks will secure a “happy ending.” However, he isn’t necessarily chaotic because he is far too calculated. Fundy does not make rash decisions, all of his moves are planned and deliberate, so I think neutral good is the role he fits best.

Chaotic Good: TommyInnit

Tommy: I think everyone will agree with me on this one, but I’ll explain it anyways. Tommy is practically the textbook definition of chaotic good. He has a strong moral code which he proved today, even going against Wilbur when he felt Wilbur was becoming a villain. His sense of right or wrong is bigger than Pogtopia and L’Manberg, but he uses it as a way to make his society better. Tommy is not afraid of causing destruction. He has proven it many times that he is extremely chaotic and will stab shit whenever necessary. He has some plans, but generally acts instinctively and emotionally, which is his weakness. However, his moral code is too strong for him to be anything but good. One thing that’s interesting is that he’s becoming less chaotic and more of a leader. He is becoming less reactionary and more righteous.

Lawful Neutral: Eret, Skeppy

Eret: Eret follows his own interests. When he betrayed L’Manberg, it was because he knew they would lose. It was in his best interest to join who he sees as the winning team. Also, he was not extremely dedicated to L’Manerg’s cause, and it benefited him much more to betray his friends than join in their demise. He wants order and he wants things done fair, and he sees Schlatt as a threat to his interests. So, he tries to help because he believes that by helping Pogtopia, he is securing his power and his position, but he doesn’t truly care for their cause.

Skeppy: Skeppy is kind of hard to place because he hasn’t been super involved. I think he’s similar to Bad, but he doesn’t have as clear of a motivation to do the right thing or ensure the greater good. He doesn’t care much for the conflicts of others until they drag him into it. However, he is lawful in the sense that he fights if he feels he or those around him are wronged. He’ll fight people, he’s not afraid to, but he prefers to stay on his own side separate from everyone else.

True Neutral: Tubbo, Quackity, Punz

Tubbo: Tubbo was a hard one, I wasn’t sure where to place him for a while. But, right now he is playing his cards somewhat close to his chest. There’s a lot of debate as to where his loyalties really lie. He doesn’t seem to be evil, but he’s not exactly good either. His fight for Pogtopia is not for the cause but for his friends. He is driven by his loyalties, but under the threat of Schlatt he could switch in a second. He is too much of a follower to fight back. Tubbo is becoming more and more of his own entity and he’s gaining an odd amount of power as time goes on. He’s dragged himself into the center of an argument that he doesn’t seem to care about.

Quackity: Quackity is another interesting one. Even though he’s on Schlatt’s side, he’s not really evil. Similar to Tubbo, he’s more of a follower than anything. He listens to Schlatt and he supports him but he doesn’t seem to do much on his own accord. He isn’t really lawful or chaotic because, to put it simply, he doesn’t really do enough to be considered either. Quackity is mainly there for humor, but under that it’s clear that he is just watching the SMP burn around him.

Punz: Punz works for those who will help him. He doesn’t care much about who wins or loses, and he’s proven that 25 dollars is more than enough to make him forfeit the fight. Punz wants to keep his power, but he doesn’t seem to want more than what he has already. He’ll fight because he knows he can, not because he feels like he has to for any moral or political reason.

Chaotic Neutral: Technoblade, Sapnap

Techno: Techno is just an agent of chaos. He follows his own rules and his freedom is his main priority. Good and evil are afterthoughts, and he seems to disregard them as long as he’s fulfilling his anarchist agenda. He’s not looking at this from a moral standpoint. He came on because he was summoned, but he isn’t here for Pogtopia. His anarchist view puts him as completely unlawful, he has no regard for what the laws of the server are, he only wants blood. He is chaotic in the sense that he opposes established authority and promotes anarchy, but he is neutral in the sense that he lacks a moral compass regarding the conflict on hand. Similar to Punz, he fights because he can. All he wants is to gain power on his own terms and prove himself as a warrior, whether he’s a fighter for good or evil is not any of his concern.

Sapnap: To put it simply, Sapnap is chaotic neutral because he causes problems just for the sake of causing problems. This is proven with the pet war and with the murder of Henry. He didn’t do that as a deliberate attack on L’Manberg/Tommy, but he knew exactly what would happen. He likes to cause drama and cause fights because he’s bored. However, while he is clearly causing unrest CONSTANTLY, he doesn’t do it to be evil or for the purpose of war. He’s not evil. He doesn’t have the motivation to start a real war like Schlatt, Wilbur, and Dream, but he’ll still help. He’ll switch sides as it benefits him because in the end he doesn’t really care about the outcome. In the end, he just thrives on chaos because that’s what keeps him entertained.

Lawful Evil: GeorgeNotFound

George: George isn’t super involved, so it’s hard to place him but I think he’s pretty clearly Lawful Evil. He wants the power that Schlatt’s giving him (since he didn’t get that from Dream when he was on his side in the original war), and he doesn’t care about what happens to Pogtopia and he doesn’t care who he has to step on. He’s the strength of Schlatt’s administration, and he knows it. George is powerful and when he’s pitted against Pogtopia, he’ll be ruthless. He sees them as lower than him and reacts to their arguments and their fights as if they’re children.

Schlatt: Schlatt is evil just because he wants to be. He knows exactly what he’s doing and he knows every move he makes, even if he’s just going for a bit or for some funny content. He’s another one who’s too calculated to be chaotic, however he rejects tradition and set rules with no respect for established society. This made us think initially that he’d be neutral evil, but his style of evil is lawful. Like Wilbur said, Schlatt was democratically elected through a coalition government. It was all completely lawful and just. Schlatt sees a legal governing system as a better option because it’s easier to exploit. He has the high ground because he became leader fair & square. While he is rejecting tradition and destroying the history of L’Manberg, he is still using the law to his advantage. He seems to lean neutral, but he’s mostly lawful.

Chaotic Evil: Wilbur II

Wilbur II: This is Wilbur after yesterday’s streams. Wilbur has completely snapped, and he’s becoming unhinged. Wilbur began to question himself and whether or not he’s the good guy, something he’s spent all series convincing all of us. Schlatt’s manipulation is tricking even Wilbur into seeing the good in Manberg, corrupting him and driving him mad. This new Wilbur is a bastardization of the man who was president and contradicts everything he once stood for. This Wilbur is violent and impulsive. He wants to hurt people, and he doesn’t care who it is that he hurts even if they’re on his side. He doesn’t trust anyone so everyone’s his enemy. This Wilbur has no regard for morality or his nation, all he wants is to tear everything down and leave nothing in his wake.

So yeah!! Those are our thoughts, feel free to continue discussing this if you want, I’d be really interested to see what you all have to say! Of course, these are all just our opinions and yes, we are definitely taking this way too seriously.

#holy shit that was long #this took a few hours to make so please think its ok #dream smp spoilers #dream smp #mcyt #minecraft #dream smp war #dream smp election #dreamwastaken #tommyinnit #technoblade #sapnap #nihachu #tubbo #georgenotfound #wilbur soot #quackity #eret #fundy #punz #badboyhalo #skeppy

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Dream says c!Schlatt is an idiot

But... is he though?

In Dream’s eyes, sure, okay, Schlatt ends up doing some pretty ‘stupid’ things. I mean, what kind of idiot do you have to be to start heavily drinking in the middle of a war? No armour, no weapons, just... giving up everything for a drink? Becoming an alcoholic in the first place even when you were winning, for no real reason?

And Wilbur agrees. He chastises Dream for taking ‘so long’ to ‘figure it out’. But... he knows Schlatt isn’t stupid. Schlatt has always been cold and calculating and intelligent. His weapon is his words. Until, of course, he falls too low to use those words.

Maybe Wilbur has forgotten that the two of them are sides of the same coin. Fighting in wit rather than flame, deals rather than death. Wilbur is no better than Schlatt, his decline is just less noticable. He turns to destruction while Schlatt turns to the bottle. Their common denominator is paranoia.

When Schlatt gets drunk he gets destructive (see: The White House incident) and incoherent (see: literally any time he does that bit). When Wilbur gets paranoid or he starts to lose even a little bit, he goes to the button room- goes to destroy everything because he doesn’t know what else to do.

My theory is that Schlatt turns to alcohol because he knows no one trusts him, the paranoia and fear getting to his head. He knows he was too harsh, too power-hungry and too hell-bent on hurting Wilbur, and even though he was elected democratically, they (Manburg’s citizens) don’t see it like that. He continues to make poor, unpopular choices in an attempt to show his power and try to get people on his side, but it never works, culminating in the festival incident. No one likes him after that. Everyone leaves him. He deteriorates, physically and mentally.

On the outside, Schlatt goes from terrifying dictator to drunk old fool. He loses his power and his punch, no longer a threat to the people, actually easily overthrown in theory, but he doesn’t become an idiot. 

This was made obvious to me in the scene where Quackity tries to trick Schlatt into signing that contract. Schlatt knows he’s being played the whole time, but keeps everyone in suspense just to toy with Quackity and Wilbur (who he knows is watching). Despite being ‘out-of-it’ at the time, he still manages to be cruel, smart, and intimidating.

Wilbur’s struggle is less physical, less obvious, so no one sees him as some bumbling old man. They see him as a real threat. And yes, Schlatt falls further and further from power and becomes less of a problem, especially when Wilbur has the button and so much more power, but he still isn’t stupid.

Schlatt was never stupid. I think his arc, and his motivations are incredibly interesting, especially if we consider the one-day visit he made to the server so long ago. There are people who have made better comments on that, though.

Schlatt and Wilbur have always been evenly matched, that’s what makes them compelling. As heros or as villains, they can never truly beat each other. They can only co-exist. Death was really the only way for either of them to win. And they got it. They won.

With Wilbur, this is clear-cut. He completes his arc, destroys Manburg, finishes his symphony. Phil, his own father, kills him, and he’s happy. A final satisfaction washes over him and that’s the end of it. He does what he’s wanted to do ever since Schlatt stopped him from becoming president. Schlatt tipped the scales too far, disturbed their equilibrium, and something had to be done. A pay-off as dramatic as the setup.

With Schlatt, it seems like he’s lost. Dying a pitiful death surrounded by a gang of powerful enemies who don’t even need to touch him, just stare down at him like a final judgement. But as I said, Schlatt isn’t stupid, even when mindlessly drunk. Irrational, yes, but not stupid.

He was going to lose from the moment he became president. And he knew it. He let himself become hated. He let people betray him. His own actions fought against it, self-preservation causing him to act out in fits of rage and justice (eg The White House, Tubbo’s execution) but he always knew how it would end. Either they would kill him, take him as a prisoner, or destroy his power. He says himself that he doesn’t care about what happens to Manburg, and his power is barely even an illusion of what it was before, so that leaves two options.

Those two options didn’t suit him. He couldn’t let Wilbur and his friends kill him. He couldn’t become a prisoner. It would be pointless. If he were to die, it would be by his own means. His own story.

He had done what Schlatt, the real Schlatt, does best: constructed a story. A bit. Fundy writes in his journal that he’s physically deteriorating and that he’s a paranoid alcoholic, and it all fits together perfectly. His death seems almost tragic, even inevitable. People are left thinking about what they could have done to help him before he got to this point. Quackity, Fundy, Tubbo, they all left him at his weakest point and now he dies a pathetic death.

It’s the perfect sob-story. Wilbur looks like even more of a villain, and now the two of them can’t be distinguished. Two insane, power-hungry, stupid leaders who both die sad, lonely deaths. Schlatt curated it that way, Wilbur simply followed.

When Dream says “Schlatt is an idiot” and Wilbur agrees, he is proving that he is too far gone to notice that it has all been planned out for him. The old Wilbur would never underestimate Schlatt’s intelligence. He would challenge Dream, not just blindly agree. 

“Never underestimate your oponent, treat him with the same respect you treat yourself, because he is probably smarter.” Techno could have told him that, with his experience of outsmarting squidkid in the potato war, but he choses to keep quiet, letting Wilbur believe he is the smarter, stronger man. A follower of anarchy, if this was purposeful. A fool, if not.

Now Wilbur is just doing what Schlatt wants him to do, becoming the true villain, the traitor, and the insane man to counter Schlatt’s dictator, Schlatt’s alcoholic, Schlatt’s antagonist. He never realises that Schlatt has played him for a fool with his uneventful, self-inflicted demise. He never realises that he and Schlatt will always be equals, no matter what.

And that is what makes Wilbur the idiot.

#dreamsmp #tw alchoholism #tw drug use #character analysis #jschlatt #wilbur soot #dream

[dreamteamfanblog]

I just addressed the idea that there isn’t a traitor.

And I still think that’s the most likely answer. However, the option that Wilbur is the traitor isn’t as impossible as I previously suspected. 

Wilbur and Techno are practically already traitors in all but the technical definition. The most surprising actual option (i do not consider tommy, quackity, niki, or tubbo actual options, sorry) is probably Wilbur. Cause he hates Schlatt, but it wouldn't be a real shock to me tbh given how chaos based he is now, he doesn't necessarily think any of his allies are better people than Schlatt, and if Schlatt gives him an inticing offer, well, it's not like going with Tommy would have been a better option, right? Will thinks everyone is selfish and out to get him, he's paranoid, Schlatt doesn't actually look that bad compared to everyone else given how Wilbur views everyone else so skewed nowadays.

If Schlatt offered Wilbur some sort of deal...would he say no?

I think if Will agreed to  team with Schlatt it'd be after the election. How long after the election though, is a toss up, and I actually wonder if it was before he even revealed his plan to blow everything up to Tommy.

Hell, if Wilbur is the traitor....I have to wonder if he never planned to blow things up in the first place? I mean? The way he keeps putting it off or being stopped right before going through with it so conveniently? And I mean there are other things too. How did Schlatt know Tubbo was a traitor? (I mean everyone knew but how did schlatt the character know) He stopped Tommy from stepping in to protect Tubbo, told Tubbo not to worry cause Techno wouldn't hurt him, then didn't bother messaging Techno the same and didn’t even seem truly bothered by Tubbo being killed! Why did Wilbur let Tubbo be executed then prompt for niki to be killed too? (he phrased it in a way that made him sound upset by the idea but nonetheless it was wilbur soot who suggested niki be killed, not schlatt) Then Schlatt happens to find the tnt without being tipped off??? The only people who know about the tnt are Quackity, Tommy, Tubbo, Niki, Techno, and Will. I fully trust the first four, if someone told Schlatt about the tnt it was Techno or Will. My bets are on Wilbur. And notice how when Schlatt was ranting about the tnt he never addressed Wilbur? He was mocking Quackity and Tommy but never Wilbur...not to mention that WIll kept pressing the buttons in Pogtopia. Maybe because he doesn't care if everything blows up, but also maybe because he knows where exactly the explosives are and which buttons would set them off. If Wilbur is the traitor I don't think he plans or ever planned to blow anything up, I think if Wilbur Soot is the traitor he's been pulling a long con on everyone once again, possibly for the sake of weakening the people of Pogtopia. I mean, there's been an awful lot of emotional turmoil since Wilbur revealed his plan...it's been just bad enough that everyone is stressed and on edge and panicked without Wilbur actually having to press the button..it could all be a ploy if Wilbur really is the traitor.

I mean, fuck, just today he was acting even more unhinged then before. why?. Wilbur has almost pressed the button twice before today. Why is he so unhinged today? Why can't he form any coherent thoughts? Why is every. single. word out of his mouth "lets blow stuff up! :D"? All the way up until Dream revealed that there was a traitor, that is, to which Wilbur immediately laughed off how "well it isn't me! i can't betray much more than i already have given how i've been talking alllll day about wanting to blow everything up! right quack, right tommy? ya'll remember that, right? i was pressing random buttons just five seconds ago, remember! such a shame schlatt just so happened to find the tnt on the day i was going to blow everything up. such a shame indeed. so yeah, it cannot be me!" then proceeded to stop talking about blowing stuff up and start having normal conversation with the other's till he left? 

There’s something i've been thinking about since the beginning. How Wilbur telling Tommy he'd never be president/suggesting that's what Tommy is really afraid of was actually projection. Because Tommy wants to be president but not for the power like Will seemed to believe. Someone suggested that Wilbur is actually afraid of Tommy taking power and becoming leader instead of him, which is why he's been trying to hard to break Tommy's spirits in any way he can. Because Wilbur wants power and he's so afraid one of these younger passionate good people who care deeply about the country- like Quackity or god forbid Tommy- will end up taking that away from him.

This whole tnt thing easily could be nothing but a ploy to break Tommy’s spirit. Wilbur tells Tommy he’s going to blow everything up, this hurts Tommy immensely right off the bat due to his past faith in Wilbur. Will then tells Tubbo about the fake discs knowing Tubbo would tell Tommy, which would hurt him even further knowing how he was lied to by Wilbur about the things that meant the most to him. Wilbur could easily have sold Tubbo out to Schlatt then coordinated the day he was supposedly meant to be blowing the place up with Tubbo’s execution so that he could force Tommy to watch without it being suspicious why he’d be there if he didn’t think anything big was going to happen, telling Tommy and Tubbo both that nothing bad would happen only to not give any instructions to Techno. He then facilitated the fight between Tommy and Techno to further mess with Tommy’s head. Wilbur then proceeded to give Tommy very little time to think or even breathe as he rapidly throughout the next few weeks threatened to set off the tnt multiple other times, sending the kid into a further panic. He likely warned Schlatt about the tnt and about the fact that the meeting was a trap, once again an attempt to screw with Tommy by forcing him into a position where he once again had to desperately convince Wilbur not to detonate. Wilbur knows exactly where the tnt is placed now, that’s why he said he would check after the stream without seeming concerned at all about being blown up. Wilbur may very well know where it is because he may very well be teamed with Schlatt, and saying the Tnt might be placed not only in Tommy’s nation of L’manburg, but in his temporary home of Pogtopia too? It’s certainly going to fuck with Tommy. Then after Fundy shows up and gives them good news, well, WIlbur could easily have been the one to call Dream, wanting him to give the bad news that not only was he teaming against them, but that there was a traitor among them too. That could have been a way to ruin any positive effects Fundy’s hopeful news would have inspired and further enforce the paranoia Wilbur had been trying to put in Tommy’s head since the first time he suggested they couldn’t trust anyone, even Tubbo (which will obviously didn’t believe since he proceeded to not only trust tubbo with his plan but give him the code to detonate)...

It’s not the most likely theory, but it fits way too well.

#wilbur soot #mcyt #dream smp #tommyinnit

[ruby-whistler]

Because im a clown and forgot to add- punz betraying dream was a good thing in fact because by it he saved tubbo's life and kept tommy from being put in pandora's vault -curious anon

i… never said that it wasn’t? i only said he did it because he got a better pay, not because he disliked c!dream or was mistreated by him. i agree he should’ve been stopped, i genuinely don’t know where you got that from? /dsmp /rp

that goes for the rest of your asks about the “everyone’s villain” post. i didn’t ask for a list of things c!dream has done to “hurt” people, that’s not in the slightest what the post was about. /nm

this is about c!dream genuinely hurting people in a way that actually affects them negatively or puts him into an antagonist-y position in their overall narrative. it’s about his position in people’s narratives. doomsday? the country that hurt people was being destroyed, and the people it hurt agreed with it (techno, phil, niki, fundy, even dream in a sense), but it being destroyed only hurt tubbo, tommy, ghostbur and quackity, the people already mentioned as ones he has hurt. my point still stands.

he fought against fundy in a war, i’ve already said that …so did george, sapnap and punz. i don’t see them being casted as people who have hurt or mistreated him to the point of being antagonists/villain in his narrative. once again, that would be c!wilbur and c!schlatt (and probably others).

we’re talking about him hurting people, not presumably trying to control them to establish peace, so the vault scene doesn’t narratively matter. even then he only had attachments in it for about half the server.

him griefing bbh’s mansion once didn’t leave any lasting effect or hurt in the slightest, tommy also burnt down tubbo’s house once, at this point you’re just nitpicking.

and yes, he did let people hurt sapnap’s pets (not mars or beckerson, interestingly enough) after he murdered theirs and made them dangerously bloodthirsty. fundy is more of an antagonist to sapnap than dream is in this scenario - there is no indication he ever actually cared about dream letting them do that, and it’s not like it mattered either because he didn’t tell fundy to do something to hurt sapnap, that was a hundred percent his own decision and his fault. sapnap fought against dream before as well - he’s a wildcard with pretty much no allegiance.

while they are friends, i don’t think sapnap getting himself into a fight and dream helping both sides equally could be considered betrayal or hurtful, and narratively doesn’t make dream an antagonist in his story.

the only person i forgot and the only mistake i made was i forgot ghostbur existed. in the end, he did revive wilbur in an attempt to escape from being tortured, and although i find that pretty understandable it did still hurt ghostbur and is counted towards the “villain in narrative” counter, making the total number of characters he’s very negatively affected 4.

it’s literally explained in the post; “I'm not talking about him hurting people, I'm talking about a position when he literally is being the antagonist (or one of them) of their story because he badly impacts their life on a larger scale.”

this was not a post about in-character morals. this was a meta post about characters’ narratives and the overall dream smp narrative, which gets limited down to “tommy hero dream villain” without considering any actual Nuance and while completely disregarding all other lore.

i still find it accurate without the additional info because it made no difference and didn’t need to be included since it didn’t have anything to do with the topic of the post. my point still stands. :] /lh

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