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fantastic-nonsense · 2 years

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Can of Worms Time;

Say you were editor of The Nightwing and BOP books and there’s fan demand for Dick and Babs to finally tie the knot.

How would you pull it off?

Well I wouldn't do it by having Dick feel pressured to propose to a woman he's not actually actively in a relationship with anymore because he thinks he's going to die and wants to get it off his chest before he runs off, gets hit by a massive energy beam during a multiversal invasion event, and ends up in a coma, that's for sure.

No I'm not bitter about Infinite Crisis and Devin Grayson's continual misunderstanding of Dick and the Dick/Babs relationship, why do you ask?

More seriously, let's play this out with post-Crisis!Dick/Babs but sprinkle in the occasional piece of post-Flashpoint stuff (aka, we're talking Nightwing and Oracle, competent and independent adult heroes who both actively lead their own teams, have their own friend groups, have had serious previous love interests, and have their own responsibilities outside of a relationship with each other).

Realistically, the actual proposal would likely be pretty quiet. Dick and Babs are both pretty private people when it comes to their relationship and they both know what a Production™ their family and friends would cause if they knew there were plans (I'm thinking about Dinah and Tim specifically here, but everyone involved would be guilty). I think they'd wait a few days before letting everyone know.

My running gag during the wedding prep era would be that every time they're trying to plan an aspect of the wedding, they keep getting called out to go deal with superhero stuff. This would obviously usually be within the context of whatever a-plot they're dealing with in their individual books, but also just...littering references here and there about other stuff happening in the background.

Trying to book a caterer? Whoops, all-hands-on-deck alien invasion. Talking about flowers? Gotham's had another Arkham breakout. Trying to get to a dress fitting? Oh no, the Birds need help breaking into a high-security prison in Bialya. Scheduling their mandatory pre-marital counseling sessions? Oops, the Titans need help dealing with some major universe-ending threat. Nothing that actually puts a strain on Dick and Babs' relationship, but something that's just exasperating enough to be plausible for two characters who are traditionally DCU linchpin characters with a lot of responsibilities and funny enough for readers to not get tired of it.

I think it would also be fun to have a Nightwing issue focused on Dick running around Bludhaven dealing with petty crime while trying to figure out who his best man is going to be. Should it be Wally, who's been the best man at all of his previous weddings/wedding attempts? Should it be Roy, who's stuck by him again and again and (Dick thinks) should get a chance to actually be in a wedding party that's not his dad's for once? Should it be Tim, the sibling he's closest to? Should it be Donna, who he walked down the aisle at her own wedding? He has so many choices, all of which would be good choices for different reasons and none of whom would be particularly offended by him picking someone else. He picks Wally in the end, because why mess with what works, and asks the others+Garth and Damian to be groomsmen (yes, Donna's at the altar with him too).

At some point, Babs just appoints Dinah as her Maid/Matron of Honor and lets her run her entire wedding prep process for her. Babs might be a control freak, but this is one area where she's largely happy to let someone else take care of the minutia. She grabs the rest of the BOP Core Four+Cass, Steph, and Alysia as her bridesmaids, picks out her dress, and calls it a day.

As for the wedding itself, I want two things out of it: one, someone important (not Dick or Babs, so maybe Wally or one of the Bats?) nearly doesn't make it to the venue because of a massive superhero conflict, and two, the actual wedding goes off without a hitch. I'm very determined that the actual wedding will not be interrupted or otherwise ruined in any way after the disaster that was Dick/Kory's attempted wedding and the pre-wedding trials I just talked about. So they get their wedding, they go on a honeymoon somewhere, and they TURN OFF THEIR COMMS for a week. The honeymoon period is for enjoyment, not distractions; they've both had enough of those.

Publishing/IRL time-wise, the proposal would happen in a Nightwing issue, I'd let the engagement era happen over a year or so (so 12 issues for both the Nightwing and BOP books, exploring the process from both their POVs) and then have their wedding in a crossover issue. So...yeah, that's how I'd pull off a Dick/Babs engagement and wedding in the context of Dick and Babs both having their own books.

#dick grayson #barbara gordon #dc comics #my writing #asks #dickbabs #otp: acrobats #the only other in-character option is a shotgun wedding which I think would be SUPER funny but not very romantic #...also they both deserve better than that tbh

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dayenurose · 9 months

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Dick/Babs Week 2023

Written for Dick/Babs Week 2023 ( @dickbabsweek ) with the prompts Workplace Romance and Matchmaking. Hope you enjoy! ~rose

Misfiled

Summary: Despite mutually pining over each, Dick and Babs remain cordial colleagues. Looks like it’s up to Diana’s and Helena to get these two together.

A no-capes, librarian AU.

Excerpt:

From her spot at the circulation desk, Barbara Gordon had a decent perspective of the first floor of the library. Straight ahead, she had a clear view of the front door, to her left, the shelves filled with dvds and audiobooks, and, pertinent to the moment, to her right, she could glimpse a portion of the children’s section. Due to the relatively quiet nature of the library, she couldn’t help but overhear as the children’s librarian led story time.

Technically, she didn’t need to limit her observations to eavesdropping over the excited exclamations of the children as her fellow librarian juggled multiple pairs of rolled socks in an imitation of a washing machine. Since there were no patrons in need of help at present and Dinah was also at the front desk, she could take a circuit of the floor. If her circuit happened to linger a few moments longer than necessary in the children’s section, well, no one would be none the wiser.

From the corner of her eye, Babs studied her friend. Dinah hummed to her herself as she steadily entered the intake information into the system from this week’s stack of new magazines. Though her best friend appeared to be lost in her work, Babs knew the moment she moved, Dinah would notice. And Dinah wasn’t the person Babs wanted to notice her comings and goings.

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#dickbabsweek2023 #barbara gordon #dick grayson #dick/babs #fanfic #otp #oracle #nightwing

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whatohitsonfirewelp · 2 years

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Not enough of y’all talk about how toxic dickbabs is

#not even the age difference (but that CAN be creepy at times along with how y’all seem keen on Dick being with older woman)#but just the chemistry? the relationship?#it’s not a healthy one #now I love Babs #she’s a MESSY character and I love it #I don’t want nice or amazing or perfect I WANT messy #and their relationship #is so incredibly messy and unhealthy #and it’s like so good story wise #but y’all need to accept and learn that that also means it’s not a good one #it’s not healthy or amazing it’s messed up #so like say their your otp good for you big acknowledge the fucked up ness with their relationship #whatoh back at it again #dick grayson #barbara gordon #anti dickbabs #no but the fact that it’s a messy with their age difference and she could be like 16 to her 20’s when they first kissed and he was like 13 #is so terrible holy shit #like he’s a BABY middle school age!!!#she can have a freaking license!!!#I’m in a mood to piss off people in the dc fandom this week lads

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thatthirdtriplet · 2 months

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Relationships:

Tim Drake & Damian WayneTim Drake & Dick GraysonTim Drake & Bruce WayneDick Grayson & Damian WayneTalia al Ghul & Damian WayneTim Drake & Jason ToddJason Todd & Damian WayneStephanie Brown & Tim DrakeTim Drake & Alfred PennyworthAlfred Pennyworth & Damian WayneTim Drake & Barbara GordonTim Drake & Tam FoxBart Allen & Damian WayneBart Allen & Tim DrakeTim Drake & Kon-El | Conner KentKon-El | Conner Kent & Damian WayneTim Drake & Cassie SandsmarkCassie Sandsmark & Damian WayneTam Fox & Damian WayneAlfred Pennyworth & Jason ToddBarbara Gordon & Jason ToddMara al Ghul & Damian Wayne

Characters:

Tim Drake Damian Wayne Dick Grayson Bruce Wayne Stephanie Brown Jason Todd Alfred Pennyworth Tam Fox Bart Allen Cassie Sandsmark Kon-El | Conner Kent Mara al Ghul

Mentioned:

Mentioned Bernard Dowd Mentioned Talia al Ghul

Additional Tags:

Tim Drake-centric Damian Wayne-centric Tim Drake Needs a Hug Damian Wayne Needs a Hugs siblings Bonding implied/Referenced Child Abuse past Child Abuse past Abuse Bruce Wayne is a Bad Parent bad Parent Talia al Ghul enemies to friends to brothers I wanna specify that bad parent bruce wayne is for tim not damian this was supposed to be a oneshot no beta we die like robin Antisemitism Racismsome of the stuff they do can be construed as self harm Jewish Tim Drake Bad Person Bruce Wayne so Bruce is the scum of the earth in this Whump Hurt/Comfort I tried so hard to make Bruce be redeemable but I couldn't do that and tell a good story So here we are Bisexual Tim Drake I do mention Bernard Dowd because Timbern is my OTP but it's offhanded It’s there to bully Tim does anyone else remember the redboard or is it just me? Angst with a Happy Ending hopeful Ending it isn't a nice tight bow on the story but it wraps it up

Summary:

Once upon a time, Tim and Damian wanted each other dead. Now they're sure that the other is the only one that really gets it anymore.

AKA Tim and Damian have the same trauma around training that they consider to be the norm and are glad to find another person who "trains like a normal person" instead of realizing that they're the outliers.

#tim drake #damian wayne #tim drake & damian wayne #jason todd #dick grayson #barbra gordon #bruce wayne #alfred pennyworth #stephanie brown #cassie sandsmark #bart allen #conner kent #kon el kent #some common ground

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dc-rarepair-week · 3 months

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Here are some examples of rarepairs people have already asked me about:

Conner Kent / Bart Allen

Barbara Gordon / Kara Danvers

Bart Allen / Jaime Reyes

Jaime Reyes / Eddie Bloomberg

Talia Kane / Laurel Kent

Damian Wayne / Garfield Logan

Dick Grayson / Roy Harper

Raven / Starfire

Polyships

Unpopular characters and any pairing they have basically😅

Reminder: I am not going to be policing the pairings. I'm using ao3 as a guide for myself but I'll let everyone make their own judgments. If you believe that your ship does not get a lot of love and attention, then go ahead and use them! 😁

But if you want my opinion, send me an ask 💌

That all being said, I will also not let my personal opinions on a ship affect my willingness to reblog your work. Damijon is my OTP but feel free to make submissions for Jonjay, Damiline, or whatever. (I will not reblog anything that violates Tumblr's community guidelines though)

#conner kent #bart allen #bartkon #bluepulse #jaime reyes #eddie bloomberg #talia kane #laurel kent #talaurel #damian wayne #garfield logan #damigar #rarepair #dc rarepair week 2024 #dc comics

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ao3feed-birdflash · 9 months

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#IFTTT #fanfic #dick grayson #wally west #dickwally #birdflash

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bee-a-garbage-shipper · 11 months

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DC Universe Ships

OTP:

Jason Todd x Tim Drake Bruce Wayne x Dick Grayson Pamela Isley | Poison Ivy x Harleen Quinzel | Harley Quinn

Love:

Tim Drake x Conner Kent | Kon-El Tim Drake x Cassandra Cain Damian Wayne x Jonathan Kent Jonathan Kent x Jay Nakamura Garfield Logan x Tara Markov | Terra

Like:

Bruce Wayne x Barbara Gordon Dick Grayson x Jason Todd Dick Grayson x Princess Koriand'r | Kory Anders Dick Grayson x Rachel Roth Tim Drake x Bernard Dowd Tim Drake x Jonathan Kent Steve Trevor x Diana Prince Cassandra Cain x Stephanie Brown Garfield Logan x Rachel Roth Damian Wayne x Rachel Roth Barry Allen x Iris West Oliver Queen x Felicity Smoak Leonard Snart x Barry Allen Character x Original Character

Neutral:

Jason Todd x Barbara Gordon Tim Drake x Stephanie Brown Clark Kent | Kal-El x Lois Lane Clark Kent | Kal-El x Diana Prince Bruce Wayne x Diana Prince Dick Grayson x Wally West Clark Kent | Kal-El x Bruce Wayne Bruce Wayne x Selina Kyle Jason Todd x Roy Harper Dick Grayson x Barbara Gordon Oliver Queen x Laurel Lance Kara Zor-El x Lena Luthor Any Ship Not Listed

Dislike:

Bruce Wayne x The Joker Clark Kent | Kal-El x Lex Luther Conner Kent | Kon-El x M’gann M’orzz | Megan Morse The Joker x Anyone

Hate:

Harleen Quinzel | Harley Quinn x The Joker

#dc #dc au #dcu #dc comics #dccu #dcau #my ships #🐝 has spoken #🐝's post #western animation

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sockich · 2 years

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Bruce during his and Khoa's "bitterly divorced" period: Doesn't talk about Khoa at all, to anyone, ever.

(From Batman v3 #104.)

Bruce when he and Khoa are reconciled: Contact Ghost-Maker. [...] Is Ghost-Maker— [...] Can you reach Ghost-Maker?

(From Batman v3 #109, #110 & #112.)

#poor babs went from 'why have i never heard of this guy before' to 'holy shit i wish i never had to hear about this guy again' 😂#bruce wayne #love him #minhkhoa khan #otp!#dick grayson #barbara gordon #love them #batfamily #ghostbat #ghostbatedit #batman #dc #comics #my posts

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ao3feed-brucewayne · 8 months

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OTP Fights

read it on AO3 at https://ift.tt/nAl0Ebt by Author_Chan06 A top ship list changes their ranks. Words: 778, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English Series: Part 15 of Gotham Online Fandoms: Batman - All Media Types, Batman (Comics) Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Categories: F/F, F/M, M/M, Multi Characters: Gotham City Residents, Joker (DCU), Jason Todd, Bruce Wayne, Harleen Quinzel, Oswald Cobblepot Relationships: Pamela Isley/Harleen Quinzel, Oswald Cobblepot/Edward Nygma, Barbara Gordon/Dick Grayson, Oswald Cobblepot/Jim Gordon, Selina Kyle/Bruce Wayne, Joker (DCU)/Bruce Wayne, Gotham City Residents & Gotham City Residents, Gotham City Residents & Rogues Gallery (Batman), Batfamily Members & Gotham City Residents, Batfamily Members & Rogues Gallery (Batman) Additional Tags: Shipping, Some Of Them Aren’t Actually Real Just Speculation, The Fightings Mostly Friendly Honestly, Joker (DCU) Loves Bruce Wayne, City Dynamics, Fandom dynamics, Social Media read it on AO3 at https://ift.tt/nAl0Ebt

#IFTTT #bruce wayne #batman #the caped crusader #the dark knight #dcu #ao3 #ao3feed

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luanna801 · 2 years

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Despite everything, does Birds of Prey #8 still hold up?

So the simple answer to that is that, for me (and I can't really speak for anyone else), yes, it does.

But because I'm me, I'm also going to go a bit deeper here. And for some reason, this got SUPER long, so I'm breaking it into multiple parts and putting this under a cut:

Part 1: Chuck Dixon and His Politics

To start with, I'm assuming that by "despite everything", you're referring to Chuck Dixon's frankly horrifying politics (as seen in his bizarre recent series Alt-Hero), and the understandable backlash against him as both a person and a writer as a result.

I get this, absolutely. It's honestly a very complicated thing for me to know that Dixon wrote some of my favorite comics in the late 90s and early 00s, and also know that he's someone whose beliefs I find repugnant in so many ways. And it isn't just BoP #8 - Dixon's runs on Birds of Prey, Nightwing, Robin and so on in that era were incredibly influential. He basically WAS the Batfam in that era. He created the Birds of Prey team. He co-created Stephanie Brown. He had a huge influence on shaping Tim Drake's character and the various relationships between the Batfamily members. In many ways, Dixon is responsible for the incarnation of the Batfam that I love.

Nor can you pretend that his politics have nothing to do with his writing, because Dixon's values have always informed what he writes, to good and bad (like his rather infamous statement that "superhero comics are, whether die-hard fans like it or not, ostensibly children’s comics and perhaps not the forum to be informing children of homosexuality, heterosexuality, or sexually transmitted disease", an obviously questionable statement since he wrote numerous heterosexual romances in his comics but disapproved of gay characters being included, or included in what he considered the "wrong" ways.)

I will argue that, from what I can tell, Dixon definitely wasn't always as extreme a conservative as he is now - current Chuck Dixon would never have written this scene, for example, and would probably criticize it as the kind of "pushing a SJW agenda scene" he now condemns if someone else had written it. Some of the values 90s/00s Chuck Dixon promoted in his comics were, in fact, things I agree with and enjoyed about them. You don't have to be a conservative to enjoy wholesome family dynamics or a subtler approach to sex and romance, even though I obviously disagree with certain things he excludes from his definition of "family friendly".

I also think that, overall, 90s/00s Dixon wrote female characters with respect and nuance, and while he may not have always gotten it right, he also clearly cared deeply about writing Babs as a badass, complex, lovable disabled character, and he wrote some of my favorite scenes with her in that era. And while his writing definitely had some issues with characters of color, I'd argue it was no worse than most comic writers of the time, and better than some who are avowedly liberal (like Devin Grayson).

None of this is me trying to be like "Well, twenty years ago Chuck Dixon was Good and Unproblematic Actually", but I do think that he seems to have become alarmingly radical over time, in a way that I think goes far beyond anything that was ever reflected in his classic comic runs. And when it comes to BoP #8 specifically, I think you don't really see much political subtext in it, even to the degree that this was already present in his writing then. So if you can appreciate any of his work in spite of his current politics, BoP #8 is a good bet. But to those who can't appreciate anything he wrote anymore, I obviously understand.

Part 2: "Holding Up":

I think when we ask if a work “holds up”, we’re usually talking about something that was popular when it first came out, but might be viewed differently now because of how society’s shifted over time, whether that’s with regard to serious social issues, or just our standards for what we consider good storytelling (for example, we might criticize the special effects in an older movie for not “holding up”, where the original audience might have thought they looked awesome.)

The thing is, though, I didn’t read Birds of Prey #8 when it first came out, or anywhere near it. It was published in August 1999, when I was only seven years old, and I didn’t even become a comic fan until long afterwards. At a guess, I think I first read it sometime in 2012, shortly after I started becoming a serious DC/Batfam fan (the first post about it on my old blog is from January 2012, but I’m not sure if I’d read the full comic yet or just seen certain scenes/pages posted.) So in a sense, the fact that I read it well over a decade after it was originally published and loved it in the first place is proof that it holds up, or at least did then.

I can only imagine how much more exciting it must’ve been to read it when it first came out, honestly - Dick and Babs weren’t a couple yet then, nor had they ever been despite some flirting, and unless I’m mistaken it’s the first time an entire issue had been devoted to their relationship and their potential romance like that. It must’ve been incredibly exciting for shippers to read it and realize DC was actually serious about those two, and watch the relationship continue developing over the next several years.

But that wasn’t my reading experience. By the time I came along, nothing in that issue was remotely new or groundbreaking, and yet I loved the heck out of it and still do.

On the flipside, I’m sure there are people who read it at the time who absolutely hated it, and would say to this day that it can’t possibly “hold up” because it was never good to begin with. I got into a debate a while back (seven years ago, if you can believe it!) with a fan who clearly feels that way, and while I still think a lot of the points they raised don’t hold much water, I’m sure there are plenty of people who share their opinion.

Part 3: Disability Representation

Obviously, one of the biggest questions in whether BoP #8 “holds up” - and a far more loaded one than whether it holds up as a good romance issue (which I think most Dick/Babs shippers at any rate would agree it does) - is whether it holds up as good representation of a disabled character, and specifically of a disabled character finding romance.

I certainly see fans, to this day, using some of the panels from this comic as an example of the strength and confidence Babs had in her role as Oracle, and what was lost when DC took that away:

Babs: Y'know, a lot of the time it's like you Batguys want me to hold onto the past because you can't get over it. Understand -- I have. I have a new life now, one I like -- one that fulfills me. It's not the same one I had before, but it's good. Maybe even better.

But she also talks about how difficult the healing process was and that to some degree she’s still not “over it”, which I suppose could make the representation either better or worse, depending on your perspective:

Babs: Everyone talks about 'closure' now. When tragedy strikes they say you need 'closure'. What a crock. I wanted revenge. Swear you won't tell anybody... part of me still does. I remember that night every time I answer the door. And I think about what was taken from me.

Personally, I like the complexity! That she’s not just some perfect aspirational figure, but feels like a real person with messy and conflicting feelings about what happened to her. She’s allowed to be proud and confident in her new role, and yet a part of her is still angry and bitter and in mourning about what she went through. That feels real, to me.

Then there’s the romance angle: I’ve certainly seen this issue (and more largely, this arc) praised for how it defies stereotypes by giving a disabled character a fulfilling love life, and showing a disabled woman as unambiguously romantic and desirable. At the same time, some people might not appreciate how Barbara’s insecurities, which at least partly stem from her disability, are treated as an obstacle to the relationship (“I don’t like to be pushed around”). They might find that stereotypical or demeaning. Similarly, I’ve certainly seen people who find Dick’s attitude pushy or condescending, and feel he should just be listening to Babs rather than pushing her to heal on his terms:

Dick: You know better than that, Babs.

Babs: Does that mean you'll get me down?

Dick: That means you have to trust me.

Ultimately, I’m not a member of the disabled community and I’m definitely not paraplegic or a wheelchair user, so it’s not really for me to say how this issue holds up as disabled representation. I’ve pointed out some elements I think are strengths and some possible criticisms, but that’s all I can really say. Ultimately, it’s for the people actually being represented here to decide if they think this still holds up in that regard.

So those are my overly-long thoughts! The tl;dr is yes, I definitely think it holds up and I still love it. But there are a lot of factors to consider, and I certainly know there are others who would feel differently. I’d welcome other people adding their thoughts, if anyone thinks I missed something relevant or has more to contribute to the conversation!

#replies #anons #birds of prey 8 #dickbabs #dick grayson #nightwing #barbara gordon #oracle #birds of prey #chuck dixon #analysis #rambling #disability #representation #dick and babs #otp #favorite issues

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avaoracle · 2 years

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Me too Timmy, me too

Nightwing #85 (2016-)

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super-madi16 · 3 years

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Crying because I love it so much!!

#dickbabs #dick grayson #barbara gordon #batgirl #nightwing #robin #my post #otp #comics

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ablogthatishenceforthmine · 2 years

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Even if Barbara is in season 4 of the Titans, I am 0% worried about Dickbabs happening again. The writers definitively closed the loop on that storyline. And it was a nice, closed endingl they’re not going to undo that. Even with the show’s not great writing, I can’t see them revisiting that again.

Plus, the show isn’t one to really one to revisit storyliines from the previous seasons. I think it is often to it’s detriment, but here, at least, it gives me faith that they aren’t going to do dickbabs again.

I don’t want to tell people how to feel, but I really think people are overreacting. I’m seeing people say that dickkory is definitively dead now and that they are never going to happen. That Dickkory “lost? Like it’s one picture? That doesn’t really say much. And definitely doesn’t say that dickbabs is happening again. I think fandom can really inspire people to have extreme emotional reactions to things in a way that’s not healthy or proportional. And I’m not trying to be like preachy or holier than thou by saying this. I was and still am (although thankfully to a much lesser degree now) a part of that, so I get it. I just dont think it’s healthy; it certainly hasn’t been and isn’t healthy for me.

And are people really forgetting the Mari vision and the comments made by greg around that? Dickkory’s not dead. It’s pretty clear what direction the show is going in. And even if they don’t get together in season 4, I really don’t see it having anythjng to do w/ dickbabs.

I had a lot of problems w/ Barbara’s character, but I think there were elements about her that really worked and I saw a lot of potential in her character. My main issue was that the only character that she really had a relationship w/ and interacted w/ was Dick. And if bringing her back for season 4 allows them to kind of fix that issue, to show her character outside of her dynamic with Dick and see her form bonds and dynamics w/ other characters...I’d be down w/ that.

Although, I’m note sure how they’d really fit in her character this season, apart from like a guest appearance. One of her defining traits was that she is all about Gotham, so I wonder how’d they get her into this action away from Gotham. And like when we left her, Gotham and it’s police force needed major rebuilding. So I think it would ruin her character to have her step away from that in order to help the titans. But maybe they could find a way to make it work in a way that doesn’t massacre her character, who knows?

Although, If she does come back, I know there will be a ton of stupid, immature ship war stuff again among the fans (from both sides) regardless of that level of interactions between dick and barbara. So yeah, if she does come back, really not looking forrward to seeing that again.

But yeah, we don’t even know if Barbara is in season 4, and if she is, i’m still confident her and dick’s romantic relationship is over for good in the show

#titans #dickkory #kory anders #dick grayson #barbara gordon #titans season 4 #titans spoilers #koriand'r #nightwing #starfire #my posts #ablogthatishenceforthmine #otp: maybe we can figure it out together

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