#persecutor

[system-cypress]

IMPORTANT PSA ABOUT 'PROBLEMATIC SOURCES'

If you ban certain alters from certain sources from your space, you are being abelist. No one controls how introjects form, no one controls their source and no one exists just to trigger you. Try to take a minute to realize that excluding those alters alienates so many systems. It's not up to you how systems cope.

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[frenzy-sys]

Dangerous Persecutors

The thing about persecutors is that there is a high level of nuance that systems as a community (especially the cesspool of syscord) don't talk about in a way that can help recently discovered systems navigate a healthy relationship with these alters.

In case you need to hear this; yes, some alters and persecutors are not safe for the system or responsibilities outside the system. No, some alters are not ready to work on themselves through the power of 'magic and friendship'. Some are violent towards the body or other things like animals/pets, wanting to destroy precious items or spend the system's money maliciously, or intentionally wanting to hurt people close to the system. THIS IS NOT THE SYSTEM'S FAULT OR THE COLLECTIVE ACTIONS OF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM WHEN AN ALTER DOES ACT THIS WAY. However: It is the system's responsibility in this situation is to do everything it can to control said alter's fronting or take appropriate actions to minimize this behavior/damage.

"That's not nice :(((" is going to mean nothing to them. Some will take years of help and patience to become a team member in the system, and safe to front alone.

One of our oldest members was a persecutor who did not begin his healing until almost 8 years later. It was not until his actions led to him losing the most important person and the only thing he cared about for him to finally be ready to listen and see his faults. And for some alters it will unfortunately be the only way to get off that path and listen.

This alter is not a bad person for how they formed; it is so important to remember that alters form as they are for a reason, and persecutors are most often doing things or believing fully their actions are the right ones, for the system's well-being or their own. And while you need to keep your system safe, you also have to have that patience and system teamwork extended to the struggling alter. In extreme cases, professional help is most often what is needed, especially when they pose a physical threat to others or the body.

They may spit in your face, and threaten that the second they are free they will do horrible things. But It is going to take a combination of both listening to this alter and granting them humanity, while also protecting yourself and people who are at risk of these alter's actions.

#did system #osdd system #system #did #osdd #dissociative identity disorder #sysblr #did osdd #dissociative system #actually did #actually osdd #actually traumagenic #dni endos #endos dni #dni proendo #persecutor

[sysboxes]

[Text: This system’s persecutor isolates, please don’t feel hurt if we ignore you for a while.]

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[pigeon-system-boys]

It's awlays "persecuters are misguided protectors" until

Tw: mention of tortment, SA and grooming. No details

It's awlays "persecuters are misguided protectors" until they hurt body nealy to death

It's awlays "persecuters are misguided protectors" until somebody ask them to be honest and after dialogue beg host to never let "this creep" front again

It's awlays "persecuters are misguided protectors" until they truly want to torture someone

It's awlays "persecuters are misguided protectors" until they groom a little in system, cause it's fun

Remember. Persecuters can be different, just like any other alters. Yours is misguided protector? Good.

Ours are fucking evil.

#did osdd #osdd system #did system #actually did #actually osdd #hc did #programmed system #complex dissociative identity disorder #complex did #c did #did alter #system alters #persecutor #actually fucked up

[imp-in-black]

I support 'problematic' alters.

That;

Cause problems constantly

Get people angry

Get banned and blacklisted in servers

Are hated by their system members

Don't regret any of it

Are not allowed to front due to all the above and more

You are good enough, you are allowed to be upset and angry. You can be yourself. You are not less for being 'problematic'.

#system #did #osdd #fictive #persecutor #osddid #factive #osdd system #did system #plural #plurality #multiplicity

[freakthingg]

shoutout to people who have persecutors that are genuinely dangerous. persecutors who are abusive to other parts in the system. persecutors who recreate abuse by beating, s/aing, and killing other parts. persecutors who have to be locked up or kept from front for the safety of the system and the body. persecutors who target children, or animals, or other vulnerable alters in the system.

not all persecutors are the edgy, meany part who says not nice things sometimes. some persecutors are genuinely horrible to the rest of the system or those outside it even. not all of them can 'get better' by being talked to gently and told nice words. some need to be locked in places insys or otherwise punished for the safety of the system itself.

i'm not a bad person for having parts like this, nor am i bad person for the way i HAVE to deal with them. i cannot heal them on my own, i need a therapist in order to safely do so. and that doesn't make me a shitty person.

#actually traumatized #actually abused #osddid #endos dni #non traumagenic dni #traumagenic #polyfragmented #polyfrag system #ramcoa system #cdid #cdid system #pfdid #pf did #persecutor

[thecataclysmic6]

Hi yes I am persecutor alter and this is my emotional support little.

#system joke #did #didosdd #osdd1b #persecutor #little #alters #he picks flowers for me and if anyone makes him cry i will make them cry #did system #😈

[positivitycombopack]

Shout out to persecutors who aren’t “reformed.”

You are in your system for a reason. You were split from blood, sweat, tears, and trauma. So much trauma. Someone needed to be mean. Someone needed to be the asshole. And you’re the person who got that job.

You may not like your job. You may love it. But regardless, it’s yours, and you are needed here.

You don’t need to be “reformed” - you don’t need to be good to be welcomed. Yes, the goal is recovery, the goal is to become better - but everyone is at different stages of recovery, and sometimes, that point of recovery just is not attainable yet.

Shout out to persecutors. You don’t get enough love.

#did #dissociative identity disorder #osdd #other specified dissociative disorder #osddid #shout outs #positivity #did positivity #complex dissociative disorder #CDD #system positivity #kitty caught the rabbit #persecutor positivity #persecutor

[momett]

"yeah YOUR persecutors might be redeemable but MINE aren't-"

shut the entire fuck up. there is no such thing as a "redeemable" or "irredeemable" alter. and if you think so then you are part of the reason why people see persecutors as inherently evil. as if we aren't traumatized indaviduals who were programmed to act like our abusers. as if we deserve to be locked away because we don't perform victimization good enough for you.

#p #actually dissociative #persecutor #syscourse

[theoraclesystem]

The only exception to not writing alters as murderous and homicidal to me was the manga series, Deadman Wonderland. This series is a massive comfort and special interest to us that we have multiple introjects from the series.

The only reason I consider this an exception is because of how well it was written and the fact that Shiro was conditioned into murdering animals and people at an extremely young age and throughout her life was conditioned into believing she was in the right for doing it to anyone and anything. She even wanted to stop, but her abuser convinced her that the world deserved it and she was in the right for it.

The creator also obviously did research on Dissociative Identity Disorder before writing it, as they understand that it happens at a very young age due to trauma, understood amnesia and how protectors/persecutors can work, and even understood integration and final fusion and had Shiro and Wretched Egg integrate and final fuse near the end of the series. Their final fusion also created someone who was not like Shiro OR Wretched Egg, meaning the two fusing created another identity that was the two of them fused, as is usually the case in fusing. Wretched Egg was even an introject of Ace Man, a super hero that Shiro and Ganta were obsessed with on TV.

Anyway, check that series out if you want a good story for a character with DID.

#actually traumatized #actually did #dissociative identity disorder #actually traumagenic #traumagenic system #actually ptsd #actually dissociative #dissociative system #deadman wonderland #i can go on about dmwl all day #personal #persecutor #did alter #dmwl #dmwl shiro #deadman wonderland shiro

[thecorvidforest]

listen as a persecutor in recovery i cannot stress enough how weird and gross and fucked up it is that some of y’all in the plural community treat persecutors so badly just on merit of them being persecutors.

i read something recently where the OP encouraged systems to permanently lock up their persecutors so everyone else can heal and they can’t. i’ve seen posts where hosts and protectors brag about the awful things they do to persecutors. i’ve seen so many depictions even by other systems showing persecutors as irredeemable evil subhuman creatures. it’s fucking disgusting. you know what kind of behavior that is? abusive. it’s abusive behavior.

#corvidforest mutt’s posts #yes i know we’re not easy to live with #and some persecutors are truly awful #that doesn’t make it okay to take pleasure in inflicting as much pain on us as possible #some of you (ahem hosts) forget that we’re living people just like you #dissociative identity disorder #did system #osdd #other specified dissociative disorder #osdd 1a #osdd 1b #persecutor #did persecutor

[pluralcultureis]

Plural culture is having "persecutor parties" where after a rough day all the persecutors end up fronting at once and just dissociating so hard because 3 of them won't stop yelling at each other while the other two are trying to do chores

(spoiler warning; nothing gets done and we stare at a wall for like 3 hours)

#i am so tired #i hate persecutor parties #2 persecutors is fine #i cant handle more than 2 of us at once tho #endos dni #osdd #pdid #did #did system #osddid #pdid system #actually did #traumagenic #actually dissociative #plural culture is #persecutor #osdd persecutor #pdid persecutor

[multiplicity-positivity]

Helping Persecutors and Violent Headmates (While Protecting Your System)!

Hello! This post will mostly contain information that we’ve repeated in past responses to asks. We wanted to have a post separate from ask responses with tips, resources, and advice on helping violent headmates while protecting yourself and your system. So here we are! In a question-answer format because that seems to work well for us.

This post got ridiculously long! In order to spare those who aren’t interested in this post, we are putting it under a cut.

Disclaimer: we are just one system, speaking from our own past experiences and what we’ve learned through our own research and therapy. This post shouldn’t be the end-all-be-all for learning how to deal with difficult headmates. Every system is different, so what’s worked for us may not work for you. If you or your system is in danger, please contact a therapist, mental health professional, or your local crisis response unit.

Trigger Warning: This post mentions trauma, abuse, suicide, homicide, involuntary isolation or “jailing” headmates, and other potentially triggering topics!

What is a persecutor?

A persecutor is a system member who regularly causes intentional harm to themself, their system’s body, or their headmates. A headmate who causes harm occasionally isn’t necessarily a system persecutor. You can learn more about persecutors through Pluralpedia (<- link).

Why is my headmate angry, mean, spiteful, or violent all the time?

There could be many reasons why a headmate is regularly hateful or violent. Some common reasons might be:

- They are traumatized and are either acting out past traumas, processing their trauma in unhealthy ways by taking out their negative emotions on others, or formed to fill the role of a past abuser.

- They have unmet needs which cause them to often feel angry, upset, and unfulfilled. They may have trouble understanding their needs or effectively communicating their needs to the rest of their system.

- They never learned how to properly regulate their emotions, process painful memories, and respond to their emotions in healthy ways. Emotional regulation is a skill that must be practiced - people don’t just automatically know how to regulate their emotions when first encountering them.

And more. Every headmate is different, so there may be some unique reason why your system has a headmate who regularly incites violence, causes drama and internal strife, and otherwise lashes out at the rest of their system.

How can I help my angry, mean, or hateful headmates?

There’s lots of things you can do to help your headmate! Try to choose things that sound helpful for your specific situation. Some options for things you can do to help your headmate are:

Talk to them!

Try asking your headmate if there’s anything they want to talk about. Let them know what kind of effect their actions have had on the rest of your system. There’s a lot of questions you might ask that might help you and your headmate find common ground. Here are some examples (text copied from previous response):

- What does treating the rest of us unkindly achieve for you?

- Sometimes people act harsh or mean because they’re afraid. Is there something that’s scaring you?

- What are your needs? Do you feel like they’re not being met?

- Why don’t you want to work together so the whole system can feel safe? Is there something hindering you in our system? Can we work together to figure something out that works for everyone?

- Sometimes it’s necessary to do things you don’t want to do if it will help the system and benefit us all. Is there anything you would be willing to try and do differently?

When having these conversations with your headmate, please try to be gentle and to approach them from a place of kindness. Acting accusatory or growing heated may cause them to get defensive, so it’s important to try and handle these conversations in a calm state of mind, if possible. Your headmate might be unwilling to have a conversation with you initially, but with time and diligence, maybe they’ll come around!

Provide an outlet!

If a headmate is dealing with lots of painful emotions and doesn’t have a proper way to vent or express themself, they may end up taking their emotions out on other members of their system. So having a notebook, journal, sketchbook, blog, or digital space that’s just for them could be immensely healing and beneficial! This outlet should belong solely to this headmate and no one else - it’s important for the rest of your system to respect your headmate’s right to privacy. If they feel like they have an outlet for their emotions that’s truly their own, it might help them feel less inclined to lash out at other system members.

You can also help them release energy in nonviolent ways by getting a stress ball or punching bag, finding some sort of physical activity that they might enjoy, or helping them create a playlist of energetic or cathartic music to listen to. Get creative and collaborate with your system to figure out what outlets will work best for your headmate!

Encourage them to come to therapy!

If your system is in therapy, it would be a great idea to gently encourage this headmate to attend a session in the future. You can talk to them about what therapy is like beforehand, and ask your therapist for advice on how best to connect with this headmate. Maybe you could ask your headmate to write a letter to your therapist, or to write down a list of questions for your therapist, if that might be easier for them than actually showing up to a session! Your headmate might be unwilling to participate or try and connect with your therapist, but it’s worth a shot to at least offer them the opportunity to do so, and to remind them that they can change their mind and come to therapy at any time.

Help them feel loved and included!

It would probably be a great idea to go out of your way to make sure your headmate can see that their system loves them and wants to take care of them, regardless of their behavior! It may be hard for your whole system to get on the same page here, but even if just one or two headmates can commit to showing your violent headmate they care, it’s possible to make a difference! You can try and accomplish this by:

- Trying to include this headmate in internal discussions and conversations/asking their opinion before doing things that will affect the body or the whole system

- Paying attention to what this headmate likes and getting them small gifts occasionally

- Letting this headmate know when you see something positive that made you think of them

- Compliment them! Tell them you love them! Remind them that they are a cherished member of your system just the way they are!

Teach your whole system grounding techniques and emotional regulation!

Even if this headmate has no interest in learning new things or having positive interactions with the rest of your system, if the rest of y’all commit to learning grounding techniques and picking up emotional regulation skills, some of that information may rub off on this headmate. If your system is in therapy, it would be a great idea to ask your therapist about developing coping techniques for grounding and emotional regulation. We can also recommend the DBT Skills Workbook (<- Amazon link), which has been very helpful for our own system!

How can I protect myself and my system when my headmate is acting dangerous?

Acting nice and showing compassion won’t always be enough to protect yourself and your system. While your headmate may have good intentions, be reacting due to trauma or overwhelming emotions, or may not understand the full extent of how their actions affect others, that doesn’t mean you have to let them treat you and your system poorly! When your headmate is lashing out at you or someone else in your system, here are some things you can do to protect yourself.

- Communicate with your headmate and let them know how their actions are affecting your system. They may genuinely be unaware of the impact their actions are having on your system. They may have trouble recognizing others’ feelings or empathizing. So having some conversations with them about their actions may be useful!

- Set boundaries and enforce them. The goal is never to control headmates, cut off their agency, or make them feel powerless, no matter how much harm they cause! Doing this can usually cause resentment to build, and can make things more challenging for your system in the long run. We’ll include some articles here, here, and here on setting boundaries and how to enforce them in healthy ways. We’d encourage you to take a look if your system is struggling with setting and enforcing boundaries! The articles linked are for setting boundaries with other people (children, friends, etc.) but much of the advice listed can be beneficial for systems, too!

- Limit access to potentially harmful items. Harm reduction is always the goal here! So if you need to limit your system’s access to potentially harmful or dangerous items (ie, sharp objects, prescription medications, firearms, etc.), we’d encourage you to do that. This way, even if your headmate has the intention to cause physical harm, their efforts may be thwarted due to having limited access to dangerous items. Your system may need to learn how to work around not using these items, or ensure that only one headmate has the ability to access these items when needed.

- Set up a safety plan. Have a conversation with your system to try and figure out warning signs, potential negative triggers, and how to center and ensure your system’s safety in various situations. At what point should you ask someone outside for help? At what point should you have an intervention inside where multiple members voice their concerns with your headmate? At what point should you reach out to a crisis center or go to the emergency room? Every system is different, so talk to your headmates and work together to establish a safety plan that works best for y’all - and don’t be afraid to put your plan into action when the time comes!

In all this, please let your violent headmate know that you need to center your whole system’s safety and well-being. While they may not like some of the decisions your system makes, it’s so important to make sure that your physical safety is not compromised!

When should my system lock up or “jail” my headmate?

Personally, we feel like locking up or “jailing” a headmate functions as an attempt to control a headmate, forcibly taking away their agency and ultimately causing pain and resentment to build up inside. We will NEVER advocate for isolating a particular headmate, and believe that there are always other, better options to utilize instead of potentially traumatizing your headmate by cutting them off from the world and their system.

However, every system is different. If your system has exhausted all other options, use your own discretion when it comes to purposefully isolating violent headmates. Understand though that we will never promote this method, and we truly do feel like it may end up causing more harm than good to the affected headmate and the rest of your system.

What should I do if my headmate threatens serious harm, to take our life, or take the life of someone we know?

Seek outside help. This absolutely is the time to put your safety plan into action and also reach out to someone outside your system for help. This can be a therapist, a trusted friend or loved one, or even a suicide prevention lifeline. We do not recommend dialing 911 or contacting the police, as police are generally known to escalate overwhelming situations and put vulnerable people directly in harm’s way.

It should not be just on you to protect your system or loved ones from a headmate that actively intends to cause long lasting harm to your body or to someone else. Please, if your headmate is making violent, suicidal, or homicidal threats, don’t delay and don’t try to handle this on your own. Get help soon!

We are always available to help find a local crisis stabilization hotline, regardless of your country. So if you’re having trouble figuring out who to call, reach out via DMs and we can help!

Wrapping Up

We know this post got very long, but it’s still not an exhaustive guide on everything you can do to help yourself and your headmates when dealing with angry, hateful, or violent system members. Remember, not everything we’ve said here will be useful for every system! So take what works best for you and create your own plan for helping and connecting with your troubled headmates.

We hope something here will be useful to some of y’all! We’re sorry about the lengthy nature of this post, but if you’ve made it this far, thank you so much for reading! We’re wishing y’all the very best, and hope that soon you can make some progress towards positive change with the persecutors and angry, hateful, or violent headmates in your system. Please try to take care of each other to the best of your abilities, and have a wonderful day!

#persecutor #system persecutor #violence #trauma #suicide #homicide #abuse #long post #system communication

[reimeichan]

I was having a conversation with @artisticdysfunction and a few others the other day in one of the servers I'm in, and the topic of persecutors came up. And how most people see persecutors as stereotypically aggressive, edgy, rude types.

Persecutory alters can come in all shapes and sizes and behave in any way. They can be incredibly peppy and polite in a toxic positivity sort of way. They can be shy and introverted to the point they refuse to open up to anyone. They can be be friendly but reserved while in the background they mess with thoughts and memories in a way that hurts the system.

I'd argue that any alter can be a persecutor, or at least engage in persecutory actions, in different circumstances.

What's important is trying to see where these hurtful actions stem from and then trying to address the issues together, as a team. Helping each other out, listening to each other, giving each other space to express yourselves in healthy manners.

#dissociative identity disorder #did #actually did #actuallydid #did osdd #osddid #cdd #persecutor #persecutor alter #did system #by green #as a persecutor with more stereotypical traits #I'm well aware of what the non-stereotypical persecutor looks like #and they can actually be even harder to work with if you don't know what you're looking for or working with

[sysboxes]

[Text: This system loves their persecutors]

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[artisticdysfunction]

more people need to realize that hosts can be persecutors, like any other alter. they can engage in persecutory behavior towards other alters in their system and that needs to be acknowledged.

we understand why hosts can do that, denial is really hard to go through. but actions such as trying to pretend that the rest of the system doesn't exist, and denying their existence, is harmful to the other alters in the system. and that needs to be acknowledged.

#syscourse maybe #traumagenic #traumagenic system #dissociative identity disorder #otherwise specified dissociative disorder #partial did #did osdd #p-did #did system #host #persecutor #wrote by glitter.