#pesterquest spoilers

[souji-upseta]

dave at dirk's funeral in candy:

candy!dave speaking to younger dirk in dirk's pesterquest route:

most important interaction in all of homestuck post-canon and the only *anything* from homestuck that made me physically cry actual goddamn tears.

#pesterquest #homestuck post canon #homestuck epilogues #dirk strider #dave strider #pesterquest spoilers #homestuck #homestuck spoilers #suicide cw 38488r84

[somnambulant-snowball]

[ID: Aradia and Fozzer pose together in a spooky field. Aradia says, "Spooky season is upon us and it is important to know the differences between different kinds of resting places!!!" Aradia is now among very large bones. she says, "CEMETERIES are unconsecretated and not affiliated with a specific church!" Fozzer says from the clown church building, "GRAVEYARDS are consecrated grounds located within a church yard!" Aradia goes to a foggy burial ground and says, "BURYING GROUNDS are graveyards in new england!" Fozzer is now in a hole in the ground with a skeleton poking out, which is not what a catacomb is. Fozzer says, "CATACOMBS are underground burial places!" Aradia is even more off location. she is in Jane's house, with John's taxidermied body. Aradia says, startled, "MAUSOLEUMS are above ground buildings that house human remains in caskets or urns!" this does not typically include taxidermy. Fozzer is back in his favorite field, saying, "all kinds of burial grounds are valid! all kinds of burial grounds can be spooky! all kinds of burial grounds can be wandered about in dense fog while wearing all-black Gothic Revival attire and quoting Romantic poetry!" Aradia, in her ghost form and in front of a spooky mansion, says, "do not limit yourself to cemeteries! haunt all kinds of burial grounds!" / end ID.

text source: zeldahime on tumblr]

I can confirm that they're spitting facts, but can any of y'all confirm the new england thing specifically? that's the one thing I'm not sure of (google wasn't helping).

by the way, if anybody wants to learn more about burial and funerary stuff, Ask a Mortician on youtube is a great source!

#homestuck #hiveswap #friendsim #hiveswap friendsim #pesterquest #Aradia Megido #Fozzer Velyes #incorrect quotes #textpost #cw death mention #cw dead body mention #homestuck spoilers #pesterquest spoilers #hiveswap spoilers #described

[looney-mooney-studio]

I’ve been watching a lotta friendsim/pesterquest while I do art lately, so here’s a god tiered MSPA Reader! They’re a Muse of Blood, for... well. Obvious reasons, I suppose. Multiple characters DO call Reader their Muse in reaction to seeing their blood.

I could go in detail about why it makes sense to me, but that explanation turned into like, 4 paragraphs of text, so I’m not gonna subject you to that lol

#homestuck #mspa reader #friendsim #pesterquest #classpect #muse of blood #first guardian mspa reader #pesterquest spoilers #looney mooney rants #looney mooney art #mooneyart #fanart

[everydaygremlin]

with all due respect, what the fuck jane.

#pesterquest spoilers

[raviolarts]

oh SHIT? NOODLE IS POSTING MORE ART? FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A WHILE??? Get pesterquested, idiot (hits you)

#homestuck #hs #homestuck art #digital art #pesterquest #pesterquest spoilers #homestuck pesterquest #Y/N #GRAHHHH SELF INDULGENT ART

[sayakxmi]

[some complaining + kinda spoilers for Feferi’s route in Pesterquest]

Welp, I finally sat down to finish some Pesterquest routes after like 612 years, so I’m late to the party as usual, but anyway, Feferi’s route.

Not gonna lie, I was kinda... disappointed, especially with how well it started, like at first my only complaint was that she was a bit overusing her glubs/bulbs - she uses them a lot, but not that much, but oh well, whatever, quirks are confusing. 

But I really liked how it touched on her loneliness, the whole “being the only fuchsia other than the Empress herself”, her being so excited when she hears that MSPA Reader tried to find her, and then going so sad when the Reader tells her that not really. Just, ouch. And how she shared her ambitions with us - a bit quickly, but it was, indeed, quite Feferi-like, girl, you don’t share your revolutionary ideas with anyone who zaps in front of you, i love her - but then things went just... weird. Like, plainly weird. Like the writer either had no idea what to do with her or just wasn’t taking any of this seriously. Or, I don’t know. I genuinely don’t know. It was just so bizarre with “Karako” and Dark Carnival, and, Jesus, that was just really, really weird. 

Dunno, we could’ve talked about her unhealthy moirallegiance with Eridan, or make her realize her own hypocrisy after finding out her plans to redefine culling, since they’re actually pretty bad. But, nah.

It’s like some of these routes are being taken seriously, and some of them aren’t, which is a shame, cuz characters like Feferi weren’t given all that much focus in the webcomic, so it was probably her only shot at letting readers who weren’t all that interested in her get to understand her a bit better.

#feferi peixes #homestuck #pesterquest #pesterquest spoilers #idk if i should tag it it's been some time but also idk just in case #my musing #anyway #adding feferi's route next to jake's and gamzee's when it comes to being rather disappointing #or karkat's good ending which was also a huge disappointment #but oh well #setting my expectations too high i guess #it's homestuck i'm talking about after all #: ( #still a shame #my girl deserved better #also btw we really don't talk about the fact that based on feferi's ideas beforus was probably lowkey a petstuck au

[classpectpokerap]

gonna go completely insane for a second here.

was thinking about mspar. who will obviously not. appear in hsbc. bc it makes almost no thematic sense for that to happen

but like… i made a connection. that i want to talk about.

mspar in pq is defined by two things, early on

really, really, really fucking hating the direction the epilogues took the "story", and wanting to take it into their own hands to fix it.

like, the imagery about this being a Bad Thing is pretty unsubtle. in the prologue, mspar literally tramples over homestuck panels, crushing them underfoot. and by the end of pq, what they have done isnt just create a new timeline where "everyone is happy," they've overwritten homestuck to do it. theyve Literally retconned the story and replaced it with their fanon ideas of how to "fix" things. that's why ultdirk and the director have to come and tell you that it needs to stop.

there's a lot more about mspar's actions in pq being like… pretty unambiguously villain shit, in my reading, but thats a sort of separate ramble to what i wanted to be insane about (let me know if you want me to ramble about. mspar being the bad guy. another time.)

basically. mspar's design looks a hell of a lot like doc scratch. obviously. theyre both round-headed narrators.

doc scratch's textbox is literally just mspar's inverted. theyre foils, in a sense. scratch enables canon while hurting everyone to do it, and mspar enables fanon (…while hurting everyone to do it, differentways.)

and that got me thinking like. a lot of this description i just wrote applies to another character too.

someone in the text who was introduced as a reader of the stories of the heroes, as an author of fanfiction and fanart

though, obviously meat and candy calliope are accounted for. it's not literally that mspar is calliope. besides, its not even like calliope wears a similar hooded black outfit to them, or makes a huge fucking deal about loathing the complexity of postcanon,

hey wait a minute

and theyve got a lot in common. even beyond the superficial. for example, they both just. appoint themself as the guardian of their timeline, because they have to "fix" homestuck. (whether the characters in homestuck want this or not.)

jade harley literally tells *both characters* "well, what if we don't want your protection!!!! why won't you leave us alone!" and then they just sorta ignore her wishes

and the connection keeps going. like. mspar and altcallie have both stood outside of the green sun with aradia and absorbed a canon into themself so they can rewrite it.

this extremely specific thing they have in common!!!! kinda fucked up!!!!!!

like, im not saying this because i literally think mspar is going to crack their head open and reveal altcallie a la Lord English in that intermission.

but THEMATICALLY.

they have a lot in common.

way more than i realized until literally two days ago!

like mspar is LITERALLY another narrator at least on the scale of ultdirk and doc scratch and the like and LITERALLY ALL OF THEM ARE VILLAINS shdashjfhasfhsajdhgashfkgshjdgsdfgsdhjg. there is stuff to think about.

(conspiracy brain.) and of all the outfits mspar wore in friendsim, it's specifically the black hoodie up that they got sprites for….

anyway.

obviously pesterquest and hsbc werent referencing each other because the second one did not exist yet.

but like! i think theres something there. in terms of da Themes and Motifs.

(if there are more close readings of pq, id be SUPER curious to find em :3)

#homestuck #hs meta #homestuck beyond canon #hsbc #hsbc spoilers #alt calliope #ult dirk #mspar #mspa reader #pesterquest #friendsim #calliope hs

[dragontestosterone]

anodyne — Today at 11:33 AM "crossovers that make sense? psh."

Happy "we're getting Ghost Trick on switch" year and my deepest condolences to the Ghost Trick fandom for drawing this. It isn't supposed to make sense. Weep with me. Weep with me

#ghost trick #homestuck #dirk strider #lil hal #sissel #ghost trick spoilers #yomiel #this was riffing off the one dirk pesterquest sprite because I saw it and wanted to do something with that dumb little finger gesture

[amporalicious]

playing through the alpha kids pesterquest episodes - ive been holding off on them until after i finished homestuck

and lemme tell ya- playing through jakes pesterquest as a hardcore jake kinnie is YIKES

#homestuck #homestuck fandom #homestuck spoilers #pesterquest #pesterchum #jake homestuck #homestuck jake #jake english #hs jake #homestuck alpha kids

[pagesofkenna]

Isn't that... Literally what Post-canon does? It shows that they're not free from the Story- Narratively still bound to continuing a continuity, and still bearing the weight, the baggage, of all the bullshit they've gone through. Like, Post-canon has problems, but your description of a way to continue the story that makes sense... Is exactly how the story continued. No 'happy ending', but having to deal with their own problems and their messed up reality just as much as before, if not more.

ok 1) I haven't read postcanon so i have no idea what it does. the only bits of postcanon i touched were the snapchats when they got shared around tumblr, the fact that I played Pesterquest, and the first couple pages of Meat and Candy I read before they split and i was like 'actually f this'

(side note but the Meat and Candy story being like 'oh you want more of these characters?? do you want the RAW MEAT of a story that really DEALS with these problems, or do you want SUGAR SWEET fluffy nothingness that just makes you feel happy for a little time???' and half of us going 'uh neither we wanted the story to be over' and x'ing out is so meta appropriate and hilarious to me)

2) if postcanon does talk about them still being trapped in the story thats pretty freaking cool, but i didn't mean like... 'trapped' as in still effected by the things that happened in the story, i meant 'trapped' by the Narrative as an Entity

like, if a story ends with characters who have trauma to unpack and emotional baggage to deal with, thats good! most fantasy dramas do that. and we don't need to double the length of the story to address all these issues and go on new adventures until everyones Complete as people. a little bit of an epilogue that shows that the things character went through DID heavily effect them and that they're taking the time to heal is nice, but an entire multi-year story unpacking traumas and and dealing with baggage is frankly a bit much. when sequels do that it invalidates the catharsis of the original ending, and if your original ending has no catharsis it's not really an ending so much as another break between acts

the way Homestuck ended, with the kids walking through the door and Vriska consuming Lord English with the Juju, the way that got interpreted by me and most fans I know is that the kids were able to escape the story while Lord English got trapped within the story - thus, Lord English is 'already here' because there's nowhere else to go, whereas the kids are free and no longer here. it called back to the ending of Problem Sleuth, which was playing off the 'Escape the Room' video game genre, where the characters 'won' by finally leaving the building - the Homestuck characters 'won' by finally leaving the building too, and the building was Homestuck

(I also referenced the Truman Show in that original post - if you haven't seen that movie you really should, and also I'm spoiling it here, but it's about a man who's entire life has been fictionalized without his consent, and he works to try to escape the story he's trapped in. it ends with him finally confronting the person responsible for his story, and saying 'no, actually, i'd like to leave now' and he walks through the door and the movie is over. yeah he's got a ton of stuff to do next - therapy and hopefully a huge legal battle - but it's meta. he doesn't want to be in a story anymore, he makes the choice to leave it, and the story lets him leave. its over and done, and its SO cathartic. you don't need to explore all the nitty gritty to have a satisfying ending.)

in this interpretation the Homestuck Story is an entity to be escaped. and the existence of postcanon is a tongue-in-cheek way of expressing 'no, they didn't escape the Story. they won nothing at the end except for the creation of a new world'

and honestly? I don't think that's a terrible kind of story on its own to tell, I just don't see how its justified. to me it looks like Hussie (or whoever's doing most of the writing now) is just continuing on with the characters, exploring how they've changed and all that, with complete disregard for the fact that they escaped Homestuck and should no longer be trapped by a canon Story-As-Entity (the fact that it's even referred to as 'postcanon' reinforces this idea to me)

the only justification that makes sense is if we learn that the Juju didn't let them escape Homestuck. They're still trapped in the Story-As-Entity, without their consent and despite all their best efforts. In which case, what did the ending of Homestuck even do? did it trap Lord English in Homestuck 1 and release the kids into the new world of Homestuck 2, where they're still trapped? does the postcanon explore them trying to escape this or are they resigned to be stuck in a Story-As-Entity forever?

like I said, this could be an interesting kind of a story to tell, and if it's well justified somehow, and interesting enough to me personally, it might even be a story i'd read. but just from the outside, it looks like more of a 'we wrote a sequel because the original made us so much money/clout and we wanna keep milking it'. and without any further justification that just sees antithetical to the original Homestuck ending, which is why i've been almost completely ignoring the postcanon stuff

#i cordially invite anyone to spoil postcanon for me though in an effort to change my mind #i dont give a damn about spoilers i have no intention of reading homestuck2 unless i learn something worthwhile is happening #and the only way to learn that is if you spoil it for me so please do #if you tell me the whole thing and i dont like it then its ok! paradox space means my headcanon is still canon somewhere! #but like i love homestuck so much and i kind of DO wish i could invest in a postcanon #i love that with hiveswap they didnt try to bring in the postcanon (at first) and are telling more of a 'flashback' kind of story #but by linking hiveswap to friendsim and friendsim to pesterquest and pesterquest to homestuck2 #it feels like it WILL all be linked in now and i'm... unsure of how i feel about that #homestuck

[souji-upseta]

can't stop thinking abt pesterquest bro strider. after MSPAR locks the timeline—what happens to bro??? like, free from lil cal's influence for the first time in all his 35~ish years of life? man.....

#homestuck #bro strider #pesterquest #pesterquest spoilers #i hope he's either better to dave or fucks off out of dave's life mostly but #beyond that it's fascinating to think abt

[somnambulant-snowball]

I walked through my house at 1:12 am to photograph some potatoes because I wanted a background for Charun and I couldn't find an official one that fit the text. it was all for you.

I've gotten better at editing on my phone! it took a lot of headaches to get here. but now you get to see Zebruh in his true from: a pop-up ad.

isolated potato photo here:

[text sources: milfiero, sapphicseance, vamprisms, and gay-bitchdisease on tumblr]

#hiveswap #hiveswap friendsim #friendsim #homestuck #pesterquest #mspa reader #Mallek Adalov #Aradia Megido #Charun Krojib #Zebruh Codakk #Marvus Xoloto #incorrect quotes #textpost #homestuck spoilers #pesterquest spoilers

[luteofthunder]

***minor spoilers for Stelsa and Feferi’s routes in Friendsim and Pesterquest respectively, briefly mentions a location in Act 2 of Hiveswap***

This is mostly just lore/alternian biosphere musings, feel free to skip while I shout into the Veil.

So this thought popped into my mind while thinking about Alternia’s rain. If the rain is literal acid that can melt a humanoid like us or MSPA, why isn’t the ocean just one big acid pool? MSPA gets melted by Alternia’s acid rain in one of Stelsa’s bad endings in Friendsim, but during Feferi’s route in Pesterquest, they’re fine being submerged in the ocean. Looks can be deceiving, but Charun’s river next to their cave looks fairly safe, save for any dangerous fauna.

Is the ocean just safer to swim in? Is it not saltwater like ours? I first thought that the saltwater was a base to neutralize the rain, but then I remembered that neutralizing acids with bases makes salt. So maybe it’s an acidic sea but not nearly as bad as the rain? Is is a base sea and the rain makes it salty? You’d figure MSPA trying to open their eyes in the sea to see Feferi would hurt like a bitch regardless, if it’s not the acid or high base of the sea burning, it would definitely be the salt.

#hiveswap #friendsim #hiveswap friendsim #pesterquest #mspa reader #feferi peixes #stelsa sezyat #charun krojib #spoiler warning #hiveswap spoiler warning #Friendsim spoiler warning #Pesterquest spoiler warning #shut up lute

[2stregafangirl]

If in a hypothetical Higurashi Sotsu sequel Satoko references the past two seasons by saying something like this I’ll be laughing my ass off.

#higurashi #higurashi gou spoilers #higurashi sotsu spoilers #Satoko Hojo #pesterquest #Homestuck #Higustuck #meme #shitpost

[emmiri-bumble]

I finished Pesterquest!

no concise game spoilers here. What is done around the end is a narrative NOPE of mine so it entirely ruined the serious emotional impact that i was working for. all that buildup flattened out. but i felt like it got me closer to the kiddos that ive long wished i could enjoy!

I had a lot of fun and i got ....really existential in dirks route knowing that below him was just... the ruins of my home. ahhh and roxy, oh all of my heart went out for them.

#pesterquest spoilers / #just in case

[meraki-sunset]

There's still one thing I don't understand about the concept of an absolved timeline: as alt!Calliope explained, this is a timeline whose relevance is fed from the canon, or in other words, us readers who came from the original homestuck in search of a new story. But in a completely technical standpoint the alpha timeline exist because there is no other timeline that end up creating LE, whose influence reaches far before time ever existed, and thus needs to be created to complete the biggest time loop ever existed in the history of paradox space. This timeline however, fail this exact condition on account of Gamzee regain his autonomy from LE, thus giving him no reason to remain in the battle against Caliborn, if he even raised the cherubs in the first place. So without this event, and subsequently possessed lil cal->doc scratch ->Lord English, how is this timeline not doomed 100 times and back?

What you're saying is true. According to canon, no timeline exept the alpha can exist. only homestuck canon can exist and every other timeline with even the slight variation will get doomed and everyone in it die without fail. Period. No point in arguing.

I say that's stupid and i don't like it.

SO i'm making use of what i call "the pesterquest dinamic"

Spoiler alert

In pesterquest MSPAReader, after meeting the homestuck cast and learning about their horrible fate to come, basically says "fuck you this is my timeline now" and dives into the Green sun and absorves it's powers, becoming a guardian, like Beckerel and Doc Scratch

With this power they sever the timeline they've intervined into from canon logic.

They create a "Locked timeline". a Timeline that doesn't have to create Lord English. It needs to, it should, the things that happen in the homestuck timeline are part of a big infinite loop that must create him and can't be tampered with or it will result in doom. But that's the thing with loops, they don't have a begining or end. any part of it that you sever can be the begining, the middle or the end

What i'm trying to say is, time in homestuck isn't linear, it doesn't follow the logic that changing something in the past should change the future. it doesn't it just marks the timeline as doomed when something is changed and that's the end. just a cross in the clipboard and fate moves to the next timeline leaving that one to rot

So grabing a timeline, severing a chunk of it (like the period where the kids and trolls haven't played the game), changing it for the better and letting it survive by external means is posible acording to Pesterquest.

Just imagine this. if a homestuck timeline is a book, and you rip a page, does the book change? did you changed the past? do the future events of the book change because tecnically the events of the page you ripped are no longer part of the book? No, the book follows it course. it just became a useless book. A broken book. It's now a doomed timeline. It can't no longer fullfill it's purpose. it'll be disposed of. That's how homestuck timelines it works.

That's why i always refer to CSAU as "infested with paradoxes" and "leaching from the canon timeline" because i know it shouldn't exist acording to canon. acording to canon it should be doomed.

But it's not. Because every little thing that CSAU lacks, every page that has been riped, that should doom it, CSAU steals it from canon homestuck

That's what i tryed to explain with "the river and the puddle" analogy. The puddle doesn't dry because it feeds from the river. CSAU doesn't get doomed because it leaches from homestuck.

How did The Felt get to the game in CSAU? The Felt are LE's minions and acording to canon before they got to the game they were at hussies mansion, where LE killed Hussie, and then Jack escaped with them and Ms. Paint inside of an oven and into the Alpha kid's game. That never happened in CSAU, that event of LE breaking into Hussies mansion with his minions and killing him never happened in this AU, yet the characters from it are here, with memories of it happening. they remember it happening tho it didn't. That's because they're copies, they're stolen from canon.

CSAU steals it's missing pieces from canon to stay alive, like a parasite, a harmless one in a comensalistic relationship. Canon doesn't even know we're here.

And the guardian who keeps the timeline safe, the force that gives it relevance for it to keep doing what it does and keep feeding from the river, who keeps the puddle's tiny stream of water that conects it to the river from being severed, It's us. It's you and It's me. CSAU is relevant to us for diferent reasons for every person, but that's why it exists. Because it's important to me and maybe to you and that's all tha matters. Canon it's it's sourse of missing pieces with which patches it's paradoxes and we are it's sourse of relevance. That's what makes an absolved timeline, that's all it takes.

A will to survive and people to care.

I hope there's more timelines like this one out there

#csau extra