#philemon

[katribou]

felt crazy going thru these old sketchdumps from 2022 so plz enjoy

#tatsuya my FRIEND tatsuya #persona 2 #art #tatsuya suou #katsuya suou #philemon #jun kurosu #nyarlathotep

[hiiragi-psychotherapy]

some p2 text posts

#my posts #persona #persona 2 #p2 #tatsuya suou #philemon #maya amano #lisa silverman #yukino mayuzumi #eikichi mishina #joker persona 2 #chika ueda #jun kurosu #shitpost #persona 2 spoilers #p2 spoiler #persona 2 innocent sin spoilers

[cardinailed0]

recently researched the whole persona series story and god I love that he's like. everywhere?? apparently? the butterflies :]

#persona 2 #persona 2 innocent sin #persona 2 eternal punishment #philemon #philemon persona #cardinart

[texeoghea]

official opinion on philemons two designs. number one is really cute. number 2 has something intensely slutty going on to me and its kindof driving me insane

#my art #doodles #persona 2 #philemon #p1 phi is like im your friend im here to help :) and p2 phi is like im putting you in the divorce child simulator :) #his midlife crisis is so funny to me

[kotenshi]

I am Thou, Thou art I.

#remaster.. remake... port..... i'll take ANYTHING!!!! #p2 brainrot era #persona 2 #p2 #persona 2 innocent sin #persona 2 eternal punishment #tatsuya suou #persona series #persona fanart #fanart #anime #art #procreate #philemon #he's such a tragic character it makes me so sad #madoroki

[paruparoplippy]

Here's a collection of collabs for persona champions on twitter! (click on the ALT to see who i have collabed with.)

#plippydraws #persona #persona 1 #persona 2 #persona 3 #persona 4 #persona 5 #hidehiko uesugi #philemon #lisa silverman #aigis #koromaru #akihiko sanada #naoto shirogane #kanji tatsumi #izanami #fox #haru okumura #sae niijima #takuto maruki #can't wait to do this again for persona champ 2024!

[thegreatsolaris]

OH PITY ME WHO NEEDS YOU FOR I AM THOU AND THOU ART I

#my art #digital art #eyestrain #persona #revelations persona #persona 1 #persona 2 #persona 2 innocent sin #persona 2 eternal punishment #nyarlathotep #philemon #megami ibunroku persona #philemon x nyarlathotep #nyarlemon

[brolyng]

Let the Butterflies Spread Until the Dawn

#persona #persona 1 #megami ibunroku persona #maki sonomura #persona fanart #philemon #velvet room #kazuma kaneko

[mrhotdog95]

sha boing boing (persona ponies :3)

#persona 2 innocent sin #persona 2 ep #persona 4 #HERE ARE THE PONYS IN ORDER !!!!!!! #jun kurosu #eikichi mishina #tatsuya suou #makoto yuki #or #minato arisato #yosuke hanamura #yu narukami #orrrr :3 #souji seta #philemon #nyarlathotep #oopie 5 billion tags #art #my art #mrhotdog doodles #ballzo

[didoofcarthage]

Philemon and Baucis by Rembrandt van Rijn

Dutch, 1658

oil on panel transferred to panel

National Gallery of Art, Washington, D.C.

#Philemon #Baucis #mythology #Metamorphoses #Ovid #Rembrandt #Rembrandt van Rijn #Dutch #Dutch Golden Age #art #painting #National Gallery of Art #NGA DC

[katribou]

protagonist

#got artblock so just been doodling a lot of faces #art #persona 1 #persona 2 #philemon #maki sonomura #tatsuya suou

[katsona-the-katsequel]

Oh, my god, guys. Can't a divine being retire in peace??? 🙄

#persona 5 #persona 4 #persona 3 #persona 2 #persona 1 #philemon #makoto yuki #minato arisato #kotone shiomi #hamuko arisato #minako arisato #yu narukami #souji seta #ren amamiya #akira kurusu #i'll be bere all night

[ifellinlovewithpersona]

another 0 context P2 meme only one person who follows me here knows inspiration source lmao

#ok ok i'll tell you the context lol #basically had a dream about 'buisness meeting' with this very individual today ;_; #so i'm gonna be next persona protag i guess #since i met him in classicsona way i'll only say beware of rumors #anyways enjoy the meme #persona 2 #philemon #philemon persona #persona meme #persona shitpost

[kationella]

#hadestown #hades #persephone #doctor who #the master #koschei #theta sigma #persona 1 #persona 2 #philemon #nyarlathotep #meme #funny

[theotherseapancakes]

Psssst. You mentioned no one cares about Philemon, but now I'm curious if you have any thoughts about his role in the games after he disappeared. And for sillies sake, does he have anything to do with the Dance games?

I have been waiting my entire life for this. Anon do you realize how verbose I'm going to get. DO YOU REALIZE? I hope you like read mores. Let me preface this with I am aware and have seen some popular theories, so I'm going to sidestep a lot of them and present one I've built since... well, I became a Persona fan as a teenager. MAJOR PERSONA SERIES SPOILERS LIKE THE ENTIRE THING OK? OK. yes even royal.

The P2 PSP additional scenario is so incredibly important and I think everyone missed the point of it. THE PERSONA 2 PSP ADDITIONAL TATSUYA SCENARIO!!!! It's beyond important, because it reveals to us Philemon can have more than one Avatar we know about, just like Nyarly. (Casual reminder he's like half the shopkeeps in P2. Time Count, anyone? Why was the Time Count so hot. Anyway.) Disclaimer: I'm just a casual fan who has played a LOT of Persona and SMT. I haven't gotten around to all of them, but I've played/finished both paths of 1, 2, 3 (and p3p) as well as 4 and 5. Didn't manage to get my hands on Golden but I've seen enough of it. (It's funny you ask about the dance games, they're the only ones I don't have right now! But my roommate does, and will be gone for a few months soon, perhaps I will take the time to start with p4DAN. I'm atrocious at rhythm games though so more than likely I'll find a video. Anyway.) WHAT is Philemon? If we can't define that, we can't talk about The Positivity Guy Ever.

So let's talk about Phil. He's a fascinating character. His Persona is just a form of Himself, But Cooler. And he seems to HAVE no set shape, not unlike Nyarlathotep. People have various theories about Shadows and their origins etc., but Phil is more like that vote of confidence in people. I think, personally, that after the end of Innocent Sin, Phil's been pretty weak. We see in Eternal Punishment he's fading pretty roughly, and has a hard time talking to the party. Presumably ending Nyarly might to some degree fix things when Deja-vu Boy goes home, but... the problem is, we don't know how fixed they truly ended up being, or the full depth of how much he could/did expend!

In fact, the first time we even see Phil without the dumb mask is when Tatsuya decks him. Pay close attention to that fact. To the mask motifs here. I want you to really soak in Phil's everything. He's a leader. A kind soul. He's the good of people. He wants to believe the best.

Anyway, most of these things overlook what I find really interesting as we've gotten more games worth of lore: he and Nyarly aren't the only eldritch entities walking around like that. Yes, Nyx is one too. Yes, it's probable she may even be their 'mom'. It's possible they all came from Nyx initially, but it's also possible (and should be considered) they too may have been outsiders at one point. We need to ask ourselves how far the human collective unsconsciousness can go. Is that sea infinite? Could it affect other worlds? Think about Aion in Devil Summoner Soul Hackers 2. Yes, I am asking you to think about Soul Hackers 2. Deal with it, I don't care. They're sister series. They share many things. SO! Did the shape of the human mind change a bunch of eldritch creatures and make them interact with us even more after Nyx smacked the moon a gazillion years ago? Is there multiple worlds? Weird bullshit? Just the two? Hmm. Well... I, personally, think so. I think he was touched by humanity just like Nyarlathotep, but in the other way. The reason I bring this up is two-fold. The first is Nodens. Now, we don't know much about the actual Nodens, unfortunately, just some speculation. Which is a shame. (If anyone has more info I'd love to have it, ngl. As a pagan this shit fascinates me.) But what we do get on him in Lovecraftian lore can provide us some intriguing possibilities about Phil's everything, which the games love to keep really rather vague. (And this is putting aside that his human Persona is based off the obviously bogus Jungian Spirit Guide, but we love an old guy in a mask anyway. He probably felt that was more 'friendly' for humans, hah.) I believe that Nodens, and Phil by extension, are just as responsible for nurturing and keeping the collective unconsciousness alive and positive. We see the butterfly symbol everywhere. We see it with Lavenza, too. "This is truly an unjust game." So was the bet Phil made with Nyarly, a game he rigged. Phil made the mistake of thinking the Crawling Chaos wouldn't cheat, a mistake he is never making again, I assume, if he can help it. Shit, you could view his boss fight in P2EP as him trying to train the EP crew to beat the snot out of Nyarly, even. But off topic. If Nyarly is basically the father of all Shadows, and they and Personas are the same coin, it makes me wonder a lot of things. The two have always been portrayed as simultaneously diametrically opposed, but also not? They have identical halls in P2. They have similar powers and talents... I think after Persona 3, Phil's remnants sank into the Collective Unconsciousness, to attempt to rehabilitate humanity from what it lost, from what he himself lost. I think Igor took over the room, because he took a backseat to recover. It would go a long, long way towards explaining why only SOME characters have the tier of the Wild Card, which is similar to the 'original' Persona power. (Having multiple.) He was took weak to remain in his Spirit Guide (Philemon) form, and had to abandon it to return to the depths as Nodens... So. Let me go back to Nodens and make some notes about design.

Nodens, as seen here, sort of resembles an iron maiden. It really brings to mind the idea of maybe Tatsuya or someone's humanoid form sleeping within it, doesn't it? Fitting for an aspect of Philemon! ... You probably can see where I'm going with this, but let me pull up some screens to finish the point:

That's right! It's Azathoth, Baby! I believe that unlike mythology, he's yet another aspect of Philemon. Eldritch positivity, in too much force, could be used for accidental bad, too. (Reasons Maruki is my favorite Law Hero, haha.) Let me explain. I think Philemon always existed in... let's call it parts. Azathoth is said to be a dreaming god in whom's universe we all just happen to be alive inside, right? "Dream of butterfly" (Philemon) "Or is life a dream? Don't wanna wake up. Cuz I'm happy here." That sure is thematic to what Maki goes through in Persona 1, and what Maruki's beloved suffers, isn't it? ISN'T IT. The "true reality" he creates... would help Maruki create in the additional Semester--would be something most humans would never pass the muster to even try to control. But we have seen Phil test a few people and find them worth passing before! However, that seems like ages ago. Why has he been so quiet? I think because he was spending time conserving his energy. He believed in humanity enough to give Makoto a push when it was needed in p3 (or femc, if you play her), but otherwise trusted Igor while he restored what needed it. But in Persona 5 Royal, he hand-picked Maruki, didn't he? At first, when I played Persona 5 Royal, I really thought it was some part of Nyarly, but I no longer believe this to be the case. The coloration and symbolism in the background (the golds, the whole garden of eden themes, the way his Palace was laid out), the whole sea of soul motifs in P3Re later... mmm. I have a lot of thoughts about this, but this post is already way too long for one simple ask. So let's wrap up by going one step further and looking finally at Nodens' dialogue to the party in the Extra Scenario in Persona 2: Eternal Punishment (PSP). The following is a transcript, you can find a video here:

Nodens: This is the memory of the lost child whom you all seek. Nodens: Memory occasionally brings about much distress and suffering, but it is absolutely vital to distinguish oneself from others and manufacture one's own psyche. Nodens: Ever since it began, life's memory has accumulated unbroken, passing through individual experiences and spanning several generations. Nodens: And so it has given shape to Kadath and the Collective Unconsciousness, thereby becoming a foundation for the next generation. Nodens: Even if the roots of the world are directed by fear and anxiety, never forget that the true essence of life is brimming with joy. Nodens: You must not stop seeking the answer for why life was born in a cosmos progressing towards absurdity and chaos. Nodens: Life brims with joy, bringing about balance in a universe predestined to heat death, and that allows the world to live a long time.

So to answer your question, I think he's taken a much subtler role. I think he's influencing people by pretending to be a Persona for Maruki, because he believes it will help them grow. I don't think he was intending a forever-control vice grip, but rather to prove a point. No matter what, the primordial chaos of humanity will rise up for chaotic good, lawful good, whatever "good" is needed. Azathoth is... interesting. Adam Kadmon is also interesting. But mostly I HIGHLY suspect we may see him again in Persona 6, or at least I'm hoping so. It's my personal pet theory by then he'll be less faded and come back to us in a new form of some kind. He's never had a set one, after all. Now for funsies about the dancing game, well, he's a positive guy, he wanted to just make sure everyone had their fitness regimen checked off. Obviously. (This is a joke.) Did the devs intend this? I'm honestly not sure? Like there's a lot of nods to older Personas in 5 and now 3RE especially, but it's definitely worth chewing on. I could go on and on about things I think he's connected to, but ultimately they have the final say lol. I'm just a crackpot conspiracy theorist on tumblr who really likes Philemon. He and the Room are my favorites. :) Ask me about attendants for additional dumb, sometime, I guess lol.

#persona #persona 1 #persona 2 #persona 3 #persona 4 #persona 5 #persona spoilers #p5r #philemon #persona 2 innocent sin #persona 2 eternal punishment #nodens #text #long post; #SORRY NOT SORRY THIS IS ONE OF MY ETERNAL BRAINROT QUESTIONS HERE #I live and breathe overthinking SMTPersona

[moesudous]

#persona 2 #nyarlathotep #philemon #tatsuya suou #traditional art