#pls duffer brothers all i want is a queer ship

[broomiies]

another thing abt the prev post that shouldn't be in the tags:

"this [the entire thing about being queerbaited by Stranger Things s4 v2] isn't a bad take because the cast members hinted at byler & the duffer brothers said we would get a confirmation about will's sexuality"

cast members can hint at byler all they want. doesn't mean it's gonna become canon though. cast members can't control what happens in the show they ACT IN. their job isn't to change everything in the script – that's the writer's job. their entire job is to write the show. actors can ship their characters all they want, but at the end of the day, that doesn't mean it's gonna become canon! they can improvise & add little things to a scene, but trying to rewrite a whole episode to add something isn't their job

and abt the confirmation of will's sexuality ... we got that? it was in the show? during the car scene AND the kitchen scene with jonathan? pls take into account that will is a softspoken, 15 year old boy in the 80s. he's not just gonna come out and blatantly say "i'm gay and i like mike!" to anybody, really. not only is it The Eighties, but that's just not in character for him – even if ST took place in more modern times, he still would not just say that?? the car scene is there for a reason!! it's not just for him to talk to mike about his relationship with el!! it's for us to VERY CLEARLY SEE that will likes his best friend!! quite literally why else would he be silently crying but playing it off like hes just looking out the window? because he likes el? THAT'S HIS SISTER??

"and sometimes, when you're different from other people, you feel like a mistake." HELLOOOOOOOO???? there could not be a more relatable quote for queer people that take notice in how "different" they are compared to the cishet "norm" in society.

then the kitchen scene in e9?? literally that entire scene was about jonathan letting will know that he will always love him, and nothing could ever change that. gay or not, he's still his little brother & he still loves him dearly.

"and i think, right now, we need to talk more than ever. things are getting a lot more complicated [being gay, liking mike, but being unable to do anything about it] than legos stuck up the nose."

"i dont want you to forget that i'm here, and i'll always be here. no matter what. because you're my brother, and i love you. there is nothing in this world — absolutely nothing — that will ever change that."

like?? could those be any more clear?

honestly, all of this boils down to taking things at face value, not understanding the phrase "show, don't tell" , and learning what the term "queerbaiting" is & just running it into the ground without actually taking time to soak in what it really means

you know what would be queerbaiting? all of this set up for it to go nowhere.

but guess what! there's another season CONFIRMED to be in the making that comes in 2 years! we have time! the story isn't over! this is how storytelling is when there's more to come, bbg💀

#broom sweeps 👩🏾‍🦯 #ive had time to rlly think about this since july & RAUHH #once again the internet shows that they can only take things at face value!! #i could argue abt the eddie stans going absolutely OFF THE RADAR abt his death as if the duffer brothers haven't been killing off their– #–new seasonal characters since day one (barb / bob / alexi / billy to an extent) but eh idk if i can argue it well enough

[bottoms-movie]

i think you're valid for wanting coming out scenes for gay characters. especially ones that are obviously queer coded. at the same time i feel like the duffer brothers kinda did a decent compromise with will. for one it's the 80s & being gay was 10x scarier than it is now. for two we got Robins amazing coming out scenes with Steve. i also wish ppl would hire like. consultants for script writing so they'd stop accidentally queer coding characters. so eddie would've never come off as gay. steve never came off bi. still the same charming guys just not queer coded

i literally had this typed all out and then tumblr brought up a random notif and exited this out so hopefully i can get my words to work again fjskks

okay i totally understand what you’re saying, i mean atp will is basically as canonically gay you can get without him saying “i’m gay.” i just still wish we didn’t have to compromise when it comes to queer characters. but my feelings on this might also change depending on if will comes out in s5 and how s5 actually treats will.

in relation to eddie being queer coded (imo, gay), i don’t really see how it could be accidental tbh. i mean i could see how the whole “freak” thing going over their heads, but the whole scene with eddie and robin where eddie goes “hunt the freak, right?” and robin goes “exactly,” that feels intentional. also the hanky code?? that was mainly used by queer men so ?? idk

in relation to steve, i honestly don’t think he is really bi coded (but if other people have a diff opinion, please lmk!!). i mean he exudes bi energy and i hc him as bi but i haven’t noticed much of him being bi coded, except maybe in relation to eddie just bc of their looks fjskkak, but i also think keery and quinn just have amazing chemistry that leads to people reading their relationship a certain way. don’t get me wrong, i totally ship them, i just don’t necessarily think they bi coded steve if that makes sense?

idk i also just want will to be happy and i also want everyone to be gay so i may be biased fjskks. pls let me know your opinions if y’all have diff ones!! (just as long as they’re not rude 😭😭)

#answered #anonymous #st spoilers #stranger things spoilers

[mrsblackruby]

Hey👋🏿 hope you’re having a nice day 😊

Sorry for cross tagging but the harassment is getting out of hand. Okay I’m a Billy Hargrove fan willing to make a cross tag post [which turned into a 5 part series ] discussing how to treat and respect fans in the strangers things community. I’m hoping to showcase behavior we shouldn’t engage in when we see someone who likes a character who we dislike. I’m also hoping to start a respectful discussion to help anyone on tumblr who doesn’t understand Billy fans but wants to understand them.Let’s hope this doesn’t become overwhelming 😳

I’m open to fair criticism. Let me know if you interpret a post differently than me if you want. Please let me know your opinions if you have them.

Don’t worry I also want to be respectful to those who don’t like Billy because you have ur reasons to not like his character and connect to fiction however you want to connect to fiction. I want to make things clear I’m not trying to make a moral condemnation of anyone who has engaged in the behavior I critic in this post. There are much bigger problems in the world but I’m so passionate about this one because I’m a person of color who connects to Billy’s story arc and the way some antis treat Billy fans is just cruel. Billy fans are real people who exist and their stories have real life consequences. Online harassment in fandom is not excusable because it is still harassment.

This post is long as FUCK and will have different parts but even tho it’s long I find the conversation to still be interesting so keep that in mind if you read I’ll try to reblog it and pinned it on my blog for ease. There’s a lot to discuss and this conversation should be dealt with care. I will also have the different parts linked at the end of each post. ( I’m also a stupid teenager pls be kind)

I worked so hard on this.

Please share this if you want because I believe our fandom can combat the environment of harassment online we see. Nobody deserve this type of treatment for hyper-fixating on a fictional character that gives them comfort!

Tw for all parts// harassment, racism, discussion of abuse, and abuse apologia, death threats, spoilers for strangers things season 1-3

Tw for this part// harassment, racism, fictional suicide mentioned

I have taken screenshots to reference and prove the behavior I critic but I have gotten rid of all identifying content as to avoid further harassment. Please don’t go out looking to harass anyone. Let me know if I need to add any warnings. this is a somewhat serious, heavy, and layered discussion. We are talking about how humans connect to fiction here so it’s bound to be complex.

[important Note for entire series] All these posts are recent by the way just to show case the harassment is still and ongoing issue even tho Billy has been “ dead” for quite a while now. He might have killed him self but Billy is still my rat man. let me love 😍him.

The Harassment of Billy Hargrove Fans #1

“Okay let’s get started”

Assumptions and cruel judgments of Billy fans

In this Twitter post someone makes the assertion that being a Billy Hargrove fan is a red flag. I’m aware that this is not a tumblr user but I have seen some of this sentiment on tumblr. I will begin by criticizing this post because someone being a fan of a fictional character doesn’t make them and inherent threat to anybody’s personhood. I get that the person who posted this may even agree with what I just argued, that Billy fans aren’t a real life threat, but that’s not what is being communicated at all when someone reads this especially when a fan of Billy reads this. And if someone out there does believe this for one reason or another I’m going to continue to dispute your claim. Some Billy fans might engage in problematic behavior but to hold a layer of apprehension towards all fans of a character because of this might be something you need to reevaluate. Making a moral judgment on real human beings because they like a character is not okay especially if you don’t even know the reasoning.

Just because someone likes a character that might be a mass murderer in fiction doesn’t mean that now they support massacres, correct? Same logic applies here if someone does interpret Billy as racist but still likes his character that does not mean they think racism in the real world is okay ( or bullying, harassment, or anti feminism either) and that does not mean they can’t organize against real world problems effectively.

This is a crude assumption

First things first not every who likes Billy ships Harringrove

As a Harringrove shipper I can only speak for myself and say I could give less of a fuck if Billy is “good” or “bad”. That’s doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to smash king Steve. That’s also doesn’t mean he can’t be queer and it doesn’t mean I can’t like the ship. And it doesn’t mean that I can’t connect to Billy on a disastrously queer level ( got that phrasing from a grade A post on this hell site)

Believing Billy can see the errors in his ways and can heal and become a “good” person… doesn’t have to be a byproduct of being a shipper. it can just be a read someone has of a character so “anon” no disrespect to ya but your thinking is wrong.

Okay this is gonna be lengthy

Fine some Billy fans ignore the shit he did… but that’s not inherently bad. Fans can headcannon Billy into a completely different portrayal than what we see on screen and love him I don’t see a problem with that especially when they aren’t excusing any abuse.

The Duffers brothers failed at exploring racism in their show if that was their intention. Point blank period since this is a form of art it can be interpreted in many different perspectives. Especially if it is not tied to any explicit themes on racism in the text. I interpret Billy’s actions as racist but no one has to do so if they connect to the story in a different manner. I felt the weight of Billy’s “ certain type of people” comment. However it was only and implication not a confirmation. Stop being mad at people for not interpreting something left up to interpretation.The writers didn’t explicitly tackle the issue they wanted to tackle.

This might be helpful 2 know …I interpret Billy as racist, I’m also black, I also Stan Billy Hargrove.

Okay here we go… no-one has to interpret Billy’s actions as being racist so why assume that if someone likes Billy it’s because they’re racist just like him… if they don’t even think he’s racist. I hope that makes sense

I think Billy is racist 4 sure the story flows better for me that way and it makes a lot of sense to me. Now let’s talk about racism in the real world … racism is something that is taught. Racism is a big large system we are all conditioned into. Racism is something we must all unlearn in the real world. So in the fictional world I think there is an entertaining plot line that Billy can go down and unlearn his racism +stop beating up on children Billy 🤦🏿‍♀️. Because I see that potential growth that is why I like his character. Oh and no one ever talks about this but I head cannon Billy as fat phobic because of the “lard- ass” comment so my version of Billy is working through that as well.

I don’t wanna sound all high and mighty I can understand why someone might express this sentiment. I’m not gonna demonize someone who is black like me (black people have dealt with that enough). I also get why you would not even like Billy if you interpret him as racist. [Someone could have the same analysis of Billy as me and still not like him because how we connect to fiction is somewhat irrational.] I would just ask that we don’t jump to conclusions about anyone’s politics because of how they like a fictional character. That we treat other members in our fandom with respect.

I can never and will never excuse racism because if I do I would be turning a blind eye on a system that kills my loved ones. Your allowed to not like Billy Hargrove honestly I don’t see any Billy fans who care? Stop making crude assumptions about people who do Stan Billy Hargrove ur “ joke” is a hurtful misrepresentation.

Lol like #notallbillyfans am I right guys 👉🏿

*crickets sounds and booing*

okay sorry let’s move on…

The problem I hope i highlighted is that you can not make inherent claims to thy morals of a human being because they like a fictional character.😂

Stand alone post: Me reading to much into the politics of Billy Hargrove/ Harringrove

THE 5 PART SERIES ON HARASSMENT:

#2 #3 #4 #5

#billy hargrove #harringrove #anti harringrove #anti billy hargrove #will byers #byler #elmax #el hopper #jane byers #bob newby #kali prasad #jonathan byers #nancy wheeler #jim hopper #max mayfield #robin buckley #stranger things #mike wheeler #lucas sinclair #joyce byers