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#ppl saying that the main character is racist & homophobic when she’s not
redheadbigshoes · 2 years
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for anyone planning to watch one day at a time for lesbian rep, they should also know numerous ppl make lowkey homophobic comments to the girl who's a lesbian that are never challenged("we know youre gay but do u have to act so gay?" type shit as well as her mom like. ughh, there's a whole episode where her mom is just really homophobic and in the end shes like "i may be thinking these things but its ok because i sould never say them to her and anyway my daughter coming out was an understandable shock") and also that the main family says some rlly racist shit( specifically their grandmother repeatedly saying theyre the "good kind of cubans" bc they're white, as well as referencing her family being invokved in the plantations where they lowkey owned black and brown ppl as a good thing, lots of pro us military bullshit as well, like, extremely,.) and that's never treated as a real issue either, just something to laugh at. so yea h. just throwing it out there because a lot of ppl recommended the show to me but being a brown lesbian, well, lol, lets just say it sucks to have to realize on tthe show that's being recommended to u for being "so progressive" and "such great latino rep" is racist af and repeatedly has homophobic insinuations about like, the only regularly seen queer character on the show. i lowkey doubt you'll post this anon, bc most ppl dont give af but. id appreciate it.
No, actually you’re right. When I said it was a good lesbian rep I was mainly talking about Elena, not how the other characters treat her or how they see her identity, it’s very very rare seeing lesbians being represented in a more positive way, not fetishizing or anything like that, and the fact that they do use the word lesbian (not as frequently as I’d like to but still better than never) is a huge thing because most lesbian characters are never referred as lesbians.
After I rewatched some episodes there really are some things that bothered me like those you brought up. That particular scene of “acting gay” I did not really like it, I don’t know if the character who said that (from what I remember it was either Alex or Lydia) was actually supposed to sound homophobic or not. But considering that scene is supposed to be funny I do think it’s just a way to kinda mock her. Also that scene of Penelope saying she can think homophobic things about her daughter because as long she doesn’t say anything to her is okay… That sounded so wrong. It’s not okay. Just because you’re not saying those things out loud it doesn’t mean it’s not wrong.
I’ve never actually noticed Lydia said that because they were white… wow. The part of the pro military I can’t really say anything because that’s the most common thing in american movies/shows. It’s very annoying though.
Yeah about being a great latino rep I don’t think it is, I say that as a latina. It’s still very much stereotyped, which is one of the things us latinos hate about how gringos see us. Tbh I don’t think I’ve ever seen good latino rep in american movies and shows.
Considering the show is still pretty much (from what I know) made by Americans for Americans, I’ve never really expected great rep from it.
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You know that flavor of ppl who aren't like homophobic by the strictest definition. Like they don't hate queer ppl and are even enthusiastic to co-exist with them but are like. Weird about it. Not in the "I'm fine with queers i just dont want them shoved down my throat" bc thats just homophobia but like the gluten free version of that.
This phenomenon is more harmful irl but im pulling examples from fandom bc thats where i spend most my time online these days and shipping is inconsequential enough to discuss. If a boy and a girl interact at all in one scene theres immediately a whole community for their ship and no one bats an eye. But shippers of gay ships that dont interact are filled with ppl who lord them as their "uwu gay babies" and shippers who are normal about it get plagued with ppl asking them for "proof theyre a couple." And when you do the same for a straight ship ppl retort with "this isnt hurting anyone so leave us alone" which could be a reasonable argument. But the same ppl using that for their straight ships are also the ones asking for cited sources that the author didnt intend for characters in a gay ship to be entirely straight.
Same with other queer headcanons. Trans hcs will have ppl saying that "i PERSONALLY never saw them as trans your headcanon is valid but i need you to give me an essay on your reasons bc WHY WOULD THEY BE TRANS." Ace headcanons are similar except with ppl also telling the hperson with the ace headcanon that they ship this character with someone. And ofc theres the "arent characters allowed to be friends" argument which again. Is valid. But the ppl making that for queer headcanons also often parade screenshots where a boy and girl in a show look at each other and say "this is proof theyre canon."
And maybe its just bc ive been into more queer media lately but these kids of ppl are worse when the media actually has canon queer characters? Ppl flock to the safe and canon gay ships and use that as a shield against accusations of bias. They CANT be homophobic or even biased against queer people because look! They thought it was cute when these two secondary girls held hands! This character has gay dads and this person supports that! They just want you to write an academic paper to justify your ship existing because YOURE the crazy one whos bringing shipping into everything. No one has to reexamine their implicit biases whatsoever. It feels performative.
Ofc this also extends to other biases. The main character of this book is black so the fandom cant be racist. Thats why its perfectly fine for them to hyperfocus on the angsty white boy in the secondary cast and ignore the main poc characters. No one needs to think about why that consistently happens in every fandom like this. This main character is a girl! And shes also a Strong Female Character whos quirky. So we dont need to think about how the fandom lauds around the male villains as sexy and write pages of meta on their motivations and then call female villains "bitches" and talk about the graphic ways they should be killed and maybe sexualize them if theyre conventionally attractive but in a more dehumanizing way than the male villains. And ofc if you call fans out for this, they jump behind the shield of "liking diverse media." Which makes them immune to accusations of bigotry. This is also true for creators of media btw.
Anyway its like. I would rather deal with these kinds of ppl than actual homophobes, especially regarding non fandom topics that actually affect irl ppl. But also these people are so much more annoying than actual homophobes. Bc like. If you tell me you support queer ppl then act like it, you know?
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ghostiewriter · 3 years
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this isn’t an ask or anything, more like a rant but im fr so tired of twitter stans and the way they attack madison/jiara on ANYTHING.
i don’t necessarily agree with some things madison does but they’re not HARMFUL. like yesterday when she went live to address the people who were hating on her for her dress at the mtv awards. i don’t remember exactly what she said but ppl on twitter started calling her a “classist” ?? like what. because she said one little thing, she’s a classist..make it make sense. it’s so funny to me because everyone in the main cast with the exception of madelyn and jd (unless im missing something) have done something wrong, yet i see madison get the most hate for what she’s done? also i don’t get why people say madison is transphobic, when she’s clearly not..it’s so confusing to me. she’s spoken up about trans rights before and how we shouldn’t exclude them from black lives matter. i know she made a poor comment like two years ago but she was young and probably didn’t know any better.
and as for people who attack jiara stans/jiara, get a life?? why does it bother you what people ship...? it’s so strange, like just focus on your own ship. imagine telling someone to k*pk themselves because of what they ship 😍. i would understand if it was a toxic ship...but it’s not. hot take but tumblr stans > instagram stans > twitter stans. obx twt stans are the worst, they can’t respect anyone or anything for shit.
okay that’s all, thanks for listening to me ramble and i would love to know your thoughts as well!
I don’t know all the details of the situation, nor have I seen the “evidence” that people have for all these claims. But I have an opinion, and I’m not saying my opinion should be everyone’s but nonetheless here it is.
I tend to avoid fandom Twitter because it’s generally quite toxic, and the OBX fandom is just an example of it. They are ruthless, they interpret things how they want and then use it to “cancel” celebrities because they take clips out of context and use it as “evidence”. They seem to love targeting Maddie, most likely because she tends to respond to their claims (which honey, I wish you wouldn’t because they don’t deserve the attention ahshsbdb). But it’s not only Maddie they do this too, they like to do it to other cast members and even take it to the people around them. Then again, this isn’t just a Twitter thing, you tend to see this in every platform and within every fandom.
It’s stupid and I honestly don’t understand the point. I’m not saying people should or shouldn’t be “cancelled” but if someone’s done or said something shitty or wrong, they should be educated and learn to grow as a person. Cancelling them does nothing, tell them why they are wrong and let them learn from their mistakes. They deserve a chance to be a better person.
And as for the ship thing? It’s just simply immature. We all watched this show and loved it, we have that in common. However, we just saw the potential in different ships. That’s okay, that’s honestly completely okay. What I don’t understand is why we can’t just let each other go about with our preferred ships and leave it there. Telling people to k*ll themselves over a ship? Calling them homophobic or racist if they don’t ship the same ship as you? Like ma’am if you can’t learn to respect someone else’s opinion on something as trivial as a fictional ship in a TV show, then the internet is not the place for you. If it bothers you that much, just blog the hashtag and be done with it. No need to get hostile and say such extreme and rude things to people.
I would also like people to remember that though these actors play fictional characters we love on a show, they are also humans. Just like yourself and I. And they have boundaries and they aren’t perfect and they are bound to make mistakes. It’s not our job as their fans, and as people in general, to harass them and “cancel” them. Whatever Maddie said, I’m sure she meant no ill intention by and most likely should’ve just worded it better. I’m sure we’ve all had situations like this. But like this lovely anon said, none of it is harmful. Maddie and the rest of the OBX cast are young, they are gonna make some mistakes and they will grow from them. Unlike the rest of us, they are in the spotlight where everyone’s pointing a camera at them and waiting for them to trip up. But once again, they are still human and still deserve a chance to grow as a person and learn from their mistakes.
But if you think harassing them and “cancelling” them and bullying them is gonna solve anything, you can kindly fuck right off my blog!❤️
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crazygaysex · 3 years
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incomprehensible conjecture and rambling about sunny/rcg under the cut! idk man I got 1 hour of sleep in the past 24 or wataver and my brain is an abandoned swamp Good Nigte
i certainly am not arguing that mac Absolutely Isnt a stereotype of a predatory gay man/self-hating homophobe or whatevr. i wont argue the homophobe one at all really,not great even if they rectified it and further tried to make up for it or whatever w mac finds his pride (which i love, regardless). but honestly i dont think the predatory complaint really makes a whole lot of legitimate sense considering every charatcer on the show is Extremely predatory in their own right. if he wasnt i’d be irritated to be honest. i do agree w wat mcelhenney said something like that its cool that they decided to acknowledge he was gay without changing him fundamentally as a person; he still needs to fit into the show or watever. like idk he’s not Ideal Gay Rep ofc but he’s awesome still. To Me. I like when character’s sexuality can be an improtant acknowledged facet of them but doesnt overtake the rest of te narrative! It never occurred to me that his behavior toward dennis would be seen as predatory ina stereotypical way seeing as how their relationship dynamic is so fckign bizarre. charlie has the same level of dogged cluelessness about the obj of his affection’s true feelings, so it didnt occur to me to see mac touching dennis’ knee or stuff of that variety as being any different ig or as making fun of queers or watevr. if i am wrong/misunderstanding i apologize. i have never considered mac from that perspective before.
honestly i kinda get the complaints. i’ve never rly thought rcg all have 10000% pure intentions with the insensitive kind of humor they are into, no matter their loophole justifications for shit. sometimes i almost believe their reasoning and do basically understand but it still seems flimsy when you considers stuff like the blackface stuff which is indeed kind of funny at times mainly bc the joke is the absurdity of it all, like mac in the shower with the brown dripping off him like he’s melting; it’s not funny at the expense of black ppl but more so at the expense of how goddam stupid and unaware mac is. i havent seen the blackface/brownface ones in years sos i dont have a whole lot to say excepe they seemed to be clearly against using blackface as the moral while still using it to get laughs. so. really honestly i don’t know that it’s Liderally Ever edgy white people’s call to use something like blackface regardless of context, regardless of their obvious intent? i dunno i have tried to find Black ppls opinions online a couple times but struggled to find any tangible results. the only other thing i have to say with ym white person words is that i think it’s stupid that the streamig companies take down all insensitive episodes like theyre trying to brush them under the rug and pretend it never happened in wake of a changing political climate. i get it, but kinda just seems like corporate scrambling ie disney getting ridof all of song of the south but still profiting from splash mountain eprhaps. something seems dodgy to me about pretending it doesnt exist anymore just to cover their asses. i understand the sentiment i guess but i dont think that’s really the main goal of the BLM movement, to purge streaming services of any questionable/racially insensitive/Fully Racist material; there’s surely more important things at the top of the lists besids Good Branding . im not sure if that makes sense
also a lot of episodes the joke is the blatant but somehow woefully oblivious homoerotic overtones present between the guys, like a Lot of the time. it is very funny though is the thing and a lot of thm are my favorites. i dunno. i also thought hte pooping transgender bit was pretty funny mainly cause it was absurd. i think maybe because i have my own what i think are reaosnable and empathetic views about certain stuff like queer shit it doesnt necessarily occur to me that they are trying to make fun of queer people.. like people make fun of conservative fans for having completely missed the point of it all being satire, and wat if i am being tricked to into assuming rcg has kind intentions and isnt trying to make fun of queer people just cause the thought didnt occur to me? instead of taking all the gay subtext serious- WHICh i Do, i should probably be more aware that to rcg it is just a bit and not really that deep. but mac and dennis were totally fucjing in s5 canonically. anwyays like aside from the carmen shit which is handled So Fuckign Bad and it makes me so upset cause i actually love carmen they were just very clearly not bothered with actually representing trans people accurately. so in the bathroom one if even fuckin dee reynolds is like, saying a trans woman in a woman’s bathroom is obviously normal.. it seems like they’d rectified some of their previous Very flawed rhetoric surrounding trans women (ie the whole “u slept with me when i was still a man” line. makes me cringe a bit ebery time)u get wat i mean?? not that it atones for it obviously. i love carmen she desreved better
butreallt i dont have any like. Pure Faith in rcg to be super accountable or honest about their intentions or to have the most accurate or agreeable beliefs or whataver. theyre just fucking about really because they can without any lashback. and people i think like being able to laugh at offensive shit thru scenarios which supposedly distance you from bigots/evil people and make u feel better about yourself watching these dumbass evil people talk slime. when like. glenn yelling supposedly arabic-sounding gibberish for example: it is funny in this context not just cause it’s wildly inappropriate and absurd but also because there’s prob significant amt of people who actually dont have an issue with it who could watch it and not have that takeaway whatsoever. i dont kno wt im talking about anymore btu honestly if youre trying to watch a show that isnt rife throughout with controversial/offensive/insensitive language and story beats, i dont know why you would try to stomach it with sunny. like for gods sake they used blackface more than once! i dunno man
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I see so many people saying that lydia was/is a qUeEn and a hEro for being okay when alec kissed magnus at 'their wedding' but like...She knew that alec had feeling for magnus before the wedding and still was going to go ahead and marry him which meant that alec well them both would've been unhappy🤷🏽‍♀
I just don't like lydia tbf, she kinda rubbed me the wrong way but that might be just me😕
diaiduahs ok so i debated with myself whether or not to answer this question for like 0.3 seconds before i realized that wait a minute, i have never shut the fuck up about what i think ever in my life. who am i kidding. but anyway fair warning that my opinion on lydia is pretty unpopular among "both sides" of that debate (i don't think there are ever just two sides to any issue but anyway)
also warning that i'm not dissing you or your ask in particular, just giving my opinion based on what i've seen and heard on this debate in the fandom
here's the thing. i don't think she did wrong by accepting alec's marriage proposal. i wouldn't say she did right either, in my opinion her choice was pretty morally neutral
because it would have been different if alec had no choice on the matter and she chose it knowing it would make him miserable. but that's not what happened at all
alec did have a choice. in fact, the fact that he proposed to lydia was something that made his parents (who are the main responsibles for his closeting) fucking pissed. he wasn't doing it to please them; he was doing it as part of his own plan
and again, don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that this wasn't extremely traumatic and awful to him. he wouldn't have even considered it if it weren't for the awful conditions of his closeting and abuse, and he would have been miserable for the rest of his life. but alec had agency. he wasn't helpless. he was making a decision based on the shit conditions that he was in, trying to ensure his own safety and success. the conditions were horrible, but every decision we make is based on the environment we are in. and acting as if lydia was somehow forcing him into this marriage is acting as if alec didn't have autonomy to make his own choices, which i think is pretty unfair to him
one more time! i'm not saying it isn't fucked up that he had to make that decision. i know that ppl a lot of times say "lol it was their choice" regarding ppl staying in the closet to wave off the trauma of closeting and debates about queerphobia in general. the closet wouldn't even be a choice that's presented if queerphobia didn't exist. no one's choises exist in a vacuum, we are all dealing with the material conditions of our lives, and queerphobia is a huge part of that; one that makes the best choices for us impossible. so like, no, he wasn't BY ANY MEANS 100% free to choose what he wanted. but he DID have agency in his decision to propose to her
besides, what was she supposed to say? "no ur gay lol"? it's not like outing him would have been an amazing move. and of course she could have said no and not said that it's because alec is gay and would never be happy with a woman, but honestly, what the fuck kind of right does she have to make that choice for him? she doesn't even know him. she has no right to tell him what he should do with the plate of shit that homophobia and abuse has handed to him, especially when he obviously is trying to keep his agency and have control over his situation and choosing to marry lydia was a part of that. again, maryse was pissed. when alec chose to marry lydia, he was doing it for himself
what would have happened if she had said no? he would have ended up marrying another girl. and probably one that his parents picked, not him. like, let's please give alec credit here. he chose to stay in the closet, but he was fighting being just a pawn in his parents' game from the start. and it's not like either of them had any illusions about what this marriage was; it was a business arrangement at best. alec called it a partnership. they both just wanted to use that situation to their favor. and in shadowhunter culture, that's normal (i'm not saying that's a good thing, just that it's a fact that influences her decision to say yes as well). like, do you think maryse and robert loved each other? we haven't really seen any other shadowhunter marriages so i can't say for others, but it sounds to me like marriages of convenience were pretty standard. if i were alec, id probably be relieved that she had said yes, because then they'd both be in a situation where they knew exactly what they were getting into and he didn't want to pretend
and don't get me wrong, i'm not saying she did alec a favor or some shit. i'm just saying i can't really see how she is doing him harm in that situation, and that i think this take is taking away a lot of alec's agency and if i were him i'd be pretty pissed about that lol
but tHEN we have the Lydia Stans who ALSO take his agency just as much with this absolute nonsense take that she was a "hero" because she "let" him call off the marriage. excuse me lol? he wasn't hers for her to "let" him do anything. what could she even DO to "not let" him kiss magnus? at best, she could have thrown a tantrum. which would have been pretty ugly, but like. pointless. she can't make him stay and if she had tried to this would make her a fucking asshole and a villain. but the fact that she wasn't a villain doesn't make her a hero lmao
she did the bare minimum! sure, she was gracious about it, it was nice that she said that he deserved to be happy, but still the bare minimum. it was alec's choice, not hers. she doesn't have any right to force him into this marriage, and she didn't have the means to, either, which is part of why i think her choice to accept his proposal was morally neutral
and god it's annoying as hell that ppl act as if she was doing some kind of favor by not being incredibly violent and homophobic and trying to force him into a marriage with her lol? like not being homophobic should be the least we expect. and again, alec can make his own choices. he didn't need her permission to do jack shit
so when it comes to the whole alec situation, i'm pretty neutral towards lydia. it's whatever. she was barely there for that plotline anyway. when it comes to the doyalist perspective of it all, i am pissed as hell that she seems to be so popular within the fandom as if she did something incredible or whatever, but my feelings towards her as a person/character would have been pretty neutral
but tHEN we have the fact that "both sides" of this debate openly and completely ignore all the other fucked up shit she did, like trying to arrest izzy for saving a downworlder's life (idc if she changed her mind, it was still gross) or her openly racist comments. her comment about raj should "cut back on the smartass after being manhandled by a warlock" was one of the racist comments that stuck with me the most in tHE WHOLE ENTIRE SHOW, because like. what??? warlocks are literally immortal powerful beings with access to magic shadowhunters can't DREAM of. and the "warlock" she's talking about is MAGNUS BANE, not only one of the most powerful of them, but someone that she supposedly admires??? like, my god, she was all but fangirling about him coming to the institute and then it's like. wow raj how could you lose to someone so inferior
like are you kidding me???? tell me how this comment makes ANY sense whatsoever unless you are the most shadowhunter supremacist person to have ever lived. there is no reason at all to presume that losing to a warlock is humiliating (especially considering how them powerful they are) unless you believe that shadowhunters should be inherently better than them at everything
but we never talk about that, now do we
so...... the super lydia-positive corner of the fandom annoys me to no end but overall this whole discussion just tires me from "both sides". i don't like her, and i hate that she is so loved when the shit she did is ignored and most of the stanning comes from a pretty belittling vision of alec anyway, but i also think the anti-lydia side focuses entirely on the wrong issues regarding her character
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m143ui · 3 years
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A MESSAGE TO THE PJO FANDOM
so hello friends on the other side
I understand some of the major concerns regarding characters like piper and the feather and hazels description but when you bring Leo and Reyna into the fucking conversation I have lost all respect.
ANYONE CAN BE ABUSED, ETHNICITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT
LATINO CHARACTERS
Reyna is not a negative stereotype, she isn't defined by being latina and neither is Leo, he isn't a stereotype simply because he’s latino and was abused. also him being called an elf was because he was short, which had nothing to do with him being latino. also the mamacita comment like y'all hide under the label “progressive” but ignore that mamacita has been a thing in Latin American communities for a fucking while. its not an insult dammit. its something that happens in our communities!!! its like saying muchacho y'all don't see men bitching about that.
also shocker I read the mamacita comment and I can proudly say I didn't go
“RICK YOU RACIST BITCH”
things that actually happen in communities aren't racist
and before any of y'all come at me with the usual you’re white excuse, hello friends im Peruvian and Paraguayan.
I don't think he’s perfect but bitching about characters like Leo which gave many of my Latin American friends hope for similar characters destroys your “listening to minorities” argument
also the lol “hes Mexican taco bad” argument like I live in Mexico we eat tacos like every fucking day. its literally a fact. and Leo isn't just defined as taco man.
believe it or not us latinos respect rick because he gave us role models and characters like us. we don't define a character by one line and instantly call discrimination. like yes a asian character can be snobby it has nothing to do with ethnicity. y'all are making this about ethnicity. an asian character can be anything, just like a white character or a black character or a gay character. people are not simply defined by their labels like ya’ll think. y'all are just a bunch of easily triggered snowflakes that can't live with that. they can be influenced but in the end labels are labels we are all human and should be treated as such.
LGBT REPRESENTATION
another thing Reyna was never officially a lesbian that was YOUR interpretation not riordans. IF HE DIDNT STATE IT , SORRY HONEY IT ISN’T CANON! I don't care about how she was “lesbian coded” if he didn't state it it isn't canon. 
I am so sick, as a lesbian, to see people use ALL QUEER DEATHS as a bury your gay tropes, what happened to seeing us as humans? why can't we be treated like any other character? if we die we die, it isn't always “haha gay evil boom death”. sometimes fully fledged characters have to die friends.
Nico isn't a bad gay character, he’s just a normal character who happens to be gay and has suffered major trauma. HIS TRAUMA WAS CAUSED BY HIS UPBRINGING, Nico isn't a 2000′s character, he’s from the 30′s, so obviously he woudn’t be perfect with his sexuality for gods sake it was the 30′s. the exact same thing happens with hazel, she isn't a modern black woman, she's a 30′s black woman. Nico’s coming out isn't him as a 21st century teen its from the time when the GOVERNMENT KILLED YOU FOR BEING GAY
also saying there are no lesbian characters? like wow look emmie and jo don't exist. Lavinia doesn't exist. poison doesn't exist. thanks fam you really make yourselves look smart here. simply because rick never said the word gay doesn't mean the gay characters don't exist friends. they are just labeled as what gay characters should be labeled as.... human.
LESBOPHOBIA & RACISM
im not educated in muslim or black culture so I won't mention characters like sam and hazel and piper because I respect and I am highly critical of what rick put in his books to describe these specific minorities.
HOWEVER saying rick is a lesbophobe, a homophobe, a racist a sexist cis guy is like do y’all wanna be taken seriously? use arguments don't hide behind words.
rick isn't a perfect writer but y'all really don't know how to criticise, y'all just hide behind big boy words and back it up with no evidence, just opinions.
rick doesn’t have the best minority rep out there but he is damn well trying and I respect that unlike all you fucking idiots.
SHIPS
now onto ships.... yay
frazel: im not gonna censor it like you pussies, believe it or not 13&16 year old relationships exist. they might not always be healthy but they exist. to deny this is to be stupid
solangelo:  another ship that is censored..the main argument I've seen is that it isn't developed and will isn't even a character... he was in last olympian and lost hero not my fault y'all have fish brains. I don't care if you dislike it but don't be like “ANYONE WHO SHIPS THIS IS AN ABUSIVE WHORE” like wow you always preach about accepting all ships and then throw this? also if you hate solangelo because of the “abuse” but ship percico like hi friends Nico is 4 years younger than Percy.. if y'all hate frazel because of the 3 year age difference y'all should hate this too.
CONCLUSIONS AND SHIT
not every character minority or otherwise is gonna be the way you want them to be, believe it or not any character can be anything, black characters can be loud, white characters can be loud. if they're only loud because “haha black” then THATS an issue not the simple existence of a loud black woman who has a loud personality.
y'all be here bitching about drew and I've never heard the asian perspective of this? just a bunch of black and white people telling asians they should be offended. was that just an uno reverse?
also last point stereotypes aren't always a negative thing and y'all need to get that in your heads.
anyway stay mad hoes <3
from a sane Peruvian <3
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I saw this beauty and had to comment on it
“having LGBT characters experience abuse and violence. nicos forceful outing rubs me the wrong way, especially because hes called a coward for being in the closet. its violent and kind of disturbing to make your gay character come out of the closet by force. maybe write better. additionally, alex's abusive father and subsequent homelessness because of her being trans is badly written.”
oh noooo gay characters can't deal with homophobia anymore ! like I can tell you have never been punched for being gay. is it bad to showcase how trans and gay ppl are 40% of homeless youth? or is even mentioning that discrimination? believe it or not some of us live in countries where people try to kill us. you have an advantage and it shows. about the coward thing... 
was FUCKING CUPID A GOOD CHARACTER? NO? I REST MY CASE. CUPID IS NOT SEEN AS A GOOD PERSON THEREFORE HE IS NOT A GOOD PERSON GET THAT IN YOUR THICK SKULLS.
 YOU HEARD IT HERE FOLKS LGBT FOLKS DONT GET FORCED OUT OF THE CLOSET 
#NEVER HAPPENS IN REALITY. 
JUST BECAUSE YOU WERENT FORCED OUT OF THE CLOSET DOESNT MEAN OTHER PEOPLE HAVE THAT SAME LUXURY. 
maybe stop spewing bullshit <3
(so I get that this scene can remind people of being outed and it can hurt them however this scene was never intended to be a good thing it literally says Nico is scared of facing his emotions)
EDIT NUMBER 2
oh boy rick really pissed off the snowflakes that I share a fandom with
“give Nico to the gays” no? he would be a femboy and they would yeet his trauma like ssrsly?
also hate rick? bitch no one is forcing you to read his tweets.
death of the author is such a toxic thing like the mans is alive boo he aint going nowhere..like What the fuck 
EDIT NUMBER 3
anyway final thoughts on this :
nico insn’t Uwu gay and its an insult to his character
Reyna is not a lesbian canonically (neither is Thalia)
Leo and Reyna are not racist
none of ricks characters are  written as insults to their communities
and if I see one more “but ....phobia/ ...ism I will do very illegal things
peace lol
RICK RIORDAN UPDATE:
congratulations rick antis! you have successfully harassed a  56 year old man into leaving social media! wow so progressive!!!! this totally won't backfire or anything!!!
all jokes aside all of you who harassed rick to the point of someone else taking over his social media should feel ashamed
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Hey! Just read your hot take on novel!wangxian and I absolutely agree. I'm gonna have to say here that I believe it boils down to the fetishization of homosexual men in a lot of the fandom culture that surrounds mlm shipping, as you said it's a space for a lot of women to experiment with their desires and whatnot, but I think therein lies the breaking points between reading novel!wangxian as a good, healthy relationship vs. reading it as a very flawed and toxic one. As an LGBT person, reading the way the author dealt with their relationship made me extremely uncomfortable, it just really feels like something that is written by someone who is more invested in using her queer characters for satisfying her and her reader's own pleasure than a well-built, strong relationship between two characters. Not to take away from the novel in some other aspects, I believe that novel!wwx is a much better, much more nuanced character than what he is in cql, but when it comes to wangxian, I think the intentions are very different for each of them. To each their own, I guess, but I do find it very troubling that some people in the fandom have a really hard time admitting that novel wangxian is not even remotely healthy.
Absolutely.
And can I just say how glad it makes me to see that not everyone is praising this book for it’s lgbt representation...
But I guess that’s also why I just occasionally feel the need to scream my frustrations into the void or try to make sense of the novel.
And why I try to be understanding and accepting of people’s opinion of the novel and not take it ‘personally’ (in the sense of sitting there thinking “holy shit this is how they view ME, this is what they think of ME” etc).
I was in fandoms back when they were really a place dominated by straight (homophobic) women and realism or lgbt representation wasn’t on anyone’s mind (and the occasional dude butting in to say that’s not how sex works or bottoming is experienced was ignored or told to get out). I experienced this change to fandoms being more of a lgbt space, of people becoming aware that media can shape your views of groups of people, of people becoming aware of their fetishizing of fictional gays vs. their prejudice against real life lgbt people etc.
And tbh MXTX just writes like one of those, she writes wangxian like everyone wrote their gay relationships around 2005 and earlier; clear power imbalance, clear roles and attributes that are divided into ‘manly’ and ‘feminine’, certain physical attributes (like the female self insert character aka the bottom being pretty and slight and weaker and shorter), men/the penetrating partner can’t really be raped so anything the woman/bottom tries isn’t really ‘bad’, the male love interest is forceful and self centered but ONLY because he’s so in love and since he’s emotionally stunted he has to express that through sex, men/tops NEED sex and it’s rude/mean to deny them that, the girl/bottom isn’t THAT horny or in charge of their own sexuality but wants to please their partner and what they really get out of it is the emotional aspect, decisions need to be made for them because the dude/top just knows better, the girl/bottom is childish and flirty and the guy/top suffers through it until he finally snaps and shows the girl/bottom who'sboss etc etc. (honestly homophobia and misogyny is so tightly knit in this kind of fiction, if it wasn’t so frustrating it would be very interesting).
Tbh I disagree with novel!wwx being more nuanced (despite a lot of ppl whose opinions I really respect also feeling this way), because I simply cannot seperate him from the wangxian relationship. All I see are tropes and stereotypes applied to make him ‘work’ in the context of the wangxian relationship instead of an actual personality...
To me, in CQL WWX is clearly the main character and you love his interactions with LWJ and want more of them and value them, wheras in the novel most of the time WWX plays second fiddle even when a scene should technically be about him and LWJ’s presence is incredibly suffocating, because he’s always being controlling or at the very least influencing WWX.
I also don’t feel like WWX has much of a character arc/growth. We’re essentially told he had one but the only thing that really actually changes is him hating himself a bit more and letting LWJ smash..., and I guess: he’s less independent than ever, he’s more isolated that ever...
I’ve called novel!wangxian a relationship between an abuser and his victim, because you can find evidence of that in the text. Not because I think the author wanted to portray an unhealthy gay relationship. Like you said, she was fetishizing and wrote for a similar crowd. But to me that ‘realization’ helped...I still don’t see how people can call it a masterpiece but I can at least understand hyping something you like up...
And like, badly written gay relationship or not; gay/straight,man/women, I see how people can find it hot. Exploring your sexuality through fictional characters isn’t necessarily a strictly straight girl phenomena. I probably have read fic that was exactly like this, I can’t judge anyone for it. But no one prints out the last PWP they read and goes, “this is ideal lgbt representation and nothing will ever be this good, the fact that it includes rape makes it so realistic” like????
(Is that part or an effect of the woke and purety culture? you can’t say ‘i like this book but it has flaws’ or ‘i’ve enjoyed this but it’s not up the feminism or lgbt acceptance that i preach/live’ so you have to pretend it’s flawless?)
And like, I do think novel!wangxian is a nightmare when it comes to lgbt representation and I do believe this is largely due to a cishet woman writing about gay men and fetishizing them (the fact that a lot of peoples arguments why novel!wangxian ‘is better’ boils down to ‘there’s kissing and sex’ is also pretty telling). And I am frightend and worried by some peoples response to it.
But is it really fair to see it as just that? It’s a problem sure, but that same thing happens in straight media (which I am admittedly not well versed in). Stephanie Meyer didn’t set out to write Edward Cullen to be a creep and non of the teenage girls that went crazy over him viewed it as such...Reylo fans (aside from some of them proclaiming Finn to be the real villain and saying it’s racist and misogynistic to not find Kylo Ren hot) found a way to view him threatening her as romantic and sexy, Loki fans that didn’t ship him with Thor usually fell into the camp of “he would be a perfect boyfriend” or “what if this OFC was his slave and he raped her everyday <3″... like ignoring/glorifying/romanticizing behaviours or exploring what kinks you might have through the safety of fictional characters and fictional settings isn’t JUST happening when it comes to ‘the gays’...
And not just specifically in fandom spaces either, a lot of ‘romantic’ movies include inappropriate touching, the boy/guy knowing better than the girl what she wants etc. And I absolutely do believe that that’s something that normalized these things for a lot of young girls and guys (I don’t want to get into this too much, I’ve really seen a change in the past few years, but before that it was pretty common for young boys to believe they need to keep pursuing and pressuring a girl that has said no, girls truly thought boys could die of blue balls, girls thought it was their duty as good girlfriends to let their boyfriends fuck them even when they weren’t in the mood, that they couldn’t talk about what they want in bed or what they don’t find enjoyable because ‘sex is for boys and girls get a relationship in exchange’ etc.).
And in much the same way movies have only relatively recently begun being called out for that, it’s also still pretty recently that they’re being called out for having their one queer coded character be a pedophile and a murder or whatever...Like, society as a whole becoming aware of these issues.
But do authors that publish their work with a specific target audience in mind have a responsibility to think about the effect it might have on them? (And I can already hear loud screams of ‘no way, it’s not your fault if your audience isn’t smart enough to understand that this bad thing is bad’, but I actually do believe in a way they do. That doesn’t mean you can’t or shouldn’t write whatever you want, just maybe take a look at HOW you bring your point across. (We do KNOW people are influenced by what propaganda they’re consistantly fed. I mean, you wouldn’t write a pro-drugs childrens book...) )
What if the author isn’t aware of their bias and prejudices? Or their target audience isn’t their actual audience?
And do we, society and media, judge female and male authors differently when it comes to romance and sex in fiction? (The answer is yes btw) But also, where do we draw the line at calling something ‘badly written’ and calling it toxic? Can it be both? As I’ve said before, a lot of people claim that only the physical intimacy scenes of novel!wangxian are bad, because they’re badly written and OOC, some say the book as amazingly written and only the wangxian relationship is bad because the author doesn’t know how to write gay men. In my ‘hot take’ I essentially said that’s not necessarily bad writing so much as it’s simply an (okay, unintentional) toxic relationship. And would this relationship still come across as toxic (or badly written, whichever you want) if we didn’t know the author to be a cishet woman? Or if a gay man had written it? (my personal, eloquent answer for this is: yes, but differently.)
Which was really all just a rambly way to get to my point of: it’s not just fetishizing of gay men, it’s also the homophobia and self-inserting in a safe situation.
You can literally replace WWX in the novel with a female character and it wouldn’t change a thing. The author takes such an effort into building up this power imbalance in every aspect of their life that if WWX were a heroine nothing would change in this (sexist/ancient society) setting.
(And clearly this is something that appeals to people if you look at the amount of female!WWX fics...)
Not even the sex scenes. There are maybe two allusions in all of them combined that WWX might also have a dick but like, you can’t be sure and it sure as hell doesn’t need stimulation.
(and again, that could be written as a kink...but it’s just not.)
CQL is a gay love story. MDZS at it’s core is none of that.
But I also very much agree with your ‘to each their own’, like here I am criticizing and trying to find explanations and whatever, but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter why someone might like (or write) a book like this, I vastly prefer CQL!wangxian but people have their own reasons for not doing so.
The ‘problem’ really only lies in, as you said, people not being able to accept that it’s not a healthy relationship. Or claiming it to be perfect lgbt rep.
And because my brain can’t shut up today:
I also can’t stop thinking that the way some people ‘glorify’ the book as due to their age and ‘inexperience’.
When I was a pretty young kid and got into fanfiction, there was nothing but completely OOC!whump to be found in the first two fandoms I was in. And I loved it. It was YEARS later that I thought I might like to read something with the characters being...in character. What I’m trying to say, in different stages and phases of your life you might enjoy different things, for different reasons...and obviously, in that moment, you won’t think about ‘what appeals to me here/should this appeal to me/etc’.
I don’t mean inexperience as ‘sexual inexperience’ here, though of course that could be part of it, but also like, inexperience with this genre (is this the first book like this you read, or did you just read 50 in a row that all had the same unhealthy vibes?), with lgbt people and issues (do you know any lgbt people or is your only image of them either the cute boy you can’t have and don’t want to see with another girl or grown men in full kink gear in front of children during CSD? and also: do you think ‘i like this’ and that’s the end of it or do you notice how many people idolize this objectively unhealthy relationship and won’t allow critique on it...)  
I...just wanted to say thanks really.
I just can’t stop rambling apparently and I know I mostly just repeated what you said or what I already said but in longer... I just really do feel very strongly about novel!wangxian and the perception of them and have actually at times felt very personally...worried/affected, by people’s acceptance and love of them and I just... have to try and make sense of it...
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motherscarf · 4 years
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I always wake up thinking abt Simon and I just woke up and so here are 6 things I woke up thinking abt
He’s beautiful and lovely and frankly I’m in love with him
I was talking abt this yesterday but I’m still thinking about it- that time when Simon grew wings the SECOND time and flew to pennys house after stealing all the magic at Baz’s house and they couldn’t get rid of the wings and then penny was like “why do you have a tail?” And Simon was like idk and SUCKED THE TAIL UP HIS BUTT!! (Then it came back) Frankly I don’t remember this happening the first time but I just listened to the audiobook and I was shocked and delighted. Slurp
That being said Simons tail has a black spade and that . . .
Simon has a speech impediment and I will not hear a single thing against it
The like Simon and relation to the asexuality spectrum (I have seen discussions of grey & Demi) discussions and how the more I think abt it the more I like it
Ok well I’ve been thinking & talking abt how all the characters are sort of. Assholes. In their own ways right. Like the racism and the homophobia and the uhhhhhh elitism and the ableism and oh let’s not forget misogyny. And how despite the fact that these things exist w/in the characters and we are all AGAINST these concepts of bigotry, we still like the characters right. Like Penny is a posterchild for all of these character flaws right, but we still all fucking adore Penny- rightfully so. And the reason is not because WE are necessarily bigots (though everyone is in their own way and everyone needs to make a constant and conscious effort to improve) but because these ideas are presented, in the text, as bad. It’s the argument that like,,, rainbow isn’t homophobic because she makes homophobic characters because while you’re reading you KNOW that homophobia is bad. Right. Furthermore, part of the reason we like (or I like) the characters is that despite their flaws they visibly improve upon them (EX. jay wrote abt Baz’s misogyny and it’s a hot hot take). ANYWAY!!!!!!!!!! My point with this is: Simon seems to be the BEST when it comes to improving. He’s not the BEST coming into it because he doesn’t have experience with people different than him bc he doesn’t have experience w PEOPLE. But he’s the best at IMPROVING!!!!! It’s also not commentary on the fact that Simon is a sexually ambiguous white man (gay white men will save us all thank u gay white men) but perhaps more that he didn’t have parental figures who instilled these concepts on him (I don’t have proof for this on hand just trust me. I refuse to believe that Rainbow would say that). Like, Idk I just be thinkin abt how he met penny and made racist remarks towards her, and then penny was like don’t. And he was like oh my bad okay. And then he recognized like: oh that’s bad. And then he’s friends with women. He’s the only male character whose main friends are women and he’s never like oh my god these LADIES. He dates agatha for the wrong reasons and his misogyny is shown in his objectification, right. But the way he treats her isn’t like,,,, idk he isn’t. U woman. U do this. Idk. My point is that his view on women is ever changing. And then he’s like,, against the ableism and elitism (partially because it effects him) and he gets wrapped up in a counterproductive effort w the mage because he wants to improve life for ppl. Idk I just like. Like Simon is flawed and fucked up in so many ways. He needs to get better. But he is the example that his friends need to look at while they improve their views on the world. The end.
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1I'm late to this fandom but I started Aug and it's been a few months already so maybe I can somewhat say that I've spent quite some time here too. My question is, where are all these supposed racist posts? It's been almost a year and I have NEVER once seen a post hating on M refer to the color of her skin. At it's most shallow, some say they automatically hate her bec she's a roadbump to the ship. But the well thought-out criticisms or even those rly saying they hate her character now
2 esp after 2x6 do so bec of her actions/the way she's written. It's like the writers are afraid to let her be wrong even when she is. LBR, she's been a terrible friend & faced no consequence for it. The thing I most disliked about Alex in S2 is how he easily forgave. Some ppl were so shocked he gave Jesse a chance, like duh, he forgave Maria too just a few eps back. How is Jesse a surprise? They've both been awful to him (Michael too IMO). Also the way she felt entitled to the alien secret.
3 Noah drugging her was awful but they told her abt the drug. Him being an alien doesn't make the crime more awful, it's despicable on it's own. Regardless of the species, someone who drugged her coulda used her body in diff awful ways. The gang told her/helped her w/ the crime. Why did she resent Liz for not spilling the pod secret (that's not hers btw) when it's not even the main issue behind that? The point is, I have seen hate but never related to skin color. Is this just a twitter thing?
On Tumblr, I haven’t seen that many posts (I avoid most tags tho, and have a lot of stuff blacklisted). I’ve also seen comments on IG, and definitely some gross things on Twitter (in one or two instances Heather was even tagged).
I’ve also seen some posts or tweets where people complained about racism aimed at Maria, while calling Tyler/Alex white, with additional homophobic remarks about Malex on top. A lot criticism of Maria’s actions (which the writers are to blame for, which is also frequently pointed out)  also tend to be labeled as racist, same goes for people who say they don’t like the character (anymore).
So yeah, there’s definitely some ugly stuff out there.
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scorpiozun · 4 years
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im going to need ppl to understand misogyny in writing or at least be able to separate when a character is a victim of mysogynistic writing or just racist writing
like ppl will be like “hey i dont like korra falling into racist tropes and then there being 3 seasons of mental/physical abuse to ‘humble’ her, (that puts her in a wheel chair) to which later she literally even says in her own words her experiences ‘humbled’ her” and fans will be like “i think korras character writing is amazing maybe ur just a mysogynist 🙄”
idk who hasnt told you this having your main character be an indigenous lgbt woman and torturing her mentally/physically on diff occasions across 3 seasons as a way to humble her character since ppl didnt like how “aggressive and selfish” she was in season 1 .... is not good character development its just racist, homophobic, and all around bad writing (even on the level of implying that trauma is a highway to personal growth and that its the purpose of her trauma to make her a better person)
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Can you please rant about jk Rowling she’s fucking awful with her queerbaiting, racism, and transphobia. Like I need someone else to validate me for not liking her
absolutely i hate her!!!!! this is a REALLY long post but she’s written so much and she’s been in the spotlight since her books got famous so like… there’s a lot to talk about i guess. anyway @ jk rowling get ready to be called out 
racism
first of all on this valid bitch of an i hate jk rowling post, the ilvermorny houses. it’s like…. Big cultural appropriation of native american ideas and stories, twisting them to fit her narrative for harry potter and completely disrespecting their history and origins. the history she creates for north american wizards is shit too, saying that native americans would “primitively” practice magic until europeans civilized them with wands (even tho…. it’s like really impressive to do magic without wands in her universe??? like sounds like the native americans were way ahead of europeans, but ofc she twists her own narrative to make the natives primitive). her whole history or north american wizardry also apparently just follows white wizards immigrating to north america and shit…… 
this video is……. a really good poem on the stereotypes and fetishization of cho chang and there’s no way i can reword what the speaker says bc she says it too good so,,, watch it
jk rowling is also really good at speaking out about racism when she wants to on twitter and yet all of her canonical poc characters in the books are background characters. i know hermione is black in the cursed child play, but that feels a bit like the dumbledore thing to me, like they never actually talk abotu it in the books? and if she wanted hermione to be black why didn’t she have any protests about emma watson being cast? if she wanted harry to be brown why didn’t she have any protests about daniel radcliffe being cast? i don’t know if she had any say in that, but i guess she had a say in insisting that the actors had to be british, so if she cared about making a main character poc, why did she not have any qualms about the cast, even in retrospect, even respectful ones like “i love daniel and emma to death but in retrospect i wrote them as characters of color”?
like she didn’t have to push dean and cho and the very small characters of color to the side but she did. she didn’t have to stereotype cho but she did. there are no poc in fbawtft, or there aren’t in the movie at least – and if she’s so happy about johnny depp and can speak out about that relentlessly, but she wanted there to be characters of color in fantastic beasts, why can’t she speak out about that? 
like the cultural appropriation is enough to see that she’s clearly a racist asshole who doesn’t care about the cultures of people who aren’t white, but it’s also clear to see in the background of her writing that she doesn’t care about research for shit if it’ll help to respect people of color in her stories, and she certainly doesn’t care to ensure that there are important characters of color for people to look up to when they read her books or watch the movies about them 
transphobia 
i guess she liked a terf’s article on twitter? like i dont’ knwo how reputable my sources on that were or if she meant to, but if she did, yikes
and from what i saw of the article it was Deep Terf Rhetoric, and tbqh i wouldn’t put it past her to have meant to have done that
i’ve seen ppl saying harry potter has transphobic aspects to it as well but i couldn’t find anything under all the times she’s “defended” trans ppl on twitter like idk i can’t take anythign she says on twitter by heart bc everything she does feels performative and fake af, and i haven’t read the books in like four years so i can’t say for sure based on my own memory 
also she wrote a trans woman in a more recent novel and she’s apparently totally impulsively violent like wow great way to conform to nasty stereotypes about trans women lmfao
like esp bc of this i wouldn’t put it past her to be a terf
homophobia & queerbaiting
saying! dumbledore! is gay! after! the fucking! book series! is not! representation!!!!!
even if she HAD make him gay during the series, he’s not good rep??? he was a manipulative asshole who let a child stay in an abusive home becuase he was too big of a dumbass to think about a way around the issue so that a little boy could live in a home full of people who treated him fairly. so uhh?? the cishets can fucking have him, i don’t WANT him in the goddamn community. 
but she thinks that she’s not homophobic bc he’s the only gay character who never even got to talk about being gay, who we never see in a relationship with a man. like throwing gay ppl scraps isn’t?? rep??? it’s queerbaiting you dumb bitch @ jk rowling…. 
she specifically said herself that werewolves are meant to represent diseases like AIDS, and characters like fenrir greyback are predatory werewolves who want tos pread around the AIDS-like disease, conforming to 1980s homophobic stereotypes against gay people for “wanting” to spread around AIDS like how can you in one breath say you want to bring light to diseases like AIDS and in the next make a character who literally models homophobic stereotypes with the same disease?? 
also, remus was supposed to be gay apparently, but he “changed and fell in love with tonks” like ok first of all bi people exist, second of all why would you write a straight person who’s supposed to basically have AIDS when that sounds a hell of a lot like “predatory gay man infects poor straight kid” like there’s SO MUCH wrong with that, and yeah you kind of have to dig into it a little bit to get there, but when you’re writing about risky topics and you literally admit to it, you need to be WELL-VERSED on what you’re writing about!! and to say you’re writing about AIDS is deeply mixed with gay history! and to say that the main character who is a werewolf was SUPPOSED to be gay and then pretend you’re NOT associating it with gay people is just… such cognitive dissonance, or maybe really ridiculous ignorance
also, dumbledore is dead. so even if he was good rep, and it was within the books, he’s fucking dead. another buried gay, fuckos! pile em up! 
and i’ve heard there’s a shit ton of queerbaiting between harry’s son and draco’s son in cursed child? which like…. may just be subtext, but there’s a huge section of the fandom who’s all about harry x draco (i have not good feelings about that ship personally but to say it’s not popular is to never have seen anything in the fandom), and she must know that? like she’s not oblivious is she? so why would she like…. put subject between their sons? ?? it feels like it’s a bone to “hey i never gave you harry x draco, so here are their sons, who i’m also never going to give you” 
also? if grindelwald WAS dumbledore’s bf at some point, what does that say about what she thinks about queer men? he’s deeply predatory and preys on credence in a very creepy way that plays on stereotypes about older gay men preying on younger gay boys, and he’s also a disgusting villain played by johnny fucking depp, an abuser (who SHE SUPPORTS) of all people. what does that say about what her mind goes to when she thinks about gay men????? 
i don’t actually know her role in those films, but she has said she loves depp, what he’s done with the character, and where the darkness of grindelwald is going in the first movie and its sequels, so even if her role is very little, she supports what is being done. 
also…. um apparently newt scamander created a werewolf registry…. a little honest to god werewolf registry in the fucking 40s….. ??????????? what r we supposed to think here, about a registry of discriminated ppl in the FORTIES…….????? and that’s the protag of fantastic beasts… cool it’s fine it’s fine
ableism
when talking about irredeemable characters like voldemort, she literally said that “whether it’s a personality disorder or illness” they’re not redeemable…. !!!?? here is a post on that subject with links to the sources of the interviews she said this in. 
i don’t know where to put this bc this could be any number of things but i just thought about this so i’ll put it here: the thing that’s created in fantastic beasts, where it’s like basically a personification of anguish from suppressing magic – that’s quite blatantly a reference to any number of minorities, like gay people suppressing their sexuality, trans people suppressing their gender, the mentally ill and disabled pushing themselves too hard or trying to ignore/hide it… and credence was vilified and killed and the protags weren’t even… really sad about it?? and the ministry of magic never really THOUGHT About that they just killed him….. and that’s okay…. that’s fine… they’re just going around killing a bunch of KIDS who are inconvenient to them and who basically symbolize a whole number of oppressed groups. cool, it’s fine
you could also make a point that werewolves also represent the mentally ill, and all the same fucked up shit basically applies here
she also said that everything that muggles can get can be cured by magic, thereby effectively giving some bullshit reason for not actually having any disabled or mentally ill characters, also assuming that it’s not totally ableist to just…. “cure” all that? she didn’t say it specifically about mental illnesses and disabilities, but it’s clear to see that with her attitude on “irredeemable” mentally ill people, she would 
fatphobia
most fat characters in harry potter are shitty people. the dursleys, pettigrew, and umbridge – all characters we’re supposed to find deeply wrong, the ones we’re supposed to hate the most other than, like, voldemort. like…..? a lot of the other fat characters are all “matronly” like molly weasley or stubborn and “lazy” like cornelius fudge who allowed voldemort to rise to power. like what’s that supposed to say about what she thinks the extent of fat people is? stubborn, evil, or motherly? 
she actually has a character grow fatter and fatter based on how shitty she acts towards harry because of a magic mishap. she also usually describes the nice fat people as “plump” and “pleasant,” while she describes dudley as “so much like a pig” that he couldn’t even be turned furhter into a pig when it was attempted, or as a “killer whale,” or vernon dursley as “having no neck”
her fascination with abusers
exhibit a: she loves johnny depp, she loves him for the part of grindelwald, she praises what he’s done for the character, she praises his casting. he’s abused his wife..................
exhibit b: she loves dumbledore. he is constantly manipulating harry and not actually helping him get out of difficult situations at home or at school, putting him and the other kids in danger multiple times, not talking about important information to keep them safe, like?? 
exhibit c: snape. a fucking nasty ass creep to lily. neville’s GREATEST FEAR. like i dont’ even need to talk about this, we all know snape, dumbledore, and johnny depp are shitty lmfao
and yet she named harry’s kids after dumbledore and snape, like they didn’t fuck harry’s life up, especially snape, who terrorized him and his friends. 
in conclusion fuckos
she’s nasty!!!!! i was going to do a section on sexism but i can’t find anything – i think she’s too much of a White Feminist to be sexist, probably. likely she cares more about researching feminist issues than she does about researching native myths before she steals them for her own gain lmfao. there is the fact that she supports an abuser like johnny depp, tho! 
she is constantly like… going against all this on twitter too lmfao, like it’s hard to find good articles on her shittiness on the first page of google bc most of it is “jk rowling defends trans people against transphobic tweet, jk rowling defends muslims against islamophobic tweet, jk rowling defends [this group or that group]” and yet she includes so much bigotry hidden in the details of her books and what she says about her books. like i know some of this isn’t quite on the surface, but ultimately when you write a book with subjects you don’t really know about, your inherent biases are going to be apparent under the surface, and since she’s such a famous author with so many books and so much spotlight on her, if you dig in a little you can make easy conclusions/clearly see what she thinsk about minorities. so it’s really fucking annoying that she’s so “good and progressive” on twitter because it’s obviously performative so she can get the progressive points required for more people to buy her shit. like that’s the best word i can think of to describe her: performative. 
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bellblakes · 7 years
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@hiddenpolkadots
lmao you think you're really important, don't you? i wasn't aware of your existence until your post was sent to me
maybe you should start caring about poc and bi issues when they affect other real poc and bisexuals, instead of throwing us under the bus to protect your shitty straight otp
oh my godddddd are you really this stupid or are you just pretending? costia died for loving the commander, who is a girl. lexa died immediatelly after having sex with a girl, with a bullet that was meant for her, because her father figure didn't approve their relationship and clarke's influence on her. the implication is there. lmao the lexa/clarke/titus storyline was word for word an analogy for homophobic parent against their child's relationship. what's next? are you gonna tell me wells and lincoln didn't die because they were black? that raven isn't tortured because she's a brown latina? that indra isn't portrayed as an angry savage because she's black? you're backing up jrot's pathetic excuse that his show can't be racist and homophobic, because in his world racism and homophobia don't exist. fiction doesn't exist in a fucking vacuum. racism and homophobia exist in real life, and that manifests in the writing
clexa is a racist mess to whom, exactly? both are white. the narrative treats them as equals. wtf do you mean lexa never apologized? "i'm sorry. i never meant to turn you into this" - lexa, season 3, episode 3. clarke tried to kill lexa once, because they were on opposite sides of a war and lexa betrayed her. clarke told bellamy, supposedly her friend, that his life is expendable and sent him on a suicide mission, and shot at him. i'm convinced y'all snort coke before watching every episode
you say you're not homophobic but you're claiming that a straight ship has the same social significance of a wlw ship lmao. do you realize that young lesbians and bi girls NEEDED clexa to survive, and feel loved and accepted? that to us this is more than a ship, it was a lifeline? that clexa taught us that our love isn't wrong, and that we deserve better? fuck you
bellamy is an asian main without clarke. i don't see what bellarke has to do with this? are you saying that he has no value without her?
y'all care so much about raven, but ship her with wick the abusive white man played by a racist, homophobic actor, jasper the teenage boy, roan the man twice her age, murphy the man who disabled her, luna the woman she barely knows, echo the woman y'all hate, and a character who doesn't even exist yet. you'll ship her with a fucking rock before shipping her with bellamy, the only person who loves her the way she deserves to be loved. neither bellarke or braven is canon, but braven kissed and had sex, and they have a mutually supportive, respectful friendship, which is more than bellarke will ever have
lmao you're using racism to cover up your homophobia again. bellarke is a straight ship that the cast has every right to hate because they don't owe y'all shit. wlw are demonized all the time, and all the supergirl cast had to do was respect them and validate their feelings. it really is that simple
clarke will never stop loving lexa, her soulmate. if you really wanna go that route, bellamy and clarke knew each other for less than a year, and have been separated for six years. their relationship is non-existent. bellamy is focusing on his friends and possibly new love interest, and clarke is focusing on her daughter
i will take a straight girl who validates us and did her best to make us feel better, over homophobic bellarkes, any day. eliza hates your straight ship and protects her wlw fans, and you can't stand it. bellamy and clarke are the main characters and eliza loves their friendship, but that doesn’t mean they should be together. "i think that it’s something that people saw in the show that we didn’t necessarily write" - eliza taylor, 2015. “we wanted to think outside the box” - eliza taylor, 2015. booed for talking about bellamy? you mean when bellarkes call her a drunk fat bitch, accuse her of not knowing her own character, and send her death threats because she loves lexa and supports clexa?
it doesn't have anything to do with lexa, really? i guess i imagined bellarkes celebrating lexa's death and making jokes about it. i guess i imagined bellarkes calling lexa an abusive rapist. i guess i imagined bellarkes demonizing the lesbian. yeah, i'm bi and i know the meaning of bisexuality, unlike bellarkes, who think that clarke needs to be with a man to be a valid bisexual. you invalidate her feelings for lexa. you want her to be straight. that's biphobia. here’s a post that my friend wrote, explaining why bellarke is racist towards bellamy. bellarke is racist towards raven because you see her, the disabled brown latina, as not good enough for bellamy
lmao the show wants you to ship clexa, and the fact that so many ppl invalidate it and choose to believe that clarke’s in love with a man, means that there’s something VERY wrong. you see lesbians in real life as evil and predatory, so you hate the lesbian character. you see latinas as undesirable, so you hate the latina character
it’s amazing the nerve you have to call clexa a 2-week romance, when they spent more time together than bellamy and clarke
bellarke is inherently homophobic and racist
lmao @ "dreadlocks" you don't get to pick and choose when clarke is a racist white savior, and when she's important bi rep. her bisexuality doesn’t override her whiteness. she's still a racist white savior when she's with bellamy, dumbass
i mean, clexa are actually best friends, they got four kisses, two love declarations, had sex and a scene in bed. all you have is bellamy wiping sweat off clarke's face. if i were you, i'd be bitter too
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Hey it me, the Finnpoe vs. Finnrey anon. Basically yeah, what's your preference, which one do you think is more likely to happen, and what do you think about the fans for each ship? (Thanks in advance, you're amazing.)
Preference:
I prefer Finnpoe. I think theres two reasons for my preference. The first is that I find Poe, with his very limited screen-time, to be more compelling than Rey. When I was finished watching TFA, I wasn’t just thinking about how much I loved Finn but also about how much Rey annoyed me. Quite a bit of other people have spoken about this but the thing is Rey isn’t much of a protagonist. Things happen to Rey and she reacts. Finn makes active choices. Poe makes active choices. Rey does not. Also… Rey is literally the most typical special brunette white woman heroine and belongs in the same class as Bella from Twilight and Katniss from The Hunger Games. Even with his 8 minutes of screen-time I learn so much about Poe and realize how much more I like him as a character. The second reason is that I don’t find it groundbreaking or very interesting to have a Black man paired with a White woman. BM/WW seems to be the most common racial pairing & it always comes w/really uncomfortable implications. I promise you as a Black woman myself I couldn’t give two fucks about some BM/WW couples I see on the street, but that doesn’t stop them from sneering at me or from their nasty misogynoiristic comments online. White women are always stealing the aesthetics of Black women and getting praised for it and Black men are routinely inflicting emotional/verbal/physical violence on Black women FOR the benefit white women. Twitter will give you all the evidence you need of this. Of course I don’t want to see this type of pairing reflected to me on screen when almost every experience I have with it is hurtful.
Which is more likely to happen:
Finnrey. I think the easiest answer is just that finnrey is heterosexual and finnpoe is not. But seeing as both finnrey and finnpoe include Finn, who is Black, none of them might occur because romances that involve POC (especially black ppl) are usually sidelined and suddenly it’s: “We don’t want X (POC character) to be in a relationship. They can be great without a relationship,” every racist in a 100 mile vicinity cries! ugh.
Finnpoe fans vs. Finnrey fans:
The short answer is that both finnpoe and finnrey fans have their problems but finnpoe fans are worse. Both fans (especially nonBlack ones) have a long and continued history of sidelining Finn in favor of either Poe or Rey. Finnpoe fans TO THIS DAY write really racist fic about the pair. At the very least I’d say finnrey fans at least try to call each other out and fix their issues while a big majority of finnpoe shippers just wanna stay as racist as possible. It’s literally sick and it’s the main reason I stay the hell away from most of them. I usually stick to other fans of color when it comes to finnpoe. With the tireless work of a lot of Black women - finnrey fans are always improving so that they don’t allow Finn to be marginalized BUT some people have taken advantage of this and assume just because there is progress - there is no problem. I made two posts - one where I talked about an antiblack thing finnpoe fans do and one where I talked about both finnrey & finnpoe problems. The finnrey folks had two reactions, either it was: “oh really this happens… but not that much” or “but finnpoe fans are worse” while the finnpoe fans either wrote really disgusting things in the tags or they came into my inbox to call me homophobic. I wish more finnrey fans would stop acting like they’re so great just because finnpoe fans are more straightforward with their racism - y’all still draw finn standing behind rey consistently - y’all still do things that sideline finn and you shouldn’t want to be stagnant just because you’re a bit better than these other folks. As for finnpoe fans… I’m actually about to do something about this problem that’s been going on. This whole “Finn is exclusively a top because he’s a black man. Finn is a BAMF (aka he’s 6′5″ and taking care of Poe). Finn is a mandingo. Let’s hear all about Poe’s trauma exclusively over the young man who literally was enslaved under a regime most of his life. Let’s fetishize Poe and make him say “oh amor i love getting fucked, I’ve fucked everyone in the galaxy””. Finnpoe fans who create this type of racist content piss me off but I’m actually going to do something about it very soon. I guess look out for it.
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