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leounderthemoon · 2 months
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A rant and theory
It’s really long, but I think I make some valid points.
Supernatural was on for 15 years. There have been interactions with the cast, some crew, some producers, directors, writers, etc. due to the ongoing conventions and the existence of social media. Writers will talk about changes to scripts, actors will talk about filming, directors will talk about why they chose a certain angle.
Given that most of the fans/stans do not personally know any of the people involved or personally know anything about the things that are/aren’t going on, it’s weird the way some fans/stans speak so confidently about what happened with SPN behind-the-scenes, production, writing, casting, you name it! 
Especially when it comes to PrequelGate. People will state with their whole chest, that their version of events is absolutely correct. One J is an asshole, and one J is an innocent baby. Which J is which depends on who is talking. It can be either or both. The only thing that all fans who have theories have in common is that there is a definite good guy and a bad guy.
But the Js are still friends. They say they got over it and forgave. Since no one has given any details, I thought I’d join the bandwagon and come up with a theory of my own. One where there is no good guy/bad guy. So here goes.
I fully believe that the story of The Winchesters was not meant to be an AU. It was supposed to take place between 15.19 and 15.20, with Dean and Sam finding out about their parents.  They had to switch it to the AU version because of the leak, a new timetable, and the fact that Jared was no longer available. There is also a recent podcast (I don't have a link) where a writer from The Winchesters said that Robbie Thompson, the writer and show runner for The Winchesters, kind of knew that they were only going to get 1 season because of all the mergers/sales of the networks and studios.
Robbie Thompson said in an interview (https://tvline.com/news/the-winchesters-recap-season-1-finale-dean-heaven-multiverse-jensen-ackles-1234942742/)  “There was the spot that takes place in between Episodes 19 and 20, when what happens to Dean happens to Dean… So there was an opportunity to tell stories there, but that just didn’t work for me because we wouldn’t have access to Sam in that way, in a way that we could easily explain or at least emotionally explain, and that just didn’t feel like it was a story that certainly I wanted to tell and none of us did.” (Underlining mine) They wouldn’t have access to Sam because Jared could not be involved. Not because no one wanted him, but because he just couldn’t.
The reason I believe this is because of the following.
It starts with Virtual Con (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADYwrZ787a0) held in March 2021. In the video, the question about Chaos Machine projects starts at around 23 minutes. Watch Jared’s face throughout Jensen’s whole answer. He’s nodding along, looking at his screen, and not even showing the slightest surprise in what Jensen is saying. He doesn’t because he already knows. To me, that is the face of someone who already knows what the other person is talking about. Jared already knows which projects Jensen is working on. He knows which alum he is talking about. So he just sits there and lets Jensen answer.  His quip at the end that he will also be acting in it is just that, a quip for the fans.  Because (supposedly) he is bound by a 5-year contract to CBS. He can not legally get involved in Jensen’s project with WB. He can acknowledge that he knows about it, but he has to show that he is absolutely not involved. 
Next is the announcement of The Winchesters in June 2021 by Deadline. There were tweets by Jared that said he was upset that he didn’t know about it and that he wasn’t involved. There was also a tweet directed at Robbie Thompson calling him a back stabber that was later deleted. And, silence from Jensen, because he was unable to come online and address anything because he was on set in Canada. 
Things were set in motion that were not meant to be put in motion for a while. I don’t think Chaos Machine was ready to start casting/filming yet. I think Jensen and Jared were trying to make it work with CBS so that Jared could be involved in the prequel. But those talks weren’t finished, or possibly even started yet. But the leak by Deadline, the WB/Discovery merger, and Mark Pedowitz leaving, combined to put pressure to do the show sooner, while Pedowitz was still in charge. If they waited, then nothing might come of Chaos Machine’s deal with WB once the new owners came in. Maybe they were waiting for Jensen to finish shooting The Boys to get together and talk about all this, but they still hadn't.
And this is what Jared was upset about. He thought there was time before the show would start, so was surprised that it was announced without him knowing. It also explains why he thought Robbie Thompson back-stabbed him. Because he was going to be a part of this show, and now he couldn’t. He couldn’t even say he had been part of the development from the beginning because it would be against his contract with CBS. He can’t even say wants to be a part of it now, because again, it would be against his contract with CBS. He’s upset, because he hasn’t had any communication from Jensen about this going through, and Jensen was also unreachable. So he vented online a little.
Once this narrative that Jared was never involved, and would not appear in it, spread, all of them had to run with it. Jensen apologized for not telling Jared. He said he was superstitious. He wanted to tell Jared, but he didn’t have his phone. That he was on set. That Jared couldn’t participate because he was busy. Etc. etc.
But, when Jared spoke with Jensen, and was (possibly) made aware that the news came out because it was leaked, and that they didn’t have time to clue Jared in, and (possibly) they were thinking of doing the show sooner because of WB, Pedowitz, Zaslav, etc., and that they were still in a holding phase, Jared forgave Jensen.
All of the above explains the inconsistencies and “lies” and “tantrums” and finally the forgiveness, and moving on. 
I choose to believe that neither Jared nor Jensen are entitled assholes. They do not owe the fans any BTS details.
I’m sure people can tear this apart, but their theories don’t hold up either. 
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casmybelovedass · 2 years
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it's giving nickelodeon
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laf-outloud · 4 months
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Jensen DID give a sincere apology to Jared which he’s shared in a few small group settings. He also gave an expansion of “why” what happened happened according to Jensen. We need to stop acting like because we didn’t see it things didn’t happen. As early as 2021 Jared told fans that: Jensen apologised, and the show was never meant to contain either brother, but the cw said it’s at least one or they will not sign off.
I love how ALL of this info comes from Jensen. And he has shown himself to be a liar over and over again so we should trust him why??
So he shared in M&G's that he apologized? Cool, so only ppl who pay hundreds of dollars to sit with him for half an hour get to know how sincere he was (in HIS words)??
Ofc Jared is going to say he apologized (and I hope he actually did). We've watched Jared cover Jensen's ass time and again when he publicly messes up. Hell, he even does it during panels when things start to get away from Jensen. It's part of why his panels with anyone other than Jared tend to be disasters where he inevitably puts his foot in his mouth.
And again, the "neither brother was supposed to be in TW but the CW said they wouldn't greenlight the show without one of them" is from who exactly? Oh right, Jensen again. (also, I think anon meant WB because that's who greenlit it, not the CW but I just went with what they said). You think after the fallout from TW he was going to be like "yea, I was always supposed to be in it, just me. We never planned to have Jared/Sam on"?? OFC he wouldn't! The safest thing for him to say was that he wasn't supposed to be in it, it covers his own ass. Although that still doesn't actually work in his favor if he bothered to really think about what he was saying. So WB wouldn't greenlight it without one of the brothers being in it? Then that means that Jensen knew as soon as the show was approved that he would be in it (actually he would have known before it was even greenlit if they made that a caveat). That still means that he knew for MONTHS and didn't tell Jared. It means he went to work every day with Jared for those last two eps and watched Jared cry every day because he was upset it was ending while he sat on the news that it wasn't ending for him or Dean.
And like @laf-outloud said - even if he privately apologized to Jared (I realllly hope he actually did), he still was a jackass to half the fandom. He told us that we weren't really fans of SPN if we didn't like TW. He told us to "hate watch" TW because it was still viewers/ratings for him. He called people who didn't like TW or questioned it "holes in his net". These were all things he said AT A CON TO FANS DIRECTLY. He figuratively told half the fandom to F*ck Off by completely ignoring and excluding half of the brothers and telling the fans of the person left out basically 'too bad, so sad, watch anyways so I look good'.
Literally none of his explanation or lies about what happened make what he did sound any better. Ya know what would? A simple apology.
According to the same anon, apparently it was Jared who said Jensen offered a sincere apology and it was Jared who said the network required one of the brothers. Now, whether that information about the network requirement came to Jared from Jensen or the network, we don't know.
As to the rest of it, absolutely! Jensen and Jared could still be the bestest of friends, but that doesn't excuse how Jensen treated the rest of the fandom.
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littlegaycubeoftofu · 2 years
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Just to reassure people: the prequel won't ruin Supernatural, because Supernatural already ruined Supernatural.
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hookslinesandsinkers · 4 months
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LMFAOOOO Still laughing my ass off at hellers. The gall of them thinking Jared owes an apology. Now, can you imagine if Jared had done to Jensen what he did? They'd still be wanting Jared's head. Because how dare anyone betray Jensen, right? But this way, Jared is supposed to APOLOGIZE for not being told, having a reaction. Can you believe the nerve of these people??? Here they've been throwing tantrums for 3 years now demanding the ending be fixed and they think Jared should apologize??? APOLOGIZE????? That's how they're spinning it now. This fandom in a nutshell.
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bedlund · 2 years
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confession. casbaiting. finale. tapes. walker. prequel. straight misha. riverdale cancelled. yassified johnmary. it’s all connected wake up sheeple
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anti-blog · 1 year
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@neecy83
@anti-blog Yeah I do think there's distance. Even recent con photos show it. You don't usually see them even standing next to each other lol
Right? You don’t see them sitting cuddled up together on stage like they used to.  They don’t really hang out alone anymore.  They always have extra people with them now and all I see are pics of Jared chatting with other people with Jensen in the background.  
They’re work friends but there’s no way they’re still close the way they used to be.  I can’t even imagine how you could maintain that kind of open friendship with someone who publicly stabbed you in the back and then tried to pretend it didn’t happen.
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melencolia-maniac · 1 year
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Did Supernatural make me cry for the first time in TEN years??
This show is actually good folks
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walkingtalkinggone · 2 years
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Jared talking about his and Jensen’s relationship after the prequel debacle…
“If you are in a relationship with somebody”
Could this sound any more like a married couple working through their rough patch? 🥺 Blows my mind that people still try and push the narrative that these two aren’t on good terms. They love each other so much.
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shivroyslut · 2 years
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as an avid johnazazel shipper, i must say this prequel trailer has tremendously disappointed me.
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casmybelovedass · 2 years
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Yes you fucking idiot
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laf-outloud · 4 months
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Might be a cultural thing but I saw the drinking comment thing as almost in defence of Jared. Like yeah he lashed out (in Jensens head not mine - I thought his response was more then understandable) but he was justifying it to Rosenbaum by being like “but he’d been drinking, it’s not like he’s an asshole.” But then again this was all Americans who I think have a far more conservative attitude to drink. Where I’m from “he was drunk” is something you’d say in your friends defense of bad behaviour
Maybe amongst friends, in a small circle it's okay to explain away bad behavior, but J2 are both very public individuals, and Jared's had a very public arrest while intoxicated (which Jensen is fully aware of). Jensen saying Jared had a few drinks implies that Jared was drunk and hasn't improved, even though Jared has shared that he's worked to limit his alcohol consumption. (Not to mention, Jared was also planning on live-tweeting that night's Walker episode, which, as a professional, he wouldn't do while drunk.)
If Jared did have more alcohol, I'm guessing it would have been brought about specifically by Jensen's actions, because a betrayal is not something someone deals with on a normal basis.
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jeanne-de-valois · 2 years
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CASBAIT THE SEQUEL
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hookslinesandsinkers · 6 months
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How the heck could Jared sue Jensen lol? Shitty or no, what Jensen did was not suable
Think about it. Why did Jensen have to clear it with Jared? Remember Kripke's deleted "he's busy Texas rangering?" Jensen was supposed to tell him. I think he has grounds to sue if he wanted to.
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trials-era-sam · 2 years
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shhh that was just a nightmare go back to sleep
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anti-blog · 1 year
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The Ides of March… a story all about stabbing someone in the back.
I know two of those stories. Which isn’t a lot but still.
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