#pro vs anti

[silverdragon128]

I don’t want any trouble, I really don’t. But I feel like I need to say this, need to make something clear. A lot of people have talked about how anti-shippers aren’t any safer than pro-shippers, and that anti culture can actually act as a shield for offenders. Well… just over a year ago I was raped. And, amongst other things, the woman who raped me was an anti-shipper. She had assaulted her boyfriend in high school, and immediately ran to morally “pure” groups in order to hide from that side of herself. She rejected everything she felt, refusing to admit it to therapists, refusing to channel it healthily. She couldn’t have done that, she couldn’t be like that. *She was good!* Or at least, that’s what she told herself. One day we met up irl, and she snapped. She’d been into me for years— the boy she assaulted in high school she’d done so because she’d grafted *me* onto him. She’d let the thoughts worm into her brain, and when she got the chance… she… she took everything she wanted from me. And then she went back to hiding behind the “moral purity”. Hid from herself, hid from consequences. The person who finally helped me, then, was a pro-shipper. She was the first one to hear my story and believe it. The one to get me away from this creep. She stood up for me when no one else would… So whenever I hear pro vs anti talk this is immediately what I think of. And yeah, they’re just individuals. It’s just two people. But it’s worth noting that they were, very openly, on their respective sides of the fence. And that being an anti-shipper helped protect my rapist.

As I said, I don’t want trouble. I will block anyone who questions my experience or defends my rapist. That’s the last thing I need right now. I just wanted to put this out there because maybe some people need to know my story. Idk, I hope this opens someone’s eyes

#tw rap3 #pro vs anti #proshipper safe #proship #antiship #god this is dangerous

[chaotic-average-child]

For the record toxic/abusive ships aren't pro shipping in my opinion, but pedo/incest ships are.

Toxic ships are questionable at times but if I have people saying April x Donnie 2012 is as bad as TCEST and 2012 leorai there's a problem 💀

I'm just saying it now THIS UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE INCLUDE INCEST AND PEDO THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY PRO

Tbh I think pro shippers use the abuse thing to pretend like anyone with a functioning brain legitimately includes abuse/toxic ships in pro shipping.

Like I've seen so many posts like this that say the basic "toxic/abusive ships are fine especially for story reasons" only to say in the notes that they include pedo ships in that.

It feels like propaganda imo since they start off with the whole "easy to agree part" to ease people in then slowly start including more out there stuff.

It's not chronically online to say shipping all might x deku is fucking weird guys.

Fetishizing toxic relationships is its own can of worms imo but I genuinely think it should be classified differently from pro shipping because toxic relationship can be anywhere from hyda x aggrestuko, bkdk to fucking killing stalking.

Anyway if ur an incest/pedo shipper get off.

I just wanted to clarify my personal description of pro shippers in my dni.

Oh and by the way self cest isn't incest unless they specifically have a sibling relationship ie (dream and nightmare sans) but that's a whole other thing

#pro vs anti #shipping discourse #anti ship

[biceratops7]

Full disclosure,

I really hate the word “Proshipper” because when someone claims it I legit can’t tell if they see the value of problematic themes in media, or if they’re a closet p*do (aka I “think relationships between 14 and 20 year olds should be shown on screen for reasons”). Those things should definitely fucking not be under the same label.

Like seriously when tf did we collectively decide that you can either think every thing under the sun is worth representing in any light and all censorship is bad, or that everything anyone may possibly deem problematic must be censored? How tf did we make one of the most grey area, individualized dilemmas into binary internet teams??

#proshipper #antishipper #pro vs anti #proship #antiship #anti #antis #censorship #fandom #fandom discourse #ofmd #spn #good omens #sam and max #idk just tagging my fandoms #biceratops

[otherfireangel]

the most terminally online shit is when people refuse to differentiate between “people who think bad things are okay” and “people who aren’t virtue policing” (both labeled proshippers) and “people who think bad things are not okay” and “people who doxx authors whose work they didn’t like” (both labeled antis)

those are *four* categories, not *two*.

call pedophiles what they are. call pedo apologists what they are. do not call people who don’t want to police others what they aren’t.

call harassment what it is. call doxxing what it is. call out the perpetrators. do not call people who think incest is gross what they aren’t.

and before anyone calls me pro or anti, or tries to send anon hate: please engage your critical thinking skills and don’t do that.

#shipping #pro vs anti #discourse #the disc horse #addendum: you will not change my rating on the suicidal ideation scale by yelling at me in my inbox

[littlebabytimmybird]

I'm not antiship bc I think people should be able to say whatever the fuck they want in their own spaces but that being said, my blog is not that space, I dislike proship and find it very gross, I do not like people who are proship. So, Proshippers dni.

#pro vs anti #shipping

[garnet-xx-rose]

Yes, I’ve done the work analyzing this relationship’s problematic traits and I’ve come to the educated conclusion that I still want them to fuck

#Erik/Christine #phantom of the opera #shipping discourse #Entrapdak #poto #my experience with Entrapdak fits this too #I’ve done the reflecting #looked at the pro vs anti sides like a good academic student #and my conclusion is that they still have the stronger connection #therefore I’m going to enjoy indulging in them sucking and fucking unapologetically #you can not tell me otherwise

[prolife-is-prolie]

I celebrated Roe V Wade being overturned. I am now being investigated for having a miscarriage.

"The happiest moment in my life was when I said "I do" to my husband seven years ago. My second happiest moment was at the Supreme Court building on June 24, 2022. Seeing an endless sea of happy, cheerful faces, the champagne bottles being popped open, watching as bubbles floated on by, the feeling was electric! Babies were going to be saved!

And then a year later, on June 24, 2023, the third happiest moment in my life occurred. The two faint lines revealed themselves on the pregnancy test. I was pregnant! Finally! After years of hoping, praying, and multiple IVF treatments, I was finally pregnant! Life was perfect. My husband took me out to dinner and he never left my side the whole night. He came home from work one day with a giant book of baby names. It didn't take us long to decide: Ophelia if it was a girl, and Benson if it was a boy.

I thanked the Lord for gifting me with a happy marriage and a baby that I prayed so much for. But the Lord had other plans. August 23, 2023, my world came crashing down. I woke from a deep sleep and was overcome with painful cramps. I looked under the blanket and was horrified by what I saw: A huge puddle of red. I ran to the bathroom and sat on the toilet and I cried. I was having a miscarriage.

My husband woke up and noticed the puddle of blood. I've never seen him look so scared in my life. He hugged me while I sat and bled on the toilet. We then stripped down and got in the shower, where he held me, not caring about the blood running down my legs. I scheduled an emergency doctor's appointment for later in the day. The doctor confirmed our worst fear, I had a complete miscarriage. There wasn't anything more that could be done.

I sat on the table in that cold room while I waited for the doctor to come back with my paperwork. I was completely numb. I had no more tears left to cry. My husband stood by me and held my hand while we waited. And then we heard the knock on the door. We were expecting the doctor to enter. Instead, we were met with a couple of police officers.

My husband and I were escorted to the police station. It was there that we were informed that my miscarriage was deemed suspicious. The officers told us that due to the fact that we lived in a pro-life state, this was the new protocol. My husband and I were each taken to separate interview rooms, where we were questioned for six hours. I was asked a variety of questions:

What did I do the night before miscarrying?

Did I have a fall that could have caused the miscarriage?

Did I intentionally cause trauma to my abdomen to induce a miscarriage?

Did I take abortion pills?

Could my husband have slipped abortion pills into my drink?

At first, I tried to be understanding, but that quickly turned to anger. They were accusing my husband and me of purposefully killing our baby. I told the interviewer over and over that we wanted our baby and that we would do nothing to cause harm to our baby. After six hours, the questions let up. The interviewer left the room and I instantly broke down in tears again.

I cried for the baby I lost. I cried because my husband and I were being accused of killing our baby. I cried because I felt like nobody was listening to me. And I cried because this is what pro-choicers said would happen when Roe was overturned. Everything that they said would happen was happening.

Miscarriages were being investigated as murders. Children were being forced to give birth to their rapists' babies. Babies were being born and discarded in trash cans and dumpsters. And we have not done a damn thing about any of this. My husband and I were released, but not before being told that we weren't allowed to leave town due to the fact that we were being investigated.

I read articles about the women in Texas suing the state because of the anti-abortion laws. I read about the 13-year-old girl who gave birth to a baby she did not want. I read about the 11-year-old who had to flee her home state to get an abortion, only for the doctor who performed the abortion to get fined. I felt sick to my stomach reading these stories. And once again, my sorrow was replaced with anger.

I thought back to what I thought was one of the happiest moments of my life, Roe V Wade being overturned. In my mind, the happy smiles that I saw were suddenly replaced with evil snarls. The champagne that was popped was replaced with acid. The bubbles became heavy glass and they fell to the ground. My god, what have we done?

I forwarded the articles to my husband and I saw all color leave his face. The night after our interrogations, we ate dinner in silence. After knowing this man for 17 years and being married to him for seven of those years, he didn't need to talk for me to know what he was thinking. And I agreed with him:

Overturning Roe V Wade was a huge mistake."

-Constance, 37.

#pro life #pro chocie #roe v wade #roe vs. wade #abortion #anti abortion #my body my choice #fyp #fypシ

[balkanradfem]

Learning more about animals made me think about an interesting comparison on how we decide to reproduce, compared to how animals do it.

In the wild, animals will usually reproduce less, or simply survive less and thus do less populating, if the habitat isn't suitable for them, temperature is wrong, and if they don't have enough reliable food sources. Sometimes they will be able to adapt to a different habitat and temperature, like having their reproduction cycle delayed or done in a different time of year so that their young would survive, but if there's no food source, they'll reproduce in smaller numbers.

This is why sometimes animals will overpopulate the areas near humans, if they're able to access people's food storage, trashbags and pantries, it will give them a great, fulfilling source of food and thus an incentive to reproduce as much as they want to - after all, there's food for everyone.

But with humans, it's like we don't even pay attention to that. Or rather, our reproduction is governed by culture that isn't built around human needs and quality of life. We're taught that we need to reproduce, especially if we're women, because:

everyone else is doing it and it's the only normal thing to do

if we don't do it we're failing to contribute to future society

we're going to be an outcast if we don't do it

we're going to end up alone and unloved if we don't do it

there's a limited time frame in which we can do it, and if we don't we might regret it later

there's intense pressure all around us from our peers, relatives, family, cousins and others to do it, and they are all assuming we will and ask us why

if we don't we're contributing to extinction of the human species

we're supposed to want to do it

we're threatened of missing out on a fulfilled life if we don't do it

we're depicted as wasted potential if we don't do it

we're told it's what we exist for and it should be our only purpose to do it

And this fails to take into account absolutely everything that comes into being with creating human life. We aren't supposed to pay attention to the amount and quality of food that we have, to the state of the habitat all around us (if we can even access the information about it), the amount of energy, free time and willingness we have to nurture and raise a human child, or what kind of life this child can have in a world like this. It's almost like we're pushed to be more mindless than animals, reproducing simply because it's the thing that is done, rather than assessing the situation and making a reasonable call of whether someone should be living in a world in this state.

So whose idea was it to create a culture like this, who benefits from it? The answer is very simple, m*n. Just from looking at the culture they developed, it's obvious they don't care about the quality, length, or resources put into a new human's life, all they care about is producing as much offspring as possible, regardless of circumstances. All of the beliefs I've mentioned above, that are forced onto women, come from that simple-minded desire: let us multiply uncontrollably. That's also where the idea of taking away womens choices comes from; it makes it all male choice. They can decide for a woman, whether she'll have a child or not, giving them absolute control over human reproduction, while they clearly do not care what kind of society this builds or what are the consequences for the said children.

When this control is put into women's hands, all of these circumstances are taken into account. Quality of environment, available funds, food, energy, human influence, the amount of danger and threat to the child, the climate, the chance of that child having a safe and happy life, woman will be aware of all of this, because she is the one who will make sure that child stays alive and well. Fathers can ignore all of this because they know mothers will take on this labour on themselves if given no other options.

I've read recently, on how human lifespan increased so grandmothers would be able to take care of their grandchildren, giving the parents more time to work and care for themselves, and isn't it interesting? How only women were ever expected to do that. Every grandfather I've heard of was not only incapable of taking care of a child, but also incapable of taking care of himself, burdening his wife with his every need until his death. Often, they were also a danger to the children (not every single time, but often enough to be mentioned).

And we're stuck in the world where they're the ones making the calls to create more children endlessly, all while ignoring the circumstances of that child's life, and doing massive acts of violence, wars, terrorism, destruction and devastation of human life worldwide, ultimately killing both mothers and children.

It feels wrong on every level that anyone except women should have authority on human life, when to reproduce and in which circumstances. We have to endure devastating trauma and pain, intrusion in our own bodies and risk of death to make just one person. We evolved to live longer in order to take care of children, to create a better environment for them to live in, and we should let someone else make the call? It's insane.

Not only women should have the ultimate say in this, for the sake of quality of human life and the environment, but all of the culture surrounding reproduction should change. Making children in a world where we can't care for, feed and protect them isn't normal. Not paying attention to whether a creation of a child will only cause extra suffering to the child, is not how we create a future our children can live happily in. Males spreading their broken dna is not worth creating a human society that is built up on suffering, and will lead into more suffering.

#human reproduction #pro abortion #anti natalism #radical feminism #feminism #reproduction #humans vs animal reproduction

[fanfic-lover-girl]

#kataang #zutara #hinny #drarry #dramione #romione #fandom meme #canon shippers vs fanon shippers #pro zutara #wolfstar #some of the best content comes from fanon #i dont ship all these fanon couples but i have seen canon shippers complaining about them #should it tag this as anti? im not bashing the ships so it should be fine?

[throughstarlitfields]

The way your Azriel looks like Rhysand lol. Elriel girls love making Azriel look just like Rhysand 😂

Isn’t this coming from the same ship that likes to use daggers to symbolize their crackship? The way Gwynriel’s and Elucien’s love to see things that aren’t really there lol 😂 Rhysand has dark blue eyes, so blue they appear violet. He also doesn’t have burn scars on his hands. All the bat boys canonically wear fancy black clothes or strictly black clothes during casual or holiday events. This is a canon scene, and the clothes they are wearing are canon LMAO. Sorry not sorry but 95% of the commissions I have done are canon material/scenes. You don’t need to be upset that it’s not your ship LMAO go commission art on your own that is to your liking.

#pro elriel #elriel #anti elucien #anti gwynriel #canon vs fanon #anon ask

[sakuraharuno156]

Why I despise Hinata after the s*it show she pulled against Pain - a rant.

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People seem to love Hinata because she was "so brave" and wanted to "protect" Naruto, but that's bulls*it. She just showed her selfishness and attention seeking behavior, but people are so blinded by their love towards her, that they can't see the facts that manga showed us.

What is Narutos biggest nightmare? Being the nine tail fox. He is terrified because people see him as a destructive force that he is fighting his whole life to suppress.

Since first chapter we know that Naruto doesn't want to destroy the village nor to kill people. He is fighting his whole life just to prove to people he is not a demon fox.

He wants to become Hokage and prove himself as a protector, not a destroyer.

In first chapters we see that Naruto just wants to be loved, accepted and SEEN, but not AS A FOX, AS NARUTO.

So what our selfish princess gonna do with it?

Show him love and support when he needs it, like after Jirayas death? No.

She will jump into a fight she has no chance in to confess her attention seeking "love" and comit su*cide in front of Naruto. In front of a child that wants love above anything else. A child that lives for a tiniest substitute of love. What did she expect? To win? No. Everyone knows she has no chance. To help Naruto? I'll show how she "helped" in a second.

She is selfish, she said it herself and I hate her for what she did.

Her "help" just resulted in Naruto losing all control and letting Kurama out. Because of Hinata, Naruto became the thing he tried HIS WHOLE LIFE to prove his not.

He is in pain. He's hurting.

He is giving up and allowing Kurama to take over and to destroy the village. His whole life of being hated is coming back to him and he is turning into a monster that destroyed the village 16 years ago when he was born.

Because of Hinata, Naruto is becoming a monster that is about to kill everyone and destroy everything. That's what she did.

But luckily we have Minato, the person who really saved Naruto in that situation. The person that Naruto is thanking for saving him.

But let's see how he feels about what Hinata did to him?

"You did that."

Naruto is so terrified that HE destroyed the village, that he really IS THE MONSTER that's killed a person that "loves" him and destroyed whole village.

He is holding his heart, he is in such mental pain that it's hurts him physically.

Hinata almost ruined Naruto and everything he worked for. She is a terrible person for what did to him. If not for Minato that stopped him, Naruto would destroy everything and hate himself.

And Naruto we know would rather die, than hurt people he cares about and Konoha.

So no, Hinata didn't "save him", she destroyed him into pieces that Minato had to put back.

And that's not the only person that was hurt by her selfishness, but who cares about her guard that literally told her he would be punished if she got hurt, who cares about others, right? It doesn't matter as long as Hinata had her selfish "love" confession, right?

I hate her, I really do. She's a selfish person that's hurts everyone along her way, just to get what she wants.

#anti hinata #anti naruhina #anti studio pierrot #naruto #anti hinata hyuga #anti hinata fandom #naruto shipuden #naruto pain #pain arc #naruto vs pain #hinata vs pain #pro naruto manga #naruto manga #anti hinata hyuuga

[killuwaluacey]

It feels like we’re collectively being fucking gaslit when I look at THE LITERAL FUCKING PHOTOGRAPHIC, TEXT, AUDIO, AND VIDEO EVIDENCE that Amber was being abused since at least 2012 & people look straight at it and say “Okay but where’s the evidence at though? You’re just taking her word.” WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!? YOU JUST LOOKED AT TESTIMONIES FROM BOTH OF THEM ON A SPECIFIC INCIDENT. AMBER’S IS CORROBORATED AND JOHNNY’S IS CONTRADICTED BY MULTIPLE TEXTS FROM JOHNNY, A VIDEO, AND A LATER AUDIO ADMISSION! What the fuck is going on?!

#depp vs heard #do not respond with pro depp shit I’ll just think you’re dumb #anti johnny depp

[profeminist]

Dr. Andrea Orzoff, quoting Jamelle Bouie : "The Supreme Court does not exist above the constitutional system...it cannot shield itself from the power of the other branches.... The Constitution provides a number of paths by which Congress can restrain and discipline a rogue court.

It can impeach and remove justices. It can increase or decrease the size of the court itself (at its inception, the Supreme Court had only six members). It can strip the court of its jurisdiction over certain issues or it can weaken its power of judicial review by requiring a supermajority of justices to sign off on any decision that overturns a law. Congress can also rebuke the court with legislation that simply cancels the decision in question. In the face of a reckless, reactionary and power-hungry court, Congress has options.

It will take time to build the kind of power and consensus needed to make significant changes to the court. But even the work of amassing that power and putting that consensus together can stand as a credible threat to a Supreme Court that has acted, under conservative control, as if it stands above the constitutional system, unaccountable to anyone other than itself."

Thread: https://twitter.com/DrO_aorzoff/status/1540836543048192001

#scotus #supreme court #anti democratic establishment #politics #roe vs. wade #feminism #feminist #stop forced childbirth #pro choice #pro-choice

[depressinglyrelevant]

We don't let Jehovah's Witnesses decide whether we can get blood transfusions legally. We don't let Catholics decide whether abortion is legal.

#or evangelicals or protestants #or anyone taken in by the modern invention that is anti-abortion propaganda #abortion #prolife #pro-life #roe vs wade #roe vs. wade