#punch discourse

[thee-radio-host-is-a-kookaburra]

anyways, if you’re a queer person currently being targeted by internet discoursers, know that it will pass. it always does. people just enjoy having someone to punch, and when you’re too beaten up to be fun to punch anymore, they’ll move on to a new target.

maybe they’ll pretend they were with you the whole time, or they’ll apologize and say that they were tricked into it. you don’t have to forgive them.

#punching sideways #queer discourse #max squawks #anti exclusionist #anti exclus #transmasc #transandrophobia #mspec gay #mspec lesbian #mspec straight #bi lesbian #bi straight #bi gay #lesboy #turigirl #contradictory labels #transmultiphobia #multigender #polygender #bigender #anti truscum #anti transmed #mlm #ocean gay flag #achillian

[theminecraftbee]

you know sometimes one of the things the fandom does that i like the least is joke about how certain ccs are "lorephobic" because it basically always ignores the lore they actually are really and visibly doing. like, sure, they may not be doing the lore YOU'RE looking at, but, one, lore doesn't just mean "big overarching server storyline" it can also mean solo stuff. it can also mean 'builds that have story built into them'. it can also mean 'fun little storyline between like two guys'. it can also mean character continuity. it can mean many things. two, "this guy doesn't do lore" is NOT the same thing as "this guy doesn't do the specific lore i personally like and want to see them doing" and i don't always think you guys know the difference. all of this, of course, is to say: hey guys did you know zedaph can canonically time travel,

#discourse #sorta. tagging that more for the negativity than for there being actual discourse here #fanfic trope ask game got me into a SHARING OPINIONS mood and i've been sitting on this one for WEEKS #we'll see if i regret this later when i'm less punch-drunk #anyway this post is not just about zedaph this post is about. many people. x zedaph joel off the top of my head #zedaph is just my example here #i don't think you're bad for making these jokes mind (especially with joel given that he leans into it) #but also i think they can be really REALLY dismissive of the guys the joke is made about #especially when those guys ARE IN FACT DOING LORE #they just aren't doing the specific thing you want to see i guess. #this isn't prompted by anyone in specific incidentally do NOT think that i am aiming this at You Specifically i am not #this is just a general vibe #i also do get that these are normally in-jokes that start affectionately within that specific guy's fanbase #rather than intended as insults #it's just that when they spread widely they start to get. grating #anyway don't mind me just. in opinions mood

[coffeebanana]

my oh so very controversial s5 opinion is...

...

ladrien should have kissed 😚

#miraculous ladybug #i'm not tagging this with the other thing i would normally tag it with because that gives away the punch line 😂 #y'all this isn't discourse it's just me being silly i promise

[celluloidbroomcloset]

Ok, now that I’m rested and calmer…

Criticizing a character for their behavior and flaws is very different from deciding a character is the sum total of those flaws and is therefore Problematic.

Stede is shown as a deeply flawed man. Some of it is a result of how the world and some individuals treat him, some about social expectations of being a man that he can’t fulfill, and some is his psychological makeup that’s a whole combination of outer and inner influences and narratives. He’s selfish and he’s easily swayed by attention. He badly wants approval and he sometimes doesn’t care how he gets it. He thinks a man is supposed to be a certain way and he knows that he’s not that, so he tries (and fails) to be that.

But it is a huge error to take those flaws and insecurities and decide that those make the total of who he is, or even that those flaws are what guide him and shape him throughout both seasons.

Stede is absolutely a victim of toxic masculinity and he is capable of being toxic. We see that in the pub/art opening/bedtime sequence in Season 1 and in the scenes at Jackie’z etc. in Season 2.

The pub scene and the scenes in "Man on Fire" are absolutely mirrors of each other, with the escalation of the fact that Stede truly does want to be accepted as a pirate and his behavior at Jackie'z is absolutely expected and lauded in piracy. But they are NOT WHAT STEDE IS. They are not representative of Stede becoming or wanting to become “traditionally masculine," or of him showing his true self, and they are not the places where Stede ends the narrative.

Those scenes are about him shaping and suppressing his true self to fit in. They both end with him miserable, drunk, and alone, then nearly murdered by a woman who has more to lose than he does. (There's a reason Mary is so shocked during the art exhibition and makes the choice to kill him that night. She has been married to him for years and it is quite obvious that to her his behavior is Not Normal.) What we see in those scenes is not who Stede intrinsically is, but who he has the potential to become.

And he doesn’t become those things. At the end of the pub sequence, Stede actually talks to Mary, and the next scenes are him and her united to fix what he has broken. At the end of the "Man on Fire" sequence, Stede shifts back to his caring self with Zheng and they help each other fight the English. In both, Stede saves his crew and returns to Ed.

Stede chooses to not become the toxic man he has the potential to be (and that every man has the potential to be). That is not ending the season in a bad place for him; that’s him making a conscious decision to be the good man he already is.

Part of the point of Stede is that he presents an alternative to the toxicity and abuse around him—that he is a good, kind man who combines feminine and masculine traits—but also that he can indeed be destroyed by it and has to make a choice not to be. He is strong because he resists all that toxicity, even when he’s pulled in by it.

Stede leaves piracy at the end not because he’s being self sacrificing but because he’s letting go of the same things he was letting go of when he left home for the second time. He needs to be who he truly is, and he needs to do that with Ed. He is as certain about that at the end of Season 2 as he was certain about returning to sea at the end of Season 1.

Stede does not think, in the end, that he has to be a big tough pirate to be loved. He knows he’s loved for being kind and resourceful and clever. It is a massive error to see him being pulled into a toxic role that he then rejects, and say that’s who he wants to be.

#ofmd #our flag means death #stede bonnet #edward teach #mary bonnet #ofmd meta #gifs #if i have to keep hearing about stede wanting to be traditionally masculine #or being problematic because he is flawed and does things that show those flaws #or about season 2 ending badly for him because he wants to be traditionally masculine #i will fucking punch someone #same with trying to claim that not engaging in the “Stede is Actually Problematic” discourse is woobifying him or whatever #i welcome discussion but i am not going to fall into a debate of “here's why Stede is Actually Problematic”

[isaacsapphire]

After half a decade of "Nazi Punching Discourse" in the US and internationally and a war that was justified by the invader as being "anti Nazi", it needs to be explicitly stated;

Calling any person Nazi is an implicit threat of physical violence.

Labeling a belief or idea Nazi is an implicit argumentum ad baculum.

#original post #nazi punching discourse #everyone i disagree with is a nazi #ukraine invasion

[the-cat-and-the-birdie]

It bothers the hell out of me when no one talks about what George stacy? (whatever his name is) (gwens dad) pulling out a gun and was (probably) going to harm his own kid?? why is no one talking about? why is that scene so overlooked?? it's so fucking overlooked, call me whatever, but my gut has been screaming to me about it, it's so weird how overlooked it is, And I know it's not just me, but I also feel kike I know why and it sucks, I feel bad for gwen, I don't think she'll ever look at him that way and it's not being talked about as much.

NO DEADASS REALLY FOR REAL DEADASS

Like the implications of that scene are insane - if we question what he would've done, like it gets sickening.

Because he let out a warning shot, he's going by procedure. So if Gwen hadn't complied, what would he have done? If she 'resisted arrest' is he really ready to use force - A GUN on his own daughter.

He KNOWS she Spider-Gwen now. He's see what she can do - Gwen could probably dodge a bullet if she knew she was being shot at. Knowing that, he was doing that to get her to submit in fear, that hopefully his place as a cop would scare her into WHAT?? Giving herself up.

Gwen CAN'T.

This is NYC mind you.

If you get arrested in NYC they send you Riker's Island while you wait for trail. Riker's Island being the jail that inspired ARKHAM ASYLUM.

It's considered one of the foulest facilities in the country. Gwen is what, 16-17? Wanted for murder - the cops HATE her, the courts could easily trial her as an adult.

Was he REALLY ready to throw his 16 year old daughter into the most dangerous neglective hellish place the city has to offer? Was he ready to shoot her or worse?

WHAT WAS HE GONNA DO??? CAUSE WHATEVER IT WAS...HE SEEMED COMMITED TO DOING IT.

SIR WHAT WERE YOU GOING TO INFLICT UPON YOU INNOCENT CHILD - HOBIE GET THE GUITAR

No wonder she was gonna leave without talking to him. If Hobie hadn't come over, she would've rather been homeless on the streets rather than try and face her dad again - knowing it can end up MUCH worse.

Not knowing if he's looking for her to apologize or throw her in a cruiser he makes me SICKKKK BRUHH ITs NOT EVEN FUNNY AT THIS POINT

As soon as he started talking she had an attitude because she's still pissed about there. There's so much sadness there but anger too, cause like

How you deadass pull a gun on your only family??????????????

How you deadass about to send your daughter to a detention center or a jail OR MORE LIKELY COMPLETE SOLITARY. Consider her powers.

Like..... These movies want me to pat him and Peter B. on the back for a job well done when they BOTH let Gwen down. And Gwen has to come TO THEM to fix it (which I understand for her dad but Peter r u deadass)

Meanwhile Jefferson is doing TWENTY THOUSAND TIMES BETTER WTF

FUCK GEORGE STACY ALL MY HOBIES HATE GEORGE STACY JEFFERSON DAVIS IS A KIN

DO YOU THINK HED EVER PULL A GUN ON MILES NO!!!!!

#Sorry but MIles42 should punch Gwen's dad :) #Like he's normal now but he Must Repent #gwen stacy #spidergwen #spider gwen #george stacy #atsv discourse #atsv analysis #atsv #spiderman #spider man #across the spiderverse #across the spider verse #miles morales

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

i— hmm.. i don't know if i should laugh or cry. are c//a stans really this dumb? how do they connect catra punching adora with her “trying to protect adora”? what even is going on inside their brains anymore? has it been turned to mush by the constant exposure to the poor writing of this show?

#“oh catra always tears open adora's skin with her claws but now she's punching the everloving shit out of adora #i guess that means she loves her” #i'm just dumbfounded #spop critical #spop #spop salt #spop criticism #spop discourse #she ra #anti catradora #anti catra #anti c//a #anticatra #anti spop #antic//a #anticatradora #anti stans #spop fandumb #spop fandom discourse #spop fandom critical #spop fandom #they get so close to the truth every time too

[fer3112]

no please get mad at people for denying dnp romantic relationship bc it’s getting fucking weird and pissing me off

Rant under the cut because I'm still mad

It is getting very weird! People are always denying what queer people say, just look at what happened with Rosalia and Hunter Schafer (Hunter said they were in a relationship in the past and a lot of people called her a liar or straight up denied it) or with pop stars like Miley who have said they were queer and people just call them straight. And Just for an example of the opposite thing happening we have Jenna and Julien. Remember when they used to joke around every single video and call each other friend? I didn't see people denying their relationship just becaused they would call each other friends. There's a very real reason behind the historian jokes in the queer community.

And the thing with dnp is that frankly you just need eyes and ears to know that they are not platonic. They are constantly making horny jokes (bj joke on the golf video anyone?), they make it very clear that they are spending the rest of their lieves together, that they don't really spend a lot of time with other people, Dan called them soulmates, etc? And that is just in videos. You pay attention to other things like Dan's interviews ("basically yes"), Crornelia calling Dan an uncle, we know you know, and even the symbolism in dnpc and it just gets more obvious. At this point if you don't see it you just don't want to see it (or you are just lying and saying things like "whatever they are to each other teehee' to not get cancelled because you think it's still 2014). With all of those examples and just they way dnp acts generally tbh you have to twist things really hard to convince anyone that they are not in a romantic relationship or that they are ex boyfriends (lol) because Dan dared to say "it was more than just romantic" when talknig about 2009... was is the correct conjugation of the verb to talk about the past people! and narratively when you talk about the past you have to use past tense even if things are the same in the future! If someone asked me about my best friend I could say 'oh yeah we were best friends in high school we used to spend all time together' and that doesn't mean she's not my best friend to this day it just means I'm talking about the past. Anyway no matter what way you are looking at it, it just makes more sense to think that they are in a relationship that is clearly romantic and even more profound than that, but platonic? I just don't blieve it I'm sorry it makes no sense, I think that the person from the reddit post was just projecting a lot of things when they made that post going around earlier because we know dnp are very horny men and hopeless romantics who have stated that the universe would break in half if they separated. Open your eyes people!

And I don't want this to come off as dismissive of qprs because that's not my intention at all, I believe they exist and that friendships can be as fullfiling and deep as romantic ones, maybe even more (believe me, I know, my best friend has been the only constant and most reliable person in my life for the last ten years) but I just don't think that's the case with dnp at all.

Btw excuse any typos I was heated and thinking in spanish like i tend to do when I'm mad

#ask #dan and phil #discourse #the thing about me? I have to get mad about things that are irrelevant at the end of the day because #if i get mad at real things that happen in my life i'll just end up punching my dad #and again my native language is not english and I don't have autocorrect on please don't bully my typos

[buck2eddie]

buck according to albums: badlands by halsey

#here i am with another one hooray! #(no one start uwu buck discourse over the punch i just thought the lyric was hilarious with this ok A JOKE) #evan buckley #911 #911edit #911 abc #evanbucklyedit #buck*albums

[redysetdare]

every time i see a post that is like "ughh why cant we have aspec characters who aren't aroace for once" I have to do a double take like "is the aroace rep in the room with us right now?" because genuinely....where is all this aroace rep y'all are complaining about? Why cant i find it yet it's apparently the only aspec rep we get?? You admit that TV never says the word aromantic so where is the aroace rep. So far I've pretty much only seen canonically asexual characters and not much else buddy.

#text #half the time i think these ppl see other aspec ppl saying that x character feels aroace and then they take it as canon rep #instead of an interpretation of the character which likely was never meant to be written as aspec at all #because majority of people don't even know what that is #this isn't me saying that we shouldn't have aroallo or alloace rep btw #this is me complaining about people throwing aroace ppl under the bus because apparently we are 'hogging' all the representation in media #and it just reads as people being aphobic towards aroace people specifically and it drives me insane #you can ask for more aroallo and alloace characters without complaining and shitting on aroace characters???? #like bro we are all on the same fucking team. we are all trying to get seen and understood. we all want to see ourselves in media #stop fighting like one of us is somehow way more privileged than the other because 'you have x rep' #we all have crumbs my guy. just because someone else is getting crumbs doesn't mean that its your crumbs being taken. #idk i see so many posts like this and it makes me feel so unwelcome in the aro and ace communities #im tired of aroace people being used as a scapegoat that you can target to pretend like you're punching up #when in reality you're just committing friendly fire against people who are on your team #i miss when the aro and ace communities used to like... work together as a big aspec community #now ppl r way too focused on separating them and acting like they have nothing in common and don't have the same goals #and both communities now tend to put a lot of blame onto aroace people because of stereotypes we never had control over in the first place #it's exhausting #like the aphobia is coming from inside the house #i didn't go through the ace discourse on tumblr to deal with this shit.

[antimony-medusa]

Okay so inspired by nothing in particular (it's inspired by reading the notes on the ace swag final poll, fun stuff in there), I have been thinking about being Cringe. Cause like, you enter a fandom, and usually, you find out shortly that somebody else hates that fandom. There is no fandom niche enough that it's not Weird to somebody, and there's no fandom mainstream enough that it's not Annoying to somebody else. And given the fact that some people do hatred recreationally, there's often going to be somebody mad enough about your fandom that they're going to go on diatribes about how your fandom is bad and actually harmful and destroying the fabric of civilization, etc. They're gonna pull out anything negative and blow it up until it's the size of the skyline and attack you for liking this negative thing.

Fun times, we've all seen it.

And the thing is, there's an impulse to have this happen and immediately find somebody else to point to and say, yeah, well, I might be weird, but at least I'm not THAT guy. I might read YA, but at least I'm not a Furry— those guys are sexual deviants! I might be into actual play podcasts, but at least I'm not into mcyt— those guys are all harmful and my guy is fine. I might be into danmei, but at least I'm not into bandom— rpf is so gross. I might be a furry, but at least I'm not into mainstream romance novels— senseless drivel aimed at middle class white women. Y'know. Immediately find someone to punch down on.

And boy do I understand why you want to do that, when people are pointing at you, but I don't actually think that it's helpful.

Cause like, every fandom has a logical train of thought and reasonable human impulses behind it. You might not share those impulses— I'm not a furry I don't think, I don't really get true crime— but that doesn't mean I can't have it explained to me by a very patient person in in the writer's workshop common room and go "oh, yeah, kinda pretending to be an animal, but you're gay about it, yeah, makes sense", or "oh yeah, morbid curiosity from the safety of your headphones, it's like a horror movie but real" and nod. Like there isn't a fandom or group out there that doesn't look weird from the outside, and there isn't a fandom or group that can't be explained if someone has thought about the human psyche enough.

And that isn't to say that there isn't sometimes salient critiques for what fandoms are doing or not doing— to grab the two examples above, I have heard people talking about issues with true crime reinforcing the current fucked up justice system, or bigotry at furry cons. But a) most of the time, there is already somebody inside that community that's fighting against those issues, and you just threw them under the bus with the problem they're trying to fix b) you don't usually know the nuances of the actual conversation and problems, you saw a couple callout posts. You saying "Yeah I'm a board game nerd but at least I don't play competitive trading card cames, those guys are doing nothing but feeding the capitalist machine" is not usually helpful towards fixing the ctg scene. It's just a cheap way to score points.

Like, I assure you that the YA scene is aware of the calcification of the genre into a tighter and tighter romantic form and their dependence on going big on tik-tok to sell enough to keep publishing. They know.

You specifically saying that your fandom is better cause it's not [problems you heard about other fandom having] is not actually going to make the person who's hating on you stop hating. They already decided that you're the person they're better than and that they're punching down on, you passing the punching down on to another fandom just makes more people sad on the internet, and potentially starts yet another chain of someone punching down at someone else. The wheel grinds on, everybody gets punched.

I guess this is just kinda turning into a "why hate on the internet, what good does that do" post, which is broader than I meant it to be. But like, there's a difference between thoughtful critique of problems (complicated to do fairly but very necessary) and finding someone new to curbstomp to make yourself feel better/morally superior (look, I'm writing this on a mcyt blog, we've all seen this happen, it does not increase the joy in the world).

Like in MCYT, we all decide to punch down on [other server we hate], or RPF, or people who write kidfic, or people who write e-rated fic/art, or people doing the popular trope of the moment, and sure, it lets you feel morally superior for the moment, at the cost of slapping the guy next to you. Haven't we had enough slapping the guy next to you? There but for the grace of god (got a fun idea/watched the wrong stream/ended up in the wrong brainstorming circle/got fixated on the wrong funny guy) goes I. You're not better than another group just because you saw a couple more callout posts (usually from people inside the community trying to fix things) about them.

We are all Cringe. There is nobody who's not Cringe. Don't say that you're not Cringe because someone else is more Cringe. Stop that.

#discourse #This is another thing where the public/private rule applies too I think #cause social media is public and what you do there is governed by different politeness rules #walking into your friend's dms and saying GOD I AM SO ANNOYED BY [other fandom] is a normal human impulse #posting that where other people can see that is potentially much more like shouting in the face of a random person #idk this is potentially something where me having a thousand followers is warping the perspective #cause I try to be really aware of the fact that who knows what people who see my posts are into #there's nobody I can throw under the bus and not have them see it #if you have eight followers all of which you know #you're much more effectively in a private space #idk #boy reading the tags on that ace swag poll was kinda a Oh Yeah They Really Hate Us moment #I forgot that cause I was just happy over here #but boy are we still an internet's favoured punching bag #and I just think making an effort to not continue to punching bag people might be good #fandom meta

[fruit-kick]

ngl i hate it when u bring up how fucked up the show and fandom treats jermy and ppl respond w/ "he makes out w/ his dog" like idk how to tell you that jermy is not A Real Guy who made out w/ his dog the same way Dolph was not a kid who happened to look like hitler.

like both of those things are deliberate choices made by the writers to justify shitty, bigoted choices in the story and i need all of you to stop falling for it when people bring up the fact that it was fucked up.

also, other hot take that i think should be cold: people doing fucked up things does not justify bigotry. if the writers put in a trans caricature, misgendered them every step of the way, and then threw in a "they kiss dogs" ya'll would know thats bullshit. (or at least i hope you do) so put in the same fucking energy.

#🍊​fruit.posts🏀 #camp camp #jermy fartz #queued #no hate to the blog owner of the hot takes acc #but seeing people post the most abysmal takes on anon #and respond in the comments w/ the most ridiculous statement #it made me wanna punch this fandom in the face so hard #like some of you SUCK. #and i hate it when someone posts something so horrid on anon and i cant block them #literally so annoying to see valid criticisms of the show and fandom be drowned out by mindless discourse #a select few of u lack literacy about anything that isnt shipping discourse #you'll post paragraphs upon paragraphs explaining why a ship is toxic #but the moment racism; ableism; fatphobia; anti-semitism; etc #the moment any of those things come up its either radio silence or 'okay but...' #annoying

[nervousmonolith]

him rn

#monolith mumbles #discourse #he is punching walls and crying

[triple-a-aro]

Clicking on a post that's talking about how cool bi lesbians are and getting hit with the transandrophobia truthers dni lmfao

#i should have known bc the post was talking in a generalized way and specifically didnt include mspec gays #but hey i was hopeful lmao #it feels like the queer community has become so fem-centric these days #which im not like. saying that the rise of awareness and activism for fems is a bad thing. its great and im really happy for them! #but i struggle to find masc-centric spaces both online and irl #idk i'll talk fully about that one day #but yeah no i just feel like now that we're all inclusive of mspec gay ppl again that trans men have become punching bag of the year #give it up for trans men everyone yippee #discourse #transandrophobia #rant tag

[no1monstersimp]

I laughed so hard, who do these ppl think they are?

#one punch man #opm #fandom discourse #this fandom makes me tired sometimes

[neonbuck]

i love how after encouraging trans women from tumblr to go to cohost, that site let an infamous furry twitter drama addict harass one of my friends, and then got mad at her for not taking shit from that person...don't make a cohost lol

#.txt #this is why i hate terminally online people so much #they constantly use their garbage attitudes to punch down #always racist or transmisognyist but they get away with it because they call it 'discourse' #if you make furry art and dont have the mental energy for twitter youre better off using bluesky. there are more people there #the drama addict is zlchxo btw. block them everywhere if you're a furry who likes to have a fun and not miserable time online