Kit apparently said that Dany was bad from the very beginning and "we're culpable. We cheered her on." I cannot stand by the cast painting Dany as evil for her ruthlessness against terrible people while saying nothing about Sansa, Arya, Jon, Jaime, Tyrion, or anyone else doing the same thing in the series. It's blatant hypocrisy.
Virtually every main character in Game of Thrones has killed ‘evil men’ and we’ve cheered them on. By this logic, every viewer is ‘culpable’.
I want to clarify that this is not about whether or not these characters were justified in their actions, it’s just a list to show that the characters and fans gaslighting Daenerys are not and never were morally superior.
The point of this list is to prove that Daenerys is not that different from anyone else where morality is concerned, except that no one ever gave her the benefit of the doubt or considered whether or not her actions were justified.
What was Dany accused of prior to 8x05? (By characters and fans):
Having a temper
Killing her enemies in battle
Executing 'evil’ men guilty of what she deems a crime (slave owners)
Using a method of execution that 'makes people uncomfortable’ (fire)
Not preventing her brother’s murder and not being sad enough as it happened
These are the things that the fans and the men conspiring against her insist were warning signs that she was 'going mad’.
This is going to be a long, ugly post that will probably cost me some followers, but simply typing them out is not good enough because most fans have shorter memories than goldfish. Y’all need visuals.
No, I’m not bothering to put it under a cut either, because I’m trying to prove a point and the fact that it’s long only helps my case. 👍
Let’s take a look at the deeds of the oh-so-morally-superior characters, shall we?
Jaime Lannister oathbreaking by slaying his king
Jaime Lannister attempted to murder a child
Jaime Lannister murdered Jory Cassel
Jaime Lannister killed his enemies in battle, tried to murder Daenerys in battle
Jaime Lannister kinslayed, strangling his cousin
Jaime Lannister sacked Highgarden and left no survivors
Jaime Lannister murdered his enemy, Olenna Tyrell
Tyrion Lannister killed his enemies in battle
Tyrion Lannister professed his regret in ever defending King’s Landing
Tyrion Lannister vowed revenge on his sister
Tyrion Lannister kinslayed by having murdered his father
Tyrion Lannister murdered his lover after her betrayal (Shae)
Tyrion murdered his enemies with Wildfire
Tyrion and Varys committed treason against their queen, Daenerys
Varys encouraged Tyrion to seek revenge upon his sister
Varys tried to murder Daenerys via poisoning her food
Varys kept a man in a torture box
Jon Snow broke his Night’s Watch oaths/vow
Jon Snow murdered Qhorin Halfhand
Jon Snow killed his enemies in battle
Jon Snow executed a man who disobeyed his order who cried and begged for his life (Janos Slynt)
Jon Snow executed men who committed treason and conspired to kill him, including a child
Jon Snow nearly killed a man with his bare hands
Jon Snow committed treason against his queen
Jon Snow kinslayed his aunt/murdered his queen in cold blood
Sansa Stark executed Ramsay Bolton with dogs
Sansa Stark committed treason against her family
Sansa Stark lied to prohibit justice for her aunt’s murder
Sansa Stark broke an oath she swore in front of the heart tree
Sansa Stark ordered an execution without a trial
Arya Stark recited a murder list of future victims
Arya Stark killed an entire family regardless of individual guilt
Arya Stark baked the remains into a pie and fed it to the father
Arya Stark delighted in the murder of Walder Frey
Arya Stark stabbed out the eyes of Meryn Trant before murdering him
Arya Stark relished in the death of Polliver
Arya Stark very brutally tore off the face of the Waif and put it on display
Bran Stark warged into Hodor against his will
Bran Stark, who confirms he is aware of the future, moved the chess pieces around to maximize lives lost so that he could seize power
Let’s take a look at other characters who are held in higher moral esteem than Daenerys Targaryen (prior to 8x05):
Robb Stark executed Rickard Karstark for disobeying him
Robb Stark knowingly sent thousands of his men to their deaths for a victory
Robb Stark killed his enemies in battle
Ned Stark executed a man for what he deemed a crime (Will)
Ned Stark killed his enemies in battle
Sandor Clegane murdered a child on an order
Tormund Giantsbane killed innocents in raids
Ygritte killed innocents (including women) in raids
Ygritte killed her enemies in battle
Tormund killed his enemies in battle (and ate their faces)
Randyll Tarly threatened to hunt and murder his heir
Randyll Tarly betrayed his liege lord Olenna Tyrell
Randyll Tarly sacked Highgarden and left no survivors
Melisandre poisoned a Maester for trying to kill her
Melisandre burned non-believers alive
Melisandre burned an innocent child alive
Stannis and Selyse Baratheon consented to murdering their child
Melisandre and Stannis burned a man alive for refusing to bend the knee
Melisandre and Stannis Baratheon (kinslaying) his brother via shadow demon
This list ain’t even exhaustive. This is just the shit I came up with off the top of my head!
Want to claim Daenerys Targaryen was always foreshadowed to be mad? Cool!
Now just admit everyone else in the series was foreshadowed as mad, too.
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Okay I'm biting, I'm chomping down on the hook - could you tell me a little bit about the queen's thief and why I should read it?
hm. ok. so the queen’s thief is about a trickster who wants to go down in history but as soon as it starts happening he’s like NO NOT LIKE THAT. and also about the people he befriends against their will :)
it’s an ancient greece/byzantine era-inspired world that starts off very focused on one person and then as his significance grows it zooms out to show you more and more of what it becomes increasingly clear are history-making events of this land, gradually gaining perspective and quickly gaining layers and layers of political intrigue, all of which is connected on thematic levels to the mythology of this world
...but it all starts with a grimy teenager sitting in prison because he got busted for bragging about how good he is at stealing
you should read it if you love mythology, courtly intrigue, and ruthless politics being no match for the saving power of trusting those you love. if you don’t love slow, classic fantasy quest road trips maybe don’t start with the first book tho
featuring characters such as:
a thief who wants to be famous. what kind of thief wants to be famous for being a thief. gen that’s so dumb
a pure beam of sunshine who will commit acts of international violence
a guard who is having a very bad day
an accountant who is having an even worse day
a queen whom i love and adore with all my heart
a queen who has murdered many people whom i also love and adore with all my heart
many tired old men
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