#really nobody HATED that fandom

[teen-heart-throb-mr-hyde]

oh you hate tgs book inaccurate adaptations? do you want an award? should we throw a party? should we invite robert louis stevenson?

#any time i see posts that r just ppl being haters needlessly it’s like. wii sports resort voice NOBODY ASKED! #like. personal hot take. at this point i don’t care if ppl want a take a century old book thats been in the public domain for decades #and get a lil silly with it. #and i think if u don’t personally like an adaptation just don’t engage w/ it #i don’t understand hate blogging i don’t understand hate watching <3 #i really just despise how one half of this fandom has become so. openly hostile to the other half. self fulfilling prophecy or something. #jekyll and hyde

[antimony-medusa]

Okay so inspired by nothing in particular (it's inspired by reading the notes on the ace swag final poll, fun stuff in there), I have been thinking about being Cringe. Cause like, you enter a fandom, and usually, you find out shortly that somebody else hates that fandom. There is no fandom niche enough that it's not Weird to somebody, and there's no fandom mainstream enough that it's not Annoying to somebody else. And given the fact that some people do hatred recreationally, there's often going to be somebody mad enough about your fandom that they're going to go on diatribes about how your fandom is bad and actually harmful and destroying the fabric of civilization, etc. They're gonna pull out anything negative and blow it up until it's the size of the skyline and attack you for liking this negative thing.

Fun times, we've all seen it.

And the thing is, there's an impulse to have this happen and immediately find somebody else to point to and say, yeah, well, I might be weird, but at least I'm not THAT guy. I might read YA, but at least I'm not a Furry— those guys are sexual deviants! I might be into actual play podcasts, but at least I'm not into mcyt— those guys are all harmful and my guy is fine. I might be into danmei, but at least I'm not into bandom— rpf is so gross. I might be a furry, but at least I'm not into mainstream romance novels— senseless drivel aimed at middle class white women. Y'know. Immediately find someone to punch down on.

And boy do I understand why you want to do that, when people are pointing at you, but I don't actually think that it's helpful.

Cause like, every fandom has a logical train of thought and reasonable human impulses behind it. You might not share those impulses— I'm not a furry I don't think, I don't really get true crime— but that doesn't mean I can't have it explained to me by a very patient person in in the writer's workshop common room and go "oh, yeah, kinda pretending to be an animal, but you're gay about it, yeah, makes sense", or "oh yeah, morbid curiosity from the safety of your headphones, it's like a horror movie but real" and nod. Like there isn't a fandom or group out there that doesn't look weird from the outside, and there isn't a fandom or group that can't be explained if someone has thought about the human psyche enough.

And that isn't to say that there isn't sometimes salient critiques for what fandoms are doing or not doing— to grab the two examples above, I have heard people talking about issues with true crime reinforcing the current fucked up justice system, or bigotry at furry cons. But a) most of the time, there is already somebody inside that community that's fighting against those issues, and you just threw them under the bus with the problem they're trying to fix b) you don't usually know the nuances of the actual conversation and problems, you saw a couple callout posts. You saying "Yeah I'm a board game nerd but at least I don't play competitive trading card cames, those guys are doing nothing but feeding the capitalist machine" is not usually helpful towards fixing the ctg scene. It's just a cheap way to score points.

Like, I assure you that the YA scene is aware of the calcification of the genre into a tighter and tighter romantic form and their dependence on going big on tik-tok to sell enough to keep publishing. They know.

You specifically saying that your fandom is better cause it's not [problems you heard about other fandom having] is not actually going to make the person who's hating on you stop hating. They already decided that you're the person they're better than and that they're punching down on, you passing the punching down on to another fandom just makes more people sad on the internet, and potentially starts yet another chain of someone punching down at someone else. The wheel grinds on, everybody gets punched.

I guess this is just kinda turning into a "why hate on the internet, what good does that do" post, which is broader than I meant it to be. But like, there's a difference between thoughtful critique of problems (complicated to do fairly but very necessary) and finding someone new to curbstomp to make yourself feel better/morally superior (look, I'm writing this on a mcyt blog, we've all seen this happen, it does not increase the joy in the world).

Like in MCYT, we all decide to punch down on [other server we hate], or RPF, or people who write kidfic, or people who write e-rated fic/art, or people doing the popular trope of the moment, and sure, it lets you feel morally superior for the moment, at the cost of slapping the guy next to you. Haven't we had enough slapping the guy next to you? There but for the grace of god (got a fun idea/watched the wrong stream/ended up in the wrong brainstorming circle/got fixated on the wrong funny guy) goes I. You're not better than another group just because you saw a couple more callout posts (usually from people inside the community trying to fix things) about them.

We are all Cringe. There is nobody who's not Cringe. Don't say that you're not Cringe because someone else is more Cringe. Stop that.

#discourse #This is another thing where the public/private rule applies too I think #cause social media is public and what you do there is governed by different politeness rules #walking into your friend's dms and saying GOD I AM SO ANNOYED BY [other fandom] is a normal human impulse #posting that where other people can see that is potentially much more like shouting in the face of a random person #idk this is potentially something where me having a thousand followers is warping the perspective #cause I try to be really aware of the fact that who knows what people who see my posts are into #there's nobody I can throw under the bus and not have them see it #if you have eight followers all of which you know #you're much more effectively in a private space #idk #boy reading the tags on that ace swag poll was kinda a Oh Yeah They Really Hate Us moment #I forgot that cause I was just happy over here #but boy are we still an internet's favoured punching bag #and I just think making an effort to not continue to punching bag people might be good #fandom meta

[accirax]

I was thinking about this the other day and realized that I really had no idea what the stats were for the fandom as a whole....

Please note that I'm asking about the blackened-- AKA who would be executed-- for this poll. In the case of "Levi was Eden's accomplice," "David manipulated Hu," etc, I want to know who you think is Going To Die.

#danganronpa despair time #drdt #drdt spoilers #ace markey #rose lacroix #hu jing #eden tobisa #levi fontana #arturo giles #david chiem #veronika grebenshchikova #j rosales #whit young #nico hakobyan #teruko tawaki #charles cuevas #fanganronpa #i hate having to toss charles onto the last option but i only had 11 slots and from what i've seen nobody really thinks it's him #plus with his necrophobia it seems REALLY hard for it to be him so hopefully his button won't be missed much #but yeah! for the fandom as a whole i have no idea who the “group consensus” at this point would be #i know that (as someone who has outwardly speculated about eden culprit and tried to disprove swap theory) #the fact that this poll is originating on my account (AKA amongst people who are more likely to agree with me) #adds some bias to the results in the favor of eden and probably against someone like j #but hopefully we can get a lot of active fandom people to vote! #i haven't had much luck with polls in the past but maybe this time it'll work out :.) #cw death mention #also hopefully nobody has tried to run this poll before (at least post literature girl insane) #i haven't seen it but if someone has i'm sorry for ripping you off :( i will vote on your poll if it's active and you send it

[starlooove]

No bc fuck tim but it really really bothers me how people ignore his growth like he used to be an asshole and I’ll give tim Stans one thing: now he’s so so so stale but what I disagree with is that this staleness is bc nobody likes him like it’s in fact the exact opposite where everyone likes him so much they dont want to do anything. Even when it’s him surface level challenging Bruce it’s when everyone else is doing it too; but he’s still the backbone of the fam! Etc. and it’s so irritating bc him gaining more compassion and empathy even for people he doesn’t fw is so fun to watch and that’s why the captain boomerang thing was so out of character! (Not in a from the author way but in a tim wouldn’t do that and he and Bruce both knew it which is why it went down like it did. Same way dick killing joker was ooc; not in fanon sense but in a he would hate himself forever for this sense) and speaking of that it’s such an interesting mirror to Bruce who genuinely believes that everyone can grow vs Tim’s it doesn’t matter if they grow it’s not my decision to make like it’s the same but it’s not AND WITH CASS’ IT DOESNT MATTER IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO GROW I WONT DO IT! like ugh. And anyways even when people acknowledge it they boil it down to “Janet and Jack taught him that the capitalist pigs that they are” like no. This is who tim was. Tim was the kind of guy who’d blame a dead kid for dying. That’s ok. Also Janet and Jack? Please reread anything involving them that’s not a fic like Jack had anger issues and they were both aloof at worst like relax.

#the Jack and Janet thing is both an understatement and an exaggeration but I don’t think anyone reads enough to care #some tim stan might get all pissy and be like ‘no look this is everytime jack yelled at him and boarding schools are abusive’ to which #and its like narratively that means nothing bc the tim you made up to justify the Drake parents you made up by blowing shit out of #proportion is also made up and if all of that was abusive there’d be smth to show for it besides ur homophobic Jack #too girlboss to care but still terrible Janet bc god forbid a woman have a personality from ur fics #anyways that’s also the reason I’m ignoring the council of spiders #well two reasons #first is that was just a moment to make tim look cool and did absolutely nothing for him or his character moving on #like at all #I’d say it fucked with his previous established dislike of killing for his own reasons #and while that COULD be interesting it’s not bc they didn’t do shit with it #and fanon doesn’t do fun shit with it either #nothing about how tim in his most manic state did shit he doesn’t want to remember shit he’d HATE other ppl for #just “’remember what I did to ur base Ra’s? mess with me again and see what I do next 😼’ #like ok can you be real and genuine? #anyways I think #AND NOT IN A HATER WAY #Tim would benefit from being humbled #like genuinely I detest the world can’t move without tim running it but the idea that tim thinks that way is so good to me #and #I think next step being him realizing that’s not true would be a BIG push for his character #bc like I said tim Stans are right in the fact that he’s stale as hell rn #but that’s bc there’s nothing to say bc there’s nowhere to go! y’all want a tim action story where he shows off how badass he is reread #the Bruce quest and maybe it’ll remind you he’s not ceo lmao but anyways there’s nothing internal to say about him atp bc nobody wants to #say anything that’s not propping him up. same with Bruce! Gotham war was such a copout but it’s like ppl are saying he’s stale and it’s bc #god forbid he makes a lasting fumble. and I’m not under the illusion this is new I’m just saying it’s weird that fandoms not clocking it #anywayyys I really do like thinking about the No killing rule and how different it manifests for each perosn #like the way each distinct difference tells u so much about them #UGH ONLY SLIGHTLY RELATED BUT DUUUUUKE BEING LIKE IDGAF ABOUT GUNS LIKE UR SO REAAAL #anyways enough tim positivity for today FUCK THAT NIGGA!

[thecruellestmonth]

Normal Batman fans: I don't want to engage with parts of canon in which my fave is an abusive asshole. I choose to engage with other stories instead, and I ignore stories that I dislike.

Nasty toxic Batman fans: Ooh, Bruce is being totally gross again, don't mind if I do~

Good Dad Bruce™ stans: Yes, I fully acknowledge that every single one of Bruce's kids is deeply—at times suicidally—traumatized by his parenting failures in canon, but he is NOT a bad parent! Bruce LOVES his family. Sometimes COMPLICATED PARENTS make their children feel WORTHLESS and ISOLATED, and then don't do anything to fix it! It's totally NATURAL, Bruce is just a COMPLICATED parent! He's COMPLICATED! Bruce LOVES his family. COMPLICATED, I say! NOT ABUSIVE! Would an abusive parent put a hand on his child's shoulder in a vague display of warmth once every few years??? Hm??? Yeah, I DIDN'T THINK SO, YOU STUPID ABUSE VICTIMS!! Bruce LOVES his family. He does nice things—why are you ignoring all the nice things that he's done? He is just an IMPERFECT person, he has made some teeny tiny mistakes repeatedly with 5+ separately acquired children over a twenty-year period. Bruce is just a regular IMPERFECT human being—which means that you critics are the UNREASONABLE MONSTERS imposing PERFECTIONIST standards on a poor innocent middle-aged baby adult man! Bruce LOVES his family. How could we expect exceptionally privileged hyperintelligent parents NOT to regularly use their position of power to make 4-6 children feel inadequate, unsafe, and alone?? What ridiculously high standards! Bruce LOVES his family.

#I hope you impressionable youngsters are learning the warning signs of abusive families and cults during your time in this fandom. #Bruce Wayne hate club #COMPLICATED PARENT BRUCE WAYNE #You know I personally like my own cobbled version of Bruce Wayne too. I like to ignore canon as I please. #But some of you stans work overtime to come up with the cruelest most hurtful insensitive and vomit-inducing IGNORANT opinions about abuse. #So eager to sanitize decades of a grown rich white male hero living his power fantasy on the backs of vulnerable and traumatized kids #--in your zeal to make sure that the world's most popular superhero doesn't suffer a whisper of criticism-- #you choose to echo the excuses given to powerful people who use their power to hurt and control smaller people. #'He is complicated—' His behavior is abusive. #'He didn't intend to—' He did something abusive. #'But he LOVES his family!' He is an abusive piece of shit and he needs to do better. #'Well he is just an imperfect human—' Nobody is asking him to be perfect. Not everyone perpetuates abuse and refuses to change. #'But you have to understand that he had a very terrible childhood.' Every single one of his kids has had an inarguably worse childhood. #'Hm. That version of Bruce really is an abusive asshole. My homebrew isn't and he wouldn't do that.' DING DING DING! WINNER WINNER! 🥳👑👑👑 #'Bruce is an abusive asshole. He is the perfect meow meow for my fiction about toxic families and dark themes.' YES. YOU WIN. 💗👏👏👏😘😘😘 #IMPERFECT PARENT BRUCE WAYNE #negativity #fandom discourse #anti Bruce Wayne #child abuse mention cw #The funny thing is that this blog discusses Jason Todd the most but I'd say he probably suffered the least abuse. #At least he's a villain. What is Bruce's excuse for the way he mistreats and neglects the others?

[queermania]

Why does everybody hate Berens? What did he do?

apart from the j1/w*ncest crowd, i don't think people really do at all. he's kind of beloved in fandom. there is a (very small) group of us hellers, however, who have noticed that he is largely responsible for some of our least favorite things in dabb era specifically (but really just in general with how he writes). most of the angry!dean stuff comes from his episodes (he seems to be under the impression that dean is just angry and there's nothing else to it which is in stark contrast with the general dean thesis of 'i'm not mad. i'm worried.'). he also wouldn't know subtlety and nuance if it hit him over the head. and then there's all the racism, most specifically in regards to kaia, but it's in other places too. the racism is obviously the biggest issue, but it kind of gets glossed over for reasons i can only guess at but i'm sure include 'omg he's the destiel warrior! we wouldn't have destiel without him!' (which is simply not true. does robbie 'goodbye stranger' thompson mean nothing to you?)

#replies #anonymous #this isnt to say he hasnt written anything good or that ive disliked it all #for example heaven cant wait would be perfectly fine (excellent even) if dean didnt show up #acting like minimum wage jobs were beneath him and like he didnt understand cas' struggles #he gave us alex and patience #he gave us the 'i hate you and i love you' speech #he gave us dean praying to cas in purgatory #he also gave us serial killer enthusiast sam which is AMAZING #but like. for me. the stuff that i dislike far outweighs the stuff that i do like #and despite nobody else really writing dean the way that he did #his version seems to have shaped the fandom narrative and it's exhausting

[darkfires]

you guys just don't know how to write angst anymore. putting people who say they like "toxic yaoi" in my dni cause they have no idea how to actually write toxicity

#I feel like a lot of this toxic blah blah stuff is fancy internet lingo to avoid accusations that you just enjoy abusive dynamics #without actually developing them or doing anything interesting. like if you're gonna say you love toxicity and codependency #and then just make fluff and smut about it without actually taking the time to explore and deconstruct it #then you're romanticizing it. are you not? #especially when the pairing in question has had extremely negative (beyond the scope of basic enemies to lovers) encounters in canon #just because you're using cutesy tumblr.com lingo doesn't mean you're absolved of actual development #and I'm saying this as someone who really likes this kind of trope because it gives room for monumental character exploration #and as a victim of abuse myself. I'm not saying write an essay I'm just saying why hype up how toxic and shitty they are for each other #just to turn it into fluff/a meme. like the actual negative parts of the dynamic don't matter? I though you guys condemned romanticization. #it's genuinely fascinating how the internet will deem one pairing abusive and bad but another with the same dynamic is just toxic yaoi? #I'm not sure where the line is drawn but you can't have your cake and eat it too. #and if you're going to try tackling a dynamic that's heavily abusive (“toxic”) then you can at least try to #justify it in a way that isn't just 'um well funny fandom meme ☝️' #you just want to skip all the development and get straight to the gushy parts? fine. not saying you can't. I can't tell you what to do. #but it does massively cheapen the dynamic and make it seem like you don't actually care about the characters you just want to ship somethin #I HATE CANON X CANON!! #slash nobody here #decrees

[runawaymun]

Omg thanks fro reminding me about haladriel.... I tolerate trop, even enjoyed some bits of it but dear god not the haladriel shippers😭 I have the entire trop tag excluded in my Ao3 for my own sanity.

i'm so sorry for reminding you. I, too, wish I could forget about it. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 you're really valid for that. I'm pro-ROP and I love the fic (and write some obvs obvs) but it is so...disheartening...to see the total number of ROP fics on the archive literally get cut in half the second you exclude all iterations of the h*ladriel tag.

#anti haladriel #cw trop #cw the rings of power #this is a h*ladriel hate blog now #(I JEST!! I JEST!!! nobody come for me I'll bite you) #and really it's more than that bc the h*ladriel girlies are bad at tagging things properly #and so it truly is impossible to get away from in this fandom

[aengelren]

Aot was never about ships*sniff*the fans ruined it, not that i care*wipes tears*

#but when a ship is canon..is that not a part of the story? #please save Aot from these people pleaseeee #how many blogs do i have to block like y’all whine daily abt this u hate it but can’t keep it out of your mouth #nobody wants you in this fandom you’re tainting our names #euw #anyways Aot stans are hot #and loving #and I’ve had so much fun with them #see the beauty in the cruel word🩰 #okay really goodnight

[cheesydelphox]

i feel like tumblr is a safe enough place for me to post my lyonbolt art

#considered doing it on twitter but decided against it for fear of being harassed #they just don't get my creativity #why ship main characters with established relationships when you can ship side characters who've never interacted #please don't yell at me for this :))))) i really hate how toxic this fandom can be when it comes to stripey man in particular uhm #if you don't like it please block me instead of harassing me or posting about it on other accounts #for my non ft moots: this isn't a pr/ship: it's a crackship with two characters that have never interacted and the one on the right #is hated by everyone but me and like. a few other people #i hope nobody accuses me of being a pr/shipper because i am. not that. #i love writing essays in the tags #fairy tail #lyon vastia #mest fairy tail #mest gryder #crackship

[burtonbabygirlguster]

people ignore jonathans trauma because he’s not pretty enough, and people ignore steves trauma because he’s too pretty

#when i say people i mean large chunks of the fandom as a whole #the fandom mainly hates on jonathan #but also loves steve and often times reduce him to the pretty dumb guy #make sense? #because huge chucks of the fandom dont care #nobody really ever will since its not the common thing #not saying people dont talk about it #just saying that not ENOUGH people talk about it for either to be recognized apart from the small chunk of people #it needs to be a chain reaction and theres just not enough people to start that chain for the main fandom to care #jonathan byers #steve harrington #stranger things

[disappearinginq]

I hate liking a show enough to want to find media on it, but the "media" is so alienating and hostile that it also kinda makes me not want to watch the show.

#I know I say I hate ships and romance #what I really hate is the fandoms behind them #because 99.99999% of the time they're fucking psychotic #and drag their issues into every interaction between characters and froth at the mouth #as soon as anyone says anything that might vaguely further their delusion #and not only are they dicks to other fans but they're dicks to the actors #people want to rant about queerbaiting when it's the fandom twisting everything #like jesus do you have friends do you like at your friends with fondness or platonic love #or is everyone only valuable to you if you can fuck them #I see why the generation behind me has issues maintaining friendships #One: they're absolutionists- there is no gray area and everything is some weird puritanical viewpoint #and two: they're just bad people who do bad things to others and then wonder why nobody wants to be around them anymore #and yes this is a specific fandom but I am not tagging it because I Do Not Like Them

[swiftfootedachilles]

hey you were wondering so i wanted to let you know that nobody has talked about you in either of the servers. and i know it's really tough when the blocks come from people you really like or were previously friendly with, but i think a lot of people block not because they hate you or even anything close to that. but just because they're not wanting to see the things you post about. i hope this makes you feel a little bit better, but i do really understand why it feels bad man, hang in there!

thank you i was genuinely wondering if someone had said something because it seems all of these users blocked me around the same time

but the thing is my content hasnt changed at all recently. i post the same stuff i always do. some of these users didn't follow me and never interacted with my posts in the first place, so it sucks that i cant look at their blogs anymore because i was a genuine fan of their content. some of them are people who were mutuals with me and have even interacted with me countless times, saying they love my blog and enjoy talking to me. im just not sure what happened but from my perspective, it feels like a switch has been flipped. one day i was a normal member of the fandom, the next im the social pariah. i just cant help but wonder what i did to earn so much backlash

#like is this seriously all because a month ago i said s11 ian should be drawn with body fat? #that's literally the last hot take ive posted. and i personally find it to be ice cold #i genuinely dont understand like is this a zoomer thing am i obsessed with how strangers on the internet see me #i hate to sit here and wine and cry to my dozens of still active and very sweet followers over being blocked by some strangers #but i genuinely have nobody irl that knows me for who i am and cares about me so yeah i rely on this website for validation a lot #i can only be myself here and every time in ny entire fucking life ive tried to be myself i get rejected #its not about the fandom or the people even its about my inability to be rejected by those i feel are in an elite class to myself #rjs will really have you rolling on the floor sobbing throwing up over getting blocked on The Blocking Website #asks #anonymous #sorry for those who followed me for shameless stuff the past year but heres your reminder that my blog is mostly just mental breakdowns #all i do is open this app to bitch and complain tbh

[corvidcall]

sucks i was like "i gotta get off social media because its making me want to k my own s" right before the preview panel at magiccon chicago and i wanna see posts about the new stuff!!!!! my life is so hard

#anime life #but ALSO being on here is still making me want to k my own s!!!!!! #it really just feeds into the worst parts of my mental illness where i constantly feel like im being watched #i feel like everyone is watching me and judging me and everything i do reaffirms to them that they were right to hate me #and then whenever i come back i see everyone else still having fun and it makes me feel like. oh nobody notices when im gone anyway #they're probably happier because they don't have to deal with me bringing them down #that's not true!!! i assume anyway. because that's pure silly sauce #but ah well. so it goes #fandoms willl carry on without me and my absence will not be overly noticed and that is simply the way of things #time to go back to reading the mtg story and watching game grumps

[benetnvsch]

ooooh about to become a sigzai shipper Out Of Spite LMAO

#ISTG I am the monoshipper Ever #once I find a ship I like thats it for those characters but MAN Those s/kk-ers tm are really getting on my- #nerves aaa :') - #saw someone on twt try and say that other d-zai ships diss on s/ kk more than they do on other d-zai ships which??? #No Way #S/kkers have EVERYTHING in this fandom - U can't even post other d-zai ships with those silly 'what about ch-ya' or #'aw ch-ya is sad now :(' or 'this is cute but not s/ kk' comments like stfu FKJHFKJHF- #I Have Even gotten Anon hate for some of my knk/dz arts which is INSANE cuz im a Nobody Artist And hardly even post serious knk/dz #I don't even have 100 followers EHRE WHAT- #but yeah #my entire twitter homepage is S/kk shippers bashing on s-gzai ones for bashing on s/kk shippers which???? #not saying ship hate is cool but they were complaining cuz people were saying that exact shit about abt it and even editing ch-ya into s-gm #place in the new episode like? maybe it makes sense for them to be complaining about that- #please chill for one second and recognize that even though ur 'one of the good ones' there still an overwhelmingly high and LOUD amount of #s/kk shippers who are so vocal and so rude to any other shipper good heaven DKJHFK #all of this is fairly /lh its just so silly it makes my head hurt #people take shipping way too serious as long as it's hurting anyone let #ppl have fun and be silly :'p