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Exposing SVSSS Fanon: 25/∞

VIOLENCE AS COURTSHIP IS A PART OF DEMON CULTURE

Rating: CANON

A nearly universal trope, especially in Moshang fics, is the fact that courtship is performed through violence in demon culture, and that the misunderstandings between the pair are because of cultural differences. The fact that demons mistreat the targets of their affection is canon, however, it is important for fans to note that this sort of characterization and worldbuilding is rooted in racial and ethnic stereotypes.

This is one of the most-requested topics I've ever written on this blog, and I took a long time to think about how best to approach the subject in a way that both keeps to the intention of this blog (referencing canon & providing quotes) as well as raising awareness to the very real problematic aspects of what is a well-loved and often-used trope in fanon that I don't think most western fans are aware of.

First, the canon analysis:

“If you hold unique feelings for a certain person, how can you make them understand your intentions?” Luo Binghe asked. Obviously, no one dared to tear down Luo Binghe’s facade and expose him directly, but this question was really very…unsuited to the demonic approach. After a long moment, not a single person had answered. In fact, the answer was so simple that any normal human could have given it to you. If you liked someone, you should just tell them. Unfortunately, there was not a single “normal” person on the scene—and aside from Shang Qinghua, there also were no “humans” either. Mobei-Jun thought about it. With the paths his mind was given to take, there was no telling how he had interpreted “unique” feelings. “Beat them up three times a day?” (7 Seas, Ch. 26)

Most of the fandom remembers this passage, and some may think that this is where the interpretation of violence as courtship comes from-- however, that is not the case. This passage might actually not refer to courtship at all-- while that is one possible interpretation, Mobei-jun could also be interpreting "unique feelings" to mean something different than "romantic feelings," since Luo Binghe didn't specify romance directly.

The "violent demonic courtship" idea actually originates much earlier in the novel, just after the invasion of Qiong Ding Peak:

In truth, Shen Qingqiu didn’t intend to tease; he thought himself very straightforward. The one who’d tampered with Luo Binghe’s dream realm was Sha Hualing. Though she did have some harmful intentions, her underlying motive was obvious. Naturally, she was driven by a young girl’s secret yearning for love. Otherwise, she would have directed her aggressions toward others, not specifically Luo Binghe. Demons were compelled to viciously bully the person they liked. Only if the object of their affections failed to die would the demon accept them. If their target died, that meant they were useless and not worth nursing any lingering affections for. (7 Seas, Ch. 3)

This, in fact, has somewhat more serious connotations than the way I have often seen it interpreted in fanworks-- it is not merely beating up a potential partner, but pushing them to their limits, nearly driving them to death, and it is certainly implied that it is not uncommon for the object of a demon's affections to actually die.

Now that the canonical basis of the idea has been established, let us move on to the second, and arguably more important part of this post: the racism.

I would like to add a disclaimer here-- I am going to discuss this in hopes of raising more awareness in the fandom, but I am not North/West/Central Asian myself, so I will only mention things in brief and somewhat generally-- if anyone who belongs to the affected cultures would like to make corrections, or more detailed explanations, or any other additions to this post on this topic, I greatly welcome that, as I feel it is an important issue that should be addressed.

In Chinese fiction, particularly fantasy genres like xianxia/xuanhuan/xiuzhen, but also in historical and wuxia fiction, there is a pervasive, prevalent tendency for authors to use racial and ethnic stereotypes against Central, Northern, and Western Asian cultures such as Mongolian & Arab cultures in their worldbuilding regarding the North, while stereotypes against Southeast Asian cultures are used in worldbuilding regarding the South. These stereotypes are most typically applied to villains and villainous groups, and are so widespread as to be ubiquitous within the genre. MXTX has used these tropes before-- notably with the Banyue people in TGCF, with adaptations of both TGCF and MDZS including design stereotypes, such as CQL's portrayal of the Qinghe Nie (combining their tendency toward violence and 'unnatural' cultivation method, with design traits typically associated with Northern/Central Asian cultures).

It is worth noting, though, that most authors do not intentionally use these traits as racist stereotypes in their worldbuilding, especially when regarding a non-human species-- in the same way that western fantasy authors use goblin and orc characters and tropes without realizing or acknowledging their racist origins and connotiations, these stereotypes have simply become genre tropes without that direct connection to their origins. Nonetheless, it is still worth noting-- and worth trying not to fall into the trap of leaning into stereotypical traits in fanworks' character portrayals.

Stereotypes include but are not limited to barbaric and brutish cultural traits, association with animals/having animal features, dark or corrupt magical/spiritual practices, certain types of braided hairstyles & other fashion choices, and originating from the far north or south.

Some of the prejudice and stereotyping of Northern Asian cultures likely originates from the fact that in the past, China was invaded and subjugated by peoples from the north (under Mongolian rule during the Yuan dynasty, and under Manchurian rule during the Qing dynasty) as well as having many conflicts with these peoples throughout history. In fact, the Qing dynasty only ended in the early 1900s, so some of this oppression is still in recent memory-- nonetheless, people belonging to ethnic minorities in China are still affected by this negative stereotyping today, so regardless of the origin, racism is still racism and should be addressed, and China today is a majority Han Chinese nation-- even if Han Chinese are considered a minority and affected by systemic racism in other places in the world.

Additionally, many tropes specifically applied to the southern demons, but also used for demon culture as a whole, are tied to stereotypical portrayals of Southeast Asian culture, which is rooted in a long history of Imperial China's invasion and oppression.

All of those stereotypes listed above apply to SVSSS' demon culture. Even in Mobei-jun's name-- 漠北 meaning "northern desert," which is the real-world name for a region in the north of the Gobi desert in Mongolia.

Therefore, it is important to remember that though violence-as-courtship in demon culture is canonical within SVSSS' setting, it nonetheless originates from harmful racial and ethnic stereotypes. It would be a good idea for fans to keep this in mind when creating their fanworks, and to treat the topic with sensitivity-- but I will leave any direct suggestions on how to handle this to those who are actually part of the affected groups.

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(thanks to @flidgetjerome for additional notes regarding SEAsian stereotyping and author intent!)

#svsss #fanon exposed #svsss demon culture #mobei jun #canon #I don't know if I did a good job addressing the sensitive topics here so please feel free to correct anything I got wrong #or if I've overstepped anywhere #i just want to use the platform i have to bring this to the western fandom's attention since i don't think it's widely known #i will very gladly reblog any additions from fans who wish to weigh in but definitely don't feel pressured to do so

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avacadokin · 6 months

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ok fitpac wilbur thoughts bc i havent seen people talk about it

lots of people (me included) thought that fit was gonna be jealous of wilbur cuz pac is such a huge fan but he wasn't really

he gave pac (genuine) advice on how to act/keep cool and reassured him. when talking to his chat he said "wilbur better log on because i promised pac he would"

bro's care for pac supersedes his jealousy, he wants pac to be happy in whatever form it takes

also it might be that he didn't see wilbur as "competition" unlike the last time his jealous streak flared up when tubbo was doing casulaonas on pac's lap. (epic, emotional maturity!)

fit is incredibly against being attached to things (just today he refused to name his parrot bc of that) so his hesitance to do anything romantic with pac could be read as mostly self-protection, but this shows that his reluctance is not just that, its also genuine care and consideration for pac, because if it was just from a self-serving place it would be optimal to sabotage pac and wilbur's potential friendship/relationship, but he didn't because he cares

#fitpac #qsmp #i have many thoughts plz send asks if you want to know things #not a reblog #hide duo #hideduo #qfitmc #q fit #q fitmc #pactw #q pac #qsmp tazercraft #pac tazercraft #fitmc #qsmp wilbur #<mostly a mention but for blocking and bc i like attention

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drakkonyan · 3 months

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finally did some good art, enjoy ya animals/aff

#ace attorney #apollo justice #trucy wright #klavier gavin #klapollo #my art #fanart #yall better give this at leats 1/5th of the attention that narumitsu family shitpost got yknow?#joking idc lol #reblog what yall want besties #singles kraft forehead #lol #edited because i am STUPID and part of the background was erased so i had to fix that #also i forgor to paint his bracelet in the cheese one

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givemeureyes · 11 months

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(side note i did not add destiel because, i mean cmon. i gotta give the other ones a chance at least)

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nkogneatho · 5 months

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reminder that numbers and notes do not define your writing. i want you to stop limiting yourself. when you write freely, you don't care about how it will do on tumblr or how many notes it will get. you do it for yourself because you always wanted to write it. trust me on this because the best fic i've written is at 227 notes but a random headcanon got 13k. but you know what? in the end, i always find myself thinking about the reblogs and comments under the 227 one. so don't let the numbers get to your head. you are amazing.

#when i was younger on tumblr in 2020 i made a post and it got attention and i liked that feeling because it validated me #so i started overworking and getting frustrated thinking maybe i am not enough if smtg didn't get the numbers i wanted #but it's been 3 years and my perspective has changed. i read a stsg and csm fic that had like notes under 100 #but they were so beautiful and it made me sob it didn't have more notes because they were amazing. my moots wrote them #so i left all my love in the reblog and then they responded w so much luv and gratitude that i understood it is never about the numbers #pasi.txt

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chaosnightmare · 1 year

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i feel bad for the people i see who don't know much about sonic and assume shadow is like some hypermasculine manly hardass dude character. not the case

#chaoscontrol #sonic #sth #people are reblogging a version of this where 'proof' of his femininity is given through taylor swift so the post is over and youre done #behave or die #please do not add on to my posts about a character i love and care about attempting to joke about his presentation #by bringing up attempted corporate-interested celebrity attention campaigns via twitter #with a woman who creates more harmful environmentally damaging emissions from her private jet than entire countries #just because you think it somehow proves he's like your gayby softboy or whatever. you are making this actively unfun #and i do not want to be involved in it.

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housewifebuck · 4 months

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ANNOUNCEMENT!!!!! I am so very excited to say I finally got my Etsy shop up!!! this means I can finally accept international orders !!! I have some of my hats listed now and ill be adding more + some bags and cat toys soon.

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tagging some mutuals if anyone wants to rb<3

@shitouttabuck @eddiebabygirldiaz @eddiediaaz @therapizededdie @bigfootsmom @thewolvesof1998 @athenagranted @monsterrae1 @poughkeepsies @bigassbowlingballhead @diazass @swiftfootedachilles @dykedoctorfifteen @bvckandeddie @buck2eddie @comfortbuddie @bucksbignaturals @steadfastsaturnsrings @chimneysrebarscar @jeeyuns @honestlystephanie @thequeenofcarvenstone @underwater-ninja-13 @devirnis @excuseme-greentea @lover-of-mine @eightpackdiaz @santadiazz @gayhoediaz @dontneedmyheart

#sorry for harassing everyone but I want attention #craftposting #personal #no pressure but also please reblog this

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umberpath · 27 days

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(crusty 15min phone doodle) been replaying the Curious Village, Layton is SUCH a charming gentleman haha

#he's very polite and takes things in stride #i want to play the other games some day #drawings #professor layton #edit: oh my this got more attention than I expected. turning reblogs off thank you everyone

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onepiece-polls · 4 months

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OPLA fan cast polls - Top 10 winners!

By far most of the submitted fancasts were accepted by the fans, having had a minimum of 50% yay votes. But which fancasts had the most fans behind them? Here is the top 10!

10. Karen Fukuhara as Tashigi with 82.4% of the votes.

Her experience with martial arts and sword fighting might have convinced the fans who weren't familiar with her previous roles yet!

9. Rhey Ripley as Charlotte Smoothie with 82.5% of the votes.

Her wrestler build probably convinced a lot of people she could pull this off. And maybe the lesbians went wild about her.

8. Peter Capaldi as Dr Hiriluk with 84% of the votes.

Once a doctor... (also, he just kinda looks like him)

7. Alexander Siddig as Nefertari Cobra with 84.5% of the votes.

This Sudanese actor convinced the fans that he could play another desert kingdom ruler!

6. Amber Midthunder as Laki with 85% of the votes.

With only 1 vote really against her (we will find you and hunt you down 😛), the fans think this native American actress is perfect to play Laki!

5. Jamie Lee Curtis as Kureha with 87% of the votes.

With by far the most submissions, I had expected her to come out on top, but 5th place isn't bad at all either! Besides, she has practically been cast already, and the fans seem to agree! If someone else gets cast after all, there'd better be a real good reason for that!

4. Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson as Brogy with 88.1% of the votes.

This tall strongman from Iceland seemed the perfect fit for the friendly giant!

3. Kevin Chamberlin as Tom with 89.1% of the votes.

Tom's a fishman, Kevin is human. And yet, look at their faces: the same. The fans could do nothing but agree with this fan cast (though they would also love him as Wapol).

2. Michael Jai White as Ohm with 89.8% of the votes.

Corporate needs you to find the differences between these two pictures.

The fans: "They're the same picture."

No one voted against this fan cast, so in that aspect you could say he should be the winner! However, a few more people needed to be convinced, compared to the number one...

And the winner...

1. Javicia Leslie as Miss Doublefinger with 92.9% of the votes!

Her looks, her acting experience (as Batwoman for example), and her experience with different (combat) sports have convinced almost all of the fans that she is a perfect fit! We are looking forward to see Javicia as Miss Doublefinger in the next season (?) of the One Piece Live Action!

Thank you all for submitting your fancasts and for voting on these polls! ❤

#one piece #opla #one piece live action #opla fan cast polls #results reblog #winners post #yes you'll still get the jack black poll #but none of his characters got a high enough percentage to come close to top 10 so I wanted to post this first #half of these winners have a chance to appear in the next season (if next season is the Alabasta saga)#Tashigi and Kureha should appear at least or else I don't know what they're doing with the next season #netflix pay attention 😛#I might tag netflix 🙈

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daylighteclipsed · 3 months

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Blaming KH2 Sora’s anger and aggression all on Roxas really downplays how ready to throw hands Sora is in KH1 and CoM.

#also ignores rage form in kh3 obviously #but I’m talking about sora pre-roxas #i see this take so much and I’m like convinced ppl don’t pay attention to sora in kh1 or com #or they just take what diz/ansem the wise says about sora needing more anger in his heart at face value #even though ATW never knows what tf he’s talking about #my man was wrong about everything in kh2 why would you believe him #sure roxas unsettled in sora’s heart probably played a part #but it’s not all on him be so serious now #anyway. ppl keep reblogging that post from me even though I’m not the op #keep seeing ‘sora wants to kill so bad’ too #and like #i don’t know how to break this to you but sora has killed already #that’s a pretty significant thing that happens in every game #like i understand where you’re coming from but sora very much has killed people

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newtlesbian · 9 months

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going further. franks child self was living in that one room with a strange weirdo boy he dreamed up but never really had. now his inner child isn’t alone anymore. he plays games with his real charlie in their terrible one room apartment. getting weird with it and being okay with being weird no matter what everyone on the outside might think. sharing a bed together to feel the comfort in being close to that

macs child self had charlie the whole time. inseparable. a package deal. the most genuine connection and comfort in both of their neglected tiny lives. not just because they were otherwise alone. decades later theyre not going anywhere. now their inner child rides bikes together they throw rocks at trains together they teach each other about the world just like they needed so desperately in old times

dennis’ child self never had charlie. not until highschool. but that was exactly when he experienced his csa. his inner child found charlie at the exact right moment. caught him when he fell. he got his child self back through charlie just as he lost feeling. and now what do the two of them do together? they go recreate memories and recapture lost youth with a mutual unspoken understanding of why

they all need charlie. relaxing into his genuine youthful energy lets them feel that way again.

#iasip #charlie kelly #:) the first one is the ‘playing together in this room all day’ from the last post i wanted to make it clearer #i wrote a part about dee but i decided its better to reblog with comment instead of one post #because this feels so good to me. so nice to think about him being uplifting. but not possible to ignore the darker aspects of his childhood #give you options #delicate.#im trying to be cautious #but you cant talk about the gang without dee and you cant talk about child selves without trauma. its not Honest not Authentic not Genuine #it does feel sad its kinda tough to touch on it. delicate yk yk #but she seeks charlies natural lack of ambition and a brother who doesnt push her to prop himself up #dees brother fought her and charlies sisters fought him. both cases about superiority. dee fights back charlie ignores #csa warning #kid selves #frank reynolds #bc theres no attention paid to him

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canonkiller · 2 months

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knowing what is going on in the world and helping those in need in the ways you can is incredibly important. that being said: can we please have fewer horrors. I think there's been enough of it. I would like there to be justice and I would like there to be fucking rest

#reblogs are off because this is still a Dramatic Simplification of it and because i don't want this to cone across as #something im posting to get brownie points or an encouragement to pay less attention #not art

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tribow · 1 year

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Why do I tell people to play indie games?

K' so you may have seen that post I made a little while ago asking people reblog and put into the tags an indie game that they did NOT like.

I made that post because I wanted to hear about what indie games people had bad experiences with. There was another post I made saying "Tell me you don't play indie games without telling me you don't play indie games" in response to a ton of youtube videos saying modern video games are no longer fun. A lot of tags would say, "Well indie games can suck too!" This response was extremely silly to me and I wanted to know what games they could be talking about.

I didn't ask for it, but so many people starting explaining why they didn't like a certain game. So I decided to make a little pie chart with the reason people would give in the tags

There are some outliers not here. There were 5 tags saying a game offended them and some responses that were too specific to really count. Half of the posts also gave no explanations so I'm not going to act like this is representative of every response on that post.

Okay so what's the point? Why did I do this?

There's this one 30 minute video by Josh Strife Hayes that does a super good job showcasing all of the bad practices that happen with modern gaming. He talks about each issue thoroughly, but I'll list them here:

Microtransactions, Limited Progression, Invite Boosts, Premium Currency, Loyalty Programs, Selling Power, Battlepasses, and Selling Progression

He doesn't even mention other issues like games releasing in clearly unfinished states, games that are clearly chasing trends, and game developers being restricted by their publishers.

Why is this significant? Well answer me this: Was there a single tag response in my post that complains about an indie game doing these things?

Say what you want about indie games, but I bet you didn't pay $60 and got psychologically manipulated to spend more on that game. I bet you weren't getting manipulated by some free to play model to spend more money than you would on a normal game. I bet the game actually released in a finished state and even if it did, the game clearly communicated it wasn't done.

Sure, you could give me examples of indie games that do have those bad practices, but I guarantee you that you cannot prove that most indie games do this.

So yeah, play indie games. Don't support corporate bullshit unless you know the game was made with the player's best interest in mind.