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My lady noire redesign.
I don’t think the original design was necessarily bad but I did have a few issues with it.
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For one I don’t love the braid instead of the belt, mostly because the belt moves like a tail on chat noir and I don’t remember the braid working the same way so it’s not as expressive ( I might be wrong but I think it just hangs), and while it was kinda cute I had the idea to have like small black ribbons on her pigtails that resemble whiskers so I scrapped the braid entirely. For the tail I made a sash/belt thing instead.
Another thing I really didn’t like was how she had itty bitty claws that you could barely see. I want her to have big sharp claws at least as big as chats.
As for the colors I like the green in that it is part of the black cats color scheme but I think the blue would make it more her own. We’ve also seen with kitty noir that the eyes don’t necessarily need to be green. I did make a green version since I do kind of like it. I honestly don’t know what I prefer.
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Finally I did not like how boring and plain her suit is especially compared to chats which has all sorts of textures and details (wrist cuffs, bell, boots, belt, pockets, sectioned parts, etc)
So I added a few more details plus some interest to the mask.
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I also made her top lip black, kinda Kim possible style.
Overall I’m pretty happy with my redesign, she feels more like marinette to me.
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friendfromdsmp · 10 months
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Is it only my impression, or in Miraculous Chat Noir is allowed to critizice Ladybug, but Ladybug is not allowed to criticize Chat Noir?
I completely agree and I think a big part of that comes down to the way the way the writers view Marinette and Adrien respectively; Marinette is supposed to learn a lesson in every episode and as she’s always been the one actively trying to advance the love square before the writers are ready for that, she has to fail often and make a lot of mistakes that are often played for comedy by the writers and the characters around her (before we’re suddenly told we’re now making fun of her trauma which is bad but I digress) whereas Adrien has always been considered by the writers to be ‘perfect’ and ‘he’s not flawed - the world is’, with even the characters in-universe referring to Adrien as ‘perfection personified’ and such
As a consequence, Marinette is often portrayed as in the wrong, even when the universe bends over backwards to make it so, whereas Adrien can’t be criticised and thus becomes a bit of a stagnant character because perfection doesn’t allow room to grow
I think that the LadyNoir dynamic does allow for playful criticism between the pair, granting us Ladybug banter such as “I’m not interested in your poetry, but I do find your foolishness incredibly powerful!”, “Because [the Ladybug Miraculous] requires a sense of responsibility~?”, “I had it under control *smacks Chat’s head* but thanks”, etc etc
But beyond the obviously playful banter that Chat returns in spades constantly, there’s definitely a theme of Chat Noir consistently mucking about in battle, often leading to either himself or someone else getting incapacitated or some other reckless and/or generally unhelpful issue caused, Ladybug getting annoyed at him and Chat giving some retort to poke fun at or pacify her rather than addressing the issue at hand. I mean, the start of Reflekdoll is a perfect example; Ladybug is calling Chat Noir out on pulling a prank in the middle of battle that almost caused her Lucky Charm to fail, with Chat Noir simply joking around and calling her no fun and a stick in the mud. I get that he’s not gonna be the most responsible and focused constantly, neither of them are, they’re fourteen. But there’s a difference between a quick pun while fighting and a prank on your partner while she’s already running on less than five minutes before she transforms back, trying to focus on a very serious problem and the prank being enough to put their entire mission in jeopardy. Play about and joke around all you want, we don’t care if you screw around on the job, but make sure you don’t actively work against said job while you do it!
And then afterwards the pair have a bit of a personality swap as well now that they swap Miraculous, with Adrien as Mister Bug being forced to step up since he now has the Miraculous that, in the nicest way possible, requires hard work and effort to use, whereas Marinette as Lady Noire is now freed from that burden and can use the comparatively simplistic power of just tapping whatever she wants to destroy and watching it happen, the most effort she has to put in with that is simply getting close enough to the desired object in order to touch it without touching anything else between activating her power and using it. So of course Mister Bug, used to slacking off and playing about, is a little overwhelmed in a situation where he’s the strategist rather than the support while Lady Noire, still a little annoyed by their earlier discussion, was happy to actively reverse the roles, taking time to play about and make quips at Mister Bug’s expense. Even making a joke that wearing the Black Cat suit/being in Chat’s role is “a lot lighter on the shoulders”, aka making a jab at Chat never having a sense of responsibility and thus the ‘weight being lifted off her shoulders’ now that she’s taking over his end of the load
The fan reactions to this episode were very telling; a lot of people were saying that Lady Noire was being rude and unhelpful and cruel to Mister Bug, which is hilarious since they actively, verbally clarified multiple times in the episode that both heroes were starting to act like each other now that the roles were reversed; Lady Noire was now “wearing the clown costume” and no longer a stick in the mud like Chat Noir complained about while Mister Bug “doesn’t have a sense of humour” and is no longer playing around and not taking things seriously mid-battle like Ladybug complained about
If they were simply acting like each other, why was Lady Noire considered rude and unhelpful for joking around mid-battle whereas Chat Noir is praised for being funny and keeping Ladybug from burning herself out by providing a supposed outlet to stress? If you complain about one, you have to complain about the other, especially since Lady Noire was still helping; she kept explaining how the Lucky Charm worked even when Mister Bug ignored her to prove he knew how to do this better than an experienced, specifically-selected wielder, she helped him think through the Lucky Charm by placing herself in Mister Bug’s shoes and attempting to adapt to his own thought process rather than hers, she repeatedly defended him from attacks while he was struggling to work out the mirror and yo-yo, etc. For all her sarcasm and salty quips, there was never a point where she left Mister Bug high and dry to fend for himself or sat by watching and flirting leisurely while he did all the work
I know I’ve focused a lot on Reflekdoll here since this is the most blatant example of the issue (being that Ladybug was in the right to criticise Chat for risking the fight over a prank while Mister Bug and some viewers criticising Lady Noire for being unhelpful was not only uncalled for but incorrect) but there are certainly many other examples I can think of in which MariBug is blamed for AdriChat’s actions or AdriChat criticises MariBug without good reason or MariBug is seen as rude or otherwise in the wrong for criticising AdriChat despite having legitimate grievances or not having all the info on a situation in which said info was impossible for her to know and/or actively kept from her. Season 4 is a goldmine for this but I know I always make incredibly long rambling posts so I’ll cut things short here, if the long ramble is what people are after feel free to ask for one
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miraculouslycool · 2 years
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I genuinely want to know what was going through their heads when she named him Mister Bug and he named her Lady Noir.
Mister Bug as in, Ladybug's Mister, Ladybug's husband
Lady Noir as in, Chat Noir's LADY Noir
Did they just call each other by their married names and just sidestep it like nothing happened
Which is on brand for them but WHAT
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plumsaffron · 4 months
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When I hear Reflekdoll
All I remember is Marinette being very ugly to Juleka and then ugly to Mr Bug/Cat Noir
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sfigatino · 1 year
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It’s not my fault, it’s not so wrong to wonder why everybody dies…. And when will I?
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shapes-nd-colors · 2 years
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gale-gentlepenguin · 2 years
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Poorly explain Reflektdoll (srry for reminding u of this episode’s existence).
Gale Poorly Explains: Reflekdoll
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(Okay but now for real)
Ladybug: What the f*** chat?
Chat noir: Lol Im quirky
Ladybug: (Insert Nag here)
Chat noir: (Insert douche comment about why she is ladybug and not him)
Ladybug: We are really at our worst today huh?
Chat noir: Absolutely. BTW. clown shoes
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Juleka: ...
Luka: Yes sister, you should follow your dream of modeling. You should ask Marinette. She is apparently one of two personality traits I have. Playing guitar and Liking marinette. Oh wait! And being a good brother. 3 TRAITS. Damn its a great day to be me
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Juleka: ...
Marinette: Of course you can model for me. That would be awesome
Alya: We should also invite Adrien, since he is a model
Adrien: Hey Marinette, sure Ill model
Marinette; (FAINTS FROM EXCESSIVE SIMPING)
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Juleka:...
Marinette: Oh your nervous. Maybe we can wait or do this another..
Alya: OR you can model it instead.
Marinette: But Juleka really wanted...
Alya: (whisper) You gonna pass up modeling with your husbando till the end of the worldo?
Marinette: Yea f*** Juleka's feelings. I will model
Rose: You sure you are okay Juleka?
Juleka: ...
Rose: (julrose sugar with that cheek kiss)
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Hawkmoth: Now time for Mayura's first real fight, by using an akuma and sentimonster that WORK AGAINST US
Mayura: This is really stupid in retrospect
Juleka:...!
Hawkmoth: Hello Reflekta. How would you like a Giant robot?
Juleka:.. Yes
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Tikki: I cant believe they would both stupidly take off their miraculous
Plagg: Well its not like an akuma will attack
(An akuma attacks)
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Misterbug: Oh look due to plot convenience we ended up swapping
Ladynoir: Its a good thing we both werent our miraculous when we got hit or this would have been trouble
Misterbug: Geez it is tough trying to figure out how to do this
Ladynoir: Well your job is f***ing easy. Sucks to suck bugboy
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Ladynoir: Guess I will do my job too since you are just screwing up
Misterbug: We really sound like assholes today
(Ladynoir saves the day)
Mayura: I am not feeling good
Gabriel: Oh no, but I am sure it wont be
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Adrien: Well I learned that I am just not cut out to be ladybug and I should stick to being comic relief
Marinette: I learned nothing from this
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Marinette: I should apologize to you juleka. You wanted to model and I should have been more patient even though it was Alya pushing you to do this
Juleka:...
Adrien: lets all take some photo
(Cue photoshoot)
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zenniaphoenix · 2 years
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It’d be so funny if lucky charm really does give you whatever you want if you ask for something specific, and Marinette just never thought to ask for it, or concentrate on one solution before calling it.
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sunfoxfic · 2 years
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I was wondering what you thought of reflekdoll👉👈 I have, understandably seen a lot of salt for the writing that episode and I am kind of confused since on one hand - people felt that the episode was really harsh on Adrien and didn't show marinette struggling at all and felt that it was the narrative saying that Adrien was less important or "had it easier", and I can 100% see why someone would think that, but I...had the completely opposite takeaway from the episode dgsjjsjshd and I am kinda puzzled now.
There was a point last summer where "Reflekdoll salt" became a legitimate tag because analysis blogs (good analysis blogs run by good people) were arguing over it so much and they collectively decided. Huh. Maybe we should create a way to filter this off of other people's dashes. I've gotten involved in a lot of discourse but I noped straight outta that one and blocked the tag and I actually had it blocked until I recently deleted the tag from my filtered stuff when I was deleting some spoiler tags and didn't bother to put it there.
Which is to say: I don't have much of a horse in that race.
The main thing I'd say is that if you enjoyed the episode, don't feel bad about it. I enjoyed the episode. It's a fun episode with a lot of really good things about it, no matter where you stand in the debate.
I think it would have been better if that hadn't been the first time they tried cataclysm'ing a sentimonster, I'm going to be honest. If there's one thing I could change about it, that would be it. Making it so that both of them "mess up" with their powers, but Lady Noire genuinely inconvenienced them by using her power wrong, and she didn't have the chance to use it "correctly" later because it's a one-time power. They could have presented that in a different way, to where Lady Noire still messed up, but it wasn't out of ignorance, if that makes sense? If they're going to say "Marinette isn't right for the Black Cat Miraculous," they should at least give her a fair chance to show that.
But, ignoring that, I think that Adrien and Marinette might have both come to the conclusion that Chat has it easier than Ladybug, but I don't think the episode actually demonstrated that. What it demonstrated, more than anything, is that they aren't suited well to the other's powers. Lady Noire spent the entire time more involved in the battle plan than Chat would be; Chat spent the entire time trying to turn his power into the one-and-done sort of thing that the Cataclysm is.
Frankly, to me, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with Chat Noir's powers being easier; I just don't. People are going to disagree and that's whatever, but there's nothing wrong with someone having an easier power than someone else. And you have to understand that his job isn't limited to using his power. He's the emotional heart of the team, so giving him the time and space to "clown around," and giving him the easier power so he can do that, makes sense.
Likewise, Ladybug is the logical core of the team, so giving her the power that is more involved makes sense. Maybe simplifying it into "easier" and "harder" isn't exactly accurate, but I don't think anyone should get their titties in a twist even if it is true.
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What’s your opinion on Chat Noir having the reset ability instead of Ladybug since I always thought that ability leans more towards destruction instead of creation (basically he would be like Sailor Saturn) it would put them on more equal ground and make Ladybug less OP. or the reset is their powers combined, which would go with the theme of the balance of light and dark as well
I tend to see so many people ask this or have this view on other blogs, and I will see them say it should've been that way instead. In a way, I kinda do agree. Heck, this is why I loved the kwami swamp in "Reflekdoll" because the personalities just made so much sense. It honestly made me wish Lady Noir and Mister Bug were the permanent heroes instead.
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alishasnoidea · 2 years
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so when i was 12 i was in the middle of a sexuality ciris and was like 'am i actually not straight or is it just THIS PERSON' and then i watched reflekdoll and then i was like 'oh i am definitely bisexual'
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Okay so I’m rewatching Reflekdoll and just
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I need to talk about everything going on here
First, Gorilla is in the picture and throwing up a peace sign, that’s absolutely adorable, especially since he knows Gabriel will be FUMING if he ever sees this picture
Second, UM, ALIX?? She’s just reaching around Marinette’s crush and grabbing a titty?? GIRL. But, I mean, Adrien doesn’t seem to mind, and Marinette’s taking the photo, so I guess get it girl
Third, Alya was so dead set on getting Marinette and Adrien to take photos together that she completely disregarded how much Juleka wanted to do it, but now for this friendly group shot to get them close together she turns down the chance? I mean, Marinette probably wanted a shot of everyone else together for her wall, but are we really gonna believe that Alya wouldn’t insist on getting Marinette in there too? It’s easy enough, just say now let’s see the designer alongside her designs, easy.
This image is just buckwild
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naughty-20 · 1 year
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Nienawiść jednoczy ludzi bardziej niż miłość
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bananagreste · 7 months
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ladynoir, oh, ladynoir ↳ day 377
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mintcroissants · 2 years
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a small doodle I found in my sketchbook
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iwasbored777 · 1 year
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The fandom in season 5: It's unrealistic for Marinette to be so thirsty for a boy like she's thirsty for Chat Noir.
Marinette back in season 3:
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