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wolfnesta · 1 month
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I just want to make sure I’m understood. I dislike Rhys for the position the narrative constantly takes for him not so much his actions. I would not care about his flaws so much if they weren’t constantly praised. Not even looking for accountability necessarily, because *realism* I guess, but really Just some acknowledgment is all. And the opposite is the reason why I will die ferally fighting for my girl Nesta Archeron
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feysandfeels · 2 months
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To me it is very funny how people went from loving loving Rhysand in TAR, MAF and WAR, to hating him in SF, because this is the equivalent of when your crush cuts their hair and you go "oh, maybe it wasn't that serious."
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emeriesmate · 8 months
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Oh yeah. A 14 y/o girl who decided to hunt has indeed been through much worse than her being forced to be kissed, touched and drunk by a man. Her hunting it's so much worse than her being forced to dress in a way that made her very uncomfortable and to dance on the crotch of a man until she threw up. 
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beansidhebumbling · 2 months
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In Oxford they call him the Night Prince, an inside joke transported from the hallowed halls of Eton. His resemblance to some oil painting of a long dead donor is uncanny apparently. Or so Cassian says as he inhales a meat lovers pizza, marinara sauce dripping onto crisp cotton, bloody evidence of their late-night rendevouz seeping into his white shirt.
He calls it a date, eyes soft and hands clumsy.
Nesta calls it research.
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He has gone by many names in this liftetime alone.
His favourite is Rhys but only when moaned by the prettiest woman topside, whose bronze hair clings to damp porcelain skin now, as they lie panting between silk sheets, grey eyes turned towards the damned heavens.
It could be romantic if the stinging smell of holy silver didn't burn from seven different spots in his room alone. How rude of his mate to hide weapons at his home. How rude of his mate to look at a land he cannot enter instead of him and only him.
Only him.
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He lights a cigarette by the corpse. The smell of death and nicotine a heady mix dampened only by disruptive notes of pepperoni.
He doesn't leave until blood has seeped deep into the cobblestones, cooling in the brisk dawn air, until the flayed skin looks less like artwork in the sobering eye of a new day with new problems- mainly her.
This will be a love story.
@ae-neon
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rhysie · 2 months
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a hard pill to swallow ... rhys not telling feyre during her pregnancy is not as ooc as u think it is
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itsagrimm · 6 months
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Things done to Nesta instead of just sending her to therapy:
trapping her in an isolated house in which her sister was suicidal in. working out with her DIY therapist with whom she has sexual relations with aroma therapy by a sentient, constantly observing & horny house not telling her the extend of her condition and withholding from her that she literally burned alive once re-traumatising her by letting her work at the scene of her attack, sending her into a cursed swamp, making her do spells she fears threatening her (rhysand i get it you are a stressed daddy but wtf) boot camp-esk hike over the mountain
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thesistersarcheron · 1 year
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Pairing: Feysand Rating: E Tags: Hurt/Comfort, Kidnapping, Angst, Fluff, Smut, AU - Canon Divergence, Enemies to Friends to Lovers Summary: Driven by instinct in the split-second after the mating bond snaps, Rhys abducts Feyre from the balcony overlooking the Middle during their goodbyes.
And now that Feyre has seen Velaris—and witnessed Rhysand break down sobbing in another female’s arms, spouting some nonsense about mating bonds—she is forbidden to leave the city and return home to Tamlin and the Spring Court. Forbidden, that is, until the Inner Circle unanimously agrees that she is not a threat to the security and secrecy of their beloved City of Starlight. 
She may be the newly anointed Cursebreaker and their High Lord’s mate, but as Tamlin’s lover, she has a long way to go to convince them of her pure intentions.
Read the prologue on AO3.
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thrumbolt · 6 months
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People in the ACOTAR fandom being so confused (and almost angry) when you don't like the same characters as them will never cease to amuse me.
People read and enjoy things in different ways. People latch onto different characters for different reasons. Not everyone needs to have the same opinion as you do - and someone having a different one doesn't mean they're wrong. It is very easy to not like a protagonist or where an author takes the plot and still enjoy a book series overall. Like, thanks for your concern, but I wouldn't spend all this time on art and such if I didn't have fun lol
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themoonking · 5 months
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my mortal enemy that talentless charlatan sarah j maas does this thing that a lot of subpar writers do, where she doesn't write good and bad actions, she writes good and bad people. and it doesn't matter if one "good" character and one "bad" character do the same exact thing, or even if the good character does worse things, if the good character does it its a good action and if the bad character does it its a bad action. doesn't matter what the action actually is.
both the other characters and the narrative itself will condemn the things that the "bad" character does, proving that this is something that society in this world condemns, but those same exact characters, along with the narrative, will praise the "good" character for those exact same things. which is not only hypocritical, but also just shitty writing.
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bookishfeylin · 10 months
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Hey guys so. It turns out. If someone comes on your post and argues that Rhysand wasn’t abusive because he hurt Feyre “for her own good/for the greater good.” And you point out that Tamlin did the same but it is still correct to call him abusive, then rather than leave your post alone or be like “yeah that’s a good point”… They’ll instead argue that Tamlin was ok actually and that he wasn’t that bad because “he only wanted to protect Feyre.”
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flowerflamestars · 2 years
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What do you think of Rhysand’s mother? I have a few questions about her after reading this post (https://flowerflamestars.tumblr.com/post/641487845398364160/are-we-ever-gonna-talk-about-how-rhysand-can) about Rhysand’s childhood.
1. Do you think Rhysand’s was as soft and gentle as Rhysand portrays her? I never got that vibe because when he describes her, he said that she gave her ring to the Weaver for safekeeping and brought Rhysand to the camps for training? I think it would take a very cunning and intelligent person to bring their child to the camps for more than one type of training (physically and not just magically). I truly do not think that she was as helpless as Rhysand portrays her to be. What do you think?
2. Why do you think she brought Rhysand to the camps? There are a few reasons mentioned within the books, they are: she wanted him to know his culture, use his physical strength and not his magical strength, and that she saw his father as cruel and wanted Rhysand to be separate from him. The issue I have with this is that it actually does not make any sense.
Rhysand’s mother was raised in a family oriented society, Azriel said as much when he was teaching Feyre how to fly. So for her to “break up” their family and go against the values she was raised with by sending Rhysand to the camps, I think she did it because she hated his father. I do not truly think it had anything to do with Rhysand having control over his physical strength and not just his magical prowess. She was removed from her people very abruptly, forced to live in a land that she probably knew nothing about, and did not see her family until she came back to the Illyrian camps. It literally said she was brought to Velaris and became his bride the same night. It was probably very jarring for her and I think that is why she struggled to like his father. And on top of that, his father was known to be mean. I do not think she brought Rhysand to the camps because she wanted him to be physically strong, I think she thought him because training male children is all she knows, (it’s what she grew up with in the camps) and she wanted to get away from Rhysand’s father that she saw as evil.
I do not hate her but I think the way she is described in the series by Rhysand is a bit contradictory. I don’t think there was a lot of foreword planning as to why she brought him to the camp, she just did not like his father and made Rhysand train because it is all she saw the women around her doing while she was growing up.
3. Why specifically do you think Rhysand hates the Illyrians? I firmly believe that he hates them because of their way of life. He seems to enjoy the nicer things in life, he doesn’t live in the camps and likes having nice expensive things. I loved how in your post you highlighted how his first couple years of life was in absolute privilege and pleasure. He had no worries and then suddenly he was dumped in a freezing cold place where people barely have any belonging except for the stuff they need to survive. It was probably very jarring and confusing for him and he never got over it.
I am so happy that I came across someone who speculates about Rhysand mother. A figure we hardly talk about or was mentioned in the books.
Hi, thank you!
Caveat, obviously, this is all my own personal speculation, and I think Rhysand's mother (and his sister, for that matter) aren't really characters in canon, so much as they are plot beats. They're there initially to explain the Tamlin/Rhysand hostility (which Rhys just forgave? I guess?) and then if we're really stretching things as a sort of combo guilt complex/justification for being over-protective of Feyre.
The soft and gentle vibe...very much rubs me the wrong way. We don't have a good handle on when, exactly Rhysand's mother died- after the first war with Hybern, since we know Rhysands father was High Lord during that conflict- but not so long after that Rhysand wasn't young. And that shows. His mother is kind, beautiful phantom.
He can tell Feyre her actions- arguably ruthless and iconoclastic (more on that later)- but he then completely flattens her character into one note: his mother. his beautiful, good, tragic mother.
Which is not to say ruthless woman aren't good mothers- it's that Rhysand carries so much guilt about her death that he cannot, even as an adult, even five hundred years later, see her as a whole, complete person.
I think she probably was a good mother- but not in ways Rhysand bothers to reflect on.
Which brings me to the Illyrian camps.
I've never seen it addressed, but I cannot imagine Rhysand's mother returning to that place- she has a house! she stays there and takes care of Rhys and his friends!- was not a personal sacrifice.
There are two Illyrian women, in total, in all of the books, who can fly. Who are not ritually maimed. Who have, besides the freedom of the sky, the apparent freedom to go wherever they want: Rhysand's mother, and Rhysand's sister.
Their whole existence spits in the face of tradition.
She stays in a hostile environment so her son knowns he isn't alone. And maybe this is where his dislike of Illyrians started- they probably fucking despised his mother.
(I can't speculate about family because...it doesn't seem like there is any? I also don’t think a woman who tried starving herself and drugging herself to avoid the rituals her people practiced around puberty really cared about falling in with tradition)
But I do really think he takes all the wrong lessons from it. (as expanded on in the original post) I don't even think it's about superior training- the Illyrian Legions are a threat, ultimately because their entire existence has been reduced down to war- but the other faeries we meet? The other High Lords, even? Are all incredibly violent. Rhysand was always going to learn to fight, not to mention the fact that he can, as is apparently a family skill, melt people with his brain.
But I digress- I think the whole point isn't threat, necessarily, it's that Rhysand's mother is preparing for his adulthood. She's showing him where she came from, with the knowledge he, and he alone, can change it some day.
Ditto for the ring! If her son was going to grow to break traditions, then whoever his partner was, they were going to be in danger too. It's a pretty straightforward test of strength. There's a future Rhysand's mom wants to happen, and she's shoring it up in fascinatingly ruthless ways.
Which means it's time to talk about Daddy Rhysand.
In VERY SIMILAR my parents are not people they're how I traumatically felt about them when they died when I had the maturity of a teen and have NEVER INTERROGATED ANY EMOTION EVER- Rhysand's father is hilariously one-note.
We know he separated Rhysand from his friends during the war- which I know we're supposed to see as mean and unfair but...kind of makes sense? So much as anything does in an obviously flawed, shitty system but like, they belonged to different parts of a military defense???
Anyway.
We know Rhysand dismissed his government- no clues on what that structure was- and replaced them with his friends.
And we know, that despite whatever flaws Rhysand prescribes, he could have loved Rhysand's mother very much.
I have to disagree with the whole hiding in the camps/hiding the ring thing for the very simple reason that Rhysand's father could have stopped her, at literally any time. He lets her take his heir to this incredibly dangerous place, which shows, at minimum, trust in her judgement.
He doesn't do anything, as far as we know, when she gives away her wedding ring for Plotting Antics.
Rhysand remembers them as Wild & Kind vs Rigid & Mean- but like, isn't that exactly how an angry teen who doesn't have the skills/perspective/emotional maturity would see it?
Not to lean hard on the grievously sexist world-building, but High Lords hold absolute power in their Courts.
Rhysand's mother was, in contrast, not just lacking in power because she was a young woman, but was also a member of tightly controlled, horrifically abused minority.
Saving her initially from the wing-clipping can probably be written off- ugh ugh ugh on 'protective instincts'- but after that? He takes her home. He doesn't hide her or seem remotely ashamed of her, from what we know. She was Lady of Night. She lived in palace he built her, specifically designed to be flown to, where no one could winnow, for her safety and comfort.
He didn't stop her from teaching their children things from a culture faeries of his class wildly despise. Moreover, it sounds like she just did whatever the hell she wanted, traveling around, making deals with the Weaver, ect.
None of that means their relationship couldn't have problems or difficulties, but what we're shown is ultimately more complex. It could have been love! She could have been terribly lonely! He could have tried and failed to bridge the gap! We just don't know, but he never caged her or even, it seems, contained her.
I can't, for example, imagine Rhysand allowing Feyre to run away to Illyria with their kid.
Which- okay, I can't talk about Rhysand's mother without talking about the dress thing.
The ring thing? Ruthless. Crazy. An interesting snap-shot into what Rhysand's mother was like.
THE DRESS THING??? God. Wearing an inherited piece of jewelry, like say, an heirloom wedding ring guarded by a primordial horror, can be cool.
Wearing clothes your mother-in-law made, who happened to be a very talented seamstress? Yeah, works of art.
WEARING CLOTHES YOUR MOTHER-IN-LAW MADE YOU, THAT YOUR SPOUSE PICKS OUT FOR YOU, PRE-CHOSEN FOR EVERY IMPORTANT OCCASION WHILE YOU'RE WEARING HER RING, INHERITING HER TITLE AND LIVING IN HER HOUSE? Fucking weird
This is, of course, not the most egregious or creepy boundary crossing thing that happens, by far, but thinking about it AT ALL makes me feel like my brain is liquifying.
Rhysand's daddy issues are so loud they envelope everything- and, dare I say, define his entire adult character almost as badly as Feyre's do- but the behind the scenes mommy issues?
Feyre with ILLYRIAN WINGS! AS A SEX THING! Feyre's insanely inadvisable pregnancy!
Rhysand has rolled all his guilt into one unhealthy thing and it's Feyre, his mom sister pet Mate, he'll do anything to protect.
He's like one book from hauling out her old dresses from storage and having a family portrait made of himself (a better version of his father, A DREAMER), Mama Feyre, and perfect little treasure better future perfect accessory NightNight staged the same way as the royal portraiture that used to be in his father's office or something. WE ARE RIGHT ON AN ALARMING LINE
In sum: I think Rhysand's mother is fascinating, and we're never going to know more. I don't find Rhysand's hatred of Illyrians justifiable- it's cultural, but it's also systemic and he is, literally, the head of the broken system causing most, if not all, of that cascade. He could have been a great hope for them, as a nation.
I can go either way on Rhysand's parents having a good or bad relationship- there's no definitive answer, but I do think her agency is present enough to...wonder about how he speaks about it.
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Why is the second male lead always so much better than the male lead like 85% of the time
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angel-maybe-alive · 1 year
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I have to come out about this
My main Beef with acotar isn't the bad writing, or the fact that it's first person so all narration sounds extremely self pitying and annoying, or feyre being the definition of a pick me, or the shallow characters, or the childish fandom, or the horribly lazy world building, Or how I really wish that one day the courts get tired of Rhys bullshit and he gets a very earned visit to the guillotine (I know it's impossible but let me dream) or even the author being a fucking weirdo no
My main issue it's just that when I heard about "beauty and the beast retelling and everyone only reads because it's spicy" I expected monsterfucking
And I hated the fact that there was no monster fucking just a guy who look like a yassified legolas fucking the author's self insert
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ya know what since i'm On My Bullshit I'll come right out and say it - I think that A Court of Thorns and Roses was good. Not like, a literary masterpiece, but a good YA novel that I legitimately enjoy re-reading from time to time. It's interesting and enjoyable, in part because SJM didn't have her massive following yet and so at this point she wasn't doing a lot of the Maas-isms that we've all come to expect from her books. Though some parts of it are contrived, it has a compelling, flawed main heroine with a strong POV, and takes place an interesting faerie universe that clearly has parallels to our universe, given the way it draws from both Beauty and the Beast and the Ballad of Tam Lin.
my general thesis with Maas's works is that she sacrifices Goodness to achieve Greatness. A Court of Thorns and Roses doesn't pretend to be more than what it is, doesn't pretend to be epic and poignant and deep and tragic and steamy and morally righteous and a thousand other things. It also doesn't punish you for thinking too hard - yeah, everyone with more than one braincell knew the answer to the riddle right away. Yeah, Amarantha's plot was contrived as fuck. But it's a Beauty and the Beast retelling with extra steps. I don't need to know why the bad guy is the bad guy, and I think if this were a standalone novel, I wouldn't really care. The finale is genuinely heartbreaking in a lot of ways, and seeing a character grow from hopeless to full of love and hope while still retaining the core of her personality that we saw at the beginning - excellent! A job well-done. Not perfect, of course, but I don't need every novel I read to win best in show. A Court of Thorns and Roses is self-contained on its own merits. It could have been quite self-contained. I think Maas just liked [character name redacted] so much that she couldn't get out of her own way and let the story breathe. She couldn't allow events to unfold naturally and had to pigeonhole her characters, come up with more and more contrivances, more excuses, more Drama(tm) to explain and hand-wave and make absolutely positively sure that nothing threatened her envisioned world.
As a result, her interesting and unconventional heroine is sidelined in her own story for the author-designated Superpowered Ultra-special Woobified Very Heterosexual Male Loving Dangerous King of the World TallDarkandHandsomest Soul Mate. Almost nothing that happens in a Court of Thorns and Roses has weight outside of superficial discourse around Trauma that is undercut by the utterly shit way that trauma is handled by these characters and this narrative. It feels totally disconnected from the rest of the series, like a first draft that somehow got published and everyone has now just decided to ignore.
And given that each book in the Courts series has gotten worse and worse with time - all that Stupid Fucking Bullshit with Nesta, who I legitimately believe is one of the best female characters that Maas has ever written being the hard no for me to completely drop the series - I genuinely can't help but look at my affectionately worn copy of Court of Thorns and Roses and be just so, so disappointed.
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thesistersarcheron · 2 years
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Feyre’s Engagement Ring (and Why It’s the Wrong Choice)
Canonically, Feyre has a star sapphire ring. Older pieces, especially Art Deco ones, can be really beautiful. Judging by the name, that sounds appropriate for the Night Court, too, right?
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Above are some examples of star sapphires. They are cabachon gemstones that reflect a spidery star in direct light. The stone is unique enough, but not what I’d imagine for a Lady whose Court is in possession of literal treasure troves or something to set aside to pass down to her son’s bride, especially when she also crafts gowns for her daughter-in-law coated in jewels that Feyre likens to starlight. Also, they look incredibly dull in the dark. Not quite appropriate for the Night Court, hmm?
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Additionally, I think this choice might be a little girlhood fantasy on SJM’s part: “Lindy” rings were affordable lab-grown star sapphire rings and made popular gifts for young girls in the latter half of the 20th century. (The two images on the just above are examples of these mass-produced rings.) This is mostly why I was surprised that Feyre got one—it’s kind of regarded as “little girl jewelry,” or the first piece of semi-valuable jewelry you’d entrust to a 10-13 year old girl, where I’m from.
The light blue shades are more common in these natural pieces, but they make me think more of the sky against the snow in the Winter Court or the first glimpse of the day in the Dawn Court, to be honest. It might resemble like Feyre’s eyes, depending on the stone, but she’s hardly spending time marveling at her own, is she?
So what should Feyre’s gemstone be?
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Tanzanite. This gem is often described as a blue so deep it’s violet. It comes in several shades, from lavender to violet to true, deep blues, but the violet is most common. Pretty soft, but we all know targeted, protective magical shields exist now, so… *handwaves* It’s also one of the rarest natural stones on Earth (though very undervalued), and one of several birthstones for December.
And just look at those stones and tell me what you see—or what Rhys’s mother and wife might see!
(“But, Elle,” you say, “Rhys’s mom wasn’t a seer! How could she know Feyre would be born in December?!” Shut up. I don’t care. It’s pretty, it looks like Rhys’s eyes, it’s another sappy reason they were fated mates, and I want one.)
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thereisnolumos · 1 year
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Okay, there is something bugging me about ACOSF. Well, A LOT of things bug me about this book (they have a medicine advanced enough to grow Cassian’s wings back to their full capacity, but C-section is beyond them???), but right now I’m focused on one in particular.
I haven’t read it. Honestly, I’m not sure I ever will, bcs 1) I hate Nesta and I’m really not interested in reading about her; and 2) everything that I did hear and/or read about it makes me think like all the characters are suddenly an extremely OOC versions of themselves and I hate it.
But the thing that I cannot get out of my head is this: what is exactly Rhysand’s problem with Elriel? Why did he forbid Azriel to come close to her? I’ve read that it’s bcs of a possibility of a “blood duel” and that “mating bond is sacred” but like…
1) Rhys himself stated in the original trilogy, that mating bond is not an obligation and that no one can be forced into one (legally). Yes, faes do tend to go with it and try and make it work, but they don’t have to. So we already know that mating bond can be rejected, it’s allowed
2) What makes him think Lucien WILL even demand it? I don’t see him particularly interested in the bond and Elain, he came to see “if she was worth it” and clearly realized that no, she wasn’t. There is not a single sign that he’s going to fight for it (in the original trilogy at least)
3) Even if Lucien asks for it… so? Him and Azriel will fight, my money’s on Azriel in it. Is he afraid of the possibility of a war? Bcs… who THE FUCK is going to join Lucien? Autumn Court? Please, Beron despises him, just like all of his brothers. Maybe not Eris, but I’m biased here and have my lovely headcanon in regards to it. And at any rate, Lucien has been exiled from Autumn. Tamlin? First, the blond twink wouldn’t lift a finger to help Lucien in anything, second, his Court is barely functioning after his fuck up with Hybern and Fayre’s schemes. He doesn’t have the numbers even if he’d have a desire to get into it.
So, anyone, is there a reasonable explanation to Rhys’ behavior, or is the only one there is that Sarah screwed up his character for the drama?
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