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clairebearsparkles · 2 years
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I felt like the fears in this style would be cute as hell, and I was right
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dcartcorner · 2 months
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Commission for @chrisis-averted! Based on a couple of frames from PIERRE DE MAERE - Mercredi (between 0:36 and 0:42).
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I actually really want the Fear Categories™ to be different in the Magnus Protocol's world.
Like, yeah different names being the most popular would be cool and all but I mean like. Actually divided different. Not into Smirke's Fourteen. Like people have divided the Fears into a main six or there's like 37.
Or, even better, how many Fears there are isn't universally agreed on.
Some people say there's ten, and they serve the manipulating, knowledgeable one. Some people say there's 50, and they serve the one that drowns, which is different from the choking or buried alive or large ocean ones. Some believe each Power is a spectrum, so the Vast and Buried are one thing, the Dark and the Eye are one, etc. Some people try to force them into preconceived categories, like the Buried is Earth, Air is that part of the Vast, Water is another part of the Vast, Fire is the Desolation, and then try to shove the rest into those divisions too.
Because Smirke's Fourteen is supposed to be kinda arbitrary right? People kinda just adopted it and it became widespread. It doesn't have to be like that. You could have avatars that can create shadows and suffocate you. Avatars that are Hunt, Slaughter, Flesh and Desolation combined. The ability to burn you, and to choke you, but only with smoke. Someone who's specifically serving the fear of electricity. A cult that just has One True God, whose power is creating fear in many forms, serving the Entities as a singular being, the whole colour wheel. The possibilities and combinations are endless!
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its-your-mind · 2 months
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*deep breath in*
the fears 👏 have always 👏 been (in one way or another) 👏 parallel 👏 to 👏 desire 👏
let me explain.
so many of the statements given by actual avatars center around some sort of need that was met by their entity. Lots of them even had a positive relationship with the fear that drove them.
Jane Prentiss is an excellent example - the Corruption has always been about a form of toxic and possessive love, but she personally has a deep desire to be “fully consumed by what loves her,” and finds a perverse joy and relief at allowing herself to be a home
Jude Perry is another - she fucking loved watching people’s lives be utterly destroyed. The Desolation only offered her a power of destruction on a grander scale, and then gave her a more intense rush of joy as she did its work. When she tells Jon that he needs to feed the Eye before it feeds on him, it’s almost as an afterthought; she was happily feeding the Desolation long before it burned her into a new existence.
Simon Fairchild. Every time that old loose bag of bones wanders into the picture, he is having a fucking EXCELLENT time playing with the Vast. He loves showing people their own insignificance, and he loves luring them into situations where he can throw them into the void as he smiles and waves.
Peter Lukas (hell, the whole Lukas family (except Evan. RIP Evan.)) hated. people. all he wanted was for them all to go away, to leave him alone. The Lonely only fulfilled that desire.
Daisy, Trevor, and Julia, all devoted to hunting those things they deemed monstrous.
Melanie, holding tight to that bullet in her leg because on some level, she wanted it. It felt good, it felt right, it felt like it fit right alongside the anger and spite that drove her to success.
Annabelle Cane first encountered the Web when she was a child, running away from home in order to tug on her parents’ heartstrings in just the right way to have them wrapped around her little finger. Later on she volunteered to be the subject of an ESP study. Hell, she’s the one who dangled the “Is it really You that wants this?” question over Jon’s head in S4.
And that brings us to Jon, beloved Jarchivist, the Voice that Opened the Door. Ever since he was a child targeted by the Web, he was looking for answers. He joined the Magnus Institute’s Research Department looking for them, he stalked his coworkers in search for them, he broke into Gertrude’s flat and laptop out of desperation for them. And when he realized that all he had to do was Ask to get truthful answers to his questions? It was only natural for him to jump at that opportunity.
Elias told S3 Jon that he did want this, that he chose it, that at every crossroads he kept pushing onwards, and the inner turmoil that caused was one of the focal points for Jon’s character through the rest of the podcast.
There’s a certain line of thinking in many circles about the power of the Devil: he’s not able to create anything new. All he’s able to do is twist and warp that which was already present, making it something ugly and profane while still maintaining the facade of something desirable.
Jon didn’t choose the Eye. But he did wander into its realm of power, exhibiting exactly the qualities it was most capable of hijacking and warping to its own ends. Jon didn’t choose the Apocalypse. But Jonah picked at him little by little, pointing him towards each Fear individually. Jon didn’t want to release the Fears. But the Web tugged on his strings just so and laid a pretty trail for him to follow until he reached its desired conclusion.
Jon didn’t choose ultimate power, or omniscience, or even his own role as Head Archivist. But he said “yes” to the right (wrong?) orders and kept on pushing for the right (wrong?) answers. He wanted to succeed at the work he had been assigned. He wanted to protect his friends. He wanted to rescue them when they were lost. He wanted to prevent the apocalypse, to save the world. He wanted to know why he was still alive, when so many had died right in front of him.
The Great Wheel of Evil Color that is the Entities might not fit as neatly into categories in this universe - maybe there was no Robert Smirke trying to impose strict categories on emotional experiences, or maybe the ways they manifest in the world has turned on its head (goodness knows many of them have been showcased and blended in some very fun and new and horrifying ways so far) - but their fundamental foundations seem to be the same. Hell, in episode one we learned that there had been enough individual incidents to create a distinction between “dolls, watching” and “dolls, human skin.”
Smirke’s Fourteen isn’t going to be relevant as common parlance, RQ said that already, but I don’t think that means the Fears themselves (and their Dream Logic-based rules) are different - I think it means that the levels of understanding, language used, and personal connections among people “in the know” are going to be entirely unfamiliar
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tangerinecat14 · 5 months
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links to transcripts and major spoilers below the cut
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Gerald Keay- Family Business: https://snarp.github.io/magnus_archives_transcripts/episode/111.html
"it was always the books that she was happy to see."
Jude Perry- Twice As Bright: https://snarp.github.io/magnus_archives_transcripts/episode/089.html
"Hard to say when every nerve ending’s on fire. Hard to tell degrees."
Micheal Crew- The Coming Storm: https://snarp.github.io/magnus_archives_transcripts/episode/091.html
"What reason would I have had not to jump? Not to become as I am now. Perhaps I just didn’t know the true joy of vertigo."
Micheal Distortion- Another Twist: https://snarp.github.io/magnus_archives_transcripts/episode/101.html
"He cared for her. He trusted her. And she fed him to me."
Oliver Banks- Far Away: https://snarp.github.io/magnus_archives_transcripts/episode/121.html
"Time is like that, isn’t it? Just keeps going, no matter what happens, it just carries on, and it strips everything away from you in the end, the good and the bad alike, until there is nothing left of either."
Robert Smirke- The architecture of fear: https://snarp.github.io/magnus_archives_transcripts/episode/138.html
"Apocalypse. Apotheosis. I wonder, did my work bring about these dreadful things, or – did I simply develop the means by which they can be known?"
Jane Prentiss- Hive: https://snarp.github.io/magnus_archives_transcripts/episode/032.html
"Sings that I am beautiful, That I am loved. That I can be fully consumed by what loves me."
Annabelle Cane- Weaver: https://snarp.github.io/magnus_archives_transcripts/episode/147.html
"Most of one’s life is simply spent looking back and convincing yourself that you chose deliberately to act like you did."
Jared Hopworth- Flesh: https://snarp.github.io/magnus_archives_transcripts/episode/131.html
"They’d go on and on about remaking the world; of a new day of blood and flesh. I told them to piss off."
Manuela Dominguez- Dark Matter: https://snarp.github.io/magnus_archives_transcripts/episode/135.html
"If the words of my parents hold any truth, then God is the true monster, and “let there be light” the most evil words ever spoken."
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i only included one statement from any that made more than one statement (oliver banks, maneula dominguez, etc)
this is not going to have a good sample size if you dont reblog so i would love if you could
if you have an issue with the quotes i picked please feel free to reblog and quote your favorite part :)
EDIT: I misspelled gerrys name didn't I. Pretend you didn't see that
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oxthemoron · 3 months
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TMA has invaded my brain every experience that I ever have will be sorted into the 14 domains
I saw barbecue sauce on the floor yesterday and said "thats so the flesh coded"
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disacurveball · 7 months
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Ideal TMA Listening Order
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murderandcoffee · 4 months
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Also don't let *gestures to everything* distract you from the return of the evil architecture.
And if we're discussing evil architecture, that might lead to some references to Robert Smirke again, who designed, amongst other things, the prison and panopticon the original universe Magnus Institute was built on top of. He was also the guy who categorized the list of fourteen fears, that Jon didn't officially know how to officially name until a certain Gerry explained it to him. And since this universe's Gerry was just introduced, and has another link to the Magnus Institute, it's worth keeping in mind
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thehermitavatar · 7 months
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I love the idea that Robert Smirke had fourteen friends to represent the Fears. That would make him the fifteenth, the extinction, and honestly, that makes a lot of sense regarding who he was as a character.
Trying to control and balance everything to the point that it becomes destructive and makes everything worse.
Also, based on the timeline, that means that Hezekiah Wakely could have been part of his group.
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crechurculture · 8 days
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Y’know the Jurgen Leitner rant is kinda Gerry Keays slogan?
What if Tim had a rant but for Robert Smirke
Robert Smirke rant
I would love to see someone make a Robert Smirk Rant
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kirikiri1 · 1 year
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Hoop for Episode 183 - Monument, for @bpaigewilson who kindly donated to @crawlingrot 's top surgery fund. Thank you!!
"MARTIN
Oh, no, w-w-what even is that? I-It’s like Escher ate a bad cathedral and threw up everywhere.
ARCHIVIST
It’s a building. A tower, in a sense.
MARTIN
Oh yeah? And what sense might that be?
ARCHIVIST
[Faintly ominous] The Tarot sense."
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wormconsumer · 1 month
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Based off a post I saw with the idea that Robert Smirke had fourteen friends, each falling too/representing a different entity, with Smirke himself being the Extinction.
To get the obvious ones out of the way: Jonah Magnus as the Eye, Mordechai Lukas as the Lonely, Maxwell Rayner as the Dark, and George Gilbert Scott as the Buried; these ones are all canon. Not directly canon but a pretty reasonable assumption is Simon Fairchild as the Vast; we know Simon had Maxwell Rayner help him with his Awful Deep ritual in 1853, which was only a few years before Smirke died, and Smirke hung out with Rayner a ton, so it makes sense for Simon to be part of the group (though by a different name; he only started going by “Simon Fairchild” in the 1930s). Another fairly reasonable assumption, in my opinion, is John Franklin for the Hunt. Franklin is canonically a Hunt avatar in The Magnus Archives, his real-life timeline overlaps with Smirke and the rest, and Rayner was canonically interested in his expedition, which was probably because he wanted to use Franklin’s knowledge of arctic exploration for his ritual, but could also imply they knew each other, and therefore, Smirke’s gang.
For the Corruption, my first thought was John Amherst, but he only became an avatar during the Second Boer War, which was about half a century after Smirke’s time. Instead, John Snow is a better fit. He was an English physician who lived during the same time as Smirke, and he had something going on; his descendant Neil Thompson has a syringe that belonged to Snow that had Corruption properties, so Snow fits. For the Slaughter, we could go with Charles Fleming. We know he was in China from at least the beginning of the First Opium War in 1839, and Smirke and Jonah and the rest were up and active on their supernatural studies since at least the 1810s, so it’s theoretical Fleming could have hung out with them, even though he didn’t become touched by the Slaughter until he went to China. Maybe he came back later, though he was in China at least until 1862. Alternatively, William Hall, the actual captain of the Nemesis, could be an option, his lifetime overlaps pretty well with Smirke’s, though there is no evidence he interacted with the Slaughter besides his interactions with Fleming and the Nemesis. Still, he was probably a bit more high-society that Fleming, so I kind of prefer him. Finally, for the more reasonable ones, we have Joey Grimaldi for the Stranger. Grimaldi’s timeline overlaps with Smirke’s, and we know he was affected by the Stranger even before he was turned into Nikola Orsinov. The reason I’m choosing Grimaldi instead of Gregor Orsinov or Nikolai Denikin is that we know for sure he was in England while Smirke was, unlike the other two.
Now for the more out-there guesses. For the Flesh, there are a few options. One is Eustace Wick, the Lutheran priest-turned-cannibal, who did live at the same time as Smirke, but he became an avatar in 1832, died in 1845, and has no evidence that he’d even been to England, considering he’s American. The other options would be Benjamin Carlisle, Benjamin’s unnamed wife, or possibly some other relative or descendant of theirs. I find this one the more likely choice, because Jonathan Sims specifically wonders how Benjamin Carlisle’s wife was able to give her statement to the Magnus Institute, considering she starved to death in a cave on the Oregon Trail in 1845, as well as the fact that an apparent descendant of her, Toby Carlisle, is living in England by the 21st Century and has enough of a connection with the Flesh to be pretty severely affected by the failure of the Last Feast ritual. The unnamed Mrs. Carlisle being the Flesh representative does mean she presumably gave in and cannibalized her husband, and the timeline only gives her about a decade to have hung out with the rest before Smirke’s death, but I think that fits, considering what Smirke said about just coming up with theories about the Flesh in his statement.
The Spiral has similarly not a lot to go on. I would just say the Distortion, seeing as it’s an immortal manifestation of the Spiral itself. We know that Ivo Lenshik’s father was tormented by the Distortion in a human form, and apparently Lenshik’s great-uncle did too, implying that the Distortion did assume a humanoid form sometimes, before it was forced to by the failure of the Great Twisting ritual. Plus, Jonah Magnus clearly knows who the Distortion is, which yes, he could have learned at literally any point from the past two hundred years, but seeing as we’ve got nothing else, I’ll choose to believe. For the Web, the only older avatars of the Web we’re aware of would be the historical owners of the house at Hill Top Road. We don’t know who owned it during Smirke’s time; the closest we have are the unnamed blackmailer who died during the English Civil War in the mid-1600s, and Walter Fielding, who died in 1923. Walter’s son and grandson both owned the house for about thirty years before dying, so with the same amount of time applied, Walter couldn’t be our Web avatar. Honestly, the answer might just have to be “whichever Web avatar was owning the house at Hill Top Road during the first half of the 19th Century.”
For the Desolation, we have even less. Diego Molina founded the Cult of the Lightless Flame at some point prior to World War II, but we have no idea when, and it couldn’t have been that long, considering what Eugene Vanderstock says about the immortality of Desolation avatars having some kind of limit. The same is true of the End. The only known End avatar who was alive during Smirke’s time was Nathaniel Thorp, who was a Death at the time, and didn’t become human again until 1970. It’s unlikely that Deaths got breaks to socialize.
So, in summary, we know for sure about:
* Jonah Magnus — The Eye
* Mordechai Lukas — The Lonely
* Maxwell Rayner — The Dark
* George Gilbert Scott — The Buried
We can make some reasonable assumptions about:
* Simon Fairchild — The Vast
* John Franklin — The Hunt
We can make educated guesses about:
* John Snow — The Corruption
* William Hall — The Slaughter
* Joey Grimaldi — The Stranger
We can make complete guesses about:
* Mrs. Carlisle — The Flesh
* The Distortion — The Spiral
* Owner of the house at Hill Top Road — The Web
And we have nothing for:
* The Desolation
* The End
If anyone has ideas or things I missed, let me know.
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webs4ribs · 1 year
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lavender-wiitch · 2 months
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RIP robert smirke you would have loved pokémon
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