#rott salt

[bluheaven-adw]

Fuck RotT...

That is all. That's the post.

#rott salt #tales of arcadia #trollhunters #toa #jim lake jr #toa trollhunters #trollhunters tales of arcadia #claire nuñez #toa wizards #toby domzalski #trollhunters toa #rise of the titans #trollhunters rise of the titans #rott

[theslayerbrother]

Bruh

this Man ruin our Beloved Trollhunters bc of a better Self image bruh

@pinkytoothlesso11 @alix-xer @ladylilith91 @bluheaven-adw @lemon-drop8

#jim lake jr #tales of arcadia #trollhunters #meme #toby domalski #walter strickler #Steve Palchuk #trollhunters rise of the titans #rott salt

[rosemaidenvixen]

Titan brainrot got me so bad I'm making memes

#the owl house #luz noceda #king clawthorne #titan!luz #watching and dreaming #tales of arcadia #toa rise of the titans #meme #funny #toa meme #toh meme #I love toa to my dying breath but that movie was hot garbage #whereas watching and dreaming kicked ass #rise of the titans #trollhunters rise of the titans #rott salt

[gaylightisminetocommand]

Listening to Children of the Sun and it's as breathtaking as ever but... I've found i can't listen to it much because every time I'm reminded of what we could've had... which sucks cause it's an absolute banger.

#it just makes me feel so many emotions about ToA #but not even 'AKSDHDKJFHSDHF RIGHT IN THE FEELS' type emotions #i mean rage at studio execs and netflix #it had so much potential #rott could've been epic #wtf even happened #toa #tales of arcadia #trollhunters #rise of the titans #rott salt #im still mourning... #gaylight post

[nikibogwater]

Okay while I’m still thinking about it--

Y’know what would be great? If Dreamworks released a 5 minute short that confirms RotT was Blinky’s terrible fanfic. It’s just all the main characters reacting to his story. 

Jim, physically restraining Claire from beating the crap out of Blinky: I am NOT that whiny and insecure!

Toby: DUDE, WHY DID YOU KILL ME?! WHAT’D I EVER DO TO YOU?!

Douxie, clutching Archie for dear life as Nari reassuringly pats his hair: Frankly, I would have preferred death...

Krel: Were you intending to write false Akiridian propaganda? Because it really looks like you wrote false Akiridian propaganda.

Aja, carrying a traumatized Steve out of the room: Don’t ever talk to me or my boyfriend again.

Blinky: It’s called taking creative liberties, you philistines!

We’re never told what ACTUALLY happened, all we know is that RotT didn’t. So when new fans show up and ask “what the heck was that ending,” we can all be like “What do you mean? The ending was Perfect. (⊙‿⊙)”

#tales of arcadia #toa #rott salt #okay I'm done now

[pinkytoothlesso11]

So. I rewatched RoTT yesterday evening.

I know. How on earth did I cope with that? Why would I torture myself like that? It was because the first time I watched it I was purely feeling emotions of betrayal disappointment and anger. So I'm going to give a quick summary of points in the movie, both bad and good, and debunk common issues fans have with that ending. (Surprisingly it was not as bad as I remembered. Strickler sounded a little croaky but not so much and his design was in need of improving on his hair and eyes, but not much else.)

The kill count was insane. Me and my sister estimated that thousands of people, perhaps more, died. And Archie and Charlemagne are pretty much dead. The whole bridge collapsed.

Positives

Animation was mostly perfect. The fight scenes were beautiful. The expressions were subtle and more realistic.

Voice acting was faultless almost.

It DID have good character interactions, as well as emotional scenes. And the music was pretty amazing too.

Negatives

The fight scenes were monotonous after a while. There were too many and I felt a emotional disconnect after a while. It was a little boring compared to the series.

The only death they put significance on was Toby’s. The others were completely brushed over. And of course largely unnecessary. (writers were cruel to poor Strickler especially).

The script let it down. Some lines were good. But not many.

Okay. Onto the common complaints. Bare in mind I don't like RoTT, and do not consider it Canon.

Jim's decision was selfish. He should have dealt with his grief and not used the kronosphere.

No. It was the opposite. It was selfless. Jim loved Toby like a brother. He loved Strickler like a dad. Douxie lost the only remaining people in his life he loved literally. Nomura was a close friend. Sacrifice comes in different forms. Yes the deaths were stupid. But it showed what a strong drive love is. If it was always meant to be, it will be. Jim made a decision collectively, it was not his decision only. Blinky, Aja, so many agreed it was the correct decision. To save their loved ones.

Jim should not have given the amulet to Toby. Unbecoming showed what would happen if Jim wasn't the Trollhunter.

It was foreshadowed a LOT in Trollhunters. I'm in the middle of rewatching, and twice Toby has been first mistaken as the Trollhunter then called for the glory of Merlin. Toby was the one with the most compassion. He was the one who spared Chomsky he was the only one who called Angor’s name when he died the second time. And Jim is right there. He knows the future, he will not leave Toby. Unbecoming was a vision from Merlin. One that was pretty manipulating. Plus, Draal was the one who shouldn't be chosen.

RoTT makes the other series pointless. It undoes everything.

This is what I'm most pissed about. My mum said it would have made way more sense if the movie events happened before the series, so it didn't feel as much like a gut punch. But I've got a way around this. When Jim tells Strickler he'd like to introduce him to his mom, his expression goes from surprise to a warm smile. That's a weird reaction. It suggests Strickler might have an echo of remembrance. Which is how I think retrieving memories is an almost certain possibility. It happens with Claire too. Even Toby’s reaction to the amulet comes across as glee rather than surprise. This is the dude who thought it was a gaudy bauble in Trollhunters and dismissed it pretty quickly.

So yeah. I'm done. It was bad but not world ending. Please don't kill me. I was looking at it with zero emotion, pure logic. I still don't believe it's Canon. Not true to the characters. There's no feeling of timelessness I get with rewatching Trollhunters, no awe. It was a meh movie that had the potential to be great but fell flat on its face.

#Whoever reads this #I apologise in advance #This is a long post that could have been even longer but I'm tired now #Somehow watching it again has made me feel purged #It doesn't haunt my spirit quite as much #I'm accepting the post RoTT fics as Canon because they're more true to the source than the movie #trollhunters #tales of arcadia #walter strickler #Jim Lake Jr #toby domzalski #RoTT salt #Rise of the titans #Long post #Rewatched RoTT #Movie review

[abbigaildraws]

Y’all I remember watching Rise of the Titans and just thinking “I’m dreaming, no way this is real” and the worst part, it was real.

#abbigail.txt #the fucking mpreg #the way they rushed over the deaths #the way they killed toby #the way they just reset everything #the way jim let toby become the next trollhunter #it just erased EVERYTHING these three shows worked so hard to do #at least the animation was good #it was great!! #the babies made me fucking want to puke #what WERE those things #only good part of the timeline being reset lemme tell ya! #rott salt #rise of the titans #tales of arcadia

[purpleyang234]

It's quite fun to see things for the wizards era because sometimes I will find comments of people that are like “I can't wait to see the movie!” or things like that. Things that are very positive and looking forward for R*TT and I just. Stand there. Looking at the comment and remembering the entire “A big chunk of the fandom living through the eight stages of grief in like, less than a week” ajwhqheuwhw

#u know what at some point i was excited too #then i got to tumblr the morning of the premiere and got spoiled about the changelings dying #and i said no #no fuck this cannot be true #and entered in negation lmao #i also got spoiled with how the movie ended and i was like “Nonono impossible” haha i was a fool. #in my defense i hate the “protag reverses time and erases everything” sorry i got traumatized with teen beach movie 2 when i was little ok #trollhunters #toa #rott salt #i guess? #it's not too salty i think but uh it's not the most positive thing either?

[lifblogs]

I think that if Jim was a different main character then the RotT ending would have worked. If he was a character who was afraid of sacrifice, a character who was selfish at his core. It would have worked, it would have made the ending dark and disturbing in a way. But he’s not that character, and I have no idea how the writers forgot that.

#toa #tales of arcadia #trollhunters #rise of the titans #jim lake jr. #rott #salt

[perrypixel]

I’m gonna say it

They made Luz and Hunter ooc bc they knew if they were in character their dynamic would be too powerful

#idc what you view them as #i know for a fact luz would be losing her mind worrying about hunter's whereabouts #and she would tackle hunter with a hug when he sees him again in clouds on the horizon #toh spoilers #look man after rott i can sniff out when the writers are losing their handle on their characters #i have my suspicions why #the owl house #should I tag this as salt? i mean I can't really blame the writers since disney did cut back on s3

[abittersweetraisin]

It’s been 2 years and a half already since the release of RotT, yet some people’s hate towards still burns as if they had seen it just yesterday. Ok, yes, it wasn’t the ending you would had wanted, but, even using the f word for a fictional story that you saw 2 years and a half ago? Seriously?

There do is a difference between passion and obsession.

#sorry but unless you’re 13 or less- just grow up and get over it already #toa rott #toa rise of the titans #toa rott salt #rise of the titans salt #rise of the titans

[bluheaven-adw]

Just thinking about them, and how this episode was a turning point in their relationship. Jim willing to protect her at any cost, armor or no. Claire seeing him for who he really is for the first time. Not the slacker fuck-up who misses play rehearsal and trashed her house.... but the hero struggling under the weight of two worlds who saved her and wants to save her brother because he cares for her, and because it's the right thing to do. And in return... she saves him. And I'm reminded that this scene won't happen... and it makes me horribly sad.

#I'm supposed to be finishing jlaire art... but I'm too depressed #I hate that fucking movie so much for what it took #jlaire #I need to know they get back to each other #I have to believe that #jim lake jr #claire nuñez #tales of arcadia #trollhunters #toa #toa trollhunters #trollhunters tales of arcadia #trollhunters toa #toa wizards #rott #rott salt #rise of the titans

[theslayerbrother]

so i was on Reddit and i saw the one Person who thought that Darci Will Replace Claire as the Shadowmancer Since toby is the trollhunter Post ROT , and maybe It's Just me because Claire is one of My Favorite characters but i don't Like it at all.

Darci Doesn't have the Same "Darkness" that Claire have Plus she doesn't give me any vibes of a Witch more Like a Warrior Like Jim , toby and Aja etc.

IMHO - only Claire can be the Shadowmancer in the Group that is the Role that she Serving you can't take it form her. Same thing goes for Jim. Just because Toby is the trollhunter Doesn't Change Claire Role in the Group imo both He and Jim Should be the trollhunters. at least if by ROTT Logic because it have barely

ok bye

Edit i Wouldn't mind Darci Joining the team in the New Timeline but i don't really want for her to Take My Girl role i wouldn't able to handle it

#claire nunez #jim lake jr #toby domzalski #Darci Scott #rott salt #claire nuñez

[rosemaidenvixen]

Tales of Arcadia fic recs-Rise of the Titans fix it edition

This project's been a long time coming and I'm super happy to finish at last. Here we have a compilation of written responses to the complete dumpster fire that was supposed to be the franchise finale for Tales of Arcadia. Now this is not a comprehensive list by any means, just a collection of my personal favorites and what I consider the best fix-it takes of Rise of the Titans, broken down into several categories.

Bits and Pieces-Not full fix its, but some short little one shots and alternate takes that make the worst parts of of RotT easier to swallow.

Let’s Try That Again-Jim uses the Krohnisfere only to go back to earlier parts of RotT, not the entire franchise.

Instinct of Self-Preservation-Undoes Strickler's pointless death and Jim doesn't go back in time.

Remembering and Honoring a Hero-In a world where the Krohnisfere doesn't exist, the city of Arcadia gathers to remember the fallen hero, Toby Domalski.

Hope Overture-Canon compliant Stricklake, in the new timeline Barbara and Strickler are hit with memories they shouldn't rightly have.

Technically canon compliant-These fics don’t contradict any of the events of RotT, rather pick up where RotT left off with the new timeline of Toby being the Trollhunter. In general I'm not a fan of this particular type of fic. RotT was such a mess all around I don't like the idea of building on it, but the stories below are exceptions for a reason. Not only do these fics work as continuations, each of them is enjoyable on their own merits.

Challenging Destiny @pinkytoothlesso11-Picks up where canon left off, but with the twist of Jim and Toby sharing the amulet as co Trollhunters. From there it grows to include wizards, changelings, and Akiridions working together to bring back magic and create a better future for all. Not only is this story fantastic as it navigates the benefits and pitfalls of knowledge of the future, but the buildup to an eventual post-Masquerade world is set up so well. And this might be a continuation of canon but don't let that fool you, this story never misses an opportunity to throw well deserved shade at the source material.

Trollhunters: Becoming yeeterparker-A fun, fast paced romp that has the characters using their knowledge of the future to speedrun though obstacles while flipping the baddies off on the way. And not only are they able to turn some foes into friends, but troll Jim is back and he's here to stay. All the character interactions are so warm and caring, showing their strong bonds with each other in a way RotT wishes it did.

Atlas through the aftermath @atlasthroughtheaftermath-Jim went back in time, but from the very first morning in the past everything starts going wrong. The amulet was never supposed to choose Toby. Now Jim is forced to walk the line between truth and lies in order to use his knowledge of the future to ensure a better outcome. But as things drift further and further from the timeline he knows he finds himself adrift in uncharted waters. If you like fics that go into all the nitty gritty details with heartbreakingly realistic fight scenes and depictions of armor/sword fighting, this is the fic for you.

RotT fix its-Just like it says on the tin folks, fics that are complete rewrites of Rise of the Titans. But with better characterization, plot points that aren't hamfisted, no time travel retcon; and most importantly, no Steve mpreg.

Rise of the Titans-Secundo Ire @nickelwick-Part two in a series already containing a fabulous Wizards rewrite. Follows the same events of Rise of the Titans, only with the characters actually acting in character. But with the twist of someone else wielding Excalibur, and Jim going through a magical problem of his own. Not only do these changes make for a very interesting read but every character, even the minor ones, is well fleshed out and true to their established characters. All coming together to create an incredible franchise finale.

Fall of the Titans @purplerose244 This one's more a character study than anything else, but holy hell what a character study! This story goes through and analyzes each character's perspective and journey as they struggle against the titans, with plenty of Akiridion worldbuilding and a very interesting twist on the Arcane order's lore, and who gets Excalibur. Salty about how Jim-centric RotT was and the lack of compelling character arcs? Give this a read.

Tales of Arcadia: The Final Becoming @nikibogwater-Rather than focusing on Jim, the main arcs center on Douxie and Nari's relationship, but without sidelining any of the other characters. A rewrite that's short and sweet that never fails to deliver an epic finale with a satisfying conclusion.

The Eternal Day:Tales of Arcadia @rikalovesrice-An epic rewrite that really delivers on the promise to unite the worlds of trolls, aliens, and wizards. Along with some fascinating original lore and some killer redesigns of the Titans themselves (art on author's tumblr). Takes the bare bones of RotT and builds an incredible story on them. Brilliantly weaving the worlds of trolls, Akiridions, and wizards together all leading up to a final battle of epic magical proportions and a brave new world on the other side.

Entire series rewrites-Kind of a cheat category, which is why it's the largest, in that technically none of these fics are RotT rewrites. They're au takes on canon, and many of them were well in progress before RotT was released. Some haven't been updated in a while and some are on full blown hiatus, but they're all worth a read and all have been confirmed by the authors that they will be concluding differently than RotT does.

Becoming the Mask @magic-and-moonlit-wings-Possibly one of the most well known fics in the TOA fandom, and for darn good reason. Starts at the very beginning of Trollhunters with the premise, what if Jim was a changeling all along? Not a half-changeling or a sleeper agent, but a full blown self aware member of the Janus Order. An excellent highly detailed read, juggles a large cast of complex characters, and subtly addresses plot holes as they come along with care and attention.

What the Night Brings @blund3r-bust3r-When Jim has a chance encounter with a creature of the night he barely escapes with his life. Now less than human himself, he's introduced to a vast world below his feet full of danger and wonder, and sets churning gears that have been spinning for centuries. A wonderfully dark, fantastical au that stays true to a lot of existing TOA lore while still being very much its own story.

Sunshine through the Clouds aka shameless self promotion @rockymaidenvixen-Through events neither fated nor accidental, at five years old Jim Lake starts transforming into a troll with each sunset, and back into a human at sunrise. An ability both a gift and a curse that he carries with him through his childhood into adolescence. Changing nothing and everything once he's chosen as the Trollhunter (more about this au under the tag "sunshine au" on my blog).

Tulips of Time @avirxy-Starts with the events of Wizards, but with two major twists. Toby falls through the time rift with the rest of the gang, and Claire's the one with a shard of evil in her heart. Really this story does the trio's characters justice in a way Wizards wishes it did. The trio struggles to make their way in Camelot and find their way back to the future, but medieval Camelot is a harsh time for trolls and humans alike, with the line between good and evil getting blurrier by the day. And their greatest threat may just come from within.

A Brief Reliving of Troll Lore @i-am-gun-robot-This one's just getting started, and hasn't been updated in a long time, but is definitely worth a read. Did you enjoy Wizards but hate what it did for the overall TOA continuity? Then this is the fic for you. A very different take on Camelot of the past, with worldbuilding that can be dark, but is so very rich and nuanced.

Blue Moon Rising @tunafishprincess-On indefinate hiatus, but definitely worth a read. A half changeling Jim au with a dark twist. What if Jim was stolen from Barbara and found by the Janus order, and raised by the top changeling himself under the new name Atlas. Atlas though his fate was certain, but then on his first real mission a certain amulet calls a hauntingly familiar name.

Self Determination @appendingfic-A completed series rewrite that diverges from canon very early on. It starts with the premise, what if the Trollhunter was always human? Spinning out and crossing over with multiple other properties colliding on an epic scale. To say any more would spoil some of the truly earth shattering twists and turns this story has going for it. For those put off by all the crossovers this is a Tales of Arcadia story more than anything else, and you can still follow along and get fully immersed without knowing anything about the other properties tied into it.

You can check out my original TOA fanfic rec list here, and @feather-dancer has made several much more comprehensive fic rec lists all compiled here.

#tales of arcadia #rott fix it #toa rise of the titans #rott salt #fic rec list #fanfic masterlist #fic rec #toa fic rec #masterlist #trollhunters rise of the titans #rise of the titans

[gaylightisminetocommand]

Thinking again about how the RotT trailer was more enjoyable than watching the actual movie

#i went insane the day it dropped (in a good way) #woke up at five and couldn't get back to sleep (cause i didn't bother trying to) so i just watched the trailer #and proceeded to watch it another approximately fifteen times #the bits they included made it look so good without the context #forever bitter #toa #gaylight post #rise of the titans #rott salt

[nikibogwater]

I was having a nice hot shower, and all of a sudden, the Post-RotT-Stress-Disorder decided to kick in, giving me the following train of thought that I was compelled to write down somewhere for some strange reason.

There’s only one way I can think of to accurately describe to an outsider the effect Rise of the Titans had on the majority of the Tales of Arcadia fandom. 

Imagine you’re a die-hard Star Wars fan in 1983, and you’re going to see Return of the Jedi for the very first time. And you are so pumped, because this is it; this is where it all goes down, this is when the epic struggle between good and evil will finally be decided once and for all. Is Han Solo really dead? Can Luke truly come back after everything that happened in Empire Strikes Back? What ending is in store for these characters who you love and admire so much???  

And now imagine that instead of Luke coming in as the badass Jedi he was always meant to be, he gets dragged into Jabba’s palace kicking and whining about Toshi station power converters and how he can’t be a real Jedi. Also he’s not there to rescue Han--everybody just kind of forgot about Han and don’t really care that he’s in carbonite anymore, so he has to escape by himself. Then Chewbacca magically gets pregnant, and it’s not like a throwaway line--oh no no no, they remind you that Chewie is pregnant every fifteen minutes because ISN’T THAT FUNNY GUYS? ISN’T IT FUNNY THAT CHEWBACA, A MALE, IS PREGNANT??? And then Leia gets shot in the face at point-blank range. And then Han gets yeeted off a cliff by an Ewok for good measure. And after Palpatine is defeated, Luke discovers that he suddenly has the magical power to go back in time and save his friends. But for some unfathomable reason, he decides not to simply go back a few days, but all the way back to the beginning of A New Hope. And then he gives his lightsaber to Han Solo and tells him to become a Jedi and fight the Empire. And that’s where the movie--the entire Star Wars series, as far as you know--ends. 

None of that was an exaggeration, by the way. There is canon non-consensual M!Preg in the grand finale for this TV-Y7 animated adventure series, and that’s just one of the many emotional scars this movie left that I don’t think I will ever recover from.

#tales of arcadia #toa #rise of the titans #rott salt #niki gripes