#rwby crit

[kitkatopinions]

I have this theory that rwby white knights and anti-rwdes are really into pushing the idea that Ironwood pre-shooting Oscar is some horrible clearly bad dictator with no good traits because they actually don't have any arguments against people saying his over-the-course-of-two-in-universe-days fall to villainy was rushed, unnecessary, and severely lacking in emotional depth. So the only way for them to try and make it not bad writing is to say that James was always a villain and therefore his villainy arc wasn't 'rushed' (though this ignores the fact that a villain with standards rapidly changing into a villain with zero standards with no real depth is still bad writing.)

But funnily enough, the whole thing with pushing the idea of 'Ironwood was always a bad guy, clearly a dictator, clearly everyone needs to have seen that or they're a pro-dictator bigot themselves' take... Really just makes both the team of RWBYJNROQ and the narrative that the RWBY writers painted seem worse if you ask me. Like, Team RWBY and co were actively and willingly working with IW for like two months, right? Like, they were down in the thick of it in Mantle sometimes, they saw the security camera that some people swear means that James kept the citizens of Mantle under constant surveillance, they saw the broadcasting of James and Winter that some people swear means that James was obviously feeding Mantle propaganda, they saw how he worked on a project that they actively believed in apparently instead of using the easily transferable resources of a communications tower to fix a broken wall. They saw James put things in place like curfews, which some people are swearing is proof of the ironclad hold Ironwood had on those poor defenseless citizens. They saw that he pulled his forces out of Mistral (on the advice of Winter,) which apparently is heartlessly hording protection, and they also saw him bring some of his forces into Vale which according to some people was a show of power. And despite the fact that there was every indication that IW was fully authorized to be in Vale and fully authorized in bringing over weapons, and despite the fact that he only brought them because he thought there would be an attack (which there was,) and despite the fact that he clearly didn't bring his whole fleet - No, he was invading Vale. And Team RWBY and co also saw his 'over-reliance on machinery' and his 'hatred of humanity' at play, and they saw him let teenagers do any fighting and saw that he was running a child recruitment school (ignore if this breaks the premise of the entire show by implying that Ruby shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a fight,) and they saw that he was supposedly grooming Winter. And they saw that he *gasp* was put in charge of security for an event after an attack that could've been really bad while Ironwood and the rest of Oz's inner circle was anticipating worse I MEAN he was completely unnecessarily put in charge of obviously completely unneeded security for your average everyday not in danger at all sporting event that can easily be compared to sporting events in our world where Salem and Grimm don't exist, and so that was clearly an act of aggression and exercising control.

So, if Ironwood is really a terrible dictator who has clearly been doing off the charts bad things that prove that he's a bad dictator since his very first appearances in volume two, then the options are A. Ruby and co are all so hopelessly naive that they completely ignored the clear and obvious signs of a dictator and then made shocked pikachu faces when he 'tried to leave all the poor people behind to die because of nothing but laziness, cowardice, and classism,' which makes them look really bad. B. Ruby and co are all so dumb that they just didn't realize that all the obviously bad stuff he did was obviously bad and should be a deal breaker because they're just that oblivious. Or C. Team RWBY and their friends can be slotted into the same category that the anti-rwdes put IW fans who say that the fall to villainy was rushed and that he wasn't always clearly bad, and written off as pro-dictator probably classist bigots. Ruby literally shared information on the war with him after a bunch of stuff in season seven because she and Oscar decided to trust him.

(Just to be clear, I don't believe any of that. I believe that Ironwood wasn't clearly super bad until he shot Oscar, and Team RWBY weren't in the wrong to work for and help Ironwood and believe in some of the things he was doing.)

But, using that 'James was always a dictator who was always clearly bad' logic, what does that say about the narrative RWBY the show was presenting us with. Because... Team RWBY and co weren't treated as in the wrong for working for and helping Ironwood and believing in some of the things he was doing. They doubted him a little, here and there, but for the most part just worked with him, and then nobody was like 'we were so stupid to trust him after everything he did' and nobody was like 'We need to be more careful because we were working with a dictator FUCK." In fact, Yang and Ren saying anything against Ruby was still treated as completely bad and something they needed to take back, even though she was the one who told the supposed clearly evil dictator important war secrets. Sooooo, if Ironwood really was a dictator, what was the 'Ruby did no wrong' stuff supposed to tell us as viewers? XD Like I honestly truly prefer thinking 'these writers just screwed up their fall to villainy arc pretty badly' rather than thinking 'these writers deliberately made the heroes willingly and happily work for an evil dictator for months and trust him with important war secrets.'

Once again I'm wondering how RWBY simps manage to make RWBY seem eight times worse than it is while they're trying to defend it.

#rwde #anti rwby #anti rooster teeth #rwby critical #rwby criticism #rwby crit #rwby bashing #rwby hate #pro ironwood #pro iw #ironwood defense

[sentiniel]

ooh what did i tell you. you all wanna be me so bad.

#rwde #rwby crit #look im just salty. i hold no grudges really #except for a 'i told you so'. #like. really. it's not a suicide attempt #ruby is too important as a character for the show to let go of #and the people in the world already said reincarnation is integral to their ecosystem #how hard is that to understand? #anyway my point is #yall really jumped on the suicide bandwagon real quick #when all the tea was supposed to do is help you #if you are depressed and you go into therapy you know you'll come out better #but did you know that your medication has a black box warning? #you were reacting to the black box warning #let it go.

[19-bellwether]

I've been pirating RWBY since a friend asked to watch it with me, but I've avoided speaking much about it since I don't want to get pulled deep into the fandom again. But I'm going to break the silence this once because this last episode annoyed me.

This is the fourth time a female character has been maimed or killed for Jaune's development.

While I can accept Pyrrha for being the first occurrence and being better written, the instances with Weiss, Penny, and now Ruby have become worse each time. This one especially grinds me because focusing on Jaune's pain is exactly what made Ruby run away in the first place. I absolutely did not want to watch five minutes of Jaune rehashing a lesson he's learned multiple times just so WBY can smile and hug as if Ruby didn't kill herself in front of them.

I still don't think Jaune should have been there in the first place. His arc was already complete, but the writers relapsed him using Penny's death just for the sake of prolonging his relevance. I hated when he fell at the end of the V8, and my fears that he'd usurp time and development again came true. Blake hasn't said anything about Ruby yelling at her. Weiss hasn't had a character arc at all.

Like we had two volumes with a massive scope that left little time to focus on the main characters. This volume should have let us revisit plot lines and relationships that were put on hold, but all we got were bumbleby and Ruby angst. Which are great! But where are the other team dynamics? Where are the echoes of their past character arcs? It's a shame the volume built for character study is not seizing the opportunity to its fullest.

I'm not going to beat around the bush. I don't like Jaune and it's ridiculous that the one chance to develop Team RWBY in a volume with a small, singular scope has gone unfulfilled. I want him out of the show, and for the show to actually focus on its title characters.

#rwby #rwby spoilers #rwby crit

[lionizehim]

throwaway thought on my rwby side blog, but i can't help and wonder if i'm reading too much into the paper pleasers and the fact that they're origami and that they believe in some version of reincarnation ala buddism. and then everyone calling them suicidal (negative connotation) afterwards

#rwde #rwby crit #i might be stupid #but through my once-depressed asian lenses #idk hits a bit close to home #and looks loose enough for me to draw coincidences #so might just be a me problem

[aceironwood]

So what the hell happened with the looks for Bruce and Clark here

#my posts #rwby/jl #rwby #maybe it was not a good idea to make crwby worknon both v9 and a movie #i really liked both of their looks in the comics but this is just not it #why did they swap bruce’s bat ears for wings #rwby crit #bruce wayne #clark kent

[imperium-dragon]

Coming back from the dead just to say bumbleby getting this far is criminal. As much as i like the ship, it isnt iconic at all. Kids being delusional 🙄

#rwby #bumbleby #rwby crit #imagine this mid ship winning vs catradora AND bubbline #kids: derogatory #like as a hardcore eimiko shipper i voted harlivy #like catradora and bubbline had to fight studio execs to even get out there #dont get me wrong i ship bees #but they just arent iconic

[hardleywhelmed]

Was the dialogue in rwby always so awkward and slow omfg. Why does noone talk abt this bc after a few years of hiatus I wasn't ready to come back to find flat voice acting 💀💀

#im gonna be real rn thebrwby VAs arent very good bc they arent VAs #theyre very flat in their deliveries often #rwby #crwde #rwby crit #crwby crit #and its not fun to listen to #the side characters have SUCH good VAs too so its 😭 #i love the cat so much 😭

[hyperfixation-hideout]

I know we saw neo transform in to Oscar ,but if he not in v9 we may have to wait tell 2024 to see Oscar here hoping he in volume 9

I guess I kinda said everything I'd say to this ask in the last one, whoops :P But yeah it could be until late 2024 in v10, or if they keep up this sort of schedule, it may be 2025ish. I mean, for him to be in the show for real. I can see v9 ending with them getting back to vacuo and seeing the others, or even having a moment of reunion, before cutting away on a cliffhanger or a wholesome reunion note.

I'm just paranoid about a potential timeskip that'd undercut the arcs set up for Nora, Emerald, Oscar, and Oz, as well as the continuation of the Schnee stuff (especially for Winter & Whitley), and the characters mourning their friends' deaths.... I'd say "no way they'd miss out on that opportunity!" but looking at how no one batted an eye about Oscar being tortured in v8, I could see it happening :/ Guess we'll have to wait (and wait) and see.

#yeah let's tag this again cause I can understand why some may not wanna see this #rwde #crwby crit #rwby crit #again I'm glad they're taking time rather than pushing their workers to their limits #I just worry #quinanswer

[thatsjustrwde]

soooo…i watched the first two episodes…

oh boy.

just… no

#rwde #rwby crit

[violentlyscreaming]

Art by jmnp7888

I can’t believe it’s webseries v webseries

#rwby #yang xiao long #bumbleby #blake belladonna #bmblb #critical role #crit role #yang x blake #beauyahsa #beauregard lionett #yasha nydoorin #beauregard x yasha #mighty nein

[matt0044]

On RWBY, The Amazing Digital Circus and Toxic Indie Fandoms...

Fans of cartoons, animated movies and animation in general have a... bit of a complex. Largely when it come to snubbing a new movie and/or show for not being just like what ever the standard bearer is at the time. A mentality that really hurts critical discussion than help. Like... getting mad at, say, Big City Greens of what Disney pulled with The Owl House is just not cool.

I find it happens a lot with Animation Twitter spaces being all about taking Disney down a peg be it because Spiderverse or Puss In Boots (take your pick at this point). Though in that case, it's a case of one-up-manship getting way too out of hand since there's at least a vocal push back.

With RWBY being pitted against every other indie animation, it's actually not too much of a unique case.

It has been a small scale project getting massive amounts of hype from the pilot (or Trailers as with RWBY's case) only for the show to come out and split its pre-established audience down the middle.

This split starts and widens when it comes to how a character may be initially presented only for more facets to them to be revealed. It should go without saying buuuuuuut the creative team are not mind-readers. Even the most popular of fanworks will inevitably NOT reflect what the show will develop into whether they come close or not.

However, that investment in fanon is liable to clash with what canon goes with. Some fans take it is stride and are willing to hear the showrunners on their direction. Others... take it personally.

Maybe a character that seemed mean but wronged turns out to be a very shitty person.

Maybe a character that seemed shitty has some hidden depths beyond how they initally came across.

Maybe the story is taking a turn that, well, had precedence but feels alienating to those who preferred the previous status quo.

Maybe the pacing feels off with certain reveals that may be a skill issue on the writer's part.

The issues may vary but a lot of this comes from a sort of "bigger they are" type of backlash with a lot of specific expectations formed of the story before there even was one.

Now this might sound like RWBY but... a lot of them were inspired by the polarized comments of Helluva Boss Season 2.

It happening to Vivziepop.

It's happening to RWBY.

And let me tell you, it WILL happen to The Amazing Digital Circus even if it has a limited run planned.

A character will become more than just some fan's blorbo for better or worse and said fans will loose their shit.

A ship will sail however much they wanted sunk.

No matter what, there will always be ONE FAN that will be pissed off.

#heluva boss #vivziepop #vivianne miedema #rwby #rooster teeth #the amazing digital circus #glitch productions #animation #animated movies #tv animation #cartoons #indie animation #indie animated series #crunchyroll #greenlight volume 10 #fandom #toxic fandom #toxic negativity #fandom crit #fandom critical #fandom criticism #fan expectations #you can't please everybody #monty oum #across the spiderverse #into the spider verse #puss in boots #puss in boots the last wish

[howlingday]

Ruby: It's... It's definitely more of a romantic setting than a family restaurant-

Weiss: IT'S A FUCKING POT OF CHEESE, RUBY!

#rwby #random dirtbag crits #ruby rose #weiss schnee

[sentiniel]

no but like i'm also obsessed with neo's backstory. neo killed her parents to elope with torchwick and then killed ruby who killed torchwick. this girl is so bad bitch that she went full crazy, spawned a copy of her dead husband to egg herself on for murder, and then immediately had a mental breakdown afterwards. it wasn't animated well but this bitch was really just a paper thin character filled with hot air and i'm obsessed with the way they dug her out of her grave.

#also her aesthetic is always on point. #and also??? did you see that ^u^) swaying??? #i love you neo #why did they do you dirty like that #also really cute to finally #FINALLY see some proper torchwick x neo content #smh #rwde #rwby crit #rwby v9 spoilers #rwby v9

[19-bellwether]

One of my issues with Volume 8 is its recurring use of the logical solution instead of the satisfying resolution. It's logical that Qrow should give up his revenge quest to do something productive, but it's not a satisfying end to that arc. It's logical that Hazel should betray Salem when he sees her destructive goals, but it happens so suddenly it gives me whiplash. It's logical that Penny should choose Winter to be the maiden, but it leaves Chekhov's Gun unfired after she promised Ruby she could be the last in her thoughts. It's logical that Ruby and Yang wouldn't have any hard feelings over splitting up, but it feels like a missed opportunity to explore their values and relationship.

Volume 8 was struggling under the weight of its massive cast, and many subplots were rushed or outright dropped as a result. The writing feels like an attempt to cleverly patch those holes, but only hurts the emotional weight of the story.

#rwby #rwby crit #discourse

[littleblackqrow]

((I suppose I cant be completely shocked that people are willfully misinterpreting the epilogue but alas.

Firstly let's look at Winter. She's very clearly still in a bad place. You can't scream about Ironwood's PTSD and not acknowledge that Winter's thoughts clearly express Survivor's Guilt. Things that clue us into this are phrases such as "It should have been me" or "You would have known what to do, Sister."

Her monologue is her looking around at the state of things and blaming herself for it. If she had been better, and done things differently, maybe Weiss would still be here. The statements are not necessarily true; there's no way to know if Winter's actions would have changed how the Fall played out, especially considering that everyone was acting with the best information available to them at the time. But survivor's guilt doesn't care about that.

Contrast this with Qrow. This is a man who's spent most of his life in a constant state of guilt and shame. He has finally made the turn away from alcohol and is trying to improve himself. This is the culmination of the journey he started in volume 7 (remember his part in "Brand New Day" But now I think there's time for me to make corrections/ Turn this ship around/ Gotta look inside, a little introspection/ A better me might come around).

Things are bad, and he says so himself. He's just making a conscious effort to make the best out of a bad situation. He's taking things one step at a time like he told Willow. While its hard to know exactly how much time has passed, its enough that people are starting to heal from their grief. Life doesn't just stop, and there's still a lot of work to do.

Its what RWBY would have wanted, and Qrow will carry his nieces' burdens.

When he looks at Ruby's mural, he's clearly upset. Ruby still means the world to him, and she's definitely an inspirational figure. It means quite a bit to him. And then we see Qrow leave, taking a few minutes to process his feelings alone. That's when the RWBY+J show up with Raven.

And as for why anyone would care about RWBY+J? They weren't the only ones to think about contacting the world, but they were the ones who DID it! Ironwood could have done the same damn thing, but he chose to use his resources and time to run away rather than get out an SOS. If rwby and co had time to get off a message to the world while dodging Salem and Ironwood, he could have also done that! He could have gotten out a help message and evacuated Mantle properly all in the time it took him trying to kill or capture rwby for no reason.

#rwby meta #i didnt wake up thinking I'd be writing a spite meta but here we are #there's a difference between crit and willfully misinterpreting what is clearly on the page #qrow branwen #winter schnee

[marrow-minded]

saw a post saying that clearly yang was shifting into "mom mode" when ruby was raging and like. i need you people to understand that despite what the story wants you to believe, yang is only two years older than ruby. shes not rubys mom, shes barely her older sister.

the ever after can literally see into your soul and desires and mind and warps itself to show what you *need* to do, what is most important to you. and for yang, that was not her possibly suicidal younger sister thats grappling with the weight of their losses and their mistakes, let alone yangs own involvement in said tragedy, or the friends they left behind; it was hooking up with blake, who has spent the entire time in ever after giggling and gushing and having the time of her life, acting like they didnt wipe a fourth of the world off the map. yangs priority, according to the show, IS NOT RUBY, and thats the problem.

your headcanons are not fact. saying that yang probably knows that ruby gets like this sometimes is frankly ridiculous given that yang is barely older than ruby and was never exactly in control of her emotions and impulses; if youre just going to make shit up to try and do the writers job for them, stick to bumbleby, okay? leave the actual story and plot to people that can tell the difference between fact and headcanon

#rwde #rwby yang crit