#s5 salt

[theglimmadoraarchives]

Glimmer and Adora have so much chemistry together. They had a lot of build-up as a couple, and they have so many sweet moments together.

Yet the writers of Season 5 didn't let Glimmadora become canon.

C*tr*dora is an unhealthy ship.

Glim / Bow is rushed.

#glimmadora #anti catradora #s5 salt

[generalluxun]

I’m wondering if they forgot about the “Everyone hates me, I have no friends, I’m useless line?" Why does Chloe not view Sabrina as a friend has been a massive question on my mind since that episode.

Now I'm suspecting it's because on some level, Chloe suspects that Sabrina would be better off without her, and that's why she said it. And Season 5 would imply she's right.

I disagree. I think it is because she is fully aware she was buying Sabrina's friendship. It's possible Sabrina sincerely wanted to be friends, but André taught Chloé that you buy people. Once you start down that path though you can never know if the friendship is sincere.

This is why later the friendship devolves into dehumanizing. The step after gifting is seeing what someone will put up with. The person always hopes the other will stay, but expects they won't. Over time they increase the pressure, trying to find the breakpoint because 'I'm unlovable, eventually they will see it and leave' turns into a self fulfilling prophecy.

The only thing S5 proved is that the writers had a checklist. Sabrina's break from Chloé was dross. It *could* have been done well, but they just didn't care to. They had 47 other things to cram in and a tight schedule.

#ask #sabrina raincomprix #chloé bourgeois #s5 salt

[realmofrefuge]

Miraculous Season 5 finale

Pretty sure THIS sums it up:

Austruc needs a swift kick in the ass for such a bullshit finisher!

#miraculous ladybug #s5 salt #ml s5 #miraculous s5 #we were all thinking it

[sidsinning]

I legitimately can't believe a show like MLB with MLs like Adrien and Luka let Ondine end up with Kim after he lightheartedly mentioned he did one of the worst things you could ever do to a girl and then said "Chloe’s the prettiest girl in the world and the funniest too" right in front of her

He didn't even do anything to earn her heart back he just apologized to Mari

Poor girl

#ml #mlb #miraculous ladybug #kim salt #ml derision #ml s5 spoilers #ml spoilers #ondine #sidrabbles

[eddo-tensei]

"Make sure that Adrien never knows about the villain that I was, but instead, that he remembers the times I tried to be a good fathe-"

YOU TRAPPED HIM IN AN ACTUAL WHITE ROOM WITH HIS EX AND MADE LITERAL AI VIDEOS OF THEM DATING TO AIR TO THE ENTIRE WORLD! SHUT THE FUCK UP!

#miraculous ladybug #miraculous #mlb #ml writers salt #ml salt #gabriel agreste #gabriel agreste salt #gabriel salt #ml s5 spoilers #mlb recreation #mlb s5 finale

[melodiousramblings]

THEY MADE A FUCKING STATUE IN HIS HONOR A MORHERFUCKING STATUE TO THAT ABUSIVE PIECE OF SHIT DOMESTIC TERRORIST FUCKHOLE

AND OF COURSE ADRIEN DOESNT FIND OUT ANYTHING. HE GETS RO KEEP HIA AMOK BUT LOL HE SOESNT FIND OUT HIS FATHWR WAS AN ABUSIVE FUCKBUCKET

WHAT RHE FUCK WAA RHE POINT OF HIM FIGHTING HIS FATHEE IN REPRESENTATION IF THEY WERE JUST FONNA MAKE HIM SEE HIS FATHER AS A HERO IN RHE END WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY GIVE HIM CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT LIKE THAT JUST TO WIPE IT AWAY LIKE IT SIDNT FUCKING MATTER IMAGINE BEING AN ABUSE VICTIK AND SEEING YOU ABUSER AS A HERO LIKE WTF WHERE IS HIS FUCKING AGENCY MOTHERFUCKER

CAN YOU TELL I HAVE FEELINGS ABOUT THIS OMFG I AM SO ANGRY

ALSO ALSO ALSO SO IF MARINETTE IS NEVER GOING TK TELL HIM ANYTHING ABOUT HIS FATHER OR BEING A SENTI IS SHE JUAT GOING TO CARRY RHAT SECRET FOEVWER???

OH YEAH BECAUSE THATS SURE TO MAKE FOR A HEALTHY RELATIONSHIP RIGHT THERE OK NOT LIKE SHE NEEDS ANY MORE TRAUMA LMAO

WILL SEASON 6 FUCKING FIX THIS? FUCK I HOPE SO

Ok rant over I’m gonna scroll the tag and/or Twitter for a bit and go to bed, it’s 3:25am.

Please don’t come at me for this post. I’ve been holding all of this in since I watched Recreation in storyboard form months ago. I knew this was coming. It doesn’t make me any less angry.

Also yadda yadda Lila is the next Hawkmoth, woo fuckin hoo. I wonder what freaked her out there in the end though.

#miraculous ladybug #ml spoilers #miraculous ladybug spoilers #ml s5 spoilers #ml s5 finale #ml s5 finale spoilers #ml conformation #conformation spoilers #ml recreation #recreation spoilers #ok I think that covers all the spoiler tags #ml salt

[tenebraevesper]

If this scene is the Finale of PV!Ladybug...

…then we have a confirmation that in an universe where PV!Ladybug happened, Félix as Chat Noir was part of the final battle against Papillon.

Somehow, a 3 minute PV!Trailer delivers more than the actual Miraculous Ladybug show.

#Ten's Thoughts #felix agreste #bridgette cheng #gabriel agreste #papillon #ladybug #chat noir #miraculous ladybug #ml salt #ml s5 finale salt #ladybug pv #miraculous ladybug pv

[nixthelapin]

So apparently the Miraculous writing team released commentary on the s5 finale, during which they explain that Chat Noir not being in the final battle was planned from the beginning. (All the way back in 2014/2015)

Like, they had to come up with a reason (they were struggling to figure out how to keep Adrien away instead of him, like, cataclysming the wall determined to help his Lady) for that specific outcome, rather than a good reason supporting the outcome.

And their big reason? Wanting to use the Bug Noire combination on Marinette. That’s it. They left out the second most important protagonist, one with personal connections to the villain… because they wanted a cool power up scene.

Just when I thought I couldn’t hate that outcome any more than I already did.

#no wonder they’ve been sidelining him so much #they’ve planned this from the beginning #they literally don’t care about adrien #miraculous #mlb #miraculous ladybug #mlb salt #miraculous salt #miraculous s5 #adrien agreste #marinette #marinette dupain cheng #ladybug #chat noir #cat noir #bug noire #thomas astruc

[gentil-minou]

I really should be sleeping but I really think one of the reasons Adrien is so fond of the statue scene and why it led to the realization of his feelings for Mari is because in that scene she's basically doing what he does as Chat Noir to Ladybug.

As in she's speaking his love language.

And I don't mean cringe, I mean honestly saying how she feels, showing open and deep devotion for the other person, a willingness to be vulnerable and dramatic in pursue of passion and love.

It must have been so jarring for Adrien to see Mari act that way, because it really is something Chat would do. And while I do think he thought it was just her joking around, that playfulness is what Adrien adores! And remember in psycomedian how important comedy is for Adrien! And Mari, well she's like him!

That "cringe" that all the haters complain about is exactly what Adrien loves about Mari, because it's exactly how he would express his feelings! And, as we've seen in canon, it is what opens his eyes to her and to his own feelings.

Don't forget Mari has ALWAYS struggled with her feelings and never been clear about them. That's WHY the statue scene happened in the first place, because Adrien thought she hated him. And all he wanted was to know if she maybe, just maybe liked him back. At least as a friend.

What he got instead was something way more, and I really do think it's because once she did say her feelings, in that ridiculous over the top way of hers to a statue, he realized they were more similar than they'd previously though.

LISTEN TO THE BOY.

#insert taylor swift i'm the problem gif here #except the problem is the stupid salters ajdjgjsjfjks #anyways i had to rant everytime someone goes and salts on my puppeteer 2 posts i fight back by spitting more facts #anyways im gonna go read fic and sleep well knowing i actually freaking understand the show lmao #miraculous ladybug #adrinette #ladynoir #puppeteer 2 #ml determination #ml s5 #bushy overthinks things #ml meta

[theerurishipper]

We're in unfortunate implication nation, baby

The Season 5 finale, with the help of episodes like Chat Blanc and Ephemeral, establishes that Adrien's emotions are to be seen as inconveniences or even seen as potentially dangerous in such a way that they need to be controlled by another person. This validates Gabriel's abuse of Adrien by suggesting that he was right all along to control Adrien, lest he goes out of control by being emotional and destroys the world or something along those lines.

By all logic, the Paris special doesn't portray a true morality swap situation, just a story about the same people with the same capacity for good who have gone down the wrong path, but can be brought back to the light. Everyone who is good in our world is good in theirs, and vice versa, as evidenced by the fact that the terrorist children are going to be redeemed but Chloe is still somehow still evil. Gabriel is among those who are considered good.

The above point is further driven in by the fact that Gabriel is akumatized (I forgot the word used in the special and I'm too lazy to look it up) into Guardian Angel in the special, a phrase commonly associated with caring and protective caretakers of any kind even though his son has become a magical terrorist despite his wonderful parenting, somehow.

Gabriel is akumatized into Guardian Angel by Marinette, and considering the revelations from the Season 5 finale, this works as foreshadowing for her siding with Gabriel and essentially continuing his work of controlling his son. Gabriel is named Guardian Angel by her, and in the narrative, this implies that she validates him as a parent, metaphorically now and literally later.

Considering the lack of morality swapping, her actions in the finale and the fact that Marinette is the writers' mouthpiece, this is the writers' way of informing us of the wonderful parenting abilities of Gabriel Agreste, reinforcing the idea that Mr. Monarch is not evil, just misunderstood.

In fact, the Paris Special has Claw Noir be a murderous villain who is willing to Cataclysm his opponents in a universe where Gabriel is a good father, leading to the conclusion that Gabriel's lack of abuse and control of his son has led him down this dark path. The implication being that he needs to be abused or else he'll become a villain.

And this is supported by the fact that Gabriel akumatizes Chat Noir into an angelic version of himself, complete with the angel wings and white costume and all, showing us that Adrien on his own is prone to becoming a volatile monster and needs Gabriel to keep him line and turn him into the angel he is today.

I hate it here.

#MLB #ML Paris Special #Miraculous World #ML Salt #ML Writing Salt #ML Writers Salt #ML Leaks #ML Spoilers #ML Paris Spoilers #Meta #My meta #S5 Finale #Marinette Salt #I guess??

[camelots-rose]

The fact Gabriel a child abuser, that took part in a murder(Shanghai special), almost murdered an entire family small children included(Senti bubbler), threatened to start World War 3 (new york) and has been terrorizing Paris for over a year not only gets hailed as a hero but gets his crimes buried by Ladybug meanwhile Chloe a child that has done far less than him not only gets treated like the devil incarnated but is sent off to live with her abuser as a 'just' punishment is quite frankly disturbing

#chloe bourgeois #gabriel agreste #ml spoilers #miraculous season 5 spoilers #ml season finale #ml season finale spoilers #marinete dupain cheng #ml gabriel agreste #S5 finale spoilers #ml chloe bourgeois #chloe bourgoeis #ml writers salt #ml finale #mlb #mlb season 5 #miraculous ladybug #thomas astruc #thomas astruc salt #chloé bourgeois #ml #queen bee #Hawkmoth #monarch #shadow moth #ml critical #ml writer critical #ml writing criticism #ml criticism #shadowmoth

[theglimmadoraarchives]

Can we talk about how OOC Adora is in Season 5?

The Adora of Seasons 1-4 wouldn't forgive Catra that quickly and she wouldn't date her adoptive sister.

#spop discourse #anti c//a #catradora anti #anti catradora #s5 salt

[copdog1234]

I'm trying so, so hard to not be a little salty about recent ml episodes cause I really do truly enjoy the show, but there's still just the nitpick of how Thomas treats Chloe like she's the worst person on the show, but then excuses the behavior of Andre Bourgeois, a notable enabler of Chloe's behavior.

I keep thinking I'm over Chloe's murdered redemption arc. I know that ship has long since sailed, but then we have an episode centered around Zoe or a flashback to Marinette's past out of nowhere which kinds just rubs it in our faces that, yeah, Chloe is supposed to be the absolute worst. And it annoys me.

Chloe is a child. An actual child and Andre spoiled her constantly, giving in to all of her (utterly) ridiculous demands no matter how outlandish or terrible it was. He constantly abused his power as mayor of the city. And you want me to believe that he, as Chloe's parent, had no control over any of that? That he did it cause he's blinded by his love? That he's a sympathetic character who is abused by both his wife and his daughter? And that he's actually a "good guy" who can be a "good father" as long as he has a kid who isn't a piece of shit?

No. I refuse. I actively refuse. He should've long since disciplined Chloe, being her only present parent. He had every chance for 14 years to be a good parent and he wasn't. Part of being a parent is teaching right and wrong and he did not. He is the primary reason Chloe is the way she is, not just her mom.

It's just so dumb. Why is the worst person on the planet a 14 year old girl when there is a person around her who actively nurtured her personality? But then that same person is narratively supposed to be the victim? HES AN ADULT WHO HAD A RESPONSIBILITY THAT HE NEGLECTED, HE SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED AS SUCH.

#miraculous ladybug #ml #ml salt #thomas astruc salt #chloe bourgeois #andre bourgeois #ml s5 salt #ml criticism

[qs3]

Miraculous Ladybug Meme 2 (Thomas Astruc Edition)

I'm still tired of Miraculous Ladybug. However, I got bored, so I made this. Enjoy this meme.

#mlb salt #ml salt #miraculous ladybug #miraculous s5 #memes #chloe deserves better #Somehow this show never fails to disappoint me. It's honestly impressive. #thomas astruc salt #anti thomas astruc #thomas astruc #mlb season 5 finale #Miraculous ladybug season 5 #ml writers salt #gabriel agreste salt #felix agreste salt

[sidsinning]

No offense but its really fucking rich that in the last season, Sabrina suddenly chooses to be mad that Chloe goes on a "losers are meant to be under me!" spiel- as if this hasn't been her daily dialogue for the whole time she's known her

#she literally uses you like a foot rest like what #ml derision #ml s5 spoilers #ml spoilers #ml #mlb #miraculous ladybug #sabrina salt #sidrabbles

[eddo-tensei]

SPOILERS FOR ML SEASON 5 FINALE

This is the message of Miraculous. A neglected child who gets manipulated into doing horrible things ends up with nothing and everyone chooses to leave her to be "tended to" by a mother who doesn't give a shit about her. All the while, we're supposed to treat her as completely irredeemable. Meanwhile, an abusive father who happened to be the main person who manipulated her gets a last-minute sob story to justify all the horrible things he did before making a wish that ERASED THE UNIVERSE only to be treated as a hero even by the main character who he TRICKED into giving up her Miraculouses just to spare his abused son's feelings. And we're expected to be happy about this ending.

I'm not sure there was any more of a "go fuck yourself" they could've possibly mustered with the last stretch of this season. Message received.

#miraculous ladybug #miraculous #mlb #ml s5 spoilers #mlb spoilers #ml writers salt #ml season 5 spoilers #ml salt #ml conformation #ml recreation #ml finale