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thekadster · 1 year

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cliquetober day 29 & 30: jump & stage

Fandom: Twenty One Pilots

Word Count: 605

Trigger Warnings: Implied death, mention of human decomposition

Author’s Notes: Wrote something about Dan and Sally! This was inspired by the part of the livestream where their eyes turned yellow and they started decaying, so I wanted to expound on that and humanize them a little.

I swear tomorrow's writing is going to be a happy one this is the last angst I promise KJDFGHDF

❝ Dan and Sally were two of many who pledged their faith to what was real, as cold and harsh as it may be. They were willing to fight for a life outside of Dema.

But their leap of faith would cost them.❞

also read it on ao3!

Every Bandito has a choice to make.

In the world of Trench, there are always two options: faith and sleep. One must pick between the world inside Dema’s walls and the world outside it; allegiance to one means animosity to another. Faith to the Bishops, or faith to freedom? Remaining asleep to the truth, or remaining asleep to what vialism dictates?

Dan and Sally were two of many who pledged their faith to what was real, as cold and harsh as it may be. After finally seeing Dema for the deathtrap that it was, sleep felt more like a betrayal than anything. So, they promised each other that somehow, someway, they would find a way out.

Working with the Banditos in any form was strictly prohibited, so they had to keep their plans under wraps. But when the two of them heard about Clancy, they only grew more intrigued.

Rumor had it that their friend was able to escape through the underground tunnels and breach the city walls. They wanted to ask him so many questions about the outside; how it looked like, how it felt like, whether it was anything like what the Bishops had told them. They’d only heard of it in stories, the mountains and rivers and forests left entirely to their imagination.

The thought of following after him was daunting, but they were willing to take that leap of faith. If he did it, they figured they could, too.

But life turns plans upon their head, as they say.

Their spirit and drive were undeniable, but they got caught. One unlucky turn, one guard that just so happened to be there, and their whole mission fell apart. The act of defying the Bishops in such a way was unforgivable. Their life would become nothing more than three letters and the four walls of a cell, isolated from each other and the rest of the world.

And so, until the very end, that’s how it would be.

But their story wasn’t over yet.

The Bishops had an idea for a talk show. It was one of many ways of showing their followers that the city was worth staying for. This new wave of television and music appeared almost innocent, the saturation trying to match the picture-perfect idea of “home”. They would prove to the citizens that life in Dema wasn’t as bad as one might think, that the rebels were liars all along.

And what better way to do that than with two of their own?

Dan and Sally, even after their passing, still had a use to the Bishops. They were the hosts of this new show, the poster children for this new era. Dressed up in their Sunday best and bright smiles, they became nothing more than puppets on a stage. Every action of theirs was controlled by the invisible strings of the supernatural, and yet it appeared so uncannily human. Like their eyes were never empty, like their hearts were still beating.

And they wouldn’t be the last, either. The Bishops’ power could only maintain them for so long before their bodies would begin to decay at an alarming rate. The human body cannot sustain so much physical activity after rigor mortis, no matter how artificial; and it would eventually give in to natural rot. Besides, Good Day Dema always needed new faces for their episodes.

The only ones who knew the truth were their family and friends, those who knew them personally. But they could only watch as the two smiled and laughed for the whole city to see, advertising the very thing they always swore to hate.

#twenty one pilots #twenty øne piløts #twenty one pilots fanfiction #lisden #sacarver #dan lisden #sally sacarver #dema #scaled and icy #cw dead body #cw implied death #cw decomposition #drabble #cliquetober #cliquetober 2022 #sulat ni kad

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dawnleaf37 · 8 months

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average tarantula hawk does not eat 3 bugs per day . Average tarantula hawk eats 0 bugs per day. Bugs Sacarver who eats 10milloin bugs per year is an outlier adn should not be counted

#and this is the thing . Because adult wasps dont eat meat they drink nectar #except Sacarver she’s built different

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catch-in-my-peripheral · 2 months

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theory

ok so like in fight club brad pitt does this little mini monologue near the end of the movie when (spoiler alert even though the movie's 25 years old) it's revealed the the narrator and tyler are the same person:

"You wanted a way to change your life. You could not do this on your own. All the ways you wish you could be, that's me. [...] I am smart, capable and, most importantly, I'm free in all the ways that you are not."

what if clancy's tyler's alter ego in the sense that clancy is like...tyler's idealized version of himself. the version of tyler that officially "beats" the bishops and dema and all that

also in fight club: "You still wrestle with it, so sometimes you're still you. [...] At times, you imagine you're watching me."

the speculation regarding the difference in timelines between tyler being taken back to dema in the jumpsuit music video and then clancy writing a letter describing what happened...that's tyler just experiencing depersonalization and watching himself be taken back

it would also explain why "clancy" claims to be the one who was in the SAI livestream when sacarver and lisden called him tyler instead

(also josh's favorite movie is fight club)

#twenty one pilots #clancy #21p #tyler joseph #josh dun #fight club #i am clancy #i posted this on reddit and everyone was like nah #so now im sharing it here

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f0linasahl0 · 29 days

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more things about the livestream experience before i go completely insane.

(warning: this is going to be a long one)

1: why is [bishop] lisden's favorite song mulberry street and why is [bishop] sacarver's favorite (if i remember) the outside or stressed out....i just want to throw that out there

2: i absolutely adore the piano spread whatever thing tyler does before he goes and raps to migrane. i dont know what its called but when he runs his hand across the piano, it was good. how did he make it sound so good and musical...

3: why is the shy away livestream version the only livestream version that is on their official "the story" playlist??? i keep thinking about that (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3roRV3JHZzaU_kQ4-7uv-ahPbFabFmRW)

4: also thinking about how they cut off holding onto you before the outro. basically all there was of holding onto you was the "entertain my faith" part...thinking about the lore THERE. how a "good day dema" ad cut off the ending as well then they talk about how happy they are !! then how it goes to mulberry street after dan LISDEN says its his favorite then how it goes so blurry BEFORE THE AD??? ----"entertain my faith" sounds something like he..wants more from the religion but they cut him off from continuing the rest of holding onto you..like he got in trouble or something? i dont know man

5: "dema is bringing you this music collection that is vibrant with saturation"... "dema wants you to enjoy this collection"..."i just felt trapped before having this collection" ... "contentment"...."now that youve heard some of this collection you must be just like us, completely saturated"..."sometimes i close my eyes to try to escape...you know you cant escape sally...yes i know!" PROPAGANDA

6: why is he holding and grabbing his head so much. past the literal deadpan ass stare hes got through the majority if not all of the experience (like even while doing his little dances you'd think he'd be smiling during...), why does he grip his head so often-- i talked about this before but like what are they doing to him man he like grips his head in almost pain so much

7: also thinking about what the lore implications of jenna and debby being in this...because im pretty sure its shown jenna in levitate is a bandito i only assume debby was one too. why are they there?? were they caught too? or did dema make clones of them to use against josh and tyler?

8: "i cant wait to see you again"

9: ”in a world where this is as good as it gets…we miss you. we really do.”

10: also can we discuss the "CONTROLLED by" dma org and good day dema??? this photo is blurry as hell but CONTROLLED BY! not PRODUCTION OF! specific word choice..also dma org...dmaorg.info...why are clancy's letters posted on a website thats directly correlated with dema...letters from his time inside as well as time outside...can we like talk about that--like other than the obvious showcase that they have his letters and are using them to lie to the people, why are they going through dmaorg?? if clancy isnt directly with dema why are they--why are they going through there???

11: the whole cutscene before lane boy "there was a wonderful structure to the city that put my cares to rest and the responsibilities of the day seemed to be accomplished with minimal effort. once a task was taught and understood, our obligations timely, and it felt secure knowing tomorrows duties would be accomplished with the same efficiency. we all worked to represent our bishop with honor knew that each inhabitant of our region had a like-minded dedication to consistency....why do i kneel to these concepts? tempted by control, control by temptation. stay low, they say. stay low," then the direct contradiction of the redecorate rap he inserts, “with the bells and the whistles scaled back like an isolated track, and he feels trapped when he's not inebriated fair to say he's fairly sedated most days of the week. he might have made it if he lived on a different street. i repeat, scaled back and isolated he says he likes an open schedule but he mostly hates it if you're running to his room, take a breath before you break-in put your ear up to the door, tell me can you hear him saying?” using clancy's letters to show praise to dema then clancy (tyler) directly contradicting being like "no i hold zero praise for this city" and saying how hes isolated and sedated when hes not preforming--how he ALMOST made it out. how if he lived A LITTLE closer to the walls he wouldnt be there right now-

12: the way the old songs are "SCALED BACK AND ISOLATED" ???? A SCALED BACK AND ISOLATED TRACK????

13: the way ned is missing in chlorine when he was such a big part of chlorine

14: AGAIN this shy away version. one-why is it so important to the story, two-the 9 chairs for 9 bishops around the table, three-i fucking love the guitarist by josh i love his energy, four-THE WAY HE BREAKS A GLASS WHEN TALKING ABOUT BREAKING THE CYCLE IN HALF???, THE SCREAM !!!! so many things

[so many things you guys]

15: the fucking bishop ass dancers to stressed out....can we discuss that too. ALSO HOW THEY DRAG HIM TO THE NEXT STAGE FOR STRESSED OUT?

16: "but remember you should- *cut off*" YOU SHOULD WHAT SALLY SACARVER????

17: also firstly, how beautiful the ukulele part was...it was so gorgeous, also the transition was amazing. though past that, can we talk about how fucking sad he looked on that little boat with his uke? was that a mock to his escape attempts? to him singing to an empty sky in trench? singing to the banditos as they boat someplace safer? like...

18: THE MOCKING OF THE BANDITOS WITH THE FUCKING JUMPSUIT/HEAVYDIRTYSOULD PART?? why would dema do that? why would the bishops actively make josh and tyler look like the banditos if it wasn't just a mock? they dont like the banditos i thought why would they have them dressed up like that? like torchbearer bringing the torch to the stage and the look josh has on his face-then tyler also being in a bandito outfit. like--it has to be mocking his attempts. mocking the banditos or SOMETHING

19: heathens being in the livestream makes me think a little too but i dont know. "all my friends are heathens take it slow, wait for them to ask you who you know. please dont make any sudden moves you dont know half of the abuse."

20: also first, what was that alarm that was sounded before never take it? what happened there? second, the lore people have posted about never take it and how it was about the bishops? the way it was played while the alarm was going off and it was almost messier filming...

21: HIM ENDING THE LIVESTREAM WITH "nobody's coming for me" and his deadpan look (sobbing)

22: again, bringing up sally sacarver and dan lisden. sacarver and lisden being bishop's names and hosting this livestream. then showing directly how the bodies they are controlling are deteriorating as the show goes on. "The rules are that you can only seize or control a dead body, and only for a short while."

23: also just the heavydirtysoul part. starting to think about the: "I tricked Nico into taking me outside the walls. I created a fiery diversion. I escaped." i just keep thinking about that and:

24: "we've come for you, we've got people on the way, no chances, none at all" the way this is direct quotes from dan and sally, who are bishops, and it is also direct lyrics (or close to direct lyrics) from no chances. it just keeps cementing itself on everything ive already thought about

25: past just the livestream experience what is with josh and the bucket hat lol. i love it but like.-

26: "you ask me if its real, i see your shifting eyes, you dig in your heels, i dig my hole to die" also wondering why the "live from the outside" version is here rather than the original.-is it important

27: his little dances are my favorite thing-

28: CAR RADIO...car radio. thats it thats the point. just the car radio part is everything to me--its giving old car radio performances and im living for it. though also old car radio performances? did they put it together like that on purpose?

29: NEVER TAKE IT HAVING A BURNING CAR HOLY SHIT FIREY DIVERSION? LMAO just how close he is to the camera during this too...so many thoughts

30: "...you know you cant escape sally...yes i know!" IS THIS LIVESTREAM SHOWING CLANCY AND HOW HE DIDN'T ESCAPE EITHER?? SHOWING THAT HE HAS BEEN CAUGHT AND IF HE CANT ESCAPE, THE NOTORIOUS CLANCY, THEN YOU CANT EITHER???! SO MANY THOUGHT!!

[sorry for how long this is-]

DID THIS SHOW HOW MANY THOUGHTS I HAVE HERE. im going insane like i keep thinking about the lore implications of this goddamn livestream. i have more points (i will make a essay list whatever for it all so i don't go any crazier) but this is already a lot for one post. just wanted to like...throw this out there. i know some might be a stretch but please just hear me out. just hear me out :,)

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shesacarver · 2 months

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this still leaves so many questions. who exactly is josh in the world of trench? sure josh is the leader of the banditos but does he have a character that we’ll get introduced to? and what about jenna? she’s shown up in the universe, who does she represent?

hello ! i dont know !!!!!!!

i think its weird that I Am Clancy completely ignores josh ? sure its about clancy ( quite obvious ) but … zero josh

the things i know abt him for a fact are:

he’s the torchbearer , and functionally the leader of the banditos !!!!! obviously helps plan and participates in infiltrations / escapes . massive symbol of hope & freedom & rebellion in tyler’s eyes

he was a citizen of dema at some point ( vessel / blurryface era ?? ) . his bishop’s never been confirmed but i personally believe it’s lisden and i Do have reasons . he’s also spooky jim but brother i have zero clue what that thing is . sorry

alsoalso he’s possibly been cloned ? ? literally zero concrete proof but im getting vibes ( i Have made a post abt this im jusg too lazy to link it here )

i genuinely cant think of a reason why he wasn’t mentioned in I Am Clancy :/

now .,,.. jenna joseph .

i do think she’s involved but very minimally , not to the extent of josh + not w/ a huge impact to the lore

generally i think she’s also supposed to represent hope . dressed in yellow & flowers , tried to kill blurryface ( insecurity ) in the TIMH mv + yellow phone during the livestream + “ wife “ listed as a Good Thing in Good Day

i think she might also have a bishop ??? i think it’s sacarver and i Do have reasons .

ultimately i think tyler threw her in there jus because he loves her and not because she serves a huge narrative purpose Maybe ??????? i could be so wrong but

#i ate the worst apple while writing this and im just sorta upset now #it was such a pretty red #expected it to be sweet #just bitter and tart and Hard .#vile experience actually #also thanks for asking me ! im sorry im clueless #twenty one pilots #twenty øne piløts #tøp #top

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snekthedemonnoodle · 6 months

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SAI theory

We all know Scaled And Icy, right? Okay. So, I saw this theory about it that I wanted to share. (I found this on Reddit and copied a lot of it and sorry if this has been posted before.)

So, in SAI, the Bishops brainwashed Tyler and made him write happy songs about all the Bishops. That is why it sounds happier and is more upbeat than anything TØP has done before. Each Bishop is named after a song on Blurryface. So, if you really think about it, there will always be one Blurryface song that matches a SAI song.

Polarize and Good Day

Polarize is about anxiety and Tyler's inability to separate himself from Blurryface. It's a bad realization, and that's what Lisden represents. Good Day is about life drastically changing for the worse. Good Day is Tyler singing in kind of a shocked deny, deny, denial.

Heavydirtysoul and Choker

Both of these songs have a fear of the unknown. HDS is kind of a meltdown, comparing Blurryface to an internal demon. But the last line of Choker, 'The rear view only blinds you', means to just keep running and you'll never see Blurryface. (I was also thinking that it could have something to do with the HDS music video.)

Doubt and Shy Away

Doubt is about being stuck in a toxic cycle about self confidence. Reisdro is the Bishop of cycles about mental health. The only thing that can break the loop is Shy Away, which is about encouraging people to try new things and forget about who they are. Shy Away has tons of metaphors and euphemisms about 'breaking the cycle'.

Lane Boy and The Outside

Even on a surface level, both songs are unhappy with the music industry. Vetomo is the Bishop from Lane Boy, and he represents a dislike for conformity in general. The Outside is also unhappy, but from the other side. It's complaining about conforming being a difficult task due to an always changing mainstream.

Stressed Out and Saturday

Stressed Out has themes of dissatisfaction about every day life, which is what Nico represents in that song: your depression that paves the rest of the way for Dema. But Saturday, on a surface level, sounds like one of the least depressing Twenty One Pilots songs. But if you look at the themes of drug use by the phrase 'medicating in the afternoon' references to the vast ocean and a tight fishbowl, and implied seasonal depression if the days of the week mentioned in the chorus represent time periods longer than days suggest that the disjointed, chaotic but happy life in Saturday isn't so happy at all. Honestly, chances are that Tyler is probably dissociating in Saturday, which also means that the good feels in Saturday don't exist, and that it's just Nico's propaganda track about how depression does not exist if you forget about it.

Fairly Local and Never Take It

Never Take It and Fairly Local is probably the most direct match. In Fairly Local, Tyler tells a story about not listening to himself out of fear that Blurryface might show up. Andre represents a fear of minds that aren't yours and a fear of manipulation, and in Never Take It this is taken literally, where Tyler sings about ignoring people who are not yourself and listening to everything your mind has to say. Every pre-SAI TØP song is the complete opposite of that, but none more so than Fairly Local.

Ride and Mulberry Street

Like Lane Boy and The Outside, these songs are opposites on the issue of fear of life changing that Listo represents. Ride is about how life moves way too fast for Tyler, and that he is moving slowly in life. Overthinking kind of causes this entire song. In Mulberry Street, the same feeling of isolation because of life changing is there. Except in Mulberry Street, it is stated that ignoring it and embracing the moment isn't so bad.

Tear in My Heart and Formidable

Both of these songs are the 'love songs' of Blurryface and SAI, dedicated to the closest people in Tyler's life. Tear in My Heart is one of the most heartfelt songs about Jenna. Tear in My Heart introduces Sacarver and Formidable is his propaganda track, but Formidable is also a subtle encouragement to suppress feelings from Dema. Formidable is quite a sweet song, but the line 'my loyalty will bore you' suggests that Sacarver and the rest of Dema is most alive when Tyler is in his head alone.

Goner and Bounce Man

These songs are, again, opposite takes on a problem. Goner is about the final standoff between Tyler and Blurryface, to search for an outcome. Bounce Man's outcome is no outcome- the entire songs is a cue to run or escape from someone or something. Nills, the Bishop representing conclusions, and his SAI propaganda track is completely contradicting his Blurryface song. Bounce Man is telling people to just keep running from their own Blurryfaces. A lifelong run away from your own head. Both of these songs are running, but one to Blurryface, the other away.

What can we take away from all that?

Well, SAI is definitely propaganda and fits in with the Trench and Dema lore. This also means that Good Day, Choker, Shy Away, The Outside, Saturday, Never Take It, Mulberry Street, Formidable, and Bounce Man are against TØP's true beliefs somehow.

But wait, what about No Chances and Redecorate?

If the rest of the tracks on SAI are Tyler being controlled by Dema, then No Chances and Redecorate are what is really going on inside Dema.

A theory I saw and really liked about No Chances is it comes directly after the end of Trench, and Tyler is in an argument with the Bishops and the Banditos. Tyler wants to leave Dema and is ready to die trying, but the Banditos are telling him to wait and that they will come rescue him. Meanwhile the Bishops are telling Tyler that he doesn't stand a chance leaving Dema and that they will always come back for him.

In the beginning of Redecorate, there's a little 'Oh, oh, oh', but it kind of sounds like laughing. It could be the Bishops laughing at Tyler and/or Clancy's pain and they (the Bishops) are enjoying it. Redecorate could be Clancy's last letter.

Wow. That was a lot. If you've made it this far, kid, thank you for reading. Stay alive |-/

#twenty one pilots #dema #sai is propaganda #tyler joseph #josh dun #trench #blurryface #sai #scaled and icy #twenty øne piløts

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dmaorg-info · 5 months

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a sally sacarver cosplay in royale high! i might do dan and their decaying selves eventually but i'm really happy with how she turned out royale high devs please give us more wrinkles please please please please

#twenty one pilots #royale high #also i dont have the magic ball game pass for forgive me for my shoddy screenshots #if your curious the poster on my wall says: 'attention everyone: i bought a footlong from subway and will only eat half of it.#i'll eat the rest of it later. thank you.'

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blurryfce300 · 4 months

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nico is blurry but only one part of him because clancy teaches us that citizens only know their own bishop (he only knew keons and didnt recognize nico in jumpsuit) so tyler (as a citizen of dema) only knows nico, so to him blurry is only nico when in actuality blurry is nico and keons and sacarver and every one of the nine and he is a fragmented being post-blurryface for some reason and by some method (whether accidental or on purpose) or he was fragmented to begin with and tyler only knew the nico aspect of blurryface and still doesn’t know every part of him (even as some parts of him are dead and rotting like keons) sørry i was watching a lore recap video and had blurry thoughts

tldr: blurry as nico is just one part of the whole but because dema citizens only know their bishops tyler only knøws blurry as nico and nøt as any of the others

#blurryface #blurry thoughts #this is what happens when i get two minutes into a lore recap videø #blurryface.txt

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mossandteeth · 10 months

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Livestream Experience: the Hosts, the Escape, and Seizing

This was rotting in my drafts for a year, I haven't been bothered to finish it but I'm still happy with the theory so here's the rough draft anyway.

A post on DMAORG explains the concept of "seizing".

The top left corner deciphers to say "SIEZE KEONS", and the text at the bottom says: "Seize available vessel / at Voldsøy eastern cove / intercept bishops / glorious gone = available vessel / bishops control the available vessel! / intercept and seize / they will make you a weapon". There's a stamp that says "DEMA / SACRED MUNICIPALITY OF DEMA / UNITED VIALISTS". And finally, Greek text under the left most diagram that says "ψυχή κίνησις", which translates to "psychokinesis" or "mind movement".

In the livestream experience, Dan and Sally are hosting. In the credits it confirms that Dan is Lisden and Sally is Sacarver.

(under the assumption that a vessel can be seized if its not completely dead - part of the soul still remains) - unsure abt this part, bit of a plot hole

sally + dan have been siezed by sacarver and lisden

they are fighting back - repeated words: sally and dan repeat certain words back to each other in the breaks; "escape" is a cue. she then begins reciting "no chances" lyrics - a song considered Not part of the dema propoganda. Tyler is obviously curious about this based on his reaction to it while watching her on the TV.

alarm goes, bandito perimeter alarm? triggered by sally's cue? tyler not surprised because he heard the cue and expected it.

#twenty one pilots #lore #theory

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starboy14176 · 1 year

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Who would Mel's bishop be. Do we get 2. Make up a new one for a new fear

Bro,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I think it’s Sacarver,,,,,,,,she is that energy,,,,,,,, also sacarver has the horrors yk. Second only to nico

#nico has the most horrors #most horrible horrors to ever horrors #clancy

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kiitchensiinkrepliies · 1 year

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.:Skye:. • 《Character Sheet》

.:REGISTRATION:.

《XX7 03MOON 7 • FPE #0 • SACARVER • N.E DISTRICT》

.:PERSONAL DATA:.

《Skye • 25 • Male • Club Owner, Northeast District {Stellarivestige} • Vialist[?]》

.:character information:.

*meta information that is not known to in-universe characters willl be highlighted bold. feel free to interact with him as a greek choir/meta observer and itll be replied to as a sort of inner commentary or fourth wall break.

The owner of a successful nightclub in the northeast district of Dema, Skye is a strong, confident personality. He's known for his resourcefulness, though he hides his true intelligence behind a veneer of sillyness and apparent ignorance. All those around him in Dema see him as a vialist, naturally, and he does nothing to sway this assumption. Within the structured walls of his society, he does not make any sort of controversial waves... At least, on the surface that is. The Stellarivestige often turns a blind eye to talk of the outside, or the secret hushed conversations had in code in the darker corners of the club.

The deviance runs even deeper than anyone within the upper echelons of Dema could possibly fathom. If youre looking for a good time, a hook-up with someone in his vast list of contacts, strange substances, or just something self indulgently lurid, Skye is your guy.

Despite never having been issued an FPE mark, Skye possesses a strange familiarity with the topographical nature of Trench; Despite never having purportedly left Dema himself.

A strange, eccentric citizen to be sure, its never quite possible to predict Skye's next move; Above all else though, his sense of preservation will often win out over any consideration of morals.

.:ASKS OPEN @kiitchensiink:. .:REBLOGS APPRECIATED:.

#twenty one pilots #tøp #SAIsona #trenchsona #mine #skye stellarvestige

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dawnleaf37 · 7 months

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of course the stupid album is integrated into dawnlore . where do you think I got the name sacarver from

#this is the other album though #she is in fact a carver

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liyan1541 · 2 years

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ArtFight

Character owner 👉 https://artfight.net/~sacarver

#artwork #digital art #art #oc art #original character #sketch #artfight #mlp oc #pony art #ponysona

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damisaqueen · 1 month

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BEcause (I like you)

“Well, I have a feeling you’ll call me Tyler, either way, sir.” “Tyler.” “Sorry, sir- I mean Ivan!” Ivan chuckled.

Matt’s eyes narrowed and Tyler noticed. “Why don’t you go and buy some groceries, Matt? We need some if we’re going to have dinner…” “Oh! Or you could just take some home from the Dino Bite cafe!”

“The Dino Bite cafe?” Jenna eagerly nodded. “Yeah! We’re gonna BE working there together!” They started walking, Matt following close behind. “Matt! I can’t have you trailing behind us all the time! This is my job.”

Matt looked hurt, like a kicked puppy, but there was anger sparking in his eyes. “Fine.” He turned on his heel and walked out of the museum, not noticing the flickers of triumph in Josh’s and Ivan’s eyes, Ivan smirking.

He took care of that problem all by himself.

It’s dangerous. If he figured out that he would have been lingering like mold, he might figure out our intentions.

Blow the Piri then.

You really want to get him involved?

It’s the only way.

You’re right. Blow the Piri. Get Sacarver, and get the brother out of the picture.

Tyler cleared his throat and Ivan looked down at the shorter man. “Sorry, you zoned out.” Ivan smiled. “My bad. Shall we take you on a tour of the museum?” Tyler nodded, and they started to walk, Jenna skipping beside them.

Ivan nodded to Josh, who hurried off.

Do it quickly.

Of course.

“Where did that guy go? I swear he was right there…” “Oh, he’ll BE right back. His name is Josh, by the way.”

He’s wondering.

Almost there…

Suddenly, there was a loud noise, like a horn being blown.

The Piri has been blown.

I can tell.

Shit, it was that loud?

Yes.

Fuck, is he there yet? Is Tyler suspecting?

Ivan glanced at Tyler, who was looking around in confusion. “What was that?” He asked, meeting Ivan’s eyes. “Just a trial of our intercoms.” “Is that normal?” “Well, it’s not like we do a trial on our intercoms everyday, but we know it’s happening today. That should BE the last one.”

Josh caught up to them, slightly out of breath. “I’m sorry for slipping off, had to go to the bathroom.” He smiled sheepishly. “No worries!” Ivan shrugged it off. Suddenly, he bumped into a young man, who looked startled, then smiled down at him.

#because mv #dreamcatcher #dreamcatcher x twenty one pilots #twenty one pilots

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shesacarver · 2 years

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Two of Josh.

I believe there to be two different versions of Josh. One being the Torchbearer, and one being a Dema clone meant to keep Clancy and Tyler as complacent as possible during the production of SAI.

I believe that the Torchbearer has been present since the beginning, from Self Titled up until Trench. I’m under the impression that he was actually being held by Dema like Tyler and Clancy during Blurryface.

The last MV released for Trench was The Hype, and although it was meant to be taken as a metaphorical representation of their careers, it directly proved the existence of several variations of Josh.

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Arguably, so did Shy Away. To a lesser extent than The Hype did, but regardless.

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And then, with the recapture of Tyler and Clancy after Trench, came the fake Josh.

( Admittedly, I’m unsure who is present in Level of Concern. Also, I do believe that the Livestream Experience’s musical section is void to this theory, as the segments that did include Josh were either of Tyler/Clancy’s medically-induced hallucinations or conscious imagination. )

During the Livestream’s Good Day Dema opening, Sacarver says something along the lines of, “ Josh, where are you hiding? “, although he was fully present in the Shy Away and Choker MVs. After this, he’s present in Saturday, which was a pre-planned event for the Annual Assemblage of the Glorified. Why would she be trying to actively lure Josh out if she already had tabs on him, and was able to use him? Small observation, but Josh stands in line with the fake bishops during Saturday, rather than behind them with Tyler/Clancy.

During The Outside, when Clancy and Josh enter the cave leading to Ned, Josh turns around and exits the cave. [ MV Link, Visible 2:41-2:46 ]. But when Clancy exits the cave, he’s waiting on the rocks. This is the actual, physical switch between Dema’s Josh and the Torchbearer.

However. There are a few holes in this theory that, honestly, I cannot explain.

Why did Josh use yellow tape to make his symbolic ‘ X ‘ in Saturday? In 022 03MOON 18, Clancy writes, ‘ Though it's been years since he last spoke with them, I hope they have not lost faith in The Torchbearers plan. ‘ What reason would he have to not speak with the Banditos, if not trapped in Dema?

Ultimately, I feel as if I cannot definitively state whether or not this theory is true. Perhaps after the final 2 SAI MVs drop, I’ll be able to elaborate on this all further. ~ shesacarver

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