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spop-romanticizes-abuse · 8 months

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ah, yes. SPOP. the master of "tell, don't show".

"how do we let the viewers know that Catra loves Adora? maybe make her do something nice for Adora or hesitate to hurt her? nah, let's just have the big bad evil villain point it out."

they literally had to make three different characters point out that adora and catra had feelings for each other, instead of showing it, especially with catra.

double trouble got the closest to the truth because they used the word "obsessed" and not "love". yes, that's all that catra's feelings towards adora were - an unhealthy obsession. i still don't like the fact that double trouble then goes on to say that catra "didn't want this" because she clearly did, but that's a topic for another day

but the fact that the only proof of catra's feelings towards adora is random screenshots of her smirking and saying/doing something borderline sensual (with the context usually being catra just manipulating and/or abusing adora as usual) or random characters pointing out that catra loves adora is so.. lazy.

and the fact that 90% of the fandom uses this as "proof" and are like "haha adora is so dumb she doesn't realise catra loves her". she is not dumb. why would you assume that a person who constantly enjoys hurting you and trying to kill you has any positive feelings towards you at all? this isn't ✨ gay repression ✨ it's literally a reasonable assumption (which was proven right over and over again).

is it really so hard to write a character who shows genuine affection? even if catra is mad at adora, why not show that she still cares? that part in s1 where she returns adora's sword and told her to escape the horde was nice. it made me feel like she cares about adora's safety and well-being, even if she feels betrayed by her. but then they ruined that by having catra tell adora that she did that because she didn't want adora to return. how romantic.

catra doesn't even show friendly affection, even when they were on the same side. she just belittled adora and constantly prioritized her own feelings over adora's. and when they're enemies, adora shows restraint and makes sure not to hurt catra too much while catra does the most heinous shit to adora with absolutely no remorse or hesitation. if she really always loved adora, she wouldn't be so quick to hurt her or control her.

but that's what you expect from a group of adult writers who still don't understand the consequences of war and abuse, and who constantly prioritizes one character over the rest. it's just embarrassing. i've seen fanfictions written by children that are better than this.

#spop #spop critical #anti catradora #spop catra #spop criticism #spop discourse #spop salt #anti catra #catra #she ra #she ra and the princesses of power #she ra salt #she ra discourse #she ra criticism #she ra critical

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werewolf-cuddles · 2 years

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Every single post I have seen on either side of the "Catradora vs Glimmadora" ship drama literally just comes off as petulant whining.

Like both sides are being shitty to eachother and neither is willing to admit it. It's literally always conveniently the other side's fault.

"Catradora stans just don't want to admit their ship is toxic!"

"Glimmadora stans just can't get over that we won!"

Both of you are awful, shut the fuck up, you're making me embarrassed as hell to ship both of these pairings.

Good lord, you can just prefer one ship over the other. You don't have to argue back and forth with eachother, posting hate in eachother's tags, arguing over which ship is the morally correct ship to ship.

Fuck literally all of you. Grow up.

#ship drama #fandumb #fanpol drama #spop discourse #she ra discourse #i'm sure I'm going to get replies along the lines of #''no no you don't understand they started it it's their fault''#''catradora/glimmadora shippers are the toxic ones not us''#ironically proving my point

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plot-prominent-horde-squad-au · 2 years

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To all the people saying that people only like Kyle cause he’s a white guy, I will have you know that I personally would love him just as much, if not more, if he wasn’t white.

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derekfoxwit · 7 months

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How Animation Discourse Can Feel At Times: The Complete Collection

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yourhighness6 · 3 months

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I'm announcing to anyone who cares that I'm going to be watching SPOP for the first time since I was about ten, but before I do, here is everything I recall about the characters:

There's a girl with a sword who turns into a butch lesbian whose name I can't remember. I think she is the main character but that might be Glitter

Butch lesbian girl has an evil girlfriend who is apparently a hot furry. I can confirm. A large number of people insist she is toxic, but I am saving my judgement until I watch the show again. She also apparently runs an evil empire of some sort.

There is another girl called Glitter who is also a lesbian I think?? This is unclear, as I have seen her shipped with both the hot furry and the butch girl, but also with an archer himbo dude. She may be bisexual. I am not entirely sure how she fits into the story, but I do know she has mommy issues.

Archer himbo dude is a prince I think?? This is also unclear, but I have gathered that he is best boy and the only good man in the universe, which is very cool.

There is someone named Seahawk who likes to sing, and he has a mermaid gf named (very creatively) Mermista, who is apparently the SPOP version of Mai.

Evil empire furry also apparently has parents of some sort who are very toxic? I gather that one is a witchy sort of person and the other looks like a chaotic version of the terminator. Hot furry also has a stepmother who is very cute and autistic and has giant pigtails and is very smart. I don't know exactly how they fit into the story either, but pigtail stepmom seems like the MVP.

There is also a princess of some sort who acts like Toph. I believe her name is Frosta and she is basically the short version of Elsa but a lot more violent. I am not entirely sure why she is a princess? Is she archer himbo dude's brother? (I have so many questions)

There is an annoying unicorn with very pretty hair

That's all I know but I'm excited to learn more!

#spop #she ra #she ra and the princesses of power #idk the names honestly #glitter #mermista #seahawk #frosta #catradora #seamista #entrapdak #glimbo #noelle stevenson #I don't think I ever got through all the seasons #but I'm going to stick with it now just because #u know I'm there when there's discourse about ships

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candyskiez · 8 months

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what if we badly summarized the plots of our interests. I'll start

1. tiny neurodivergent bisexual with internalized ableism goes into a fantasy world and learns how to be an anarchist

2. chosen ones but make it an abuse allegory

3. kid goes to sleep and wakes up to literal mass murder

4. kid makes an entire fantasy RPG in his brain as his childhood friends lives fall apart due to their respective trauma

5. several lives are ruined because a kid stopped eating a sandwich and found a cool rock instead

6. several people are forced into high risk therapy by a morally ambiguous robot and also try to kill each other sometimes

7. a trans shark teaches a gay guy the power of incredible violence and fuck the police. the gay guy then proceeds to take that sentiment extremely literally.

#the owl house #toh #owl house #shera #she ra #spop #arcane #nimona #omori #not tagging third because theres so much discourse around that media that i just. do NOT wanna get anywhere near you feel me

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anti-catradora-collection · 2 months

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glimmadora appreciation post!

i can't believe they weren't a canon couple. like PLEASE LOOK AT THESE.

(I don't know if this expression exists outside of Brazil, but it's like they say: "they had the knife and the cheese in their hands and didn't do anything with it".)

there's a lot more moments i could add (including the hot springs scene), but tumblr has that limit of 10 images per post.

#glimmadora #glimmer #she ra adora #glimmer spop #glimmer x adora #adora x glimmer #spop critical #spop criticism #spop discourse #spop salt #spop #she ra

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girlinlavender · 1 month

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one of the most intriguing things about sapphic pairings, which, in my opinion, cements them as the best type of ship gender wise, (don’t come at me), is the dialectic parralels they often showcase. Very commonly, a narrative will queercode it’s characters by presenting them as something of a matched set, whether they be friends, enemies, rivals, etc.

This is especially and irrevocably true in sapphic relationships specifically because of how insanely close and often toxic and codependent female friendships can become, especially between repressed queer girls. The comparing yourself to them, the resentment and jealousy, the love, the possessiveness— it’s easy for those types of relationships to bridge on romantic, and that’s why queer girl “friend breakups” are so intense, and often so romantically charged. Because it’s essentially an actual breakup.

Similarly, as is often seen with two characters who are intertwined in this way, or any other, the narrative will present them as parallels to the other’s character, essentially inversions of each other, furthur proving the notion that these two people are a matched set— you cannot talk about one without also discussing the other, because their development within the storyline is entirely dependent on each other. Specifically, female relationships are known to present themselves in this way to a T; it’s what raises the extremely common question within queer women: do I want to be her, or do I want to be with her?

Take Jackieshauna, two girls so insanely connected that even their fucking funko pops had to be together, still codependent even when separated by death. Their relationship was insanely homoerotic, even without being canonical, which makes them one of the most popular ships in the entire Yellowjackets fandom.

Take Catradora, who were super duper codependent in their early days in the horde, and who’s narratives paralleled each other even right up to the very end of the series. They were also a matched set— yes, they had independent character arcs, but their traumas were so connected to each other that without the other, they would have turned out a completely different person, and very likely a worse one..

Take literally any sapphic ship, and you’ll likely see this issue presented in one way or another. This entanglement, like souls bound together, that can’t even become completely separate from each other in the midst of war, death, politics, starvation or cult activity. That’s what makes these kinds of dynamics so interesting, and ripe with motifs to discuss, like I’m doing now. To put it simply: fiction is bonkers bannanas, and girls are extremely close with one another in a way that cannot be understood by outsiders. People of any nature, gender, whatever, are shipped together because they are interesting together, and nothing is more interesting than people who cannot exist without some semblance of the person they care for most. Even if you don’t see them as romantic, you can’t deny the intensity and emotional intimacy share. The human condition is an endlessly expanding atrocity, and the depth that lies within it is easily exemplified by other people, and that, my friends, is why stories are good.

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queerplatonic-msr · 3 months

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What I wish the She-Ra fandom was:

People who acknowledge that Catradora is abusive and probably shouldn't have been romanticized in a kids show, but still enjoy it as the dark romance turned wish fulfillment wlw it is.

People who believe that Adora, Catra, Glimmer, and Bow should all be living happy fulfilling lives full of queerness by the end of the show, but that Catra should be living that life away from the people she traumatized.

These two groups are friends.

What the She-Ra fandom is:

People who are in complete denial that Catradora is abusive.

People who think Catra is irredeemable and should die.

These two groups hate each other.

(If you are actually a member of the first two groups though please hit me up I would love to have an spop community like that!!!)

#potentially the spiciest post I've ever made #what do i even tag something that is in a way both pro and anti catradora #guess ill use both #spop #catradora #anti catradora #spop fandom #fandom discourse #she ra #she ra and the princesses of power #princesses of power

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macksting · 2 months

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I appreciate that, in a story full of redemptions and forgiveness and second chances, Shadow Weaver couldn't even do a noble self-sacrifice without being an abusive piece of shit one last time.

#spop #she-ra #she ra and the princesses of power #shadow weaver #I don't mean nobody should be given second chances I just mean it's right to show some folks will never not be shit by their own choice #posting discourse about a show that's old enough it predates me going on estrogen #(i was a very late bloomer)#i actually wrote this in replies of some other post but was like y'know what let's say it here too

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spop-romanticizes-abuse · 8 months

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okay, so is it just me or is it concerning that the whole "drunk adora" thing is clearly a result of catra infecting adora with a deadly virus and yet it's treated as a joke?

both the show itself and the fans make light of this situation. adora was clearly in immense pain when she was infected and yet the show quickly changes its tone afterward and is like "haha look, adora is fine! she's not hurt or traumatized at all, look at how silly she is!"

the adult equivalent to this would be if a person spiked someone else's drink with clearly fucked up intentions, and people treated it as a joke. but even this isn't an accurate comparison because adora is not just drugged, she had just gone through an insanely painful experience that she had no control over.

this scene shouldn't be so light-hearted and humorous. this just proves how little the show writers cares about adora. we have to go forward to s5 and compare this with how catra was treated after she got chipped by horde prime. because these two scenes are clear parallels - a character who gets mind controlled by a villain, goes through immense pain and is turned into a weapon to fight their loved ones (the last part is a stretch in catra's case but whatever).

catra gets to take some rest, she gets to lash out at people because of her trauma, she is shown to have constant nightmares, she's shown to be scared of horde prime and is uncomfortable with the chip on her neck. in short, her trauma is taken seriously.

meanwhile, adora's trauma has no lasting consequences. she just gets to run around acting stupid for a while, then go back to normal after she is rescued.

the whole "cartoon character gets affected by something equivalent to getting drunk" is a common trope. but the difference is that in other cartoons, it's usually an accident. in the owl house, there are two instances of this trope - willow getting her memory wiped temporarily and luz falling sick. both of these aren't caused by deliberate actions. amity was definitely at fault in willow's situation but it was still an accident, and she was clearly anxious and guilty about what happened unlike catra. similarly, mabel from gravity falls also has one of these moments, where she eats too much sugar candy (or whatever that was). again, in this context, it's funny because it's an accident.

again, the show fails to deliver when it comes to adora's trauma, but what's new?

#spop #spop critical #anti catradora #spop catra #spop criticism #spop discourse #spop salt #anti catra #catra #she ra #she ra and the princesses of power #she ra adora #she ra critical #she ra criticism #she ra catra #she ra salt #she ra discourse #adora

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clearancecreedwatersurvival · 7 months

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OKay so having learned that there are people dedicating their tumblr time to whinging about how spop is ‘romanticizing abuse’, I have some things to say.

For The Record, spop is a story about ending cycles of abuse and overcoming indoctrination from christofash evangelical holy war shit. I’m sorry, but do you expect a story about These Topics to not actually show anything related to it?

I have said it before but I’ll say it again, simply portraying a topic in fiction is not Romanticizing it. You cannot write a story that is deconstructing a thing without Including The Thing.

It is worthwhile to talk about how sometimes, especially in film, a story that discusses some topic will do so in a way that objectifies the act of whatever it is. Such as when a movie that is about rape culture or a rape revenge narrative or whatever, gets a little too objectifying and voyeuristic in the framing of events. That’s good critique and useful to talk about to unpack the societal underpinnings.

But assuming that the mere presence of something within a story means that the thing is being romanticized is just always the worst take, and I see it pop up So Often on tumblr.

As another example, it is useful to critique the way adaptations of Lolita miss the point of Lolita and portray the unreliable narrator’s bullshit editorializing on the events as reality. But if you think that the actual text of the original book is actually excusing the narrator then you straight up do not understand the book. There are like six video essays on YouTube by different people explaining exactly this already, please just go watch them if you don’t know what I’m talking about.

So once more. Spop is a story about overcoming indoctrination from christofash fundamentalist holy war death cult shit, and ending cycles of abuse. These are heavy topics. But I think Spop handled them fucking beautifully and if you don’t then congrats I have to assume you’ve never had family or community members who were lost in the fundie sauce and I’m happy for you.

#spop #catradora #she ra #nate stevenson #moralizing fiction #shipping discourse #purity culture #Caitie speaks #christofascism

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bi-sapphic · 2 years

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"She-ra basically queerbaited us until the end and most characters sexualities are confirmed off screen" bro there is literally no heteronormativity in the spop universe and literally nobody has to come out. Also queer characters can just exist and dont need a lover to confirm their queerness. For example perfuma was clearly wlw but she never had to state it and didnt have to get a gf to show that and same goes for every other character. Representation isnt just a same sex couple kissing and characters stating that theyre gay or bi or whatever, they can just exist without saying anything and people can pick up on who/what they are based on how they act just like you dont need straight characters to say theyre straight.

#spop #she ra #she ra netflix #catradora #catra #adora #perfuma #scorpia #glimmer #glimbow #entrapta #lgbtq #gay #lesbian #bisexual #transgender #queer #lgbt #queer discourse #lgbt discourse

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lightlavenders · 18 days

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for instance i feel like a valid criticism of she ra is that it uses its war as a narrative backdrop that it doesn't take seriously or flesh out very deeply. which doesn't ruin my enjoyment of the show (because the show is not "about" the war!!) but it exposes cracks in the writing from time to time. however saying that, this is a show intended for children and teens to teach them about love and self worth and queerness so I think it's really up to each viewer how seriously they wanna take the war aspect given it never intended to go that deeply into the concept.

apparently some people wanted to take that aspect very very seriously!! and thats okay because critical thinking about a text is a good skill to have!! yay for sure!!

#apparently the critical thinking only goes so far #sorry no one even cares about this discourse anymore but me #the weird catra fans vs hordak fans discourse #why can't we coexist. theyre both compelling characters #it's so weird i can't #as a die hard hordak fan I believe some of yall are only saying catradora is abusive because you're insecure that their fans will call #our ship abusive #neither are. use your brain.#entrapdak #entrapta #hordak #she ra #spop #she ra and the princesses of power

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thats-ill-eagle · 1 month

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(Also applies to both yuri and hetero ships.)

It's all about the balance. Even if the abused partner is also an asshole, if they are mistreated by their partner without returning 'the favor' to them, that's not 'toxic relationship that is such a shitshow on both sides, that it's entertaining to watch'. It's just abuse that should not under any circumstances be romanticized or downplayed by the show/movie or its fandom, even if it's fictional.

#this post is about st*litz and c*tradora specifically #but they are far from the only ships #that get terribly mischaracterized by the piece of media #and its fandom #fandom discourse #fandom stuff #anticatradora #anti stolitz #she ra critical #helluva boss critical

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theothershoehorn · 3 months

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this is your daily reminder that hating morally gray female characters because they’ve done bad things and SHOWERING queer coded male characters with praise and love when they’re just as nuanced does not make you cool. It, in fact, makes you a fucking asshole.

#helluva boss #hazbin hotel #mlm #wlw #fandom #fandom discourse #she-ra #spop #catradora #gay #lesbian #tadc #doesn’t really apply here but i’m SURE IT WILL #like male characters are lovely #but treating them way better than female ones just because they’re your “gay son”/ perfect self insert doesn’t make you cOoL and qUiRkY #you just suck.#misogyny

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