#ship: moiraine and siuan

[queer-book-character-tournament]

Book names + authors under the cut

Shang Qinghua/Mobei-Jun- The Scum Villain's Self-Saving System/ Ren Zha Fanpai Zijiu Xitong by Mo Xiang Tong Xiu

Moiraine Damodred/Siuan Sanche- Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan

#Shang Qinghua #Mobei-Jun #svss #moshang #scum villain #The Scum Villain's Self-Saving System #Ren Zha Fanpai Zijiu Xitong #Mo Xiang Tong Xiu #Moiraine Damodred #Siuan Sanche #Siuraine #Wheel of Time #Robert Jordan #polls #lgbt books #queer book ship tournament

[utilitycaster]

Sort of a distant tangent off my post about Ashton, but I'm growing more and more suspicious of the fandom claim that there's no time for small RP moments in Campaign 3. I do think that it's been challenging to get deeper party bonding or serious conversations that aren't about the big philosophical questions they're facing, since those do take much more time; but then I think about Calamity, or Candela Obscura. I can genuinely give you at least a couple paragraphs about pretty much every relationship in the two Circles, or in the Ring of Brass. I can also point to no shortage of small moments between characters in the Mighty Nein Aeor or Vox Machina Vecna endgame episodes, which were all extremely plot-heavy and fast-paced, and D20 consistently nails character relationships in a fraction of the time.

I think it really does come down to, as Brennan Lee Mulligan always says, the character creation phase. Laying down a solid groundwork in which everyone has a detailed, rich backstory and sense of personality and relationship history (in the case of characters who knew each other prior to the start of the series) is absolutely crucial, and even in the case of characters who don't know each other before going in, a good amount of time spent in character creation ensures that it's easier for them to develop those interpersonal relationships on the fly. I know in actual play there's some degree of finding the character as you play, but there are games for which there is a very short runway, and I don't think it ever hurts to do more extensive character prep than the bare minimum. And if there are gaps, I think it also helps to go back and fill those in mid-way, away from the table - Travis clarifying Chetney's backstory being a great example that allowed the history of Chetney and Deanna to feel realized and full, despite only a few episodes.

I'll also be blunt: most of the time when people complain that there aren't moments because the plot keeps moving...they're mad about shipping. Which has always rung hollow to me. It was a common complaint in C2, that no time was taken for character relationships, despite them taking an entire half of an episode for the Beauyasha date and despite no shortage of moments for all three of the other couples (and plenty of platonic moments between friends). The issue was never a lack of time; it was that the characters they wanted to talk to each other didn't actually have the relationship in canon that the fans had dreamed up, and so, when the chips were down, they went to other people.

It takes two seconds to say something like "I hold their hand", even in the middle of plot-heavy adventuring. If someone doesn't say it, it's rarely the GM rushing them; it's the player either choosing not to do so, or not remembering to do so, and either of those is quite revealing regarding how the player feels about that relationship and where it stands in their priorities.

#i've felt this for a while but like. fundamentally? C3 is just...uniquely not set up for terribly satisfying shipping #even the ships I do like and that get small moments are relatively background #like 80% of quote unquote ship content is like. fanon goggles overlaying either parallel play or standard battle mechanics #which is fine! I think it's a different vibe and approach than the past 2 campaigns #i think especially in character creation; self-insert or easy for new players (c1) #followed by Morally Gray Campaign; Prove We Can Replicate This Success; Serious Characters (C2); followed by Let's Get Silly With It (C3) #which is less conducive to that profound connection of c1 or c2. which is not a bad thing! #but god. if you complain about the D&D show having too much d&d plot and not enough romance...yeah pal it's d&d not a dating sim #like I enjoy when there is romance in my fantasy but it's not a requirement. there is a genre full of romance. it is called romance. #i'm also thinking about this bc I need to watch wot s2 but i've been told that the fandom has gotten weird #like wow so moiraine/siuan is not the A plot? in a high fantasy Good vs. Evil series? WHO'D HAVE THOUGHT. #getting back to this...i'm also thinking about my own life and like. i moved to where i live not long pre-lockdown #and so i'm finding myself a resident of this area for 4+ years but with weaker connections than i'd have otherwise. and that's fine! #but psychologically i feel so weird about just starting to find my place bc it's been so long even though there's a good reason #and i wonder if the cast/Hells feels the same way ie why are we only just bonding now 70 eps in and so they're hesitant #that I Waited Too Long And Now It's Awkward feeling; that I Should Be Past This By Now fallacy #which. again. i think things early on could have been done differently but that time is past you need to live in the present now. #cr tag

[mariannekhalil]

to those who’ve been asking, I’ve reopened my inprnt and have prints for this piece available here ! (inprnt also has a sale running right now!) thanks so much for your interest and support :)

#siuraine #siuaraine #siuanraine #every permutation of this ship name #moiraine damodred #siuan sanche #wot #the wheel of time #wheel of time #rosamund pike #sophie okonedo

[moghedien]

crazy how Madonna made Like a Prayer, which is about Siuan and Moiraine, in 1989 before the first WoT book even came out

#‘on my knees??’ #‘I can feel your power???’ #‘no end and no beginning?!???!?’ #can’t believe Madonna ships Siuaraine #siuan sanche #moiraine damodred #wheel of time

[lilolilyr]

I couldn't resist.

Feel free to use these for whatever you might feel like using them for

#here i go again #memeing a ship fandom I'm only in via fandom osmosis #is this how it begins? i was just thinking about how i need another ship to binge read on Ao3 bc I'm through all of Mirandy and Avorah #x #moiraine x siuan #do they have a shipname? #the wheel of time #this barbie is #barbie meme #lilo makes memes #mine #lilo creates #wheel of time #moiraine damodred #siuan sanche #moiraine x siuan barbie #barbie 2023 #rosamund pike #sophie okonedo #lilo edits #well the only editing was making siuans clothes long enough to fit the pic without having Barbie on her face

[nonbinarylesbianherb]

making an edit on them because fuck them fr (crying)

#moraine damodred #siuaraine #siuanraine #moiraine x siuan #siuraine #siuan sanche #wheel of time #the wheel of time s2 #wlw ships #wlw edit

[high-warlock-of-brooklyn]

MOIRAINE AND SIUAN SANCHE ARE LOVERSSS?!!!!!!!!

#I'M LOSING MY FUCKING MIND #HELL YEAH #IN THIS HOUSE WE LOVE AND SIMP FOR BADASS STRATEGIC WLW SHIPS #wheel of time #siuan sanche #moiraine damodred #siuan x moiraine

[sercophe-sinderwidth]

We. Are. WoT FaaaMily~ (pt.2)

Egwene~

Egwene is the sister that you tell everything to. She may slip up and tell your business, but you can always count on her to make it right with you in the end. She is loyal, she is funny, she is driven, she is the moment—aHeM...sorry no bias, no bias— she is 100% going to help you with your earth and fire weaves, but she'll want the credit publicly and will occasionally trip you while both walk the tower grounds then run away laughing with dish water sloshing everywhere.

Egwene - sister of the same age.

Rand. Raaaaaand...Rand, Rand, Rand. At this point he can't really be related or this becomes Game of Thrones. So, Rand is that boy who became a warder-in-training just to flirt with your sister. He's the kind of guy who will hang around you and be brotherly because he wants to marry your sibling. He sneaks you cool gifts, he even keeps the secrets you don't tell family. He grows on you, so you root for the goofy boy in the end.

Rand - aiight, fine. Brother-in-law.

Siuan Sanche.

Oh. I've dug myself into a ditch. She can't be a crush if she's—

And she can't be kissing step-cousin Moiraine if she's mother (like actual mother this time).

I've effectively killed my own ship. WHOSE IDEA WAS THIS??

Ah, okay. Siuan is warm, gentle, and stern. If you act out of line you will get dealt with, but she will also thoroughly explain why you are in trouble and how you can ethically make up for it. She has a story for every conflict and question you ask, so be ready for fish references. You always leave her counsel with clarity and a skip in your step.

Siuan - ooooof, she'd be perfect for a maternal role but #shipaboveallelse cousin in-law?? Because she's with Moiraine so cousin-in-law. Step.

#oh the loops I jump through for this ship #moiraine x siuan #siuan sanche #wheel of time #wot s2 spoilers #egwene al'vere #just my thoughts #rand al'thor #again #who are these characters in your family tree?

[anghraine]

Shipping Poll (part 1e)

Good morning on this fine Saturday, folks! It's time for a new shipping poll. Yesterday's was Jolene/the person speaking in "Jolene" vs Sir Percy Blakeney/Marguerite St. Just, and it'll be up for a few more days.

Now, onwards:

Next time: Beatrice/Benedick vs Perseus/Andromeda!

#anghraine babbles #poll nonsense #shipping polls: anghraine edition #laura x carmilla #otp: through death and after #moiraine x siuan #carmilla (le fanu) #wheel of time

[tuuliivanovas]

I'm on ep 6 of wot and idk what it is about siuan moiraine that just hits so well for me. Is it the powerful women having a deep and caring romantic relationship while still having a profound effect on the world? Probably!

#siuan x moiraine #as a lesbian that doest have many wlw ships this one gives me everything i need #plot effecting characters that take solace from said plot with each other #high stakes love and drama is my drug and those 2 have it! #also a pet peeve of mine is gay couples in American media looking identical #like to the point they look like siblings #ew #so its lovely to see two people that look vastly different compliment each other so well #its the chemistry

[hikarielizabethbloom]

One scene in and I've already found Egwene's torture highly disturbing.

Most of the time I can't concentrate on Lanfear's word because I'm distracted (by her) 🤷‍♀️

I too, Moiraine, find Rand insufferable. It's a burden we must bear.

Elayne/Nynaeve is the enemies to lovers I didn't think I needed.

I ship Egwene with Revenge.

All of this remind me so much of the Mordisith's training (Cara, my beloved).

It's funny, because I like Mat, but I also don't care about what happens to Mar.

Alanna, I love you.

Leave Lan alone! Like this man could be loyal to anyone other than Moiraine.

In Lucille's voice 'I don't care for Rand' 🤷‍♀️

I can't wait for next ep. I can't wait to see Moiraine and Siuan happy (for a little while) 😍

Moiraine, making friends everywhere she goes 🤣

Siuan and Lan. Go save your woman (from herself).

I missed Logain! He is so much more interesting than Rand. (I'm sorry, I'm trying really hard but I can't stand him)

I can tolerate Rand more when he is around Mat 🤷‍♀️ The riunion was cute.

Can we keep Ryma and Basan, please?

Tell me Egwene get to kill her.

Nynaeve and Elayne are mending my lanaeve heart (since they barely had 2 scenes together)

I miss Perrin.

Come on, Mat. Not even you can do that!

Oh, poor Mat.

Ohhhh, adorable aunt Moiraine 😍

The wife has arrived!!!!!!!!!! Next ep!!!!!!!!!

Mat, go! And even if you kill him... Oh, Lan and Alanna are there... Surprise!

So I guess we won't keep Ryma and Basan? The way they fight is so hot.

Egwene pour the water. You survive and then you will kill her.

No, Basan. You'll be missed. Poor Ryma.

They held hands 😍

Not the best ep imo but a good one. I can't wait for next week though 🤣

#the wheel of time #wheel of time #wot show spoilers #wot season 2 #wot #wot s2 #wot s2 spoilers #egwene al'vere #lanfear #moiraine damodred #nynaeve al'meara #elayne trakand #alanna mosvani #lan mandragoran #siuan sanche #siuanraine #mat cauthon #perrin aybara

[jaqobis]

sorting out some finale impressions after sleeping on it

it's like.

moiraine being able to burn the ships despite the oaths; the protracted scene of renna's murder; perrin going into a rage and killing bornhald senior; rand one-shotting turak etc; mat stabbing people left and right with the dagger; nynaeve torturing the sul'dam but that plot coming to nothing (returning to that in a moment). like i read the interview, i know what the rand scene referenced. i can imagine the perrin scene was buildup for fear of the wolf. it's not that i just don't get it.

but like did dain necessarily need Valid Reason to hate perrin lol. again, i can see what they're doing. but What If The Whitecloaks Were Here To Fight The Seanchan -- which, yeah, they do oppose the seanchan in the books. but the specific framing of them to help and whatever, when no one else was willing to. specifically also throwing siuan under the bus bc allegedly the amyrlin also got a letter about this. even if this turns out to be a lie, this is the standing narrative for now, and in combination with everything else they did with siuan this season, yikes.

i read the interview, i know what the rand thing was referencing, but also that's a scene of rand acting in self-defense against darkfriends that were literally about to murder him. if he'd struck a second later, or waited, they might have succeeded. more importantly that's where he's in a situation where people have been trying to murder him literally day and night for, like, months. he hasn't slept in as long. the context is totally different. there is also a rand scene in TFOH where he talks about how it feels unfair to use saidin against non-channelers. you can just as easily argue that he Wouldn't do this.

i actually, personally, think it's very important for the egwene/rand parallels that her friends were there to save her from the seanchan, and that he later has to save himself from the box. i also think it was important for her development that she could know she has friends who would and do come for her. i also personally find that narrative much more satisfying, cool as her Moment was. i'd been spoiled about her killing renna going in, and like we can discuss morality whether rj was Right to ask if revenge is justice or if it's More Right for egwene to kill renna, we'd be here forever. i'm not really looking to comment on that. it is kind of a weird vibe to remove a meditation on violence, however, in a series that is anti-war, in a finale that seemed to make a lot of choices to depict and make this battle Cool, etc. that had us watch renna die for quite a long moment. renna certainly got what was coming to her, but idk.

Violence Is Cool. Traumatic Experiences Lead To Empowering Moments. that's the vibe it's giving.

lan continued to be used just to prop up moiraine and explain how she's feeling and talk about how good she is. at least daniel henney got a pretty cool fight scene!

tbf leaning on the whitecloaks and ishamael as sad and sympathetic has sanderson written all over it

making the sul'dam weak channelers seems to lose some of the hypocrisy central to the seanchan empire; losing some of the hypocrisy and deep societal rot undercuts the commentary on institutional-level change needed to remove the damane system. combined with the deaths of both collared sul'dams, that secret also goes lost.

(they certainly might bring it back and address it later, but arguing that It's 100% Coming, Shut Up & Stop Whining is just as much of a bad faith argument as claiming the show sucks bc hurin isn't in it. i can only comment to what exists now. also, frankly, i've been told things i was criticising previously were OBVIOUSLY going to be addressed in the finale and. weren't? so like.)

nynaeve really was allowed to accomplish nothing useful huh. no speech about justice, no part of the successful figuring out how to uncollar, no healing, no protecting her friends from forsaken, nothing. for all that elayne was immediately walking around everywhere after her dramatic wound, they could've just. let nynaeve do that.

like i obviously understand that they're showing the block is a real problem, which it is, but this is a choice that was made.

also not a single mention of ryma after her big sacrifice huh. it would add approximately 5 seconds to runtime for the wondergirls to talk about saving egwene and ryma at any point.

loial's speech about them all being heroes + mat's hero of the horn thing + crowds cheering (yes i remember the end of tdr) + etc etc really building up this idea of Heroism As Cool. could be something they'll work to subvert later but it's certainly an element that existed in the books at this point. that they've stripped out.

also like why even bother destroying the heron mark sword without the buildup of why it matters to rand or why its destruction was narratively impactful. unearned. rand saying he won't serve ishamael in a thousand lifetimes, unearned. there were plenty of other moments that didn't feel earned to me that escape me now, which. a shame!

i've already rb'd a post that laid out my feelings about rand thus far pretty well so i'll mostly spare y'all but. it's an incredible disservice to his character to take a scene where he tries to sacrifice himself for egwene/his loved ones, knowingly opens himself up to terrible pain, and thereby gets the wound that gives him chronic pain for the rest of his life and kills him, and make it...a mistake of mat's. like. yes, we've seen him try to sacrifice himself at the eye. there's nothing wrong with repeating this beat? it's called a consistent character trait. it was already a subversion of the conceit of a 1v1 op heroic battle. they tried to fix something that didn't need fixing, to make a point it was already making. also rand just immediately up and about after getting this wound, even with healing, where he was out for days in the book. it just doesn't bode super well for depiction of chronic pain sufferer rand al'thor. i don't doubt they intend to show us the wound breaking open etc etc but you're also undercutting significance on multiple levels out the gate. it bothers me! but i'm chronically ill with chronic pain so i'm not going to pretend this is some coldly logical clear-eyed opinion.

also perrin killing bornhald sr the same way he killed laila. except it's not even an immediate heat of the moment in the same way, he had to go out and find bornhald sr and stab him repeatedly and be held back. like i love hopper too (another death that felt really. gratuitous in handling.) but christ's sake. it's sure a Look.

tl;dr the themes??? ? ? the themes ???? ? ? and then i remember the sanderson of it all and i understand lmao.

#idk this is a bunch of rambling

[readingtheentrails]

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[jackoshadows]

I totally get where Brandon Sanderson is coming from in his criticism of the show and how it's playing hard and fast with the world building and magic system which will lead to larger changes down the line or the butterfly effect as George RR Martin keeps talking about with respect to GOT.

At the same time, people need to understand: I have a stake in this they do not. My name is LITERALLY on this product. And so, it being weak in areas that are important to me is something that I find a bigger worry in it than I might in another show. If you play loose and free with magic systems, then that reflects badly on me--as this is one of my specialties, and people will watch and be annoyed about things that I really, in a perfect world, should have been able to help the writers fix. I consider one of my other big strengths to be character arcs with powerful resolutions, and both seasons have really had troubles with this in the last episodes. That reflects on me, because having me involved should be able to help with this.

For example I came across a discussion on the WOT subreddit on whether Rand is a false dragon and that's when it struck me that yeah, Moiraine creating that huge fire dragon does end up making Rand a false dragon as per the worldbuilding of the books.

Think about it. Liandrin or any of the Black Ajah can choose a man who can channel, make a huge fire dragon for him and declare him the dragon reborn. And in the books, false dragons are said to be controlled by Aes Sedai and several major players often allege that Rand himself is false and controlled by the Aes Sedai.

Which is why 'Ta'veren' - which the show seems to have forgotten about - is an important aspect of the magical system of the world of WOT. It's the pattern that creates a set of conditions/events that leads to Rand fulfilling prophecies - which identifies him as the Dragon Reborn. Show Rand got none of that.

Which is why in the books, Siuan and Moiraine decide that Rand needs to exercise his free will and lets him go do his own thing. This is a big deal in the books and a decision that has major consequences for Siuan Sanche. The show, however, did a complete 180 on Siuan - changed her motivations, her actions, her reasoning. In effect that was a complete character assassination made worse by the fact that she's played by the amazing Sophie Okonedo.

And not just Moiraine creating that dragon, what's with her attacking the Seanchan ships using the One Power? Isn't that a violation of her three oaths? It's this magical system that gives us some of the best bits of the books - like that time where Mat keeps asking an Aes Sedai to use her one power to attack and she has to wait till she gets attacked to use it. This is what makes the world of the books so much more fun and interesting.

#Brandon Sanderson #The Wheel of Time #Wheel of Time #WOT #Rand al'Thor #Siuan Sanche

[hel-is-lurking-in-the-shadows]

Hi

So I'm watching The Wheel of Time with my Mom and it's great but she isn't the best at conversation about fandoms and stuffs and especially not ships so I'm searching for possibly a discord server dedicated to it ? Bonus points if it's specifically about Siuan and Moiraine because I love those two and need to talk about them !

#the wheel of time #wheel of time #wot #wot show #siuaraine #siuanraine #moiraine x siuan #siuan sanche #moiraine damodred #please help me #i'm desperate

[itsalwaysaliens]

Discovering new-to-me queer media. Thank you.

My pronouns are she/they.

I grew up in the Pacific Northwest and relocated to the US South at the beginning of the widespread COVID outbreak. With the isolation of lockdown, living in a more (generally) regressive area, and the hate cloud created by bigots intentionally targeting queer rights...it's all been a lot for me.

For us all.

Yet, recently, I've begun to see cracks in my defensive shell built of hardened fear and apathy. After many years inactive, I logged in to Tumblr this November. While some shout into the void that Tumblr is dying, I've found a vibrant community of artists.

What brought me back to Tumblr? It was a Wheel of Time gif of Moiraine and Siuan in Google image search results. Queer media brought me.

What's keeping me here? More gifs of Moiraine and Siuan? Yes, but also Liara and Shepard, Aloy and Seyka / Aloy and Talanah... But it's not just because I am thirsty for a specific fantasy genre ship. The artwork, writing, and gif compositions I've seen are created by people building and sharing original content that delights them. Creating because they love it.

Returning to Tumblr has given me insight into queer media that I had no idea existed. I've learned of "Warrior Nun" and "Arcane" from you all in gifs, original writing, and artwork. I also had no idea that the "Willow" show had queer characters.

I want to say "thank you." Thank you for giving me a glimpse back into what it is to find joy in silliness, to delight in moments of gay attraction, presence, and relationships being on screen. And thank you to today's writers for creating multi-dimensional characters who happen to be queer - doing authentically human things. We are more than subtext and stereotypes.

#wot on prime #siuan sanche #moiraine damodred #commander shepard #mass effect #fanfic #siuanraine #moiraine x siuan #arcane #warrior nun #avatrice #queer #lgbtq #art