#so therefore this could be a decision we're meant to be logical on?

[gingus-doon]

so i guess...... the keiji contract decision is logic v. emotion as well....?

i literally cannot stop thinking about this choice.

so, there's three possibilities of what could happen to keiji– he could die either way, live either way, or midori could actually be saying the truth and one choice will kill him while the other will save him.

the most boring outcome to me is the first. imagine sara deciding to bear the consequences of signing the contract and keiji still dies 😶😶 assuming the contract is a bad thing, in the first place. though that's what it's framed as, we can't really be sure. the only guess i have as to what it'll do is kill the dolls, but i think it's more likely that it'll be something unprecedented. also, i'd just be really upset if keiji died here. i still want to see him grow !!

if one choice kills him and one doesn't, i still wonder what the consequences will be of us saving him. it'd really suck to have to make that choice blind but it's very interesting–

the one possibility i'm PARTICULARLY interested in, though, is if he doesn't die either way. it would make the cliffhanger a little disingenuous, sure, but it'd be cool if we as sara had to face the consequences of choosing to let keiji die, then having him be alive regardless and know of our decision. imagine if whether or not u chose to save him or not had a bearing on how his character would develop for the rest of the game... omg.

and that last one is kinda where i'd think the logic v. emotion theme would tie in more heavily, if it did. because if this decision counted in terms of whether you're going on an emotional route or a logical one, then signing the contract to save keiji would be the "good" choice, right? but it seems like such a bad decision to make when you have absolutely no idea of the repercussions of that choice.

idk man. i just think it'd be REALLY cool if our choice had an effect on his character in that way wjdhsj, especially since keiji's been somewhat influenced by sara thus far. and since we've had an impact on people's characters thru our decisions with say, the shin lives route, where we make him a vengeful regretful and vaguely logical version of himself that is significantly skewed from his typical nature.

but yeah idk :'D i'm so excited for 3-1b

#your turn to die #keiji shinogi #yttd keiji #yttd spoilers #kgs keiji #kimi ga shine #there's also the possibility that the emotion route isn't solely good and the logic route isn't solely bad? #like a mix of the two being best? #so therefore this could be a decision we're meant to be logical on? #but yeah i really don't know #i don't think that's it #man i just be talking about shinogi keiji @ 5 am #I SWEAR IF HE DIES. #not to be dramatic but i will crumble into fine dust and be whisked away with a nightly wind #my particles will land in a pond alongside autumn's fallen leaves and i will dissolve #i suppose the possibility of keiji dying either way could be interesting if it bore a significant emotional impact on the group #as a result of the consequences or something... #but as expressed earlier i really really really really really really do not want keiji to die #hmmm actually. logic and emotion in tandem could be a thing in yttd #because arguably choosing nao in the second trial was the most emotional choice and it's obviously not the best one #so... in moderation..? #idek :l #i might sound really dumb rn akhdksnd just hoping I Do Not

[erithel]

One time someone came up a list of “why Keith was set up to be the leader of voltron since season 1” take and they included: the scene where he dove off a cliff on a motorcycle, ignoring his teammates to go fight zarkon alone, and taking a person hostage as reasons he made a good leader. Another said that shiro saying Keith should be black paladin in season 2 episode 1 was foreshadowing Keith would be leader and that it was all set up well for Keith to lead. (Despite the rest of season 2 about shiro becoming full black paladin and how that’s not what ‘foreshadowing’ means). I knew i cannot take pro-leader!keith seriously.

Did he have the potential? Sure. They all did. Did he showed leadership in any scenes leading up to just saying Form Voltron for the first time? No. Could he have been a good leader if he stayed in s4-6? Sure. Did they just handwaved away the rest of his already half assed setup leadership arc with an even lazier writing that involves benching him on a whale and calling that leadership development? Yes. Were the writers even more unsure than us why Keith makes a great leader? Yeah absolutely bc they literally had Zarkon just tell us Keith was a leader because it’s all in the genes.

And we shouldn’t pretend that they (the writers and the Galrans) weren’t about to crown Keith, prince of space based on nothing but blood alone.

Hm. OK. It seems the disconnect, there, was the understanding of "leadership" vs "taking action." All the season 1 moments you mentioned from that person's post were instances of Keith making a snap decision and taking action when others would have/were still trying to negotiate or come up with a plan. So I can see where that could be construed as "leadership."

But the difference between what Keith did in those instances, and what a leader would have done simply boils down to: Am I considering everyone else involved in this scenario?

They're actually, in my opinion, all great examples of why Keith was not ready for leadership. Because there's a fine but extremely important line between putting everyone else first, and putting yourself last. In the earlier seasons, Keith was more of the "putting himself last" mindset – and by that I mean pulling the sacrifice play. I can see why people confuse these two, because they are so similar – and we're often shown true leaders being of the mindset: "If I am putting myself in danger, then that means everyone else is safe," but that's not an example of good leadership because you can only pull of that strategy until you, you know…can't. To be a good leader, you have to lead by example – and unless you want everyone else sacrificing themselves as well, then you shouldn't be doing that either. As for the season 2 example mentioned here. Yeah, like you said that's not really foreshadowing. It's a little too…blatant for that. And here's the thing. Now, I have no actual proof this is how this went down, but it seems like the most logical explanation for why things happened the way they did.

1) Keith was the leader in the 80's Voltron. Therefore, Keith needed to eventually be leader in VLD. 2) They wrote themselves into a corner with Keith's character, and how he wasn't the leader they had meant him to be, based on the original plan. 3) They sent him to the space whale for two years so he could mellow out and stop being so reckless. So he could somehow become the leader he needed to be. Boom. Situation fixed. (Except really, really not.)

The "explanation" that Keith was the leader because he had Galra blood was…not only half-assed, but didn't even make sense. Not all Galra are natural born leaders, so why would that gene matter? And furthermore, if the only thing that mattered was that the leader of Voltron have Galra blood, why wasn't Keith the leader from the beginning?? One lesson I think they wanted to teach with Keith being half Galra, and then later with the Blade and Acxa, etc. was that you shouldn't judge people based on their heritage. The Galra were considered the enemy race of the entire Galaxy – but some of them could be allies. Some of them could be good. Sooooo...then why would they turn that around and say Keith was the true leader of Voltron because of his Galra blood, and no other reason?

If they'd allowed Keith to grow into the leader he needed to be – if he'd had to really step up and get out of his comfort zone – that would have been a great storyline and a wonderfully rounded character arc for him. But then, if they had done all that and still used the "You are the leader because of your Galra blood" explanation on him in season 8, his realistic response should have been "um fuck you, I earned this on my own merit." The fact that they didn't allow him to earn it made it possible for them to base his place as leader solely on his bloodline.

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