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deerydear · 2 months

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I just wanna repost this saga.

Jan 21st, 3:21 pm cst:

"i have written extensively about cannibalism and NOT the literary sense. zoologically, sociologically, etc. yeah it's kind of thematically sexy in fiction but don't fucking try me about it, don't tell me about The Divine or what have you, i am extremely fucking autistic about the concept of cannibalism/anthropophagy, to a diagnostic degree, to a "eighth grade me had to get pulled aside and yelled at to stop incorporating themes of ritual cannibalism into every paper I write by the librarian" way, this is the thing I'm most annoying about and I don't even enjoy talking about it that much because it's like that bit in south park where they find out if Cartman hears the first three notes of "come sail away" by Styx he has to sing the whole song. But it's explaining misconceptions about cannibalism

i'm not even claiming to be an expert. I really am not. I just rolled this as an ultimate special interest and I've been sulking my entire life about it, because half of the conversations I have about it seriously piss me off in a genuine, douchebag-elitist way because I care a lot. I'm aware of how toxic and annoying this is.

#Growing up catholic does not give you a fucking predilection to cannibalism, oh my god. The sexual psychoses linked to catholicism are like comically infamously well known and cannibalism is not one of them. From a criminal psych perspective and sociological perspective those things have no correlation. I've spoken to 2 different catholic priests about this while getting my degree about it, btw, and one of them opposed cannibalism. The other didn't in a weird way (with the caveat that they're eating a saint) but, girl, if you realize that cannibalism's appeal wrt sexual sadism is not “the divine” but domination/obliteration, you'd realize how actually quite unsexy it is to eat someone and shit them out. So write it correctly horrifyingly or don't romanticize it at all. /spergrant

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Jan 21st, 3:37 pm cst:

"It actually pisses me off so bad, so bad, so bad, so bad! It's like making an incorrect Franz Ferdinand joke in front of the weirdest WWI autist you know, I actually get so mad. and I'm not even being judgmental about people eroticizing it, it's just like...

It gives me a similar feeling to seeing someone draw a penis backwards by accident. I don't know. It just makes me light-headed with rage.

I will continue to gatekeep flesh-eating and all its associated symbolism until tumblr grimdark writers learn to behave. Anyone who wants to be my friend has to tolerate this about me.

also, from a theological standpoint, it actually really annoys me to see people purposefully misinterpret ritual cannibalism and transubstantiation (which, yes, are two different things, entirely) (and don't get me started on how people tend to just completely 1:1 replicate themes of flesh/blood consumption that are rooted in outright blood libel shit, rather than subvert them)"

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Jan 21st, 4:02 pm cst:

rattrasha asked:

"Hi sorry for being weird, but do you wanna talk about cannibalism? I had this really annoying argument with dad about the Andes crash and he won't acknowledge that there could ever be any nuance involved. If you know any cannibalism related history that you think is particularly interesting and if you have any opinions on the ethics of cannibalism you want to share uuhhhhh slide into my dms sometime. Or not, no pressure..."

Foreverial replied:

"Thank you for being polite about this, it's not weird, I brought it up, but I am going to wear myself out like a toddler having a tantrum if I think about this too much so I'm just going to reply with two things:

Cannibalism for survival sucks, there is a reason why the the developed human brain in most (KEY WORD: MOST) cultures is horrified by even the concept of same-species endophagy (eating one of the same In-Group, kind of a controversial term but in the andes situation that's definitely what it was, as opposed to survival cannibalism where you go out of your way to attack, kill and eat an enemy - which is RARE) but there is in deep a lot of nuance there. Historically, including recent history, there have been numerous situations where cannibalism is not only permissible morally but is the right thing to do. Personally, if I died, I'd want my friend to eat my body so they live a little longer. I'm just sayin'.

Cannibalism is actually so fucking hard to pinpoint archeologically/anthropologically in prehistoric times for sapient species. We know it happened, but the hard part is: how and why? Funerary rites? Hatred? Just plain hunger? Here's kind of an overview paper that I like that discusses the findings at a few different sites and comes to an interesting conclusion - at the very least read the abstract + conclusion. You'll see where I'm coming from in my interest of prehistoric cannibalism I think. To put it in stupid discourse tumblr terms, this paper is not Pro- or Anti- cannibalism but just sort of recognizes it as something that happened, and demands greater context. Trigger warning: eating babies and shit. https://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/archives/view/assemblage/html/9/cole.html"

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Jan 27th, 5:25 am cst:

Anonymous asked:

"Man, I once wrote a fanfiction with survival cannibalism committed out of desperation (with nothing sexual or romantic about it), and I got a comment on it that 'it's an interesting unusual new take on the subject (as opposed to the "normal" approach with cannibalism as love and intimacy)'. lmao

Foreverial replied:

"kept this in my inbox, laughing at this for a while now. I really like this.

Imagining a talk show is holding a reunion for the survivors of a plane crash where they resorted to cannibalism. They're all tearfully recounting their tragic tale when the hosts bring on another guest. It's a plump, salivating, extremely German-looking man with a bib that has a picture of a guy on it, holding up a fork and knife and he starts of going: "Firzt of all, I tzink vat you did vaz soooooooooooo innovative…""

#I minorly changed punctuation but I didn't want to fully disrupt the author's style.

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self-winding · 2 years

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CW: JK Rowling

So I finally read J.K. Rowling’s notorious essay.

As a caveat: I don’t think she’s exaggerating when she talks about the level of harassment and hate she’s received for her stances, so from that angle at least, I do sympathize with her. The entire political landscape around trans issues is a nightmare. Hell, trans people regularly cannibalize each other over differences of opinion, with everyone on all sides screaming, “You are literally KILLING US.” And the excessive cruelty toward Rowling has just made it easier for her supporters to hold her up as some kind of martyr, giving extra social and political capital to someone who (from what I’ve seen) has nothing new or profound to say about the issues.

That said I totally get why a lot of people find this essay enraging. Something like 30% of it is devoted to actual arguments for her stance and the other 70% is Arguments from Bravery, where she talks a lot about her own trauma and hardship (while insisting that she doesn’t want others to feel sorry for her) and holds up that trauma as though it’s a form of evidence. She’s very clearly playing the game where she thinks the most oppressed person or group should automatically be given the moral right of way, and she’s trying to position herself as aligned with the most oppressed. I find this strategy maddening regardless of what side it’s coming from. Suffering is not a form of expertise.

Regarding her actual stances: as I suspected she seems closer to the transmedicalist than the TERF end of the spectrum, but her views also don’t seem very consistent or coherent. She asserts, “Woman is not an idea in a man’s head,” which would seem to lean toward a more hardcore TERF stance that there is no such thing as gender identity (or if there is, it’s formed purely by inhabiting a certain type of body) but she also clearly grants exceptions to this principle, because she gushes condescendingly about all the “adorable” and “wonderful” trans people she knows, and expresses a sense of solidarity with trans women who are sufficiently victimized by men. Presumably all these trans people meet her nebulous criteria for what constitutes a “real” trans person; she thinks there are “real” trans people but that most people these days who claim to be trans are not.

Her arguments against a too-inclusive definition of transness are, A) the usual misandrist “cis men will pretend to be trans woman so they can flood women’s spaces and rape and abuse women en masse because men are horrible and will take any opportunity to rape and abuse women.” A lot of people have talked at length about the regressive hysteria behind this stance so I won’t go too in depth, but short version: while you can find isolated anecdotes of anything, there is no broad statistical evidence that making changing rooms or bathrooms unisex will increase rape or violence. In my state, “any gender” bathrooms are increasingly common and as far as I know there have not been catastrophic social consequences of this. I mean, there are still individual stalls that lock so it’s not like anyone can see you taking a piss (or changing, if it’s a changing room), it’s just a matter of who you’re standing next to at the sink when you wash your hands.

And B) "It’s clear to me that women are becoming men in order to escape sexism and the cage of femininity because come on who wouldn’t want to be a man, am I right??” (Maybe the conclusion to this whole saga will be JK coming out, taking T and changing her name to Harry.)

As an essay it’s not very persuasive, though I suspect the intention was less to persuade and more to establish a sense of solidarity with people who already agree with her.

My own stance on trans issues has always come from an individualist, libertarian perspective: I believe in bodily autonomy so I believe adults have a right to modify their own bodies as they see fit. While pragmatism dictates (as with all medical things) there will be some basic gatekeeping, and the issue gets cloudier with how much agency minors should have to change their own bodies, it should ultimately be up to the individual, because it’s their life and their body. To me, “trans” means “someone who wants to transition” (either physically or socially). I am not a huge fan of sex-segregated or gender-segregated spaces to begin with, and I am for open and flexible norms around pronouns.

So there’s my two cents about that.

#transmedicalism #jk rowling

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closedspeciesdrama · 7 years

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Re: The Wendigo argument, there's this instability trait which is prevalent on the internet these days. There are a lot of very unstable young men and women who try to give themselves meaning and worth by deeming themselves "gatekeepers" of either political correctness or cultural appropriation. Down to a man the ones I've seen in CS and in other communities are typically insecure to the point of near-mania and with any number of mental issues. Gatorbite and VCR are like poster boys. 1 of 2

- The best way to deal with this sort of nonsense isn’t to argue with them which is ultimately narcissistic supply and a means for them to try and show how morally “superior” they are to their victim, it’s simply best to flat out block them if needed or ignore them. Might seem harsh but I have personal issue with the way they use issues of gender and culture to bully every community they touch and to intimidate younger people with threats of dubbing them “bad people” or public defamation. 2 of 2

(1)Citing “Windigo Psychosis: the anatomy of an emic-etic confusion” an academic journal by a group of anthropologists: “When the windigo phenomenon is considered from the point of view of group sociodynamics rather than from that of individual psychodynamics, the crucial question is not what causes a person to become a cannibalistic maniac, but under what circumstances a Northern Algonkian is likely to be accused of having become a cannibalistic maniac(2)and thus run the risk of being executed as such. It is argued that those so executed were victims of triage homicide or witch hunts, events common in societies under stress.” Hell just that alone should be enough. Algonkians and other natives were straight up murdered over a mythological creature that was used against them. No one besides Algonkians are in any placeto make a CS/adopt design based on something with such a dark historical context.(3)Looking beyond Wikipedia could have easily told you this. Also, no anon, you fucking idiot, the wendigo was a thing before the term “wendigo psychosis” even existed as a culture-bound syndrome. AND IF YOU PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER… usually “culture-bound” syndromes are inherently racist and untrue.

Didn’t vcr-wolfe get called out for something too tho like if you’re gonna be the 1# sjw for everything wouldn’t it be ironic to get a call out for a shitty thing you’ve done

OH MY GOD. that post is LITERALLY a whole fucking year ago. once again vendetta anons pull shit from their ass. that character isnt even a freaking adopt, and vcr doesnt even have a species and has hardly sold maybe 3 adopts in the last 6 months? maybe if yall weren’t reaching so far into the past for some petty bs we could stay on topic for once lmao

Wait is there any proof of them being white?? I’ve I beleive I saw vcr wolfe say they’re native or smth before. But the thunderbird thing is so stupid lmao in the Wild West tm a lot of towns only had like white people because natives were driven out. I mean depending on the characters setting. Plus there’s majority of white people. Thunderbirds aren’t like a wendigo, you can say it’s name and talk about it and it wouldn’t attack just you so I don’t see a problem lmao

I think the issue here is you’re going to have people from a culture saying something is offensive, but someone else from the same culture saying that it’s not offensive and they’re glad you’re taking interest in their culture in the first place. See: Every East Asian mythology based CS out there, basically. Literally there is no right or wrong across the board, nobody “wins”, and that’s just how life is. Grey morality exists, just let people make content they enjoy ffs.

People act like VCR-WOLFE’s word is law or something. I can see being passionate about causes and all but they take the cake for extremism. People should be allowed to make a character any race to fit their preferences or just their likes, of course within being respectful. I think VCR gets some kind of high and mighty buzz by going after people, especially us evil whites.

multiple poc: hey this is offensive. yall: uhm idk that sounds fake :/. one poc: yeah it’s fake. yall, digging your claws in: YOU SEE? WE WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG! THIS ONE POC HAS VALIDATED OUR RACISM FOREVER! *pterodactyl screech*

Is vcr wolfe a serious account or is it just some random asshole that enjoys stirring up people by being the dictionary image for the social justice warrior stereotype that literally everyone hates. I have seen them be a little weiner before (cue them accusing me of misgendering them), I would take nothing they say seriously because honestly they are a joke.

Why does this Wendigo shit still come up? This is the same as the sombrero Mario crap that blew up on twitter. Quit speaking for other cultures that you don’t belong to. Native American people have expressed both support and distain for the issue. A wendigo is a monster, why is making a monster be a monster suddenly such a taboo? You can white knight the subject to death, you aren’t in the wrong but you’re certainly not in the right either. If you don’t support it then don’t.

context: the wendigo was used as a slur and label for natives/Algonquins who were mentally ill (aka called them canibals; hence “wendigo psychosis”) and was used to justify their genocide so making an adopt out of such a theme isn’t taken lightly as this has a historic context you can’t erase (source: I live in the algonquin northeast) (½)mythical creatures such as vampires and werewolves come from a ton of different cultures and generally they’ve been reinterpreted so often that it doesn’t retain its origin context. here’s another point- the Algonquin people still exist. despite the mythical creature being used against them they are more than in the right to use it how they see fit. it’s sorta like how the lgbt community took back the word “queer” while a straight person should definitely not call a gay person “a queer” (2/2)

Btw the wendigo isn’t a legend ! It’s a tale told up north and is taken very seriously. The reason people don’t want you to use it is because saying the name is suppose to make you a victim ( aa I forgot I’m sorry ) BUT I still beleive if you do your research u should be okay like just don’t make it a xD murderer monster cannibal

The thing with a wendigo character is not everyone is going to see/research the full story of them, because they’ve been big in media for awhile now. Until Dawn, Supernatural, even My Little Pony. And tbh, it’s something that while drifting away from the original intent, does bring traditional stories to the homes of others, who otherwise would never know the term, or know of the monsters. Mass media is keeping our culture alive, even as we kill it ourselves by not letting others near it.

this just in: vcr-wolfe solely dictates what can and cannot be used from cultures in character designs

VCR is mixed actually lol

VCR-wolfe is actually half mexican. So maybe don’t be fucking racist?

Can we stop the “ insulting = I’m right” thing it’s so stupid. If someone’s discussing something or DOESNT KNOW you don’t have to insult them. You look like a jerk js ( this is towards the anon in the wendigo post about wendigo-psychosis). The person was just basically saying ‘fun fact’ no need to call them a fucking idiot jeez

Mixed with what? I’ve seen this argument on another drama site. If they are mixed, they are white enough to pass as entirely white. Even then your word isn’t some divine rule on what is right & wrong. VCR constantly leans on the “I’m mentally ill” schtick, maybe they should focus on themselves for a bit & quit badgering people that want to enjoy another culture. Geez would bringing back segregation make you fuckers happy, let start DNA testing before you can draw or create a non white character.

The anon about wendigo pychosis got their panties in a twist lmao. If we can’t use anything with “” dark historical context" or “ only ____ are allowed to use this” then we all might as well sick to our own religions and make nothing but what we’re born into/practice. So if you’re native and you make a nun rabbit prepare for a ass chewing ! :( keep whining about everything you just sound like a broken record lmao you “” fucking idiot “”

Wait so if vcr-Wolfe isn’t native what say do they got in it then??? If they’re Mexican/white ??? Why don’t they step down and let real native/mixed natives speak for themselves and not have someone gatekeeping their beliefs Jesus lord I LOVE when none natives try to speak for my culture

Multi poc people: this is bad y'all: SEE ITS EVIL Multi poc: its alright do your research tho Y'all: WTF THATS BAD WHAT ABOUT OUR TOKEN FRRIENDS SAYING ITS OKAY AAAA Get your head out your ass dude there’s two sides to the shit just because people back your opinion doesn’t mean you can use your poc friends as a way to wave it around. You’re being just as bad to diss other peoples opinions FROM THE SAME GROUP lmao

i’m ndn, and personally my opinion on the entire thing is, don’t make wendigo characters for profit in general, especially if you’re not ndn. i don’t even like seeing my brothers, sisters, and two-spirited brethren do it. it’s one thing to make one for personal use, and as long as you’re not making them uwu edgy wendigo doggo that eats people uwu then.. honestly? who cares. but stop making wendigos when you know nothing about the culture, or that many tribes have different lore on it.

also the entire thing of wendigo psychosis being a thing: false. that was a term made up waaaaay after the fact. the thing is, there are multiple tribes that believe in wendigo, many have different names for it, and there’s even variations born differently like wechuge. but the fact of the matter is that most people don’t even read in or pay attention beyond the edgy cannibal shit to know that a wendigo is pretty much a skeleton made out of ice in most tribal cultures LMAO not a fucking dog

the entire purpose of people saying ‘hey if you don’t understand it, don’t make it’ is so that you don’t make a mockery of our legends, lore, culture, and history. not so you can’t have fun. it’s like me making a black character and making them stereotypical and completely shitting on it, and then doubling back with the ‘oh i made a black character so i understand black struggles’ shit like. it’s not cute when you do it to any race or culture so stop.

Why is it a crime to make Wendigo characters but when some family lines (before me, I don’t care) wouldn’t approve of the use of nordic mythos no one bats an eye at adopts that play off them, or for that matter, movies and shows that paint them in completely inaccurate ways. You can’t close the mythos of one culture & make it untouchable while saying some are fine to take from, that isn’t how it works.

VCR is mixed Mexican Navajo and saying a mixed person is basically white is just fucking ugly and racist as shit, holy shit

Nordic myth is white myth and white people are not in any danger of having their culture stamped out and then reinterpreted by their oppressors while they are punished for trying to access it, unlike, you know, Native American myth. Reverse racism isn’t real

‘nordic myth is white myth and–’ it’s still someone’s religion, so yeah actually it still stands, either all religions are sacred inherently and are off limits or none are and you can’t bitch and whine and moan and throw a social justice tantrum into that being untrue, people making shitty wendigo ocs isn’t stamping anyone’s religion out any more than marvel making a shitty version of loki is, they’re equally stupid but harmless

Except there is a huge fucking difference between open and closed religions? Nordic pagan worship is an open religion. Native folk religions are closed religions. Christianity is an open religion. The Amish are, by and large, a closed sect. Sincerely, an nordic heathen who knows full well what people can take from my belief system

“Werehyenas can’t be made into species and characters because they appropriate African culture uwu~” The hyena and werehyena have a very similar negative connotation in African folklore by you don’t see them getting so butt hurt over them being used. I get so sick and tired of people saying you can’t base a CS or Character off of a fictional monster. I guess I should toss out my Church Grim OC because that’s an insult to English and Scandinavian Folklore as it guards a place considered sacred

literally no one is saying dont ever do it theyre saying be respectful, follow the originating culture’s traditions, and dont slap a native myth on a white character because its disrespectful to the culture you supposedly like so much youre pulling from them. entitled much?

"my friend finds this thing offensive! your friend doesn't find this offensive? stop tokenising your friends, also YOUR friends are WRONG!" so native voices only count when they agree with you? maybe accept that an individual can't speak for an entire group, and that people from within the same culture can have very different ideas about what cultural appropriation even is.

Everyone yelling about wendigos when they're ignoring the fact Sincommonstitches literally made a design based off the imperial rising sun (you know- rape of Nanking?? Children and women slaughtered?) and day of the dead (mexican holiday already shit on for $$$) guardians, sold them for profit, and then bitched in a journal when they got called out how they shouldn't have to deal with this and they need their fiance to handle their pr now lmfao

Keeping all this in one post, anything new sent in will be added to this post. While it is on topic, it is far from species related.

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