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dragonnnfly · 7 months

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Httyd + AO3 tags

#it’s been a while #httyd #how to train your dragon #rob #riders of Berk #rtte #race to the edge #httyd + text posts #edit #memes #ruffnut #Tuffnut #spitelout #Snotlout #hiccup #Astrid #Hiccstrid

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collegiateanimationfan · 10 months

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Rewatching Season 1 of RTTE things

#trader johann #httyd #rtte #traitor johann #snotlout #stoick #spitelout #httydmemes #httyd fandom #we lost our freaking minds #anyone want a list of all the references we've found?#still dying over it all tbh #race to the edge #toothless

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msnewobsessioneveryweek · 11 months

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Snotlout is a theatre kid. My evidence is this

And also this

Please share what roles he’d play.

#httyd #how to train your dragon #rtte #race to the edge #snotlout #snotlout jorgenson #httyd snotlout #snotlout httyd #httyd rtte #httyd race to the edge #theatre kid #spitelout jorgenson #spitelout #fuck spitelout #daddy issues

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rosiethedragongeek · 1 year

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how does he literally get younger help

#hair dye doesn't explain the fuller beard #he's immortal #also yeah dw i know that this is just an animation thing lol #spitelout jorgenson #spitelout #httyd spitelout #rtte spitelout #how to train your dragon #riders of berk #defenders of berk #race to the edge #httyd #rob #dob #rtte #rosie's httyd brainrot

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ashleybenlove · 10 months

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Did... Spitelout tell Stoick that Hiccup almost got brained by that harpoon?

That came far too close for comfort.

#ashleybenlove posts #how to train your dragon #Race to the Edge #season 6 #King of Dragons Part 1 #hiccup #spitelout #stoick #and inch or so in the wrong direction and say goodbye to hiccup

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queenofthearchipelago · 6 months

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It's so sad and fascinating how people talk about Spitelout's character now versus when the show was coming out.

When the seasons were still new and being released, we talked about Spitelout as a man who made many mistakes. He had a son whom he gave very bad advice to many times. He failed to see how much his son looked up to him and so he didn't see how he almost abused that loyalty. He had a bit of a thirst for power and taught it to his son, despite his son having something better than leverage, Snotlout had genuine friendship with the men who had power over him.

Spitelout failed in so many ways. He made so many mistakes. And they were all so incredibly understandable. Crazy, but understandable.

Because we knew that Spitelout grew up in a war torn world where he adopted philosophies for life that were harmful as a way to cope. And when that war torn world disappeared, he didn't know how to change his parenting style to better suit it. And so Snotlout had to deal with living in a better world, with peace with dragons and friends who love him and balance that with his father's Old World advice and healing from it. And we did watch and sympathize with Snotlout as he struggled to do that.

He struggled, but he loved his father. Snotlout, in the end, understood Spitelout in all these ways. That's why the end of Snotlout's arc with his father is literally just showing us that Snotlout can hear his father's bad advice, ignore it because he knows better, and just keep loving him as best he can.

But now? Now I'm seeing the fandom talk of Spitelout like he's Evil incarnate. Like he was just like that for No Reason. It takes such depth out of a good character. Not good as in a character who is a morally good example. But good as in extremely, consistently complex.

Spitelout is the character in this franchise who never truly healed. There was much he couldn't unlearn and yes it caused hurt. He struggled to change his philosophies. But you know what he did do?

He stopped killing the dragons.

Spitelout, for all his failings, was better than Mildew. Mildew who was forever bitter and hateful of the dragons. He was better than Alvin, who held a grudge for decades and was still willing to kill for them. Better than Dagur, who loves the power and the sport of it so much that he didn't care that there was a better world to live in. Better than Viggo, who wanted to corrupt the concept of training the dragons to build an empire built up on their deaths.

Spitelout failed so MUCH, and yet he was better. He loved his son as best as he could, as best as he knew how. And he saw Hiccup and Stoick structure Berk into a better world and he allowed it. He never stood in the way and he WANTED that better world. Fought for it side by side with his son.

And Snotlout knew all of this, understood it, and, in the unconditionally complex way that only a son can, loved his father.

#httyd #dragons #snotlout #spitelout #httyd analysis #dragons analysis #thoughtsfromthequeen

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nightcorecarseatheadrest · 4 days

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@eemoo1o-tfrmoo

#sorry if this got posted twice my iPad is weird about videos so I had to post it to tik tok and then download it from my phone #snotlout #httyd #four draws tag #snotlout jorgensen #spitelout #spitelout jorgenson #httyd art #httyd fan art #httyd funny #httyd memes

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artist-issues · 1 year

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Some head-profile-study things for the characters of my HTTYD3 rewrite, because ya’ll have me on a creative kick, apparently. The idea ran away with me and not one of you have lifted a finger to stop it

Anyway!

Here’s our three main dragon characters (I think there might be one or two others, but only one is another Fury, and he’s more of a presence than an actual character 🤷‍♀️)

You’ve got our beloved Toothless. I purposely kept his head narrow and his eyes catlike here because I would have kept his design largely similar to the first (best) film. By the time of this reimagined movie, I would’ve had Toothless enjoying his life as the Alpha with Hiccup to the fullest. No boredom or “oh no, Berk is overcrowded.” He gets his kicks from pulling new flying stunts and baffling kids who are learning to ride their own dragons—no “duhr hurr guess playing Fetch is my new favorite pastime, -slobber slobber pant pant-”

Because Toothless’ story always mirrors whatever is happening with Hiccup, my HTTYD rewrite would deal with the fact that while Hiccup has found acceptance and hope for a future among his own kind (Vikings) Toothless has not. Sure, he’s leader of the other dragons—but how many times did you see Toothless spending one-on-one time with any dragons, the way Hiccup spends one on one time with Astrid for support and help? I mean, outside of the television shows. So he begins his interest in the Fury Flock because, a-la Call of the Wild, there’s an opportunity for him to be accepted by his own kind even after being raised apart from them.

But I want to be clear—Toothless would not be desperate for their approval. He’d instinctively start to pick up on the Fury Flock’s social hierarchy and, just as instinctively, start to climb that ladder because he’s a highly skilled Night Fury. When Hiccup and his Riders first find the Flock, they realize how incredibly dangerous it is to try their usual methods of taming a whole group of dragons who are Furies, can camouflage, and are loyal to a ridiculously human-hostile leader. So Valka sort of coaches Hiccup on how to shadow Toothless, from a safe, observant distance, while Toothless gets closer and closer to his own kind. Hiccup hopes to get some questions answered this way: like, why are the Furies so covered in scars and signs of human/dragon conflict? And who are the mysterious human scouting ships, newly entering Berk’s territory, that the Furies keep raiding?

(It’s Grimmel and his people, but you guys knew that)

Next up is Old Night Fury! I’ve already said a lot about him. Basically, this Old Night Fury is the only Night Fury who survived this last thirty-year-long migration season from the Hidden World to Grimmel’s land. In fact, apart from Toothless, Old Night Fury might actually be the last of his own kind. Think Kerchak from Tarzan, but more murderous of humans and accepting of Toothless. Old Night Fury shoots human beings first, and usually doesn't bother hiding or running away if directly confronted. He is fiercely protective of the Fury Flock and they obey his every spine-click (that’s how they communicate) command. Old Night Fury is just as willing to accept Toothless into the Flock as he would be any new Fury seeking to join—but he has to prove himself a valuable member of the hunt, first. Old Night Fury is the only Fury alive who knows how to get to the Hidden World, and uses his echolocation to lead the group. Eventually he poses a threat directly to Hiccup, leading Toothless to drop the covert-act and defend his master. The Old Night Fury is ultimately killed by Grimmel, making Toothless the only echolocating dragon alive capable of leading the Fury Flock back to the Hidden World for the next 30 years. And Finally, our Love Interest Fury, Ambush! This is the Light Fury’s redesign. I call her species “‘Sky Furies.” They can blend in with their surroundings for a short period of time (Night Furies cannot, in this rewrite), they live in complex social hierarchy systems led by the bigger, stronger Night Furies, and they breathe smaller, smokier plasma bolts. They communicate by dolphin-esque clicks, swim as fast as Night Furies can fly, and most of their lives revolve around either migrating or participating in high-octane community hunts. For more on Sky Furies you can check out my other posts (because apparently I’m doing a lot of them ^^”) But this particular Sky Fury is named Ambush. She is the best hunter, the quickest flier, and at the very top of the Sky Furies’ social ladder when Toothless meets her. Hiccup names her, quietly to himself, after noticing that she’s gained a deadly reputation among the mysterious (Grimmel’s people) ocean voyagers.

Unlike the canon Light Fury, Ambush has a personality. She definitely still hates humans, but it’s less in a blank, skittish-cat way and more in a ferocious, that’s-my-natural-hated-enemy-and-I’m-going-to-get-first-dibs way. Because Sky Furies decide who gets to eat first by who brought down the prey. And after their war, Sky Furies don’t just view people as prey, they view them as war enemies. Other aspects of her personality: competitive. Ambush has been leading the hunt for basically her whole life. She’s been eating first and enjoying the deference of her Flock-mates, uninterrupted. But when Toothless shows up, and thanks to Hiccup’s secret help, he beats her at just about every feat of speed or strength. At first this makes her mad. Then she’s attracted to him—because another aspect of her personality is insatiable curiosity. It’s what gets her hit by one of Grimmel’s traps. Toothless and Hiccup save her—specifically, Hiccup himself, whom she personally tried to eat three or four times beforehand. From that moment on, Ambush is eager to see more of the funny little human community and is cautiously observant of all things Hiccup, whenever he’s on the scene. Basically, Ambush is Dragon-Astrid—emphasis on “‘Dragon.” Because they should’ve stuck to the whole “everything that happens to Hiccup should be mirrored in Toothless and vice versa.”

Once Ambush has chosen Toothless and learned to not just trust, but actually like Berkian humans, she supports him against the Fury Flock. When Old Night Fury tries to kill Hiccup and winds up getting them both captured by Grimmel—leaving Toothless grounded—it’s Ambush who rallies the other Furies to trust Toothless’ leadership and mount a rescue mission.

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i-hate-spitelout-jorgenson · 2 years

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Just to add more fuel to the fire here’s some dialogue from the Rise of Berk game.

fucking hell

#thank you for showing me this /gen #i never was able to play rise of berk for much at all #i understand that all the httyd games are shit thi #httyd #asks #spitelout hate #snotlout #snotlout jorgenson #spitelout jorgenson #spitelout #riders of berk #rise of berk #defenders of berk

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wolfasketch · 3 months

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Okay, wait, let me-Let me explain!!!

So, I was working on something HTTYD related(to be posted) and went to my sister to make a joke about Snotlout, joke being don't trust a guy with blue eyes(no offense if you are a guy with blue eyes, I'm sure you're great) with somehow led into a genetics convo then back to HTTYD, mainly Hiccup and Snotlout being cousins.

We both refused Snotlout and Hiccup being related through Spitelout and Valka being siblings because of HTTYD 3, then my sister suggested Snotlout's mom, who we never see, and Valka being related, I then suggested Spitelout and Stoick being brothers. Sis argued against it, saying they look nothing alike. My argument involved using Scar and Mufasa as an example.

My thought process being their names. Scar's real name is Taka, meaning to want, while Mufasa's name means king, put them together and you get want to be king. Compare that to Spitelout's name and you could phrase it as him being spiteful of Stoick being the firstborn and future cheif.

Well, after some research into the HTTYD books, we find out that, not only are they brothers, Spitelout's name used to be Baggybum the Beerbelly. I WAS RIGHT MORE THAN I MEANT TO BE!!!

Also, this pic makes more sence now as to why he's up here with Stoick and Gobber

#Meme #How to Train your Dragon #HTTYD #The Lion King #TLK #HTTYD Spitelout #Spitelout #HTTYD Stoick #Stoick the Vast #TLK Scar #Scar #TLK Mufasa #Mufasa #I also realized the hair colors AFTER I made the meme

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famderfries · 2 years

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Realising that Stoick and Spitelout are very similar characters with similar views, but only Stoick grows out of it because of his son's near death experience :(

#the idea that Snotlout would have to nearly die to get his dad to rethink is upsetting #i mean theyre brothers so it makes sense that theyre the same but like. ugh #tbh tho idk if Spitelout WOULD change ://#he does brush off Snotlouts speech in rtte in the episode with the wedding and rhe axe #apollo says stuff #httyd #*trips over my 11 httyd dvds*#snotlout jorgenson #snotlout #how to train your dragon #stoick the vast #stoick httyd #spitelout #spitelout jorgenson #fuck spitelout all my homies hate spitelout

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dragonnnfly · 1 year

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Hiccup: Has anyone ever told you they love you?

Snotlout: Does my dad count?

Hiccup: Yes

Snotlout: Then no

#httyd #how to train your dragon #hiccup #rtte #race to the edge #incorrect httyd quotes #incorrect rtte quotes #snotlout #spitelout #rob #dob #riders of berk #defenders of berk

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sure-i-exist · 2 years

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In Defence of Spitelout Jorgensen

(for clarity, this isn’t really a defence but it’s about my interpretation of him)

I think Spitelout does genuinely care and love his son. I don’t think he does a good job of it don’t get me wrong, but I think he does care.

Personally, I find Spitelout is harsh and unpleasant around Snotlout. He pushes him too hard, he demeans the other in front of Snotlout’s friends, he projects onto Snotlout and expects him to act more like himself. I think Spitelout does love his son, but he doesnt treat him well. Spitelout doesn’t listen to Snotlout (not even in Snotlout Gets the Axe when he stands up for himself), and he’s not willing to change or work towards being a better father; I imagine he’s rather traditional when it comes to parenting, and he likely had a father who was similar (which obviously doesn’t make it ok but still). Spitelout cares for his son and often comes from a place of genuine pride or concern for Snotlout, but he often gets caught up in his own emotions and uses Snotlout’s successes to fuel his own ego, and feels the failures of his son will reflect poorly on him and thus tries to remove any possibilties of failure. But he doesn’t understand Snotlout as a person, he doesn’t realise it is his own parenting and guidance that can cause Snotlout to stumble. He’s not willing to listen.

Spitelout isn’t a good father, I don’t think anyone is gonna argue for that. But I don’t think he means to be a bad one either.

#I want a storyline where spitelout finds out he’s a shit father and then actively tries to improve himself #Like he doesn’t suddenly become an incredible parent but it’s obvious he’s trying and is willing to learn #Spitelouts complicated man idk what to say #spitelout jorgenson #spitelout #snotlout #snotlout jorgenson #httyd #race to the edge #how to train your dragon #character analysis #kinda analysis anyway

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rosiethedragongeek · 2 years

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Snotlout is actually so sweet though?? like despite Spitelout's best efforts he cries when he thinks his dragon is in danger and he would die for his friends and he naps with baby monstrous nightmares and he sings to baby fireworms and he forgets to defend his hut against the shellfire because he was so busy defending his friends' huts and he sees hiccup by the forge and automatically tries to light it for him and he protects a yak from singetails for an entire episode and he spends all his money on chicken food and he sleeps with a stuffed yak and he rubs nightmare gel into hookfang's scales every night and he nicknames all of his friends and his dragon and he can sew and he cuddles his mom and he calls her mommy and he hugs his friends and he's happy for his best friend and the girl he's had a crush on for forever when he learns that they're dating and he

#i love him your honor #fuck spitelout #snotlout snotlout oi oi oi #snotlout jorgenson #snotlout #spitelout jorgenson #spitelout #hookfang #snotlout and hookfang #snotlout & hookfang #riders of berk #defenders of berk #race to the edge #how to train your dragon #rtte #httyd #rosie's httyd brainrot

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ashleybenlove · 2 months

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Spitelout's only redeeming quality if that he's voiced by David Tennant, who is beloved.

#ashleybenlove posts #how to train your dragon #Race to the Edge #spitelout

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queenofthearchipelago · 2 years

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I think the last scene in Not Lout is maybe one of the best moments of character development in the entirety of the httyd franchise, fight me

Like, Snotlout from the very beginning is this kid whose been raised to be a fighter, to do whatever it takes to be at the top. He's rude and he's doing his best to be what he thinks is expected of him. And on some level he knows that he doesn't know what's expected anymore. The archipelago is no longer torn with dragon war, and where does Snotlout fit into Hiccup's world? Hiccup changed everything, and the place Snotlout was raised to take doesn't exist in the same way anymore.

All the while, his father makes it seem like he needs to be a winner in every competition, even when it isn't a competition. His father gives him generally horrible life advice, like rest is for the weak. His father makes it seem like he's always one failure away from being a disappointment to him, in ways that aren't fair.

On the other hand, we have Hiccup. Hiccup always goes after Snotlout even when he's disappointed, even when he has good reason to be angry at Snotlout. Hiccup is always there to help, always there to give counter-advice. It's Hiccup, more than any other rider, that acknowledges what it is that Snotlout has to deal with in his father, even when Snotlout doesn't fully understand what it is he's dealing with at all. It's Hiccup that let's Snotlout win when the competition doesn't matter. It's Hiccup that backs Snotlout's decisions when it should be Snotlout's decision to make. It's Hiccup that sticks around, that tells Snotlout through his actions that he's worth sticking around for. Hiccup didn't know that he was in a two-man war over the man Snotlout would become, but he was.

And then we get to Not Lout, where this has never been more obvious. Spitelout tells his son that his friends aren't really his friends, they're competition, all trying to get in good with Hiccup so they can be higher on Berk's ladder of power. And Snotlout essentially panics about this, spending the rest of the episode trying to prove that he's the better leader. He tries to prove that he ought to be higher on the ladder than he appears to be. He puts his friends in danger to prove this a few times in the episode and it all comes to a head in the emotional climax of the episode.

Like yes I know the scene I'm about to talk about takes place not even halfway through the episode but hear me out.

Snotlout barges into Hiccup's hut and tells him that he will not be left behind, he's "just as good, if not better, than the other guys" and he wants to lead the dragon riders when Hiccup becomes chief. This clearly lays out all of Snotlout's insecurities, and in response Hiccup says "Okay, but you can't force yourself into a leadership position. There are things you need to work on." And he proceeds to tell Snotlout that each dragon rider has their expertise. Astrid and battle strategy and Fishlegs being a dragon encyclopedia. Snotlout needs to either grow his capabilities in all the categories, or learn to look to his friends to help fill in his gaps so be can maybe make better decisions for the group.

Snotlout takes Hiccup's words the wrong way, but the seed's been planted. Hiccup literally just laid out for him that if he wants to climb this nonexistent power ladder, what he needs to do. If Snotlout wants to be the next Hiccup, this is the way to do it. And Snotlout repeats his father's philosophy, that Jorgenson's don't ask permission to be great, and leaves.

The episode proceeds with more of Snotlout being a bad leader and Hiccup gives Snotlout the opportunity to lead a training mission, which goes horribly. Snotlout gives up on himself, grounding himself from future missions. He can't gain his father's approval by climbing the ladder, and in his mind he can't gain Hiccup's approval either because he just failed massively.

The rest of the gang go on a mission to get rid of the Hunter's stash of dragon root, and they become in great danger. Snotlout catches onto a trap, shows up, and in the heat of the moment, successfully leads them all out safely. He deals out tasks to those who are best suited for them, he's determined in his position to protect his fellow riders, and he goes out of his way to protect Hiccup, the one guy who more so than any other in the group doesn't seem to need the protection and ends up saving his life. He lead and he did it well. Snotlout gains Hiccup's praise when Hiccup tells him that he saved his life and it's a good moment, but it's not the emotional resolution.

The following scene, the last in the episode, is so beautiful to me. The riders are finishing the job on the ground and Hiccup and Snotlout are in the air watching. Hiccup tells Snotlout that he's proud of him, that today he did good as the leader Snotlout said he wanted to become, but who knows what the future holds. Hiccup implies he can't promise him that when he becomes chief that he'll give Snotlout the leader of the dragon riders position. And Snotlout says, yeah I've been thinking about that. "Whatever greatness I end up doing, and trust me, it will be great..." and he laughs a bit, "it's gotta be what I want to do. Not what my dad wants me to do."

And the music in the background sounds like the lightbulb turned on. Snotlout realizes that his father doesn't really know what he should be doing with his time, or his life. His father has consistently given him bad advice and caused him to do things against people he cares about to fulfill these goals he never really set for himself. And all the while, Hiccup and dragon riders have been patient with him. They never abandoned him. Because they are his friends, and they love him and want what's best for him. And maybe he feels that now, he lets himself believe it. He will be great, not with Spitelout's permission, and not with Hiccup's, but he will be living in Hiccup's world. Hiccup will be chief and he's already changed the world they live in to create his own. A world of peace where they can ride on dragons. And Snotlout wants to be great inside this new world, standing next to these great people he gets to call friends, and be one of them, not under them or above them.

And Hiccup sees this in Snotlout, he smiles and says "You know, we may not be so different after all." And he doesn't need to explain what he means, he just flies away, and Snotlout knows.

Snotlout's face in those last frames are such a thing of beauty, at first there's confusion as he takes in the words. Then, a large smile, as he realizes what Hiccup meant. That Hiccup too dealt with his father wanting him to be something he wasn't and now he's made himself great, and it's in something he wanted to do. And finally, a quick look of determination as he too flies away to follow Hiccup into the sunset. Because Snotlout did it, he gained the only approval he needs. Approval as a friend, a comrade, as someone worth taking with you into whatever greatness you achieve.

And when they fly into that sunset together, with all the dragon riders into the great beyond, it's Snotlout at Hiccup's right side, a place he will consistently want to be until the end of the story. Because in this episode, Hiccup won. Snotlout no longer wants to be the man Spitelout appears to want him to be. He'll be his own man, and he knows Hiccup will defend that with him.

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