#stop shipping sylvie and loki

[royal-dragon7]

I wonder if straight people who don’t ship Lokius realize that it’s not because it’s a “gay” ship, considering Loki/Sylvie is also queer, because both Loki and Sylvie are gender-fluid and bisexual, and Sylvie is not just the “female” version of Loki, she’s her own character. Like I’m not desperately looking for a gay ship, I just like the chemistry in Lokius better.

#lokius #loki series #mcu loki #loki marvel #loki odinson #sylvie #sylvie x loki #idk what that ship is called #stop with the herteronormativity #it’s not a straight ship even if it looks like it #gender fluid #okay maybe it was straight during the duration it lasted in canon but they are both still gender-fluid #I want to see a female or nb loki this season #season 2 loki #loki season 2 #lgbtq #bisexual

[confusedhalfofthetime]

I haven't even watched season 2 of Loki but I saw a pic of the scene where Loki tells Mobius "If I don't make it back" and I started FUMING.

Like, do you know how many times I've seen scenes like that?

They keep making scenes where it seems like a love confession is on the brink of happening and then it never does. And then they end up with a girl.

Like the whole season they make the two male characters stare longingly at each other or say how much they care for the other or they literally make them ready to sacrifice themselves for the other but yeah they're just best pall!!1!!1

It's giving queerbaiting and I'm FULL of it.

#sorry for the rent I don't wanna be a downer or anything #but i never liked the Sylvie/Loki ship #and even tho I'm not the strongest Lokius fan #I think marvel knows what they're doing but creating scenes like that #they know a lot of people would like to see Loki and Mobius end up together and they will NEVER let them end up together #i know for a fact #so stop making scenes like that dude #loki #mobius #lokius #loki season 2 spoilers

[jotunvali02]

Phew... ok. Once and for all:

1: Selfcest is NOT "incest", you bunch of mad sickos. Selfcest is sth entirely fictional that literally can't happen in real life! But just ask experienced Star Trek fans, they'll teach you better than I.

2: You all would have glorified selfcest and adored Sylki if Sylvie had been a man, you bunch of misogynistic hypocrites. So don't say you hate it because "feminism" or "incest" bullshit. Most of you hate it because she, and not a male character, kissed Loki. That's all. Don't come up with your assertions based on air.

3: Sylvie was crystal clear: she's NOT Loki. None of Loki's variants are him. So Sylki is not even selfcest!

So please, once and for all:

Stop your sexist and delirious lies.

Stop with your fakeness and as He-Who-Remains would say:

GROW UP!

#loki series #sylki #lokius #stop the madness #misogyny #hypocrites #selfcest #two tier shipping #sylvie laufeydottir #loki

[sylvies-kablooie]

”what if sylki isn’t endgame” rest assured i will not go anywhere. i will blog regardless. i Will continue to make playlists and write analysis and maybe even fanfiction. canon has no effect on me. you cannot get rid of me that easily. if only it were that easy.

#as always you can ship whatever on this blog but u know where I stand on this matter #i was in the clintasha trenches in 2016 you literally cannot defeat me #as if something as simple as canon could flick off the switch of what my brain needs to think about!!! #I understand the sadness people feel over things not going the way they want and I feel it too #You just personally cannot get me to stop analyzing every inch of subtext #If i had ae i would make edits. You want edits? Find me ae!! And you can have them. #loki #loki series #loki tv show #Sylki #pro sylki #loki x sylvie #sylkie

[nicholasmoorethetwittermigrant]

Honestly if people are made uncomfortable by the Loki x Sylvie pairing that’s valid and their prerogative, but this crusade on behalf of parts of the fandom to paint a narcissist falling in love with themselves as some kind of meaningful moral outrage strikes me as silly and sad.

“Selfcest” isn’t real and ya look like a clown when you try to make “they can’t fall in love because they have the same DNA/parents” into an actual argument.

Like, just stop watching the show and get over it, it truly is not a battle you need to fight.

#loki laufeyson #loki marvel #loki season 2 #Loki s2 #sylvie laufeydottir #loki x sylvie #do they have a ship name? #like obviously they do but I don’t know it #selfcest isn’t a thing guys stop making yourselves mad over made up shit #marvel cinematic universe #mcu

[brsb4hls]

Ok, one more time:

Loki is not gay!

He is bisexual!

I get that you want to erase Sylvie (who is also bi) to inforce your ship preference, but that's not how that works.

(And yes, you'll probably say it's an umbrella term or whatever, but I wont buy that.)

#loki #loki disney+ #loki mcu #sylvie #comic Loki also has female love interests and a wife! #(the comics don't handle Sigyn that well I'm aware but besides the point) #so everyone screaming about their 'gay dads' should technically also piss off Loki/Sigyn shippers #loki/verity shippers #and so on #also stop calling Sylki shippers 'the straights' ir 'the hets' #a lot of us are queer #and we're shipping a queer couple here #weird of me as a bisexual person to feel represented by the actual bisexual people on my tv and not the straight cop guy #how dare I! #ugh #ok #I'm done #fandom's just so exhausting sometimes

[musclesandhammering]

Me: Loki’s had such a sad life, he deserves to be loved.

Person: That’s ok, he’s got Sylvie now 🥹✨💕

Me: 😒🙄

Other Person: That’s ok, he’s got Mobius now 🥹✨💕

Me: 😒🙄

Person 3: That’s ok, he’s got a new family now 🥹

Me: 🥹🥹🥹

#found family over romance every single time #I don’t wanna hear about how he and sylvie are soulmates and he cares about her more than the entire universe 🤢 #I don’t wanna hear about how Mobius is the only person to love him unconditionally & he’s Loki’s new glorious purpose 🤢 #can we stop making every single gd bit of his character development about romance please #I promise you guys that is SO not the point #it’s about redemption and change and growth and healing but y’all would rather the entire show be about who he made googoo eyes at #shipping discourse #shipping wank #anti lokius #anti sylki #antisylki #loki series criticism #loki series #loki

[nostalgia-tblr]

not to say the antis were right that selfcest leads inevitably to incest, but is the reading sylki to reading thorki pipeline just me or..??

#sylvie was my MCU gateway drug so she gets first dibs on whichever loki(s) she wants #BUT now it turns out i like reading about other iterations of her as well and one of them has a backstory we saw a bit more of #and i did say i could see why people would ship thorki - squickiness aside those dudes are the most important ppl in each other's lives #and there's a lot of it on AO3. like A LOT. really a lot. #tho i do admit i'm generally preferring the thor-centric ones? it's just the thor fans don't tend to write Weepy Willowy Woobie Loki #who is probably my least-favourite loki - luckily he's not really canonical - unluckily many people think he is #and because “oh no the man i love went evil!” is more interesting to me than “oh no the man i love is SO MEAN TO ME 😭” #i for one am willing to forgive Thor for the heartless crime of being the firstborn - for i am a true cosmopolitan it takes all sorts etc #NO SELF DON'T START TAG-SPAMMING ABOUT AETHELINGS NO ONE WANTS THAT STOP HERE WHILE YOU STILL CAN #mcu tag i guess #but i mean alfred of wessex was like the fourth brother to inherit and he's REALLY famous and so #(*I AM AM FORCIBLY REMOVED FROM THE TUMBLR POSTING/EDITING BOX*)

[cleabellanov]

"But Lokius isn't even canon! Stop making everything gay!"

...

The Loki series isn't just about romantic relationships and shouldn't be seen as so. However, there is a lot of subtext. Maybe this ship is not canon, but it was intended to be seen as so by the fans.

If Lokius isn't canon, then why were the last two shots of the series showing Mobius and Loki?

If Lokius isn't canon, why would there be so much touching and scenes so physically close to one another? (believe me I know they're friends. that just offers a solid base for something more)

If Lokius isn't canon, why is there an OFFICIAL track named like that?

Why is said track played or incorporated in different scenes of the series? like

-the first McDonalds meeting with Sylvie,

-the back-in-time conversation with Kang

- the ASCENSION to the throne?

Why is the Sylvie and Loki kiss never mentioned, by the producers, in the series per se, or even in the season 1 recap?

Why is Mobius the only one looking at Loki when he leaves down to the temporal loom?

And the other way around, why did Loki only make eye contact with Mobius in that scene?

Why is Mobius the only one to notice there is something wrong when Loki is still trying to fix the Loom?

Why did Mobius/Don on the original timeline, mention he's single, trust a complete stranger, invite him for a drink, AND offer to sell him a quite personal jet-ski?

Why did Loki, the LITERAL GOD OF MISCHIEF stutter and fix his hair and coat for no one else but Mobius (who by the way is just a jetski salesman on that timeline)?

Why is the timeslipping Loki had to go through directed to Mobius twice, him being the the only one he doesn't need a TemPad to "recruit"?

Why would Loki bring up Thor and Jane if it wasn't to mirror him and Mobius? (because, as he already was talking to Sylvie, he certainly wasn't implying it's about her. They were arguing, AND Mobius was implied in the conversation. Loki defended him in front of Sylvie, in case you forgot.)

Why would Mobius's voice be the one to echo back to Loki on his throne? let time pass time pass time pass

Why the RAINBOW?

WHY DID LOKI LOOK AT MOBIUS RIGHT BEFORE THE FAMOUS LINE "IT'S ABOUT WHO"? (important mention: Sylvie was behind him when he said that. why didn't he just turn around when saying it? nope, they know what they're doing)

Why is the shot cut to Mobi after Loki's "it was more about what I wanted" line?

Why the shot where 7 characters could've been showed (Mobius, Loki, Sylvie, B-15, Casey, O.B., Victor Timely) there are only 2: Mobius and Loki?

Why is Mobius the only one to tell Loki he can be someone good, and the first one Loki actually believes despite his tendency to do the other way around in the past?

Why does Mobius finally find insight, and reinvent his whole life at the TVA because Loki helped him do so? (they're not even the first Loki variant he faced, but something clicked this time)

Why does the bloody sleeve, representing Loki being hurt by Sylvie just because he "wore his heart on his sleeve" disappear on episode 2? (because he finally understands who he needs to be next to)

Why did Mobius risk his life on the first episode?

Why did Loki go to past Mobius for the final advice, not to the present one, not to Sylvie?

Why did Loki ultimately sacrifice his life for the ones he loves?

And why is Mobius left alone, with the door locked, after Loki leaves in the Loom's radiation?

Why would there be so much endearing looks, and smiles at each other, if not for a conscious acting choice?

Why why why why why if it isn't canon?

Nothing is for nothing. Especially in television, where everything counts from the light to the angles and the way the lines are spoken.

We don't need to see two characters kiss to know they are made for one another. In fact, I think implied canon is so much better for now, because it leaves free interpretation for the fans, and nothing to strike on for the haters.

Of course, that doesn't change the fact that the ending is still tragic, although it holds its sweet from bittersweet. But remember: there aren't tragedies without love.

#yeah that's my rant about these two because we can't just ignore how implied canon they are #there is probably much more I didn't grasp #loki series #lokius #marvel #mobius #loki #owen wilson #tom hiddleston #tom hiddleston loki #comics #art #cinema #mcu #writing #fun #a tragedy #with nothing greek in it #midnights #miss minutes #sylvie #sylvie laufeydottir #frigga #odin #variants #lady sif #theater #time theatre #queer community

[blazethecheeto]

you know what i loved about the finale?

all this talk about sylki vs lokius, and everyone fighting over betting which one will be canon-

when in the end, this show was never about romance. it was about love, but it was never about romance. it was always about loki learning to heal and to be loved, and sacrifice, and hope, and a bunch of cool sci-fi shit!! it was about him not wanting to be alone.

(but ultimately in the end, he has to be)

when loki turns to sylvie and mobius, they desperately try to open the door to stop him, because of course it's them who see him for the last time. it was always them. he says 'for you' because they were the two most important people to him this entire series.

when i went to look at people's thoughts on that scene, i just saw everyone arguing like HELL about who loki meant, hating on each other's ships, being devastated lokius wasn't canon (same, but in the good angsty way, not in the we hate the writers for doing this) etc.

guys! that wasn't the point of the scene! he loves them both, he was saying it to both of them. he didn't want to kill sylvie, and he couldn't watch mobius die again.

season 2 has exceeded season 1 for me in so many ways, but especially because of the scrapping of romance. it's been incredible to see these relationships become vague and blurry, the line between friendship and love and romance completely up to the viewers. it's been heaven for me, who ships both sylki and lokius.

anyways the finale was amazing, this show is amazing, and this season was amazing. i really really hope there's a third season or that they show up in other marvel projects IMMEDIATELY.

#loki #sylki #mobius #lokius #he loves them both so so much #mine #my ships #mobius m mobius #loki laufeyson #sylvie #fandom rant #loki finale #loki spoilers #sylvie laufeydottir #still sobbing btw #marvel #my faves #loki series #loki season 2

[galaxythreads]

the fact that we

didn't kill all the TVA agents because they were trying to do what they thought was right with the wrong information

give the TVA a choice on whether or not they want to stay now.

Did not make Loki the new Kang

Had Loki build Yggdrasil

Loki's moral compass was the thing that stopped him from just giving up because he refuses to let people die

Loki is not taking control of the timelines, he's simply purging them of evil Kangs, and therefore keeping them safe

Loki got his silly little horns back!!

Loki got a throne, but it's one where he keeps people safe

are actively working to make the TVA not fascist, weird, creepy, and murderous

Mobius has the crappiest house in the world but he just wanted that because it's his

Sylvie gets to find a home because she's not running for her life anymore

NO SHIPS!!

are good things about the finale. I didn't love it, but this was all very good and satisfying.

#loki #loki series #loki season 2 #loki season 2 spoilers

[pennie-dreadful]

Because I'm seeing way too many of y'all bend over backwards to explain to Sylkie antis that Sylkie isn't """"selfcest""""

STOP. STOP IT.

Besides the fact that selfcest is not real and is in no way analogous to real world abuse or harm, it wouldn't matter even if it were. This post is not about rehashing that disk horse, though. This post is to say that YEAH IT'S WEIRD, LOKI AND SYLVIE FALLING IN LOVE WITH EACH OTHER IS DEFINITELY WEIRD. We have had Mobius and Brad/X5 both remark on it, in fact. A romantic relationship between 2 variants of the same person from different timelines is still pretty significantly fucking weird.

AND THAT'S OK

That's why I like Sylkie, godfuckingdammit. I could not have come up with the concept if I tried, and if it had just been explained to me I would throw my hands in the air in frustration (while I certainly have enjoyed plenty of Loki shipfics, at the end of the day I don't really ship him with anyone and I violently hated the idea of him getting a canon love interest). But Tom and Sophia sold me on it with their frankly insane chemistry, and I honestly think they're the only canon Loki pairing I could ever accept, because the relationship itself mirrors Loki perfectly: kinda fucked up, weird and deviant. It's not a fairytale romance. They don't fix each other. They had every reason to hide their feelings and not trust each other, but they still did. AND THEN THEY STILL FUCKED IT UP AND HURT EACH OTHER, because turns out they have opposing ideologies re: the multiverse and how to save it (and what it needs saving from).

Sylkie shippers, you don't need to pander or justify yourselves to self righteous moralizing biphobic assholes. You just don't! Own the weirdness that is Sylkie! I am begging you to stop trying to prove that there's nothing wrong with Sylkie, and recognize that the fucked upness is the whole entire goddamn point.

(Addendum for clarification: this does not mean that I think Loki and Sylvie can't still have a healthy and balanced relationship. They can! I very very very much want them to! But they are both 15 different kinds of damaged and they are so, so not there yet. It's about the journey, not the destination 💚)

#the loki show #sylkie #sylki #my sylkie manifesto i guess #nobody asked for my opinions but here they are anyway

[trutrustories]

STUDY IN LOKI ROMANCE

Part 4: Heart of the TVA

Since we're only a few days away from the last episode, I decided to COUNT DOWN everything we´ve got so far ( that can be interpreted very easily as romantic ) and discuss what the actual fuck is going on with second season. Because even though I shipped lokius practically from S1E2, I absolutely did NOT expect this kind of development. (Not that I´m complaining)

Warning: This is gonna be LONG post, lots of screenshots, lots of SPOILERS, lot of "oh-my-god-they-so-cute" language, and little bit of meta.

I originally thought that this post would be everything at once, but since I have just too many screenshots this time around, I´ll have to split it. so every post will be one episode. Color coding means:

IIIIIIIIII = anything, that coud potentialy be just acting choice.

IIIIIIIIII = everything else (tzn.: whatever was written, and/or carefully prepared by filmmakers. )

side note: I already wrote, about how amazing it is, that Mobius is unable to fight but fights anyway and how beautifuly, and ridiculously brave he is HERE. But this is about Loki/Mobius interactions, so I´ll try my best not to talk about THAT. (Even when I´m really happy, that s2 continues with this formula and Mobius is still his completely defenseless while aggressively brave self. I love him, btw.)

EPISODE 1 HERE

EPISODE 2 HERE

EPISODE 3 HERE

check-list, episode 4 (my beloved): 33) changing clothes together not to be that person, but like... they always went through the door from TVA on timeline in their "camouflage disguises". So Loki couldn't use his magic to change their clothes. I mean... they even make turning off system that prevents magic plot point in this episode So unless they have some special device in TVA (which was never established) It is implied, that these two just spend some time changing clothes together, before going out. And that brings me to this specific moment: At the end of the previous episode we see them going through the time door (fairly soon after Victor Timely, in 1893 clothing) And this episodes starts with Victor ariving at TVA and wondering around the empty hallways. Alone. So let me get this straight: After we see them both walk through the time door, they end in that war room (were they met in ep1), just the two of them. Victor is.... somewhere. who knows where, who even cares? And they though: it is actualy priority number one to change our clothes. Yes, right now. Never mind, we have He Who Remains variant wondering around the TVA and everything is going to explode soon. We have to take our clothes off. RIGHT THE FUCK NOW. I´m sorry, film makers, but what the acual f-

34) Bickering like married couple (part 4) (but this time with EVERYONE else watching them with question marks above their heads. And these two idiots husbands probably didn´t even noticed xDD )

Also.... "It´s got your shape" 😳 really? really Mobius? And how would you- oh sorry, my bad, never mind. I almost forget you were changing clothes togheter MULTIPLE TIMES, so of course you would know that. ... right? 35) The "misunderstanding trope"

This whole scene is just... jeeez! Sylvie screeming at Mobius for wanting cake (while Loki already knows, that Mobius wants it, because he is in a stress.) He tries to stop Sylvie, but she continues. Loki circles around her and ends up right between them (cough...smybolism...cough) And Sylvie starts attacking Mobius because he doesn´t want to know his life on a timeline. While Loki is RIGHT THERE, knowing perfectly well Mobiuses reason´s and how bad she is hurting him, because episode 2 happened. Loki knows. And then she leaves, and Loki follows her. But Mobius doesn´t know, what we know: and that he went to her to DEFEND HIM. Jeeeeeeez writers.... thanks, for this perfect example of romantic complication. Dramatic irony 100%. I´m living for this relationship drama while everything around them collapses and explodes. 10/10 television!

Also... poor man needed pick-me-up cocoa drink immediately after 😭

36) Pie scene number two I have to say, I LOVED this scene. EVERY FUCKING WORD. philosophical conflicts? yes please. moral dilemas? give me more! but let´s focus on Loki defending Mobius. Him bringing up Thor into the coversation, and comparing his change on Earth (that he didn´t understand before) to his own change that came from spending time at TVA. spending time with Mobius. And he is standing infront of pies this whole time! basicly him low key comparing Thor´s love for Jane to his love for Mobius

And let´s not forget how obvious the difference between two pie scenes is! Because the first one is full of relaxed gestures, kindness and understanding. Just Loki and Mobius being intimite and open with each other 🥹 In glaring contrast with that, THIS scene, with Sylvie is full of conflict, tention and disagreements. The are standind, far from each other, and whole room has completely different (horror like) vibe.

37) THIS SHOT. just the two of them, right before the end.

God I love this episode so much! 💛💛💛

#lokius #loki #loki spoiler #loki spoilers #loki season 2 #mobius #mobius m mobius #loki and mobius

[marvelights625]

why are people who don’t like sylvie being called sexist? why are people who don’t like sylki and prefer lokius being called misogynist?? like what is your logic?

there is absolutely no reason for me to like sylvie. she literally told loki he had ‘the nerve’ to come to her, when he was just trying to explain the consequences for her actions and ask her for help.

she asked ‘is this the best you can do?’ when she didn’t even try shit to help those timelines.

she didn’t want to understand. she didn’t want to listen. she thought she was the one who was right, and the moment her life was threatened, she was just like fine…i’ll be on loki’s side.

she didn’t like it when loki was guiding everyone at the tva. she wanted the control, therefore her impatience.

she didn’t have any problem calling mobius careless, when she sat on her ass and ate mcdonalds after destroying the timeline.

but no, she was treated like a princess. nobody said anything to her. everybody was kind to her.

oh yeah, and i’m sorry, but so what if she’s had a rough past. i don’t care. i don’t love her for her past, i’d love her for who she choses to be. so stop it with that lame ass excuse.

why should i ship my favorite character with her?

do they care about each other mutually? no

does sylvie trust anybody but herself? no

does she respect him? no

is there any healthy communication? no

are they happy around each other? fucking no.

while they want romance between these two, the want ‘healthy male friendship’ between loki and mobius.

the ones who care deeply and are always supporting each other

the ones who don’t hesitate to trust one another.

the ones who show respect for the other

the ones who offer comfort when the other feels insecure.

the gleaming smiles when the other says something.

loki literally said ‘you saw something in me that i didn’t see in myself’

is it so bad to want this kind of love for your favourite character?

and for those calling us misogynistic, sylvie is typically what a misogynistic man thinks of a ‘strong female character’

‘take a white blonde woman. make her angry and loud and make her always speak over her male counterpart. yeah, that’s woman empowerment! also she has the most tragic back story, so if anyone blames her they are the haters. oh also, she’s always right. don’t have anyone blame her okay? the women on twitter won’t call her a girlboss then.’

don’t change your opinion for me, but don’t call me misogynistic. because as a female myself, it’s deeply offensive to me.

edit: this and also that loki deserved better than to have character development from a one-sided crush and a manipulative kiss and it being called ‘learning to care selflessly’.

#loki season 2 #loki series #anti sylvie #anti sylki #lokius

[cherriiramen]

There was literally no queerbaiting in Loki. As a bisexual man I am literally begging people to stop calling "male characters had close and intimate scenes but did end up together" queerbaiting. Queerbaiting is when they dangle a potential queer character in front of the audience and then go "oops no they're straight" Loki isn't even straight! He's canonically bi! So is Sylvie! Neither of them ended up with anyone! Men are allowed to be close without being romantically or sexually interested in each other and modern audiences are so spoiled for representation that those friendships are attacked by fans angry they didn't fuck.

HOLY SHIT I JUST ANSWERED AN ASK TO DO WITH THIS-

ANON WHAT A TIMING-!!

Here! Have the link to what I spoke of this. I think you’d like this. 😭

https://www.tumblr.com/cherriiramen/733622613500395520/im-sorry-could-you-be-more-specific-of-why-you

This is exactly what I’m trying to say.

Loki was confirmed canonically bisexual, how much more could we ask for??

No romantic relationship was confirmed between him and Mobius. Neither was it confirmed between him and Thor, nor him and Tony, nor him and Fandrall, and ohhh the list is long..

I’m a multishipper in general because I love analysing different character dynamics and how they might work, but… hello guys?? 😀

Like it’s nice to fantasise sometimes when it comes to shipping, but can we stop mixing our delusions with ‘canon’?? It’s happening far too often where you have a bunch of extremists ruin a show/movie for you by hyping it up just for two ‘queer’ characters then completely shit on it when they don’t get the representation they highly expected by the end of it.

++ I find it really fucking petty and ungrateful how so many of them turned on Tom for not making out with Mobius or some shit. He deserves so much better than this. Are you forgetting how much of this fandom’s bs he handled?? He laughed with us at our crazy fanart, ship art it be or just Loki on a damn stripping pole. He was asked so many uncomfortable questions. He was more than generous with us.

Honestly..

#big headache #oh god. #tom hiddelston loki #Loki #Loki series #Loki season 2 #discourse #Sylvie #Mobius #Loki season finale #marvel #mcu #avengers #fandoms #shipping discourse #I’m a bisexual too #i feel you anon </3 #lokius