#stucky analysis

[simplylupin]

Steve Rogers as The Archer

i will never shut up about steve rogers and consequently my mind also never shuts up about him - especially when i'm listening to this song because it's so fundamentally him

so here is my pointless, nonsensical analysis of it

Combat, I'm ready for combat I say I don't want that, but what if I do?

in age of ultron it's mentioned that steve is a man who doesn't know what to do/doesn't know who he is if he's not fighting

in civil war he also says that he wishes when he sees something wrong he "could ignore it". when tony points out that "no he doesn't" steve straight up admits that he doesn't; he craves fighting because it's all he's known

'Cause cruelty wins in the movies I've got a hundred thrown-out speeches I almost said to you

Easy they come, easy they go I jump from the train, I ride off alone

easy they come: everyone flocking to him after he gets the serum

easy they go: him waking up to pretty much everyone from his life gone

i feel like i don't even need to explain the "jump from the train, ride off alone"

I never grew up, it's getting so old Help me hold onto you

"i never grew up, it's getting so old" - he never got to live the life he was supposed to before freezing; he constantly has to readjust to the modern world and practically relearn everything

he's grasping for the opportunity to have someone he can rely on because of this

I've been the archer I've been the prey Who could ever leave me, darling? But who could stay?

kind of self-explanatory but he's been both the hunter and the hunted in his life

"who could leave me/who could stay"; the idea of who could ever leave captain america because he's captain america, but nobody actually stays in the end for him

And I cut off my nose just to spite my face Then I hate my reflection for years and years

i mostly associate this bit with civil war simply because of the cutting of my nose to spit my face phrase; it means to disadvantage oneself through a wilful attempt to gain an advantage or assert oneself

whilst i don't think steve regretted the decisions he made in civil war, i think there must've been some regret about how he went about doing it and how it affected him and his relationships

like he was on the run/in hiding for two years essentially because of his choices soooo

I wake in the night, I pace like a ghost The room is on fire, invisible smoke

this isn't really anything crazy but i always think about the scene in tfa when him and bucky are escaping hydra and the whole place is on fire and he has to jump over it yknow?

And all of my heroes die all alone Help me hold onto you

"my heroes" aka "my friends"

'Cause they see right through me They see right through me They see right through Can you see right through me?

They see right through They see right through me

I see right through me I see right through me

i feel like his character is one that has the constant anxiety of having to prove himself; all his physical abilities and what others deem as useful in combat came from the serum - there's the thought of having to show that he's worthy of it, that he was the right decision etc etc

he also canonically has a lot of guilt for things that've happened eg bucky's 'death' - we're are own worst critics so this paired with the want to be worthy must've felt like a thousand eyes watching for him to make a mistake again

'Cause all of my enemies started out friends Help me hold onto you

i think of both bucky and tony with this line tbh

neither of them are really his 'enemies' at all but

#this is so stupid #but i didn't want to do exam revision so #steve rogers #captain america #marvel #mcu #bucky barnes #stucky #tony stark #steve rogers analysis

[vivelarevolution13]

*opens the sam wilson tag*

#why why why why #look it’s. whatever I really don’t give a shit do your thing #but tell me WHY these are more than HALF the TOP posts in the SAM WILSON TAG. the *SAM WILSON* tag! #and then another quarter is about stucky completely unrelated to sam. don't make me hate on stucky y'all come on #🚬🚬😑 #I feel like I could go into a whole fucking analysis here but better ppl than me have put it into words. I’m just so so tired #he deserves better!! he deserves better. #sam wilson

[stuckytoyoulikeglue]

Continuing on my theme of random thoughts:

What if the reason Steve was so old when he finally made it back wasn't because he lived out his life in an alternate timeline, but because he nipped back for five minutes just to clean up (return the stone, keep his promise to Peggy, rescue Bucky) and then thought 'I could do more' and got completely carried away?

What if he's just spent eighty odd years hopping from timeline to timeline rescuing Buckies left right and centre?

He's just about dumb enough to think that if he keeps going, maybe he can save them all.

Well, all except his Bucky, and he'll never forgive himself for that.

#steve rogers #bucky barnes #stucky #captain america #winter soldier #dumb theory #no this will not hold up to analysis #i will not be taking questions at this time

[amarriageoftrueminds]

current addiction: doing colour season palettes for my blorbos

Bucky seems to switch between Soft Autumn and Soft/Light Summer depending on which photo I use, so IMO he's a True Soft. 😅

I was expecting Steve to be a Bright Winter like CEvans is, but apparently the blond hair bumps his palette up to a True Summer. (Maybe if there was such a thing as a Bright Summer…? 🤔)

#stucky #colour season analysis #dat's me #I suspect bucky may be a soft autumn but looks good in a couple of cool colours anyway because of his eyes... 🤔 #but if he WAS a soft summer he'd be able to wear steve's old sun-faded clothes and look Goood 😭 #steve rogers #bucky barnes #MCU #chris evans #sebastian stan #remember folks: REBLOG 🔁 / DON'T JUST LIKE 🤍

[cptn-merica]

thinking of how torn up bucky looked in ca:tws when steve stopped fighting him in the helicarrier

and even after, he was so bewildered

everything shifted for him...

#og post #me #bucky barnes #steve rogers #text #analysis #gifset #stucky #stevebucky #steve and bucky #steve rogers x bucky barnes

[lnsfawwi]

"he is willing to die for everyone": life and death for stevebucky

I wrote this because I saw a post that said something like "'A's willing to die for B'. A is willing to die for everyone, what's the big deal about the ship." it's not about stucky or any ship, but this has always been on my mind.

throughout the trilogy, they have quite different attitudes towards life.

steve to some extent has always been ready to die, partly because he has had brushes with death multiple times since he was a kid. as rebellious as steve, he probably feels like being afraid of death is a sign of weakness, so he stands up to it and dares death to finally take him. that sentiment evolved to full blown passive suicidal tendency after bucky's death. another reason is that since he became cap, he understands that he's meant for something larger than life and certainly larger than himself, he's accepted that he'd one day die for the greater good.

bucky is the opposite, he clearly wants to live. in the cut scene in catfa he ordered the unit to surrender bc they'd have a better chance of surviving that way than going up against hydra alien weapon. after caws, he was trying to find a reason to live when many people in the same situation would've just ended it (and bucky thought about it too).

which brings me to my point. for someone who's so ready to sacrifice himself, bucky is steve's reason to live, while the love for steve always trumps bucky's will to live.

like I pointed out in a previous post, even when he had no idea what he was capable of, steve jumped through fire for bucky. whereas when it was peggy who pleaded, begging him to find a way to survive the plane crush, he didn't even try.

in the same scene, bucky, who just survived weeks of torture and had a clear way out of there, refused to leave without steve, knowing full well that they could both end up dying.

sebastian made it clear that bucky only stayed because of steve. in a way, bucky knew that if he died it'd be for steve, not for the country or the greater good, just steve. and that's the only acceptable way to die in a war that he'd grown sick of.

yes, steve was willing to die at bucky's hands in that helicarrier, but alternatively, he was also leaving the choice to live completely up to bucky. the scene can be interpreted as steve telling bucky "if you remember me, save me. save us." there was only one way steve would survive, there was only one reason steve would be willing to live and that was bucky. remember that steve was so ready to die with bucky when he told maria to "fire now". bucky was the only reason he even tried to survive this.

in civil war, bucky had been trying so hard not to kill himself and build a normal life. he must've wanted to go back to steve at some point and rebuild their relationship together. but as soon as he realized not everyone was going to get out of siberia alive, he told tony "I remember all of them" so tony would go after him instead of steve. he was trading his life for steve's.

one thing about superhero ships is that, yes, they are totally willing to die for anyone. steve would totally be willing to die saving a single person from a collapsing building, but bucky is his reason to find a way to not die saving that person.

bucky is as much as hero as steve, he continued to fight when he could've just butted out and no one would've said a thing. for bucky, he wants to go home after the fights, but as long as steve is still out there risking his stupid ass, bucky will make peace with death and follow steve anywhere.

#bucky barnes #steve rogers #stucky #stevebucky #stucky is in the narrative #catfa #caws #cacw #look i know im not the best at writing ok #steve my sweet suicidal baby #in a way both of them are more than ready to die for the greater good #im not saying bucky is selfish or whatever #but bucky is much more realistic about the whole 'greater good' thing #remember when seb said steve was the only thing that kept bucky from killing himself? #their relationships with death deserve a full comprehensive analysis #the irony #cus steve never died whereas bucky died many times

[sharonisthebettercarter]

Hai.

How do you measure your top and bottoms? I will likely greatly regret asking.

oh HIIII @diamonddung~<3<3<3!

why yes. yes you will<3 i never did get that answer on fiona's nick valentine % <3 tho you may need to amend billy's % lmao<3<3<3

as a bonafide too queer to function lunatic and multishipper who *hates* catty supremacist false dichotomy fandom bullshit because of all the unnecessary problems it causes (you know me, lmao, bit of another psa in here i guess given multiship tags and yes, i am still upset about the thing with the artist)? ya know i'm a little out there and not quite with the 'in' crowd of the chunk of cis het women who take party~ in the shipping world~<3 no shade, but it does tend to change one's perspective. i do feel there's lots of shipping discourse that may miss the mark/certain character elements in favor of...

well, normally just plain ol' over-sexualization from some horny ass people lfmao, (homie's scene with doppelhomie is a good example, the trauma presented on his face was ignored in favor of the selfcest fantasy, but in antony starr's words, homie wasn't interested, he was traumatized :((() but also unfortunately... echhh i gotta say it!

hetero-normalizing gay ships and then treating the kink presentation like a goddamn religion... the amount of times i have those 'are the straights okay???' moments are just...

LMAO, all in good fun of course<3 let's not kink shame.

it's fine to have different kinks and discourse, disagreements over how you view characters or what you like, even be enthusiastic with your own views and shout them out to the heavens~! it's *NOT* fine to try and police, dehumanize, or discourage others from enjoying what they like just because it's *different* from you and they exist in a *shared* space.

friendly important reminder to *ship and let ship*, *art and let art* however that may be. even if i don't like the way a ship is presented or voice how *i* personally feel about it, i would *never* try to or even have the gall to tell someone *no, you can't do that, my way or the highway*

It does NOT *exclude* you to *include* others. It costs nothing to be *nice* or simply DNI. This is NOT a dichotomy. Fandoms do NOT need additional toxicity and bullying over something so *trivial* as fictional bullshit. EVER.

"i don't like bullies... i don't care where they're from." ;)

anywho~<3 i love top/bottom exploration because i have a very bad BAD~<3 dominance kink, but switching definitely gets the most downplaying/ignoring with a heavy focus on... mmm, i suppose often, more superficial elements half the time and i'll admit some of mine def are~ lmao nose size. and i don't say that to dissuade any writers, young or old. i say it to *encourage* moar deep diving<3<3<3 and even questioning the way you might think/listening to new perspectives~<3!

we all start somewhere and have times of exploration/learning~<3 learning moar and challenging yourself? that's a *good* thing<3<3<3 but sadly, not always valued (it should be!) :(

but apart from canon dynamices/character depth/personality to the best of my ability/understanding? the long answer is ANAL GAPE~<3

among other things, i'm sure that makes no sense whatsoever<3 because some other factors do get thrown in. intelligence because i'm a morosexual and LOVE big dumb tops<3<3<3, practicality super anuses are a death trap to not be played with however super phalli~, and weirdly... nose size. i'm not kidding!

yeah i know some idiot out there told me nose size is apparently related to phallus size and testosterone levels OH WAIT-- but oddly enough...? i think there may be some kinda instinct there LOL, because it seemed to registered in my brain the same way i registered my top/bottoms for the most part, even *before* learning that...

and i *swear*... i'll come back to this shit cause it's hilarious, but even in fanart, you'll see many artists subconsciously/purposefully give the guy they want to 'top' a bigger nose... even if he has a smaller one. ;)))))))))))))))))

BUTT ANAL GAPE! WHAT IS IT!?

not the nasty version ya nasties~<3

it basically boils down to... how big of an ASSHOLE is this asshole... just wide do those booty cheeks spread with the level a disrespect-- how *badly* does he *need* a good railing and prostate MMPH~<3<3<3! or even spanking~<3 how much of a control freak is he? how stubborn~? how far do those bitchy manipulative little devil vibes go~<3<3<3 what does he *want*? really want. figurative dick energy? is he compensating for something? is he in need of, holdin' out for a hero~<3<3<3? how so? how far from the goal of expressing positive masculinity are we and why? just how toxic we talkin~? i'm slippin' under<3

what is the outward presentation being given vs. the one he gives privately/with those he loves? there's a pretty big difference sometimes and it can say a lot. naturally gentle doms like kal-el or steve rogers i see get mislabeled for that old thing, 'mistaking kindness for weakness', so to speak. but as a general rule, they say that in the bedroom~ people actually tend to give the opposite of what they present in their day to day lives/'those with the most control of their lives are secretly the most submissive' or something along those lines, and it makes sense that things would manifest that way when you think about it. (ironically learned about this *after* learning my kinks)

a good example would be billy butcher, who gives the outward presentation of being rough and ragged and 'in control' wannabe logan, but is extremely soft, caring and submissive with those he loves<3 contrast with homelander who has had ZERO control over his own life from day one and *really* likes it rough when he gets the chance and--

boi lemme tell ya hwat--

it's a number of things, lmao, and the calculations in my head are automatic and will not make sense in numbers. so.

i don't think i need to explain much on anal gape when it comes to scott summers, lex luthor, bruce wayne, tony stark, and especially... *especially* billy butcher.

but lets not forget the added morosexual aspect~ which *can* even override anal gape! so let's go over what every one a my tagged ship bottoms might be saying to their big dumb idiot animal tops being DUMB<3<3<3

scott: *glares violently*

lex: *glares in pure bitch trying to hide the horny*

bucky: steve... what the fuck.

tony: *hard eye rolling and harder cuddling*

bruce: . . .

charles: ERIK!?

billy: *as he takes off his clothes* why... are you a brainless cunt?

pay no mind to homie's indignant huffing with a side of horny in response (somebody find me that goddamn meme lmao<3), and brucie might still be processing clark's stupidity lol<3

it's funny tho, cause i have competency kink too~<3 and i love me a good boi team up/learnin' as we go~<3<3<3

practicality? pretty self explanatory... way back when... dc gave us detail on the urinals of the justice league and pretty much confirmed man of steel, woman of kleenex (my favorite<3). i could not make this shit up-- (thanks btw dd for sending me this shit now i HAVE to share it)

so. given that we know superman's piss stream is strong enough to *dent* reinforced titanium steel when *weakened*--.

do i really have to say much about his sphincter? it makes diamonds, it makes fucking diamonds, do not stick anything up there unless you wanna lose it forever.

from a practical sense, i never like making it *easy* for clark~<3 to bone someone lmao, it's just too fun<3<3<3 (blue k is always an option of course) but also... he can vibrate it (along with his fingers and tongue), he has infinite stamina. and he has no refractory period... ;)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

homelander is much the same, maybe with an added *lack* of control and def a bit moar scary leik, might deliberately murder you scary but STILL--

you could not fucking *PAY* me to miss a goddamn chance for superweiner--

not sure i wanna think about what martian manhunter has... but i'd still let him do whatever to me, honestly<3 he'd be the BEST gentle dom i *swear*. like he'd literally check in and politely ask on you instead of reading your mind and check for any discomfort and be SO SWEET and tender and caring, making sure you're okay the whole time and just genuinely give you an experience you're never gonna forget leik<3<3<3 J'ONN~<3! HHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH~<3<3<3

oops... ignore that--

and as for nose size~<3?

well~<3 OBVIOUSLY i want my bottoms to be getting the best they can<3 i SPOIL the shit out of them! of course we NEED the guy with the bigger dong nose to top, they should be havin' a grand ol' time~!

but back to that artist thing and genuinely, genuinely amazing. it's almost like a guarantee and i don't even know if people are aware of doing it, but it is always so hilarious and adorable to me. *especially* with billy butcher, the star of the anal gape show<3<3<3

"they just can't get my nose right!"

and of course no shade/disrespect to the actor (his nose is so goddamn cute<3<3<3 and i love it<3) or any other actors, or artists, but even *becca* (her nose is also cute and i love it~<3) had a bigger nose than him. seriously. homie's nose is fiiiiine~<3 but also actually bigger and longer. and it's just... ALMOST *guaranteed*. anyone who sees billy as a 'top' while drawing him *automatically* gives him the bigger/longer nose... and it just blows my mind how amazingly consistent that seems to be LOL (apparently like the study done on noses and weiners!)

what does that say about us, i wonder...?? (no seriously, i really wonder<3) adamant denial~<3 maybe? ;))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

billy boo does have the biggest eyes tho~<3<3<3

and apparently, did look it up... but it works inversely with bmi?? which... 100000% explains willem dafoe<3<3<3

it ALSO pretty much... confirms show homelander as their very own willem dafoe/norman osborn... and i never thought i'd have it THIS down bad for osborn but i can't with the things that does to me-- I'VE BEEN CONVERTED!! like the boi *already* is confimed *HUGE* canonically. *by BILLY* in the comic!

but by the gods--

down to the lovely eyes, scary smile, and psychosis. so it is that history repeats... hello mad daddy~<3

god i need to watch dafoe's spooderman again<3

I guess billy boo is now confirmed to be actually *compensating* for SOOOOOO much--

welp. i guess this explains why billy called himself an 'alpha male' unironically which i will never let him live down~<3 he already has the biggest gape i have EVER seen on a character. EVER. like. this boi. has enough gape to fit a goddamn planet up his ass. let's be generous and say that show boi billy is just at moon level. but it is still just. HUGE. which i guess makes homie just the perfect match for him given the willem dafoe vibes--

and honestly... it's beautiful<3

and the best part about billy is just how *self aware* he is of this. he postures to high hell and plays the part his dad would want him to, but he knows it's a goddamn problem, *addiction*, *hates* it, and spends his life looking for *solutions* and *self punishment*...

that's homie baby~<3

billy considered becca his *cure* (if the clear cut submissive role he took with her wasn't enough<3<3<3 SO CUTE<3<3<3) but *homelander* is the *replacement*. his *last resort*. cut my life into pieces--NOOOOO--

goddammit billy boo, i *really* do feel for you, i do... but lemme translate what billy butcher is *actually* saying in both the show and comic in going after homelander. cause lemme tell ya it ain't just revenge...

*destroy me, eviscerate me. because i am afraid of what i will do if you can't stop me. and because you took away the one who could save me, you owe me this and i will take it if need be.*

because there's *one* thing that billy fears, and he's had the ability to say it, even feel it... beaten out of him. but he almost always fully goes into battle *not* intending to come out of it. he *wants* to die and he hates himself a whole lot... and he knows. it's the thing his father gave him, the sickness he passed on that billy never wanted but can't control. but this would also be why he gives no fucks about 'collateral'.

even if by force or violence, billy wants to fail, he wants to be held down, he *wants* to lose, he wants to get knocked back down until he can't get back up anymore. he sure as hell isn't gonna make it easy for anyone, that's not in his nature, but he knows what happens if he can keep going.

billy knows he's a monster, but he is preconditioned to never control it. he sees the kindred monster in homelander, preconditioned to be *under control* but slipping through and vying to get loose... but homelander, despite everything *still* has control... billy wants to see it break, he *needs* it.

ugh~<3<3<3 yes, i know i am redundant with this shit<3 but it's just SO poetic<3<3<3 i CANNOT--

even season 3 evidenced their dynamic and dug in perfectly. scorched urf? the candle's fuckin' lit. herogasm? 3 on 1. ONLY A BRUISE--. billy, bloody smile~ comes back for more? billy gets his ass kicked by the dad on his own and only *maeve* gets anything done to homelander... who doesn't want to kill her, so he holds back even if she won't.

"i respect what you are even if you don't--."

got. damn...

but homie? he's the last lifeline, and he's tied to *both* sides of billy. and a people pleaser<3<3<3! who's also too dumb to get what's going on with billy, not that he'd care if he did... who's at the same time caught and curious by billy's obsession and the mirror between them<3

homie wants and knows how to please people... not just because he's been trained for it or a clear cut service top with dark~<3 elements<3<3<3 or because he wants the feeling he gets from their approval/admiration. very typical of a narcissist lmao, but also because of the added vulnerability that he is easily manipulated/exploited by the women in his life, not realizing he's a victim or being groomed/manipulated.

even the uh... *moment* he had with stillwell, she exploits his trauma and desire for a mother so directly that he just totally loses it and profusely appologizes. he's aware of how to *please* someone if ya get me~<3 ;))))))) (by the apology given at all) but he's *not* aware that she is abusing/exploiting his trauma in this way *because he lacks empathy for himself/has never genuinely had it given without some sort of exploitive exchange*, sort of opposite of billy in this sense too. poor dumb baby~<3!

what's really extra hilarious and ironic is that stormfront is pretty much what a lady billy would be but nowhere near as good as manipulating as him

but all homelander has ever known is the *examples* set before him by vought. and it's... quite obviously not a good one... :(((((((((((((((((( but he's *not* aware. billy is much the same, but he *is* aware. hence the deep buried cravings to be *free* vs. fucking approval ratings in homie, and *controlled* vs. lack of self control in billy... goddammit the fucking POETRY<3<3<3

so? it's just more of the same old same old. and homie loves, LOVES not having to hold back once he gets a taste for it... with *stormfront* no less... but *also* from billy in a different sense and now... beyond. still ADORE how he went flaccid on the nazi rhetoric lmao even this boi has his limits<3--

"let's light this candle--"

it's already fucking lit--

... you know full well how excited i get, lmao<3 and ya DID ask<3<3<3 XD

everyone else (to homelander): don't be what they made you... please for the love of fucking gawd, PLEASE--

billy: be what they fucking made you motherfucker, i wanna fuck FIGHT and see everything destroyed. i'll wait.

stormfront: be what we fucking made you, i wanna fuck and see everything not us destroyed. i won't wait.

but the short answer? i go by % of willem dafoe energy, the *CORRECT* answer is WILLEM DAFOE<3<3<3 (not to be confused with norman osborn... unless willem dafoe<3) DUH~!

WOOO-- goddamn... and i ain't even done yet. i spend WAY too much time obsessing over these fuckers, i SWEAR.

and ALSO the ladies~<3 are tops. all of them. ALL OF THEM. NO EXCEPTIONS-- lmao, KIDDING... maybe<3 (i might do another one going over mah lady~<3 ships<3<3<3 cause this got long... and i did get carried away with butchy and homie... of course i did. but you know how i love them<3<3<3)

#top and bottom #discourse #meta #billy butcher #homelander #butchlander #scogan #clex #stucky #superbat #stony #cherik #shipping #switching #character analysis #nose size #diamonds #willem dafoe #norman osborn #bratty bossy bottom billy butcher #the 5 essential b's #homelander's canonically huge dong #the correct answer<3 #lmao #psa

[forkaround]

Asian media is about people. Western media is about ideas.

#house of the dragon #kinnporsche #media analysis #western media #asian media #the devil judge #marvel #avengers #stony #stucky #arrow #the flash #legends of tomorrow #agents of shield #harley quinn #batwoman #beyond evil #the fame game #maja ma #game of thrones #stranger things #the witcher #the eclipse #not me #between us

[moonythejedi394]

me: *wants to post that 30+ page rhetorical analysis of disney queerbaiting stucky*

me: *also wants to keep my fandom and academic career separate and absolutely the fuck could not do that if i start posting my real essays to ao3*

#god the urge to do it is sO STRONG #I WORKED REALLY HARD ON THAT ESSAY #AND ONLY MY PROF AND MY LIL BROTHER SAW IT #my lil bro doesn't ship stucky but he does also write high quality essays about fandom shit in his spare time #imagine my ao3 subsribers getting an email one day and it's just me caving to my need to be academic #like nobody subs to me on ao3 to one day read 30 pages or more of rhetorical stucky analysis

[cas7espresso]

Queerbating- it’s history, the beauty and my thoughts

Introduction- my thoughts on Queerbaiting and Queercoding  

Let's talk about queerbaiting. Now Queerbaiting itself is a huge topic, so I will only focus on Queerbaiting in the film industry.The word queerbating comes from the word queer and bait first what does either of these  terms mean, Queer means not fitting traditional ideas about gender or sexuality, especially the idea that everyone is either male or female or that people should only have sexual relationships with the opposite sex while Baiting means:something that is said or offered to people in order to make them react in a particular way.  When combined Queerbaiting is seen as when a person or character is hinting that they are in a way queer . This is done mostly to attract queer audiences and since they lack much representation I would say queerbaiting  works most of the time.There are multiple examples of queerbating, one such example is Sherlock and  John from the 2010 BBC show Sherlock or Dean and Casitel from the 2005 show Supernatural.The second question asked would be ‘why would someone? The answer to this question is fairly simple to me. Homophobia. I personally would say that the reason writers result to queerbaiting instead of giving us an actual proper queer character is the fear of the conservative viewers disliking it.Thus, they write in a subtly queer character who would attract queer people while still allowing the show to not be considered homosexual just so that the age criteria of the show does not become too high  in order to attract a larger audience. Though, One might say it's the best of both worlds, but it really isn’t.

What started Queercoding in films?

When looking at the cause of Queerbaiting, one has to look at the “Hays Code” that old Hollywood had to abide by . From the early 1930s to the late 1960s, The Motion Picture Production Code or better known as the “Hays Code”, restricted what could or could not be shown in Cinema. Queer content was not allowed to be explicitly shown as it was against the rules that state: “ The sympathy of the audience should never been thrown to the side of crime, wrong-doing ,evil or sin”. Homosexuality obviously was seen as a sin in the 30s and sadly still is by some in the present day. Thankfully, this did not stop many filmmakers from still bringing up such topics in their works. This brings us to one of the founding fathers of cinema, the late Albert Hitchcock.

 Albert Hitchcock-  One of the most influential people in the history of cinema 

 Albert Hitchcock is known for his many film masterpieces such as Psycho , Vertigo , Strangers on a Train and my personal favourite Rope. Most of Hitchcock’s films, regardless of genre, have something in common- subtle queerness. Arguably two of Hitchcock’s favourite actors to use in his projects are John Dall and Farley Granger, who both were undeniably queer. Which only adds onto the queer subtext in his works. Through making these characters more feminine or creating strong sexual tension between male characters, we are  able to depict his characters as queer. Which was a bold move for someone in the 1960s. This method of adding in subtle queer characters is one of the many early example of queercoding in films.

What inspired the phrase?

 Many would say that the phrase “Queerbaiting'' dates back to the 1990s as a variant of the equally controversial phrase “race-baiting”. Which according to the Cambridge Dictionary is “The act of intentionally encouraging racism or anger about issues relating to race, often to get a political advantage”. Tumblr users in 2010 however have a different view. They say they were “baited” like fishes with bait on the hook. Like they were baited or tricked into thinking there was LGBTQIA+ representation in the show they were watching. Thus the term - Queerbaiting.

Back to the modern film industry.

 Now in many films we watch, Queerbaiting is still widely present. However, I would argue that the representation of LGBTQIA+ community has improved dramatically as there are more Queer Characters in mainstream cartoons. For example, in the Cartoon Network series, Adventure Time, after 10 whole seasons and 8 years of the show, the ship “Bubbline” (Princess Bubblegum and Marceline)was finally confirmed in 2018.There is also an increased number of LGBTQIA + people shown in mainstream media.Like the Netflix reality show, Queer Eye. Such representation is important as it shows queer questioning youths that they are valid regardless of their sexuality or gender identity. Although the situation is a lot better compared to the 1960s, there is still room for improvement. Many countries still have a ban against LGBTQIA + representation in mainstream media, one such country is here in Singapore.

 Shipping within the fandom

With the idea of Queerbaiting,"baiting"fans into watching the show. How do fans coping with their disappointment- shipping.  According to Wikipedia  the definition of shipping is:”the desire by followers of a fandom for two or more people, either real-life people or fictional characters to be in a romantic and/or sexual relationship. It is considered a general term for fans' involvement with the ongoing character development of two people's character arcs in a work of fiction.” Now there are multiple popular ships that are widely known, for example,“Stucky” or Captain America and his longtime best friend Sergeant Barnes from the Marvel Franchise. This of course happens with real people as well. One popular example is the ship “ Larry” which consists of Harry Styles and Louis Thomlinson from the band One Direction however the focus of this is on Film so we would not be going into that . Many fans would come up with a large amount of evidence from the shows or films to back up why their ship should have been canon. Fans could look into the smallest details like the way the characters' eyes react or the characters' subtle hand actions. I personally am guilty for taking part in  shipping as well. 

 Luca- the 2021 disney pixar film[ my favourite animated film]

To Serve as a summary,I want to dissect the film Luca . The Conversation has an article written by Kodi Maier on queerbaiting in animation and they mentioned the film Luca and brought up some valid points. That article is one of the many things that inspired the writing of this. Now this is personally one of my favourtie films of all time and although throughout the film there are little to no queer representation shown. It is to me one of the best examples of queerbaiting in film .Let me explain why I as a Queer person really enjoyed this film and why i think Queerbaiting was indeed present.  The film focuses on our two main characters Luca Purgo and Alberto Scarfano, throughout the film they share a very close relationship or what many might interpret as an achillean relationship. Luca can also be seen going through what many LGBTQIA +youths go through: the fear of being different and the fear of their parents finding out about that difference ; Luca finds out about the joy of going to the surface which is what started his relationship with Alberto however due to his parents or most sea monsters fear of the surface, Luca is forced to hide about his adventures and Alberto. Throughout the time Luca and Alberto spent on the surface they still have the fear of getting caught as sea monsters, it is only towards the end of the film when the small town accepts them do they finally feel comfortable in their own skin. The connection of Luca and Alberto’s fear and the fear LGBTQ people have to go or  went through is what I would say make this a fan favourite. Not to mention the director of the film Enrico Casarosa has said that he discussed the two main characters having a romantic relationship in the animated adventure. It is kind of disappointing that it was decided against , even in the film  the pair is split by an added character, a town girl ,Giulia once again following a hetero pattern. Despite everything, it is still a very good film I feel everyone should watch at least once.

#johnlock #luca 2021 #supernatural #stucky #steve x bucky #sherlock bbc #eassy #deep thoughts #gayessays #sherwin #queerbaiting #film analysis

[dashiellqvverty]

i literally like ofmd too is the thing. they just cannot win against stucky of all things

#also the fandom is annoying as hell and i want it to lose #i don’t even think ed and stede are that boring but compared to stucky they are #and i think the fandom MAKES them boring #this isn’t to say my problems begin and end with the fandom but #i think a fandom with more critical analysis skills would go a long way #instead of everyone who has any problem with the show dropping or shunning it completely #so the only (the majority and loudest voices at least) people who actually talk about it #are the ones who are like ‘well these things are fine actually and can be ignored completely or defended’ #instead of engaged with in a ‘yeah i like this show but let’s talk about it’ way #r.txt

[oatflatwhite]

the inherent homoeroticism of war media: a completely unserious presentation by me

[note: some slides have been removed because they're literally just fancams and also i had more than 30 slides boo tumblr image limits]

BIBLIOGRAPHY (just going in order of slides)

and your knees are driving me wild - mash s02e08

george mackay has found his niche in homoerotic war movies

war stories are inherently homoerotic. that's how we got stucky

hangman you look good - top gun: maverick (gif by babyrooster)

letter of recommendation: watching masters of the air secondhand

it's not just sports - masters of the air e02

1 being not gay at all, 10 being liberace in an f-16

we'll go to chicago - band of brothers e01 (gif by @fkmylif3)

it is the law that every piece of war media

kim is a homoseggsual - kath & kim s01e02

Untitled (You Construct Intricate Rituals) - Barbara Kruger

The Secret History of Australia's Gay Diggers - Ben Winsor (+ Paul Fussell quoted within)

Sexuality, Sexual Relations and Homosexuality - Jason Crouthamel

Soldiers bathing in Malaya - AWM

Private Frank Crocker letters featured in Sebastian Faulks and Hope Wolf, A Broken World: Letters, Diaries and Memories of the Great War (2014), pp. 75-78.

mike's mic screencap my beloved <3

winnix gifs by @bandofbrothers2001 @preacherboyd @galebucky

winnix art by @andromeddog

winnix art by @onefineginger

In storms and at sunset by jouissant

winnix memes/text posts: 1 (@bleedingcoffee42) 2 (@krakerjaksstuff) 3 (@claudycod) 4 (@lewis-winters) 5 (@mon-mothmas-collar)

man is a hopeless creature i don't like much of anyone (@sluttyhenley)

You Create Intricate Rituals: The Homoerotic Action Movie - Rebecca Radillo (Lyvie Scott featured)

val kilmer icemav warrior compliation by @mavernick2

t as in top gun: maverick (@misaothewitch)

which is gayer (@holypowell)

we're fools to make war by whimsicule

all my roads lead back to you by liadan14

m*a*s*h video by @amrv-5 (+ reblog tags)

clegan/buck(y) gifs by @4o4notf0und @rcbertleckie

clegan fanart by @ifapromise <3

clegan memes: 1 (@rcbertleckie) 2 (@season-two) 3 (@ww2yaoi) 4 & 5

bomber's moon by moonrocks

**i tried to tag/link everything, if anything is broken or unsourced please let me know and i will endeavour to fix it! standard disclaimer that a) any discussion about war media based on real life people is based upon the fictional portrayals of those people and not the actual dudes. and b) this powerpoint was made for fun, it is not rigorous academic analysis. all opinions expressed are my own. please do not take it too seriously! that's all <3

#hbo war #hbowaredit #band of brothers #bobedit #masters of the air #mota #motaedit #top gun #top gun maverick #mash #m*a*s*h #clegan #winnix #hangster #icemav #liz makes things #web weaving #maybe?? idk! #GOD OK BE FREE GO INTO THE WORLD <3 #edit i have since seen like 10 mash episodes but i'm not redoing this. #edit edit i just realised i have a citation for a mikes mic screencap that is not here bc its on a deleted slide oopsie

[googledocsdyke]

can anyone reread the stucky fics i wrote in 2014 for me and let me know if they present a sufficiently nuanced rigorous and critical analysis of american empire

#thanks in advance

[amarriageoftrueminds]

Latest #Blond Steve manip.

#steve rogers #blond steve #dat's me #my stucky manip #chris evans #nomad steebening #in honour of nonny asking about it/them 👆 #yet each man queues the thing he loves #*me obsessed with colour season analysis* it's crazy how much better those pastel-blues look on him when he's blond/lower contrast #summer #remember folks: REBLOG 🔁 / DON'T JUST LIKE 🤍

[cptn-merica]

thoughts on peggy carter

i think my biggest issue with peggy carter is marvel is trying to push agendas and pander to audiences as a cop out for formulating a dynamic character. it's obvious she's supposed to be a feminist icon. that's totally cool. i appreciated that as a kid, since i was sick of women being portrayed as weak. the way i see it, peggy suffers from weak portrayal, not portrayal that she's weak.

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before the peggy fans comment/reblog, "omg not another stucky blog posting peggy hate. leave her alone!!" i don't hate peggy, I just want a clearer picture of who she is. i enjoyed her in the mcu but i wish marvel would've given her justice within the writing. this isn't hate for hayley atwell either. she did really good in her acting, enough so i watched more movies with her in it intentionally.

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peggy always read to me as a half-developed side character -- no matter if she's the main character. my one of my biggest complaints is that she seems to have little to no motive. motive is what drives people and your main character having consistently unclear motives is sloppy writing.

helping steve? sure, she's his commanding officer and she seemed to like him.

"win the war"? well sure, that was a lot of other people's motives in ww2. why did she even join the war anyways? what convinced her to sign up? she didn't have to, she could've done other work. what was so compelling about the war to her?

for the what if episode: why'd she choose to take the super serum?

my point here is: there are too many points where one questions why she did ___ that could have been better defined (esp in the what if series).

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marvel can make her much more interesting (and to me appealing) character by not putting her in comparison to steve. they would be forced to solidify her character instead of wimping out and saying "well she's the love interest." I'm not saying that she can't have both a relationship and be a strong woman - many women have/are both. however, when your entire personality depends on your relationship to one person, it's not very healthy or wise.

the concept of marvel pushing for steve and peggy's relationship is fine, that's how romance novels are made. but the lax follow-through on character development removes my interest for the ship. how good romance novels bring interest to each character is by establishing them. they also used peggy as way to pander for chris evans himself - she was an easy way to get steve rogers out of upcoming plot lines. (side note: chris evans is totally justified in not wanting to work for marvel anymore, they just should've handled his character's ending less sloppily)

as for the ship - i would see more value in the steve x peggy ship if i could tell what type of person peggy is. especially when you take away steve. i see value and interest in steve and bucky because, even though bucky was made as a sidekick to steve, he has a strong character. would i want to see him even more fleshed out? yeah, ofc. would i say he's more fleshed out than peggy? yes, because in one movie you can tell who bucky is and why he's doing things. i see why people ship steve and peggy, and I see why people ship steve and bucky. both stances are valid.

i haven't seen it yet nor i do know if i will watch it due to personal time and budget constraints, but i hope that the agent carter series strengthens her character.

ultimately, peggy is the victim of poor and sexist writing.

(note:: this is my personal opinion & analysis, based on the first two cap movies and the what if series. im not speaking for anyone but myself. if you feel like her character is rich enough and you're satisfied by her portrayals, that's great, I just wanted to share my stance. again, i don't hate peggy, I just want a clearer picture of who she is and why she does what she does)

#text #my text #analysis #peggy carter #captain carter #steve rogers #captain america #captain america meta #fanfic meta #stevepeggy #steggy #steve x peggy #stucky

[ladyluscinia]

I know my last experience with a season ending on a note everyone hated and unanimously tore to fucking shreds for destroying the story on every level was... atypical. Lockdown. 6 month mass hysteria at minimum. Conspiracy theories that were, like, real things we had on camera. There was a Twitter wedding. Creative fervor that broke 100k fics on AO3.

Like. I know this is not a rational point of comparison and I'm not going to expect anything in my lifetime to match it 🤣

But.

If that was the highest high of post-season fandom engagement built on a cocktail of tasting everything you ever wanted AND the absolutely lethal levels of spite and swearing to eat showrunners' hearts in the marketplace, then whatever the fuck is going on after OFMD S2 is the opposite of that.

OFMD S1 was a huge fandom explosion. One silly little streaming show that had a gay kiss and then it skyrocketed. Fic numbers were soaring, high activity fic and meta engagement lasted for at least four months, it was constantly trending and flooding the dash... Like, fucking hell, over a year and a half after the immediate finale fervor it beat Stucky in the top ships bracket?!? To the point I was willing to give it what felt like due credit toward its potential as a future juggernaut ship. Not guaranteed, of course, but the potential was there.

In that context, new content should be a blow out party. Which it kinda was pulling off as it was airing, but looking back now? Not even quite a month later?

The effect of S2 on the fandom is like... a blip. Possibly over already.

New fic numbers started dropping off the moment the finale aired and have returned to deep hiatus levels. It's dropped off trending and streaming leaderboards... I'm very curious to see the first tumblr Week in Review since the finale, though we're still waiting due to the holiday.

Like, I've even popped on to scroll a few Izzy hater blogs that I know loved the finale out of morbid curiosity what they were up to, and I'm telling you... if I hadn't just watched the new season I'd think they were still over a year into hiatus. Saw some standard bitching about the izcourse / Edward takes (aka the one thing that kept them going all hiatus), they're currently passing around posts mocking one specific long OFMD version of TJLC I'm just hearing of, the same BTS gifsets everyone else is thrilled by... But barely any new meta or discussions. There's like 2 people posting actual analysis of S2 that's getting reblogged and they aren't even names I recognize from the hiatus. Nor is it particularly interesting to read. 🤷‍♀️

In July of 2022 I could pop onto a random OFMD blog and scroll through a dozen enthusiastic Stede or BlackBonnet metas about jacket colors or that moth from 1x07 or lighthouse symbolism or whatever. Now the new stuff has the same energy as posts from June 2023. It's borderline dead. And this is what it's like when there's an active campaign to engage fandom and Renew as a Crew?

(I will say fanartists are bringing some energy and there's some lovely pieces being passed around, which I do think the Renew as a Crew campaign is helping to boost?)

Even the hundreds of people saying it was a beautiful season and they loved it so much don't seem to be finding it a very engaging or inspiring season.

It's such a turn, like, what the fuck.

#our flag means death #ofmd s2 #ofmd critical #fandom culture #i was counting on this season to still having me engaged in analysis come *january* and THAT'S not going to pan out obviously #but what the fuck #i'm turning over stones like 'surely the excited fandom is hiding here' and then it's 3 bugs with an anti-izzy pamphlet #like if people weren't trying to process their dislike of the finale then half this fandom's new content wouldn't exist #and that's not promising for the long run 👀👀👀 #ladyluscinia