#sybell westerling

[alaynasansa]

Robb -> Sleeping Beauty

Jeyne -> the Prince

Sybell Westerling -> The evil step-mom

Walder Frey -> The vindicative old fairy

Edmure Tully -> The seventh fairy

Humiliated by his King, Walder 'Old fairy' Frey curses 16 yo Robb 'Sleeping Beauty' Stark, Edmure 'Seventh fairy' Tully tries to fix the situation, Sybelle 'evil step-mom' Westerling tries to kill Robb's family

Cat and Robb's storyline is Sleeping Beauty-coded (the og fairy tale)

#robb stark #jeyne westerling #sybell westerling #walder frey #edmure tully #sleeping beauty #fandom crossover #narrative parallels #asoiaf x sleeping beauty #fairy tales

[alleyskywalker]

I think about the Westerlings a lot. Because, man, there’s another family that gets thrown under the bus by the fandom in the name of Stark stanning.

#sybell spicer #jeyne westerling #Raynald Westerling #Eleyna Westerling #Gawen Westerling #Rolph Spicer #house westerling #house spicer #asoiaf #op

[agentrouka-blog]

"Meereen has no need of saffron, cloves, or zorse hides."- Dany(ASOS VI). "Saffron was worth more than gold."- Davos(ADWD I). "I took her to the captain my own self,' this steward swore to me, 'but he wasn't having none of that. There's more profit in cloves and saffron, he tells me, and spices won't set fire to your sails."-Davos(ADWD II). So Dany think Meereen had no need for saffron which is considered worth more than gold. There is also mention of Saffron by Harry whose father consider gold.

You left out the significant part in this sequence.

"In Astapor the city took a tenth part of the price, each time a slave changed hands," Missandei told her. "We'll do the same," Dany decided. Wars were won with gold as much as swords. "A tenth part. In gold or silver coin, or ivory. Meereen has no need of saffron, cloves, or zorse hides." (ASOS, Daenerys VI)

This money isn't actually being collected for Meereen. It’s collected for war. Dany’s upcoming wars of conquest in Westeros. This is before Dany’s decision to actually stay in Meereen. Dany’s not interested in creating wealth through trade, at that point, she wants some quick cash. 

But it is interesting how this plays into how trade and wealth and peace is juxtaposed with the nobility and war. 

Spice trade especially is associated with wealth.

"Saffron?" Alayne tried not to laugh. "Truly?"

Ser Harrold had the grace to blush. "Her father says she is more precious to him than gold. He's rich, the richest man in Gulltown. A fortune in spices."  (TWOW, Alayne)

Given TWO fertile Gulltown girls now, it’s associated with fertility, as well as prosperity. Fertility, wealth and peace.

The second Lady Corbray was sixteen, the daughter of a wealthy Gulltown merchant, but she had come with an immense dowry, and men said she was a tall, strapping, healthy girl, with big breasts and good, wide hips. And fertile too, it seems. (TWOW Alayne)

But marriages such as these are frowned upon by the old guard in power. Trade is looked down on in spite of its associated wealth. Spice trade is ever so subtly placed in an antagonistic position to those in power, especially through the link to Cersei’s “Maggy the Frog”, and through Sybell who managed to play and betray Robb Stark and deprive him of an heir. (Let’s remember he attacked her castle.)

Lady Sybell's grandfather was a trader in saffron and pepper, almost as lowborn as that smuggler Stannis keeps. And the grandmother was some woman he'd brought back from the east. A frightening old crone, supposed to be a priestess. Maegi, they called her. (...) Having once married a whore, Tyrion could not entirely share his uncle's horror at the thought of wedding a girl whose great grandfather sold cloves.  (ASOS, Tyrion III)

The Spicers are present again at the negotiation at Riverrun, and Sybell tries to make good on her “deal” with Tywin - which Jaime promptly disappoints. 

"Your lord father promised me worthy marriages for Jeyne and her younger sister. Lords or heirs, he swore to me, not younger sons nor household knights."

Lords or heirs. To be sure. The Westerlings were an old House, and proud, but Lady Sybell herself had been born a Spicer, from a line of upjumped merchants. Her grandmother had been some sort of half-mad witch woman from the east, he seemed to recall. And the Westerlings were impoverished. Younger sons would have been the best that Sybell Spicer's daughters could have hoped for in the ordinary course of events, but a nice fat pot of Lannister gold would make even a dead rebel's widow look attractive to some lord. (...) 

"His natural daughter?" Lady Sybell looked as if she had swallowed a lemon. "You want a Westerling to wed a bastard?"

"No more than I want Joy to marry the son of some scheming turncloak bitch. She deserves better." (AFFC, Jaime VII)

Narratively, it’s her dishonorable behavior toward her own daughter and her own classism that make her unsympathetic. But her deal with the nobility, considering Tywin would have destroyed her whole House the same way they did the Reynes, in retaliation? 

She tried to be a merchant, and Lannister gold will buy the daughters some lords. The Westerlings weren’t worthy of that as descendents of an “upjumped merchant”, and now they aren’t worthy once more. When Sybell made a deal with Tywin Lannister, "old House” Westerling became unworthy of even a lowborn bastard girl. Even to Jaime Lannister, kingslayer and enemy to House Stark. 

While Lancel Lannister wed a Frey to get at her Darry inheritance. The classist hypocrisy.

Given those constellations, Dany’s “rejection” of saffron no longer seems surprising. Dany chose to stay in Meereen, chose to make the things she had not needed before a priority. Food, trade and peace become primary concerns for Dany. She marries into a group she loathes. 

She makes deals. She compromises. She hates it.

In spite of her hard won successes, imperfect though they may be, she is dissatisfied:

Wine flowed—not the thin pale stuff of Slaver's Bay but rich sweet vintages from the Arbor and dreamwine from Qarth, flavored with strange spices. The Yunkai'i had come at King Hizdahr's invitation, to sign the peace and witness the rebirth of Meereen's far-famed fighting pits. Her noble husband had opened the Great Pyramid to fete them. 

(...) The air was redolent with the scents of saffron, cinnamon, cloves, pepper, and other costly spices.

Dany scarce touched a bite. This is peace, she told herself. This is what I wanted, what I worked for, this is why I married Hizdahr. So why does it taste so much like defeat? (ADWD, Danerys VIII)

Dany doesn’t like how her achievements don’t allign with her desires, she resents the fact that she had to give as well as receive. 

Dany would prefer to go without the riches of saffron, if it could free her from the unpleasant reality of bargaining.

For a quick contrast, Jon can’t even dream of spices, but trade and food concern him, as well as peace. 

"And this food will be paid for … how, if I may ask?" 

 With gold, from the Iron Bank of Braavos, Jon might have replied. Instead he said, "I have agreed that the free folk may keep their furs and pelts. They will need those for warmth when winter comes. All other wealth they must surrender. Gold and silver, amber, gemstones, carvings, anything of value. We will ship it all across the narrow sea to be sold in the Free Cities."

"All the wealth o' the wildlings," said The Norrey. "That should buy you a bushel o' barleycorn. Two bushels, might be." (ADWD, Jon XI)

That gold from the iron bank reveals Jon’s own merchant side:

What was it Stannis had said to him? You haggle like a crone with a codfish, Lord Snow. Did Lord Eddard father you on a fishwife? Perhaps he had at that.  

It took the better part of an hour before the impossible became possible, and another hour before they could agree on terms. The flagon of mulled wine that Satin delivered helped them settle the more nettlesome points. By the time Jon Snow signed the parchment the Braavosi drew up, both of them were half-drunk and quite unhappy. Jon thought that a good sign.  (ADWD, Jon IX)

And he repeats this interesting phrase:

"A fair bargain leaves both sides unhappy, I've heard it said. Three days?" (ADWD, Jon XI)

This time it’s about the peace deal that allows the wildlings to cross the Wall and live. And eat the food Jon borrows that money to buy.

Something tells me, Jon likes the taste of saffron. 

#anti daenerys targaryen #trade #slavery #saffron #peace #war #negotiations #classism #house westerling #sybell spicer #jon snow

[houseofpendragons]

"Jeyne Westerling is her mother's daughter, and Robb Stark is his father's son."

#asoaif #A song of ice and fire #jeyne westerling #new jeyne westerling #robb stark #Sybelle Spicer #eddard stark #game of thrones

[ixar-of-the-bargains]

Honestly though Sybell Spicer is up there as one of the shittiest parents in Westeros, quite possibly beaten by (Show) Stannis, Tywin, and Sam's dad purely because they're just abominably fucked up to a degree normal people (even in Westeros) aren't.

#sybell spicer #asoiaf #jeyne westerling

[rosaluxembae]

I don't like Sybell Spicer. I don't think she's neat.

#asoiaf #affc #Sybell Spicer #does this count as a brick joke? #jeyne westerling

[redrikki]

In both the books and the show, Robb breaks his betrothal with a Frey girl to marry a bride of his choice with disastrous consequences. The brides, though, are very different women in very different circumstances. Those differences change our understanding of Robb’s character and storyline, and also play into both stories’ overall themes in very different ways.

In the books, Robb marries Jeyne Westerling, the oldest daughter of Gawen and Sybell Westerling. She’s gentle, sweet, and eager to please with a good heart and better hips. She’s pretty, but not beautiful. She’s not politically important or particularly accomplished. In short, she’s just some girl, loved by those who love her, but no one special.

They meet when Robb took her castle, killing at least one member of her household. He was wounded and she nursed him in her own bed. When he received the news his own castle had been conquered and his brothers were dead, she “comforted” him with sex. The next morning, he married her, feeling it was the only honorable thing to do after deflowering his maiden captive and possibly impregnating her. All of this happens “off screen” and is recounted to us after the fact by Robb as he tries to justify his behavior to his mom. His decision to marry her not only destroys his alliance with the Freys, it also places his new in-laws in grave danger from their former lord. The entirety of their courtship, from meeting to marriage takes place in less than a month.

In the show, Robb marries Talisa Maegyr, a foreigner from Volantis and she’s not like other girls. She’s a trained healer following Robb’s army and caring for soldiers on both sides. She’s plucky, witty, competent, compassionate, and independent. After a slave saved her brother’s life when she was twelve, she decided to never live in a slave state and to not waste her life on the activities of typical noblewomen. 

They meet when Robb helps her as she amputates an enemy soldier’s foot. Afterward, she gives him a lecture about how his war is dumb. We watch their courtship play out over several episodes as they get to know each other and fall in love. We see as Catelyn reminds Robb of his existing obligations. He and Talisa repeatedly discuss his betrothal. Their initial sex scene takes place during a less emotionally charged moment. Robb doesn’t marry her immediately the next day. He discusses finding love in arranged marriages with his mom before ultimately deciding to marry Talisa in secret later that night. The exact timeline is unclear, but their courtship seems to take place over the course of several months.

The Robbs who marry these two women are very different people. Jeyne’s Robb is an impulsive, yet well-meaning teenager who did something dumb under intense stress and then made everything worse in an attempt to fix things. He has sex because he loves her and needs comfort, but he marries her because it’s the only honorable thing to do. This is consistent with his earlier characterization. He calls the banners in anger upon learning about his father’s arrest and then keeps doubling down on war in the hopes of a solution. He’s shown to be a lot like Catelyn with her tendency to make impulsive decisions (kidnapping Tyrion, freeing Jaime) and like Ned with his insistence on doing the right thing even if it’s not politically expedient. 

The Robb who marries Talisa is a fundamentally less honorable and more selfish person. He knows it’s his duty to marry the Frey girl. He’s reminded of it and discusses it more than once. Despite this, he repeatedly seeks Talisa out. Their pre-sex conversation isn’t “comfort,” it’s all about how neither of them want him to marry his betrothed. He marries Talisa because she matters to him more than his oaths. He’s the king and he does what he wants. That he marries her initially in secret makes him seem dishonorable in addition to selfish.

Fundamentally, I think Jeyne is a more interesting character in the way that her circumstances play into some of the wider themes of the narrative. For example, the fact she starts out as Robb’s captive plays into the existing themes of captivity and consent seen with Sansa, Jeyne Poole, and Theon Greyjoy. The fact we don’t ever get Jeyne’s side of their courtship fascinates me. She clearly loves him by the end, but when did that start? Did she enthusiastically consent to sex, or just not say no to the king in her bed with an army outside her door? Did she even want to marry him? She said “I do” or the Westerosi equivalent, but so did Jeyne Poole and Sansa. Is coerced consent real consent? Is Robb even aware that it’s potentially even an issue? Everyone else in Westeros seems to think it’s a given that people are loyal and obedient to their captors, or at least should be.

The Westerling family as a whole, especially in terms of Lady Sybell, play into existing themes of trust and conflicting loyalties. Robb is repeatedly screwed over by people he assumed he could trust based on the assumption he holds their primary loyalty. Lysa, Theon, Catelyn, Karstark, Bolton, and Frey all knowingly betray him for their own ends, while Edmure inadvertently does. Everyone has their own agenda. Robb consistently fails to look for it and consistently pays the price. That his mother-in-law is also doing it is par for the course. The fact Sybell also betrays and alienates her daughter and inadvertently causes her oldest son’s death in the name of saving her family makes her a fun parallel to Catelyn.

Jeyne and her just-some-girlness also plays into the recurring theme that everyone matters. She doesn’t have to be a great beauty or politically important to shape history. Her honor as an enemy captive matters just as much to Robb as anyone else’s. By contrast, the fact that Talisa has to be a Cool Girl medical badass following armies to perform meatball surgery while sassing a king and denigrating conventional femininity in order to be seen as a worthy love interest certainly fits the show’s existing themes of how it treats female characters.

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#a song of ice and fire #game of thrones #robb stark #jeyne westerling #talisa maegyr #meta

[atopvisenyashill]

listen whereas i would be devastated if jeyne westerling shows up again only to die, if a prologue or epilogue is from sybell spicer or willas tyrell’s pov and they die, i will be really excited and you will hear my scream echoing across lake michigan

#LIKE #IT WIULD BE FUN #getting on my soap box

[jedimaesteryoda]

"House Westerling has its pardon, and your brother Rolph has been made Lord of Castamere. -AFFC, Jaime VII

It seems Sybell Westerling made sure to get as big a piece of the pie for her family as she could. She didn't just stop at her own children, getting marriages to heirs for her daughters and an apparent good match for her son, but she also made sure her own house, the Spicers, were taken care of by having her brother Rolph Spicer made Lord of Castamere. Castamere was a rich plum which the family that once occupied it the resources to be the second most powerful family in the Westerlands.

The just takes into account what happened to the previous Lords of Castamere.

"The Crag is not so far from Tarbeck Hall and Castamere," Tyrion pointed out. "You'd think the Westerlings might have ridden past and seen the lesson there." -ASOS, Tyrion III

The Reynes had once allied with House Tarbeck with Ellyn Tarbeck having once briefly ruled the Rock and showered the Reynes with offices, honors and lands. They rebelled against House Lannister to displace them as Lords Paramount of the Westerlands, but their ambition ultimately proved to be their undoing.

Tywin sealed the entrances to the mines that made up 90% of the castle, and then diverted a nearby stream into the mines, drowning all those below. Their name has been often punned with "rain," and so in a bit of tragic irony, the Reynes died by water.

Eventually, Tywin's son who was much his image, Tyrion, will come back to the westerlands to claim Casterly Rock from his sister Cersei who is much the hot-tempered, ambitious woman Ellyn Tarbeck was. House Spicer also owes its place to the Lannister regime in King's Landing, and that means if King's Landing falls, so do they as they were complicit in the Red Wedding.

Much of the castle including the mines that gave Castamere much of its wealth are flooded, and what remains above is in ruins. While Rolph may not have to worry about being flooded out, the keep above has its own vulnerability.

Tyrion won't be coming alone, he will be bringing a queen with three dragons. Spice often has been associated with heat, making dishes hot and many come from the east. In a fate just as ironic as the previous Lords of Castamere, House Spicer dies by fire, specifically dragonfire brought from the east.

#asoiaf #house westerling #westerlands #rains of castamere #tywin lannister #tyrion lannister #daenerys targaryen #dragons

[melrosing]

Do you think its fair to say Jaime was complicit/responsible in Tywin's war crimes (Raynes of Castamere, sack of Kings Landing, Riverrun) because he kept staying by his side while he was alive, and didnt revolt against him? (ftr this question doesnt steam from any fandom fight, at least not recent, and not on tumblr if you're worried)

I think this is an interesting question, but reaching the answer always feels weirdly mathematical, leaving out the human element of 'what would you do if you were Jaime'. To me that's the more interesting question, and I think it's the one ASOIAF more often poses.

Like Jaime genuinely can't help who his dad is: the Reynes of Castamere happened before he was born and Tywin ascended to his seat as Lord of the Rock when Jaime was like... one, so he's basically been born into war crimes. It doesn't matter if he likes his dad and what he does (and plainly he doesn't) - this is just a grim reality that's out of his control. He doesn't like that his father employed the bloody mummers, or Gregor Clegane, or what happened to Elia, Rhaenys and Aegon... but what can he do, his dad's this godlike being, the most powerful man in the country (even if Robert nominally is), and that is the way Tywin has chosen to do things.

And if he were to revolt... well, I think Jaime is disillusioned by the alternatives: the KG were corrupt, Robert's corrupt, Aerys was Aerys - so whatever, he's a Lannister and so he's Tywin's team, it is what it is. That seems like a pretty real resignation to me - someone whose ideals were crushed at a young age just strips things back to their bare bones and decides he's on his family's side if he's on anyone's, so fuck the rest.

But obviously in ASOS Jaime's forced to confront exactly what Tywin's legacy meant for Westeros and what it has meant for his family, and that instills more conflict in him over his complicity. So following Tywin's death, again, there's the fact that he hates the allies Tywin's made them (the Freys, Sybell Westerling, etc) and admires the Starks' allies (the Tullys, the Blackwoods, Jeyne Westerling, etc) and wants peace and order and crops for the smallfolk... but the fact remains that if he wants to protect his family, he has to uphold Tywin's legacy - because that is the fragile foundation of their security.

If he doesn't preserve this, his children, sister and extended family have about five minutes left on this earth. He can say he wants peace and amends but men like Brynden Tully fundamentally do not believe him capable of it, so in AFFC we see Jaime regularly struggling with doing what he has to do in the way he'd prefer to do it whilst convincing everyone else it's Tywin's way of doing things, because that's the bluff that's holding all this together (until it isn't).

Because it fundamentally doesn't come down to whether Jaime is or even wants to be complicit or not, it comes down to what will happen if he's not. And now that he's pulled away from the Lannisters to run off into the woods on a zombie adventure with Brienne... what is going to happen to his children. What is going to happen to Cers. What, most imminently, is going to happen to Genna and Daven lol. The answer is nothing good, because they were only safe as long as Tywin's campaign of fear lived on, and it died with him. Unfortunately Jaime was born at the start of that campaign of fear and so born into complicity, with everything he loves as a stake in that. and IMO this is so much more interesting than just pointing at the various stages in the narrative where he could've gone 'fuck you dad it's your dream not mine'

#ask #jaime lannister #asoiaf #also thank you for letting me know this is not drama sourced lol #good to know I won't be getting any visits from that random ass blogger again

[redwolf17]

so i might be way off but my guess is that robb's idealisation of his late wife (which like you said, is kinda understandable) has extended to the westerlings and like margaery contrasts sharply with his view of the tyrells.

which makes so so so much painful sense. from his pov, the westerlings risked everything allying with him, they were a once powerful house that had lost a lot of power/prestige whereas the tyrells were the complete opposite but only chose to ally with him once cersei fully revealed her claws and was going to kill him. furthermore he also got on well with rollam and raynald whereas loras left pretty quickly after robb's wedding to margaery.

that's why i do think sybell's schemes will eventually come to light. i don't want robb to go through more trauma and he doesn't need to doubt jeyne's love for him (otherwise if she'd known why go with him to edmure's wedding?) but on the other hand i do think it's necessary. that being said i trust your writing/plotting skills so I'll respect whatever direction you deem best :)

I appreciate the trust! And your theories are very thoughtful.

Tbh, given how sprawling Part IV of TWQ is, the Westerlings kind of fell off my radar 😬 at this point, I don’t think I’ll have time to address them in Part V either.

But that could be a good basis/plot point if I end up doing a Robb POV oneshot later, which I had been considering…

#the weirwood queen #always enjoy a good ask #Robb stark #jeyne westerling

[goodqueenaly]

Hi again! I hope this isn’t too weird of a question, because obviously Taena and Orton Merryweather’s son is really young, but looking in the future do you think his partial Essosi heritage would heavily affect marriage prospects, because of Westerosi bigotry? Or would his (presumably) being the heir to Longtable be enough for some other noble houses to look past their xenophobia? I noticed that Taena seems to take effort to emphasize that she follows the Seven and that her son does too and

(Part 2, my apologies for two parted question!!) how Taena mentions that Russell knows all the Seven and that he’s interested in swords, I’m not sure if I’m misinterpreting but I took this as Taena trying to emphasize that Russell has been raised to be culturally Westerosi, so that he might be viewed less as an other by fellow nobles. Sorry for such a long and poorly worded question! Thank you!

Good question. That there is - or at least can be - Westerosi xenophobia against Essosi individuals, or even Westerosi natives with (recent) Essosi ancestry, is certainly true. Indeed, Taena herself has not been exempt from such othering based on her Myrish background: both Cersei and Sansa associate Taena's foreign birth with exoticism (and eroticism), with Sansa referring to Taena as a "sultry black-eyed Myrish beauty" who "spun so provocatively that every man in the hall was soon watching her" during her own wedding and Cersei, for example, assuming "[y]ou are all whores in the Free Cities, aren't you" when Taena discusses her sexual history (and this of course barely scratches the surface of Cersei's views on Taena being influenced by Westerosi xenophobia). That this prejudice can extend to the children of such marriages, and their own potential spouses, is likewise true, as we see with the Westerlings: despite Jeyne and her siblings having unquestionably Westerosi blue blood on their father's side, Kevan Lannister refused a marriage between Jeyne and one of his twins on the grounds of the "doubtful blood" inherited from their mother, Sybell Spicer, herself the granddaughter of an Essosi woman. (It will be interesting to see, as I have speculated, whether doubts about Larra Rogare's Essosi origins, already the source of tension as related in Fire and Blood Volume 1, will motivate Prince Viserys Targaryen to marry his Aegon to Naerys to reaffirm their Targaryen-ness via an incestuous union.)

So it is possible, I think, that young Russell Merryweather would be subject to xenophobia-related prejudices regarding his future marriage options. Whether he currently experiences any such xenophobia is impossible to say, given that we have never met him or experienced anything of his life at Longtable/the Reach (nor has anyone besides Taena even mentioned her son's existence). Likewise, given our lack of insight into House Merryweather as a family and dynastic power in the Reach, it is similarly impossible to say whether the promise of his lordship would sway otherwise (potentially) prejudiced aristocrats into marriage with him; while the geopolitical situation of Longtable appears potentially advantageous (given the confluence of two rivers there, with all the potential related access to riverrine trade and travel), we have no insight into House Merryweather's strength, wealth, or power. (Indeed, we can't even say how old House Merryweather is - after all, the Merryweathers do not appear in Westerosi history until the reign of Maeor the Cruel.)

Of course, all of this is without guessing what might happen to Russell Merryweather more immediately in the story (considering Russell, at six, is still at least a decade if not more from even the younger side of typical Westerosi (male) aristocratic marriage). Befitting their surname as fairweather friends of Cersei, Taena and Orton have as of the end of AFFC fled the capital - but that move may not guarantee their or their son's safety, given the apocalyptic ambitions of Euron in Oldtown and the raids of ironmen up the Mander (which is to say, perhaps even as far as Longtable) as well as any potential future troop movements in the area (if, say, the new King Aegon VI were to dispatch his likely ally Randyll Tarly to Highgarden to force the Tyrells to surrender to him) ... oh, and you know, the coming invasion of the Others (which I don't think will get as far south as Longtable, but may nevertheless negatively affect southern seats). Russell Merryweather may not even survive another decade to be the subject of Westerosi aristocratic xenophobia regarding his marriage, and if he does, he may find himself becoming an adult in a world massively shaken up, supernaturally and politically, from that of his boyhood - which is to say, one where the old rules of aristocratic Westerosi marriage may no longer be entirely relevant.

#asoiaf meta #russell merryweather #taena merryweather #house merryweather #marriage making

[agentrouka-blog]

What do you think is in store for Jeyne Westerling's future?

I am not sure.

Last time we saw her, she and the rest of her family were travelling west with Jaime's 400-men escort to get Edmure Tully to Casterly Rock. So they remain connected to the Riverlands storyline for now, where Brienne is now set to connect Jaime to Lady Stoneheart. Perhaps the two storylines will reconnect, since Jaime alone has the power to stop that escort from continuing toward its destination without undue bloodshed. We don't hear about Edmure making it to Casterly Rock (which he really should have been by the ADWD Epilogue, come to think of it!) so I have a suspicion that the collision of Lady Stoneheart and Jaime is going to involve the erstwhile captive head of House Tully and the attendant Westerlings, as well.

Jeyne has made her stance toward what happened more than clear, and I don’t remotely believe her to be in danger from Catelyn. The same goes not for her mother. 

There would be a kind of poetry to seeing Lady Stoneheart confront Sybell Spicer over what is essentially just Sybell doing what Catelyn did: try and make sure her family survives. The Red Wedding was neither her plan nor known to her before, and she likely lost her own son Raynald in the chaos. Cat could work up some sympathy for Cersei over the same thing. But she is no longer Catelyn.

I've ruminated a bit about Sybell here and adjacently here. She's an extremely grey figure, an abusive mother but also a wrongly maligned survivor in a deeply classist and oppressive system. Jaime’s condemnation of her is screamingly hypocritical. 

That said, what role could a person like Jeyne play in such a scenario if not to plead for mercy, to be the queen she never got the chance to be, and to call for an end to the violence? She hates her mother, she has no reason to forgive her, but would she be pleased with the kinds of cruelty that her former mother-in-law is perpetrating in the Riverlands? Hardly.

In the role of a negotiator/voice of reason, she could actually be a parallel to what is very likely going to be Sansa’s storyline and a foil to Dany.

A hostile group of fighters associated with her former husband approaches with ill intent, and it is up to the widow/”widow” to negotiate, with an uncertain outcome. In two cases, magical older widow(s) may play a role. (Dosh Khaleen and Lady Stoneheart.) Will the result be less or more violence down the line?

Jeyne and the now vicious Brotherhood with Lady Stoneheart are unlikely to come to a lasting resolution to their vigilantism for vengeance, since that is likely to be Arya’s role in the story. But it would pose an opportunity to establish Jeyne as a character of integrity and bravery, no matter the outcome, which could lead to different opportunities for her in the aftermath. Should anything befall Gawen and Rollam (and Raynald not reappear from probable death), she may go on to lead House Westerling even.

#jeyne westerling #twow speculation #lady stoneheart #sybell spicer #parallels

[houseofpendragons]

Robb Stark & Jeyne Westerling

Sybelle: She would not give up the little crown the rebel gave her, and when I tried to take it from her the willful child fought me.

Jeyne: It was mine. You had no right. Robb had it made for me. I loved him.

—Sybell Spicer and Jeyne Westerling to Jaime Lannister

#New jeyne westerling #Robb stark #Jeyne westerling #King in the North #Queen in the North #Asoiaf #Game of thrones #Queen charlotte

[isefyres]

𝕻𝖗𝖊𝖘𝖊𝖓𝖙𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖒𝖚𝖘𝖊𝖘;

Lady Samantha Tarly. known as Lady Sam, was a member of House Tarly who wed first Lord Ormund Hightower and later his son, Lord Lyonel Hightower. She was the founder of the Bank of Oldtown. Lord Lyonel initially reacted angrily to the Sea Snake's offer, but Samantha allegedly persuaded her step-son to agree to the Corlys's terms by allowing Lyonel to seduce her and promising to marry him if he made peace. Dance Era. Canon.

Lady Liane Vance. is a noblewoman of House Vance of Wayfarer's Rest. She is the eldest daughter of the heir of Wayfarer's Rest, Ser Karyl Vance. Liane's grandfather, Lord Vance, dies at the battle below the Golden Tooth. As the new heir of the House, Liane searches for alliances against the Westerland forces. Song Era. Semi Canon.

Lady Isis Dalt. Isis is the brother of both the current Lord of Lemonwood and Andrey Dalt, his heir. Isis is a dedicated dancer and has created hier own company of dance to entertain at Sunspear to the emboys as well during parties. Isis unlike many Dornish women, claims to still be a maiden. Song Era. OC.

Lord Andrey Dalt. called Drey by his friends, is a knight of House Dalt. He is the brother and heir of Ser Deziel Dalt, the Knight of Lemonwood. Andrey has been a close friend of Princess Arianne Martell, daughter of Doran, Prince of Dorne, since childhood. Andrey is part of Princess Arianne Martell's conspiracy aiming to crown Princess Myrcella Baratheon as Queen of the Seven Kingdoms. Song Era, Canon.

Lady Dalia Vaith. Only daughter of Lord Daeron Vaith, the Lord of the Red Dunes, she is the current heir to the Dunes. Close to House Allyrion, Dalia's father wants to marry her to one of the Allyrion sons to join the ehouses and create a stronghold. Lady Dalia does not like the idea and spends her days flirting with other men. Her first kiss as she claims, ws with the much older Oberyn Martell as a birthday request. Song Era OC.

Lord Tremond Gargalen. is the Lord of Salt Shore and the head of House Gargalen. Lord Tremond is among the Dornish nobles who accompany Prince Oberyn Martell to King's Landing for the wedding of Joffrey I Baratheon. With no living heirs as they died during the Rebellion, Tremond travels to King's Landing to get his niece Elinor Tyrell to become his new heir apparent causing trouble among House Tyrell.

Ser Hallis Mollen. called Hal, is a member of the household guard of Lord Eddard Stark at Winterfell. During the battle in the Whispering Wood, Hallis personally commands the guards protecting Catelyn, after asking for the honor. He travels North now through side walks with the remains of Ned Stark bones and whatever remains of his belongings, he goes to pledge himself to Jon Snow. Song Era. Canon.

Lord Erren Florent. is knight of House Florent, the son of Ser Ryam Florent and brother to Selyse and Imry. Erren is brother-in-law to Stannis Baratheon. After the death of Renly Baratheon beneath Storm's End, Ser Erren and Ser Parmen Crane were sent by Stannis Baratheon to Bitterbridge to retrieve the better part of Renly's army, made up of foot soldiers. Ser Erren and Ser Parmen were captured by the Tyrells at Bitterbridge. He remains captured in Highgarden. Song Era. Canon.

Raynald Westerling is a knight from House Westerling, the eldest son and heir of Lord Gawen Westerling and Lady Sybell Spicer. Raynald is part of the entourage of Robb Stark, King in the North, when he returns to Riverrun from the westerlands, having married Raynald's sister, Jeyne. Raynald grew close to Robb and regarded him as a brother. Raynald tried to free Grey Wind during the Red Wedding, Raynald's body was not identified among the thousand corpses afterward, but his trail of blood led to the river's steps. Song Era. Canon.

Queen Doweger Jeyne Westerling. is the eldest daughter of Lord Gawen Westerling and Lady Sybell Spicer. During the westerlands expedition of Robb, now the King in the North, his army storms the Crag, the ancestral keep of House Westerling. Since Robb is wounded by an arrow, Jeyne's mother, Sybell, and uncle, Ser Rolph Spicer, encourage the girl to nurse the Young Wolf. Comforting the young man, the two have a night together and marry due to her honor. Jeyne was unaware of her mother's complot to kill Robb but was aware of her giving her moontea, due to stop drinking it, Jeyne is now pregnant. Song Era. Canon.

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[loksthegreat]

In part 4 of introducing the ladies of Westeros I present to you: Lady Johanna Coldwater, who is married to the brother of Jessamyn Connington, and her little daughter Sybelle, as well as the Lady Amanda Mormont, mother of lady Margaret and Gilliane Connington and lastly Lady Belena Westerling the mother of Alyce Connington and therefore goodsister of Lady Amanda! (Spoilers: in the next part you’ll get to meet Johanna’s younger sister Lady Kirsta Arryn, the heiress of the Eyrie!)

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