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makerofrunevests · 5 months

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Sif in Thor 1 adamant that she’ll die a warrior’s death and stories will be told of this day 🤝 Odin in TDW declaring “We will fight! Until the last Asgardian breath, the last drop of Asgardian blood”🤝 the Asgardian prayer in Ragnarok: “Nor shall we mourn but rejoice for those that have died the glorious death”🤝 Sylvie in S2Ep6 answering Loki’s question “But what good is free will if everyone's dead?” with “And who are you to say we can't die trying? Who are you to decide we can't die fighting?

She might like living peacefully and working at MacDonald’s, but Sylvie sure is Asgardian when push comes to shove. The option she urges Loki to choose—let the multiversal war begin and all go out fighting (and while I no longer think she was in love with him, I do think she likely wanted the two of them to fight to the death side by side)—is absolutely in line with the Asgardian mindset.

#loki spoilers #loki #Sylvie #Sylvie meta

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mareebird · 2 years

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Since there's been some talk about costuming lately, I have another meta that's been clanking around in my empty head, kinda related to the one I wrote before Loki's Tablecloth.

It's about Sylvie's costume.

One of Loki's major arcs—if not the entire point of the show—was breaking free of the confines of his "role" in his timeline.

What makes a Loki a Loki? Every character has a take. Most amount to the idea that Loki's just can't help themselves, that they are stuck, both by outside forces and by what's perceived as their inherent personality flaws.

But Loki's Asgardian garb gets burned away upon arrival. He's given a drab TVA Uniform. [And I'm going to shelve the idea that the TVA uniform is a symbol of fascism being forced upon Loki, because it's not relevant and I don't really agree with it because the outcome doesn't match the claim. But yes, Kang is fascist and it's bled into the TVA.]

Anyway. The most important point about is that Loki's becoming a blank slate and this has a positive effect on him from the start. He's no longer so volatile, so desperate to prove his worth. It's as though his TVA uniform has reset him and allowing him to ask "What do I really want to do?"

Because again, Loki never lets the TVA really control him. He's still always himself. He challenges Mobius's beliefs, he chases down Sylvie after promising not to, etc. But he no longer has his family/Asgard's ideals to live up to.

But this meta about Sylvie.

Sylvie has rejected the Loki name, so it's decidedly odd that she wears the costume. She could wear literally anything, but she chooses to wear this, down to the horns—which is like a Loki crown. (She does quickly lose the horns, which I think is symbolic of Loki's effect on her, but I'm getting ahead of myself.)

Here's the TLDR of it all: Sylvie is very stuck. She's obsessed with vengeance, sees it as her moral right, and she's not wrong about that. But Loki has successfully broken free of his timeline role and his concerns about destroying Kang are equally valid. He's not blinded by anything.

Except affection. He thinks all Lokis should be more like Sylvie, chasing after what they believe is right. But at the last minute, he sees Sylvie for what she really is: stuck stuck stuck. And a danger to herself. He truly sees himself in her for the first time, the person. And it makes him sad. And scared.

"You have no idea how uncomfortable something like this is."

And here's the crux of all this.

Before they meet Kang, Sylvie asks Loki if he could conjure a new set of clothing. She runs her fingers beneath the collar as though it's choking her. They sort of laugh this off. But she wants to be free of something that she knows is constricting her and she recognizes that Loki can help, but in the end nothing changes. Because change is hard.

She continues to wear the Loki uniform, even though it's getting difficult to breathe.

#loki series meta #loki meta #sylvie meta #sylvie #loki #loki series #in fact all of the loki variants wear the same sort of uniform #only our loki is free of it #i honestly hope we never see it again unless it's a glorified version and signifies his accomplishments

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neyafromfrance95 · 1 year

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this is quite interesting. i don't know how much intention was put behind these props, but disney+ production isn't sloppy and these documents definitely give us some interesting opportunities for interpretations and hcs.

i mean,

sylvie is canonically "female" yet "laufeyson"? so, not a trans woman but an afab enby???

#sylvie laufeyson #sylvie laufeydottir #sylvie meta #loki #sylvie #loki series #loki tv

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percheduphere · 5 months

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The entire series is a love story in every sense of the word. It is a love story, and it is both triumphant and tragic.

The finale was gorgeously executed. It answers every point in Loki's development poetically.

1. He never wanted the throne. It was not about power but loneliness and the need to belong.

2. To have purpose is to choose your burden.

3. Love does not make one soft, it transforms us to be unimaginably strong.

S1 focused primarily on 2 things: 1. a second chance, and 2. Self-love.

The 3 main characters have a relationship in which love cascades. While Mobius loves Loki for who he is outright, his friendship and support allows Loki to have compassion for himself. Sylvie represents all of Loki's trauma and flaws. In loving her, Loki grants her a second chance expecting nothing in return. The second chance Mobius extended to Loki, thus extends to her.

S2 focused primarily on the love between friends, which I do believe turned into unrequited love for Mobius in S1E4 (manifesting as rage and jealousy).

That love turns resigned, and the jealousy reemerges in S2E2 albeit in a constrained, milder form.

Unbeknownst to Mobius, his romantic love is finally returned in S2E5, after Loki experiences enough platonic love for Mobius that the nature of affection shifts upon losing Mobius a second time.

The timing of this realization is profoundly tragic. When they are finally on the same page, the finale sets the stage for Loki to engage with the fourth, most powerful form of love:

AGAPE

A selfless love for everyone. Loki could not have reached this point without first experiencing self-love, platonic love, and yes, romantic love. All forms of love are demonstrated in the series, which gives Loki the strength of sacrifice, confronting his worst fear: being alone.

I find it deeply poignant that Loki uses his magical life force to create Yggdrasil, the tree of life, replacing the cold force of HWR's technology with his own heart, allowing everything and everyone to grow infinitely through space and time. There cannot be a more powerful ending for Loki's character, and the tragedy is the point.

But Loki embraces this burden willingly, lovingly, for all of them, most especially Mobius.

ON MOBIUS

It is only Mobius that senses something is deeply wrong. The first time, he asks, "Are you okay?" The second time, he notes Loki's odd comment, "This time?" The third time, (first for Mobius since he didn't remember each reset) instinctively, he becomes desperate. He grabs Loki by the lapels, "What the shit are you doing?" He tries to stop Loki, but Loki won't let him.

The fourth time, he simply says, "Loki?"

Throughout S2, it is Mobius that Loki turns to when he is afraid, doesn't know what to do, or seeks comfort. He returns what Mobius provides him in S2E2 in the pie automat. In S2E4, he defends Mobius's character to Sylvie and compares where he is now, as a person, with Thor's experience with Jane, a mere Midgardian mortal.

In S2E5, it is Mobius Loki timeslips to the most and the first person his heart seeks out once OB provides him with an answer to his fiction problem.

That Loki seeks Mobius's wisdom one last time and holds onto Mobius's hand as long as he can in the finale is significant. Mobius's words about choosing your burden are devastatingly true. These words propel Loki to make his choice.

And Loki walking out onto the platform in the finale is a direct reciprocation of this (S2E1):

This is an all-encompassing love story. Let noone tell you otherwise.

#loki #loki season 2 #mobius #sylvie #loki series #loki meta #loki spoilers #lokius #my meta #loki season two finale

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emeraldsworld · 6 months

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something.. something. interrupted confessions

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tryingonametaphor · 5 months

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can’t believe the “romantic relationship” of the show got “i want my friends back. without them, where to i belong?” “see. you’re selfish too.” before the other half denied to help and left loki behind after he confessed that he didn’t want to be alone-

and the “platonic friendship” of the show got “you saved my life when i first arrived. you saw something in me that i didn’t see in myself yet” before the other half left his life behind to help loki who he just met.

in the same episode.

#marvel queerbaiting me is absolutely nothing new #and sure mobius and loki could be platonic #but don’t tell me sylvie and lokis non existent romance was the driving force of s2 #heteronormativity must be one hell of a drug because loki was being treated like shit all season #loki #thoughts #meta #lokius

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demonicseries · 6 months

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they gave sylvie a shag mullet and really had me thinking they were gonna make her the lesbian that runs mcdonalds like it's the navy, but no, cause marvel doesn't know how to write

#THEY DONT HAVE CHEMISTRY #sylvie had more chemistry with that Ford Truck than loki #sometimes the stories plan to write arent the ones that end up happening #sometimes the story builds there own life #and has their own will #wait #maybe this is all a meta metaphor for trying to control the sacred timeline #(lol no)#loki #loki s2 #loki s2e2

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mischievous-thunder · 7 months

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Time indeed is a strange concept.

There's always a fleeting breathless moment between making it and not making it.

After the climatic moment when all hopes seem to be lost, sometimes comes the timeless love at full force that restores everything back to what it should be.

This is where soulmates belong, close to each other, physically and emotionally. They always come back to each other. Their love always makes sure that they do.

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sheliesshattered · 6 months

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I've seen some posts going around expressing frustration with Loki not telling Sylvie how he feels, at least as of the third episode of season two. And I'm not saying you're wrong, but like, can we just take a minute to think about this from Loki's point of view?

When they fought in the citadel at the end of time, the last thing Loki said to Sylvie was that he just wants her to be okay. Nothing else -- not power, not a crown, not the ability to rewrite time to his desires. He just wants Sylvie to be okay.

And in response, she kissed him. For those of us who ship them, obviously that was The Moment, and it probably felt like it to Loki, too. But then Sylvie immediately pushes him through a time door and kills He Who Remains, exactly what Loki was trying to keep her from doing.

We don't really know how Sylvie feels about Loki, but from Loki's point of view? That wasn't a kiss because she has feelings for him too, or even to acknowledge his feelings for her. That kiss was a trick, just as much as Loki creating a double or Sylvie enchanting someone. She used it to get him out of the way, because she realized she couldn't kill him and she couldn't convince him. So she kissed him to distract him long enough to get rid of him.

Loki has to have realized that pretty immediately. His face after she pushes him through the time door certainly looks like he knows exactly what Sylvie just did, and why. He tells her he just wants her to be okay, and she betrays him with a kiss. He looks appropriately heartbroken.

He then spends the first two episodes of season two trying to find Sylvie. Not just because the TVA is falling apart, but because he still wants to make sure that she's okay. She killed He Who Remains, she completed the one goal she'd had for so long, and Loki knows she would have been alone at the end of time after killing He Who Remains. Even before the TVA crises start piling up, he wants to find Sylvie, just because he needs to know that she's okay.

We as the audience get to see how desperate Loki is to find Sylvie, and it's obvious to everyone at the TVA, even Brad who has been off on his own on the sacred timeline for however long.

But when they finally find Sylvie, she really doesn't seem happy to see Loki. Her face falls, her posture is distinctly cold and defensive. When they talk, she tells him that she just wants to be left alone. She tells him that she's happy living there in that branched timeline, that she just wants to stay there, alone.

And once Sylvie makes that clear to Loki, he backs off. His feelings for her haven't changed -- but from his point of view, she's just reinforced that the kiss didn't mean anything to her. Because he loves her, Loki just wants Sylvie to be okay. And she makes it clear that she is okay, living a quiet life of her choosing.

Personally, I read Loki's behavior in the most recent two episodes as him intentionally respecting Sylvie and her wishes. All he wants is for her to be okay. All she wants is to be left alone to live the life of her choosing. He loves her, so how could he do anything other than give her what she wants?

#Loki #Sylvie #Loki show #Loki series #Loki season 2 #Loki spoilers #Loki and Sylvie #Sylki #pro Sylki #meta #character analysis #Sylki antis do not interact #ship and let ship

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lokiusly · 5 months

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Analysis: The track in Loki S2E6 (at 45:25) begins with Mobius telling B-15 “They need you in there”.

She asks him if he’s scared to leave the TVA and being out in the real world to which he replies, “Yes.”

His feet scuff the word, “Time”, from the TVA floor plaque. Good riddance. Or perhaps, a thank you.

A turning of the page.

We see the TVA War Room filled with employees, a stark contrast to before, when it was only a few employees who were allowed to be in there— this shows that B-15 achieved her glorious purpose, as did the TVA and its employees.

OB beams with pride at his newly written TVA handbook. His glorious purpose is to live out the sci-fi fantasy book that his timeline self always wrote about. Maybe one day his timeline self will be able to be a successful author too.

Of course, this song is bittersweet…

Ravonna wakes up at the Void, alone, and has to face the consequences of choosing power over love, which is what ultimately led to her downfall. She doesn’t realize that a pruned TVA plaque is at her feet. It’s assumed that she meets Alioth, destroyer of time— or maybe someone else who will get her out of there. She puts on a brave face.

Victor Timely, we assume has had his timeline restored. His younger self never receives the TVA handbook. He can be considered a sleeper agent. Or, a man who will only ever dream of power. He might not get it, but at least he will still have love of discovery and his humanity.

The score stops when Don (timeline Mobius) is in the frame with his kids. Mobius watches them.

The stopping of the score can mean two things. Someone (Loki) is listening. Or, this is not Mobius’ glorious purpose— it’s the absence of it. Maybe it’s both.

Sylvie is there too. Mobius asks her, “Where will you go?” She’s off, in search of free will. Glorious purpose.

This scenes show us the aftermath of Loki’s sacrifice and uses the track to guide us.

The track is called “Purpose Is Glorious.” Meaning, the purpose is in fact glorious. Duh.

But that contradicts what S1 Mobius says to S2 Loki and the advice that Loki takes to heart.

“Most purpose is more burden than glory. And trust me, you never wanna be the guy who avoids it ‘cause you can’t live with the burden.”

Implying, Mobius refused his glorious purpose as a TVA agent and now he lived with the consequences.

We are to believe that Loki’s glorious purpose is more of a burden than a glory. And even his sad glazed eyes at the end shows us this too. He’s not happy to be there per se…

But it is Loki’s glorious purpose. And it’s a burden. But, this is the god who spent centuries trying to find a way. And had they known earlier that there was only one way, they would’ve done it first thing.

This was always Loki’s glorious purpose. And it sucked and it wasn’t fair but dammit, the love they had for Mobius and the others made it glorious.

Everyone would get to live, Mobius would get a second chance.

And there was so much glory in that. Because Loki’s friends would never be a burden.

Mobius could never be a burden.

Mobius was the most glorious purpose anyone could ask for. And he belonged to Loki.

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starlight-bread-blog · 6 months

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Within the Loki series, taken out of who Loki was in phases 1-3, Lokius is seriously growing on me.

Loki and Mobius have a great bond, built on support and understanding.

Sylki is selfcest, Loki x Loki. We won't be missing out on anything. (In fact, I think it'd be for the best). I can easily see this going on the romance route.

But from what I remember, I wouldn't call it queerbaiting. Nor would I cite it as a reason to ship them.

My reason is good mlm representation from Disney.

There are a lot of straight couples in the MCU. (Almost) Every main hero is in some heterosexual relationship, Loki included.

And that's not even all the relationships, there are more.

But in the LGBTQ+ department... uh.. I think it was mentioned that Valkyrie had a girlfriend... uh... America Chavez had a pride pin... and Loki:

Wow!! How brave!! That is trurly MAGNIFICENT!! Cynicism aside, I'm sure the writers cared for the representation. I don't know them. But in the context of the MCU doing the bare minimum, it's icky.

One might argue that Loki is bisexual, therefore it's biphobic to suggest that he has to be in a gay relationship in order to be bi enough. Let me be clear, you are bi enough regardless of who you date.

However, as a bisexual person myself, I strongly disagree. The MCU has been giving us nothing but crumbs. Disney doesn't give a fuck about good representation. They want to attract queer wallets, but still keep it short enough to delete the scene for Russia and China. Us queers deserve better.

There was an opportunity to break out of this pattern, to give us an exploration of a queer experience. But we weren't given that. Time and time again, we aren't given that. And I fundamentally reject the notion that it's biphobic to criticize them for it.

Lokius could have been the MCU's first healthy queer relationship of a main character that is given an arc. I'm rooting for them all the way.

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lealu · 5 months

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As a nerd of northern mythology…I was so excited seeing this in the finale of Loki:

We are talking about Yggdrasil, the World Tree. This connects the nine worlds, including Asgard and Migdard aka our Earth. In Norse mythology, the universe consists of nine worlds. Yggdrasil carries these nine worlds and connects heaven, earth and the underworld. I think it also represents all the characters.

In historical myths it basically goes like this. First is obviously Asgard, then Vanaheim which it’s place and the 'Wanen' stands for nature, art and fertility, then Alfheim, home of light-elves and beauty, healing and magic, then Midgard, which is our earth, then there’s Jötunheim, home of the frost and rock giants and complete chaos, then Muspelheim home of fire giants (a giant from there destroyed the world during Ragnarök), then Svartalfheim, a very dark world, home of dwarves and gnomes who’re blacksmiths, then Nilfheim, the realm of ice, fog and darkness (Hel, daughter of Loki, lives there) and then at last Helheim. Helheim is the subterranean realm of the dead. This is where the dead who did not die in battle but from illness or old age went, those who don’t go to Walhalla come here. You can’t come back from this place.

In some ways they also represent the characters (if we look past canon of these places and only take this into account) but I am not sure if I am satisfied with my arrangement yet...

Loki - Asgard

Mobius - Midgard

Sylvie - Muspelheim or Alfheim

Hunter B 15 - Alfheim or Vanaheim

Ravona Renslayer - Nilfheim

Ouroboros - Svartalfheim

He Who Remains - Helheim

Miss Minutes - Jötunheim

The concept of Yggdrasil was already established in Thor; however, Loki puts the crown on the whole thing, as Yggdrasil now also represents the entire multiverse. So it could also just be a nod to the whole thing and I just interpret things for fun. I would love to hear more interpretations though.

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musclesandhammering · 6 months

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I’ve heard so much criticism about how Loki should’ve been the one to kill He Who Remains instead of Sylvie- because he deserved to be the one the free the timeline, because he deserved to represent chaos but instead ended up representing order, because having him side with a dictator was ooc, etc.

But I would just like to point out that it’s established now that HWR wanted them to kill him. That was literally part of his predetermined plan to reincarnate and stay in power. By doing so, Sylvie continued to follow right down the path he paved for her. She wasn’t being a rebellious hero, she was being a pawn.

Loki saw through the manipulation- he immediately smelled something fishy and refused to just mindlessly go along with it. And if Sylvie had listened to him and just took a minute to talk about it, Loki would’ve tried to come up with some other third option. Because that’s what Loki does- thinks outside the box, finds work-arounds, figures out clever ways to rebel against the status quo.

In that scene, Loki was the one refusing to play the part HWR wrote for him, and sylvie was the one being a perfect little cog in the machine. Despite the fact that he was actively being the voice of reason while she was being erratic and reckless… narratively speaking, he was chaos and she was order. It irritates me that people missed that.

#loki series #loki season 2 #loki 1x06 #loki 1x6 #antisylki #anti sylki #anti sylvie #not rly but I don’t feel like arguing with her stans #loki #he who remains #loki meta #loki series meta

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rocketrouquine · 5 months

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So I watched the 2 last episodes of Loki (including the finale) and well I have thoughts.

All in all, except for the beginning and the last two episodes, I really thought it was not as good as the first one. (Probably because Majors as Timely was excruciating, I hate when actors are trying stuff like this, it feels forced, it doesn’t work, I wanted to punch him every time he was opening his mouth) BUT …lokius. Yeah let’s talk about it.

It’s crazy to me how in the first season I was all for sylki because I thought their relationship and feelings were really well done and realised (whereas I saw what the mobius shippers saw but thought that it wasn’t really there there) BUT in the second season, I felt absolutely nothing between Loki and Sylvie. There was no more chemistry at all (it was like it never existed in the first place, it was bizarre) and even the actress playing Sylvie played it like a sibling or a good friend kind of fed up, just want to be left alone, not missing him for a second. And Loki pining for her but like a nerd is pining for a cheerleader in a bad teen movie (like boy, you’re not obligated to love her, you know), like you don’t even understand why except for the fact that it was here (emphasis on the was)

NOW Mobius and Loki in the second season ??? BAM 💥 Like sheesh everything : chemistry, banter, touch, exchanged looks,protectiveness, an ease like they are really soulmates. You could feel it all in every single one of their exchanges, it really was like watching a romcom where the protagonist fails to see what is in front of him and I was getting frustrated each time he was going all misty eyes for her, I was like « come on man let her go, we don’t fucking care about her anymore !! » Then, the finale…. The scene with Loki coming to see Don at his place with all the tension of a « is he here for this or ? What should I do? » gay panic, with Loki fucking putting his hair back and taking a breath before going to see him, like WHAT ?! That’s not what a friend does before seeing one other !!! You know what you are doing, so commit for fuck’s sake. But well… then they did (sort of) with the end of the finale. And it gutted me.

The moment with Sylvie and Mobius looking at him through the window… we know you put her there because it would have been impossible to brush it off if it was just Mobius juxtaposed with Loki’s « for you » but we know. I mean the last exchange with Sylvie at Don’s place before Mobius is saying « let time pass » (gu-tted I tell you). You can see that Sylvie is like « whatever » and Mobius is devastated. Also the shot of him in the dialogue was just all Loki’s colors green and yellow (hers was in a normal sunlight, his backlit) That is not an accident, to have these colors you have to plan it the day of the shoot and enhance it in color grading during post. This was a choice.

Anyway, I am not a sylki shipper anymore (and I even question why I ever was, after seeing the second season : I’ll probably cut myself some slack if I do a rewatch of season 1 because it was well executed at the time) and I’m diving in the pits of despair of Lokius. These fuckers.

#Loki #lokius #loki finale spoilers #loki season 2 #loki x mobius #loki x sylvie #sylki #i changed ship and I have zero regret #why won’t you let them be happy #come on there is some room on this throne no?#on his laps there is room #wgaf about your sons where there is a god to pass the time with #fuck you Kevin and Sean go find your mom or something #loki meta #loki finale #a lot of thoughts

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percheduphere · 4 months

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I made a thing! Sylvie's is slightly off since she does care about her needs, but it's pretty close.

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lokittystuckinatree · 6 months

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I’ve heard the claim that “Sylvie doesn’t love Loki as much as he loves her”

Here’s the thing. She did, and she will. Deep down, she still is and always will be. He was the only person to comfort her and understand her and relate to her and believe in her and risk everything for her. He was the first person she trusted and opened up to and was close to and felt safe with. He is the love of her life. Her soulmate. Then, from her perspective, he betrayed and abandoned her. Like Loki, she fears rejection above pretty much all else, both of them not feeling accepted and loved as they are by their respective authority figures. A year has gone by for her, and because she does not know that only a few days have passed for him, she now thinks Loki doesn’t even care enough to look for her. She thinks he moved on. She thinks his presence will ruin the life she has built for herself (something she would not have gotten without his help, btw) and get in the way of her happiness and safety yet again. She is closing herself off to protect her feelings from a perceived threat to that happiness and safety.

I know deep in my soul, that once they are in the same place and she feels safe enough to be vulnerable and trust fall into him, especially if they finally get security and stability together, she will allow herself to love more fully and deeply than anyone can comprehend. She will want to die with him again.

#Sylki #pro sylki #loki #sylvie #Loki meta #Loki series

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