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iamadequate1 · 4 months

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Black Pete vs Izzy (Pt 1)

I've long thought that Izzy and Black Pete are analogous like Prince Ricky and Stede. They have surface level similarities, but there is an undercurrent that sends their characters in wildly different directions. The mood has struck me to do a painstaking comparison of the two!

Starting disclaimer: Mind the "Izzy Critical" tag for realsy. I was not charmed by Izzy in S2, and I firmly view him as an antagonist all the way through. I also love Black Pete, though, and forgive all his sins.

This is going to be long and messy, but it is mine. I used to have it in one large post, but now I'm going to break this up into at least three separate posts. I have about 12 points, and it's gonna be a surprise how this develops. Let's begin!

#1: Pete and Izzy are both introduced as expressing displeasure in Stede's style of piracy

Everyone who isn't Ed seems to think poorly of Stede's pirate skills when they first meet him, but Pete and Izzy seem to be unique in that their character introductions in the series is them being most vocal about it.

Pete introduces the "real pirate" view of Stede before Stede's onscreen introduction. He gives us the first conversation of the series, and it is not flattering!

Pete: Fuck this! I'm out. Crew: Hey! Oluwande: What're you doin'? Pete: I didn't sign up to play cards. Weeks we've been out here with nothing to show for it. I should have... 20 kills by now, at least.

First of all, "nothing to show for it", and the screen is focused on Lucius. Petey, you gain a hubby from this, but you just don't know it yet!

Anyway, Pete's introducing right away that Stede is not up to real pirate captain standards when viewed by outsiders. After their first (and truly epic) raid, Pete is the first one to clearly criticize Stede:

Stede: Here it is: the spoils of battle! Woo-hoo. Congratulations on today's raid. I do have some notes, though. Uh, opening speech went well. Very inspiring. Uh, oh yes, I guess the big note is more energy! We're swashbuckling, we're looting. Let's have fun with it. Pete: Stealing a plant is hardly swashbuckling.

Like Pete, Izzy's very first scene in the series, he's not at all impressed with the Eccentric Pirate Bonnet and his savage, insane, vengeful pirate horde.

Izzy (also talking to historical Israel Hands): What kind of fuckin' idiot runs his ship aground? And this lot managed to take English officers hostage.

As a bonus, Izzy's disdain for Stede extends to Stede's entire crew! Upon meeting the entire crew in 1x4, we get Izzy's assessment to Ed:

Ed: Let's get to it. What've we got here? Izzy: Well, the ship sustained some damage in the crossfire, and the crew's completely useless, bottom of the barrel.

When Izzy is forced to partake in the teaching raid at the beginning of the next episode, he says:

Izzy: Crew of Revenge, you are not to engage. You are simply here to observe how real pirates function in the real world. Pete: Uh, we are also real pirates in the real world, so.

Yes, Petey, stand up for yourself! He was the "real pirate" in the pilot, but as the first season moved into its second act, the show starts to demonstrate more of how The Revenge is an anomaly in the pirate world even with the character who is the "real pirate" at the start. (Also, weird that we don't see Izzy on the raid that directly follows! How were they supposed to learn??)

#2: Pete and Izzy start as anti-soft

They both start the series with tinges (to very different degrees) of toxic masculinity: a push to being "manly" and dominant, minimizing emotional vulnerability, derision of the feminine or "weak." Nigel is the beginning example of this in the series as he calls Stede weak and mocks him picking flowers. On the crew side of the cast, Pete and Izzy are the ones who display these traits the strongest.

In the first episode, Pete is the most disdainful of Stede's super sweet flag activity, using misogynistic language.

Stede: Now, each of you will create a flag. And we'll vote for the best one, and that will be the official flag for The Revenge. Pete: I'm not fuckin' sewing. That's women's work. Stede: Oh, Black Pete, come on now. You know that's not true.

After their encounter with the British in the same episode, he makes disparaging remarks about a soft approach when attempting to fool the officers:

Roach: It's always the quiet ones. Frenchie: I thought that was fairly badass. Swede: You got to admit, he pulled it off. Pete: Pulled what off? Making us dress up like a bunch of fancy boys?

He doesn't make any comments as aggressively anti-femme after the pilot, but as we move along, we see him in a tender scene at the end of 1x6 when he gives Lucius the wooden finger and confesses that this feelings are deeper than a quick hookup:

Pete: So, uh, listen, I, I thought I was going to lose you. Lucius: Oh, yeah. Well, you nearly did 'cause I had a really bad infection, so. Pete: Exactly. And, uh, and, death, you know, I'm used to death, but, um, but not, um, your death. Uh, so anyway, I, uh, made this for you. It looks like a thumb, but it's a finger. I whittled it. It's, it's dumb. You don't have to wear it. Kiss: *happens, awwww* Lucius: I love it, and I didn't know you whittled. Pete: There's a lot you don't know about me... actually, that's kind of it.

At this point, we had seen Stede and Ed open up about some of their insecurities (see: Ed's bathtub confession just before this, or Stede talking to the therapist in 1x2), but this is the first scene we get a character confessing their feelings about someone to that someone in series. It's scary, it's vulnerable, and even though it's couched in violent language, it's very soft. It's also the round about confession phrasing similar to what we have with Oluwande to Jim in 1x7 or Ed to Stede in 1x9. Pete in the pilot would not have believably played this scene.

Pete progresses through the season, but in the last episode of the first season, instead of shaming him, Pete claps and makes (awkward) supportive comments to Ed's breakup song and even willingly dresses up as a "fancy boy" in the resulting talent show.

He's trying! Going into Season 2, he doesn't have a reaction at all to a woman (Zheng) calling him soft, and he just rolls with it.

Izzy, on the other hand, keeps his gendered insults throughout S1. In 1x4, we get "I'm not dying. Not for that ponce and not for you." In the next episode, we walks in on Lucius and Pete having a hookup with Wee John in the room taking a nap. He lashes out at all of them, but...

Izzy: You're all getting specific duties. Lucius: No thanks, Iggy. I only take orders from my Captain. Izzy: My name is Mr. Hands, First Mate Hands, or God as far as you're concerned, and I've got just the job for you... bitch.

Sure, it's funny in a pathetic way (the tagged on ineffective "bitch" is a big lol for me), but he ignores the disrespect Pete and Wee John give him and targets the most feminine one in the room and tosses in a "bitch" for good measure. In the end, Izzy tries to shame Lucius for being a "seductress," and it backfires as Lucius easily makes a fool of him. Izzy used the gendered insults ("bitch", "seductress", whatever that Oh Daddy thing was) as a power move, and it failed.

The next episode, he's calling Stede Ed's "pet" since they're developing a healthy friendship, and he makes sure to bring up Ed's past words re: pets that Ed is now "weak," what is a horrible, horrible thing.

This derision against the soft/weak/femme culminates in the S1 finale with Izzy's threats against Ed.

Izzy: I'm going to speak plainly. Ed: Wonderful. You know we share our thoughts on this ship. Izzy: I should've let the English kill you. This, whatever it is that you've become, is a fate worse than death. Ed: Well, I am still Blackbeard, so. Izzy: No. This, this is Blackbeard. Not some namby-pamby in a silk gown pining for his boyfriend.

(This show is awesome. The Blackbeard caricature from 1x4 has no face, but the one in 1x10 has a face and a lighthouse beside him.) Anyway, Ed is showing human emotions at having lost love, so Ed is ruined in Izzy's eyes. As mentioned above, Pete at this time was supportive of Ed (to the extent he can give), but his character mirror buddy is doing the opposite.

The beginning of this outburst feeds into the theme that will keep coming up with how deceptive and self serving Izzy is: the English were there because Izzy called them on Ed and his boyfriend. Izzy was already in the process of punishing Ed for being "weak" and having a "pet," and he thought Ed should have been punished far more harshly because he didn't immediately behave how Izzy wanted him to. The ship and crew weren't in danger from Ed and Stede sailing the seas happily, but they were in danger from Izzy. "Let the English," like he was a protector instead of the one that led them to The Revenge in the first place.

In this mocking, Izzy also continues with the derisive language. "Namby-pamby" by itself isn't a crime, but it is the same loaded language that Izzy used throughout the season, and "pining for his boyfriend" is said in a cruel mockery of the deep heartbreak Ed was going through. Ed was mourning the loss of an entire life he wanted, not the loss of a silly puppet he could scamper through meadows with when the mood struck. Izzy minimized these deep emotions so he could keep his control.

Izzy and Pete both began the season as angry against the softness, the weakness, that Stede was bringing into their worlds, but Pete dropped it much more quickly, while Izzy doubled down to the extreme. Pete got the soft affection confession, while Izzy angrily lashed out at someone having soft affection at all.

I should add as the last Pete and Izzy parallel that Izzy did also have his "fancy boy" moment in 2x6, but it felt more like a farewell for Con O'Neill than something that was organic or meaningful around Izzy. It's a parallel nontheless!

This is continued in Part 2!

Preview: They both wanted Stede dead at certain points! They both have a thing for the Legend of Blackbeard! They both are terrible pirates! Tune in next time. Same bat time, same bath channel!

Series: Part 1, Part 2, Buttons tangent, Part 3, S2 Izzy reaction GIF

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kazumahashimoto · 6 months

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me and the bad bitch i pulled by being autistic

#mars was so smart for this. i'm obsessed with them #btw the only ship name i could find for these guys was Bouge. like damn. yeah i guess so huh.#but yeah come take my hand. walk with me. life could be so beautiful #hh art #sonic #rouge the bat #big the cat #bouge #furry

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itsbrucey · 2 months

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Ron and Darryl dating, call that Business Partners

#folds my hands. yeah.#Rarryl or Don. also funny names #hi this is my coming out post /j #Oakson and Closeson and ...Rarryl(?) and every other Darryl ship can hold my hands. i have such dexterous hands #dndads #was talking to my gf about it and i cant remember if ive ever....seen Darryl and Ron together. so im taking initiative.#GRIPS YOUR SHOULDERS. MEN WITH MUSTACHES SHOULD KISS

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froggynelson · 6 months

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i know that people are complaining because people like the characters and are for them in the fandom, and more importantly due to the callous attitude this has shown to the actors, but as someone who has been here from the start and has seen the conversations people had here about the tv show then, it does feel a little funny (not good) that i've seen way more people being in vocal outrage to karen and foggy dying than ben. so much of the core daredevil stories ripe for adaptation can't be made without ben, but you don't see this argument much around

i feel like a good part of it is also because in the show they are seen as young and shippable, which is something ben isn't to the fandom. and absolutely another layer to it is his blackness in the adaptation. even if ben had been cast exactly as what he looks like in the comics i still think fandom wouldn't engage with him much, though him being black exacerbates the reaction a lot

#also if youre listening. take my hand and ship ben and matt with me #i dont write fic because i cant write prose for shit but if i did i would do a nois style ben pov bi awakening story #a monogamous married man coming to terms with being attracted to his friend #but being settled and happily married enough that he doesn't act on it. introspective and exploring age sexuality regrets and possibility #late night talks with his wife. and ending up kissing matt one day so he doesnt die regretting. doris watches (endorsing the husband yaoi)

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fourteenthz · 1 month

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LOVE AND PEACE ON FUCKING PLANET EARTH

#kelly plays ykz #yakuza 0 spoilers #I'm stopping now its like 7am I prefer to believe they are going to have a dinner and plan a trip to Europe and never come back actually #IM SO OBSESSES WITH THEM IT'S MAKING ME SICK IN THE HEAD #i didn't start this game expecting anything other than brother^tm but you know what. IF #they every single one of majima's old boss can say tell this guy has feelings maybe i can too. yeah. YEAH.#OBSESSED SO BAD with chapter 16 first cutscene... he has absolutely NO hesitation in running up to her.#and the second she goes past him he immediately refuses to let her go.#ITS SO INSANE how he has been so lifeless the last chapter and accepting his fate as a pawn for the next one #to show that fucking face he makes while looking at her. ITS SO WEIRD IN A FANTASTIC WAY my man is having too many feelings he can't #she** can't even see it and it KILLS ME bc he is making the world's puppiest eyes at her IM SO AUAAGAHHAHH SLAMMING MY HEAD ON THE TABLE #I NEED THEM. TO BE. SO NORMAL RN. I NEED THEM TO HAVE SUCH NORMAL DINNER RN.#I'm stopping playing bc i'm not sure that's going to happen so enough tears for today but I JUST. REALLY NEED THEM.#TO HAVE DINNER. HOLDING HANDS. AND THAT'S IS. CAN SOMEONE HEAR ME.#she really is like my top3 favorite characters in this damn game I adore this woman to death.#feeling so majima by his sigh in realief as soon as she stopped walking away when she tripped. the way his damn face changes from pained to #'IDEA!' and imediatelly offers to take her out........................... i'm so unwell at this momento.#I thought if they met again I wouldn't be able to trust majima bc he was so set in being a damn pawn in the previous chapter but man.....#the amount of thoughts behind his eye everytime he looked at her. if they end up playing that as him bring in pain #bc he has to win her over im going to kll a guy. there's no way NO WAY U HEARD ME #thry are literally my everything. there is NO way she is going to survive this game and I'm trying sk damn hard to get #used to that idea but it just sucks i love her so much. and thw worst part i have no idea what's up with majima on the other games #is her dying being his villain storie??? his hero redemption? HELL IF I KNOW. IS SHE EVEN DYING FR??#i truly think they could get away wih shipping her to another country. and it would make sense for majima to insist her to go.#but oh I doubt so hard they are giving me anything but pain with my favorite relationships in this game. i really do.#until then..... lying down in bed.... thoughts abt majima soft expression at her.... abt the weight her voice #carries rn.... abt the way he said 'hey' and she said 'you think I'm emotional because I'm hungry again'..... they. are. so.#the way they dont even give a choice to walk faster when she is accompanying majima.#I have such low standards at this point. if they don't at least hold hands again i will cry.#he doesn't need to guide her around anymore so... u see my vision? him asking for her hand bc he wants to... hello?

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jonahmagnus · 4 months

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Alright screw you guys if imaaxes and bullymagnets can post whatever they want so can I. It’s time for you guys to learn about Lisajohnny.

#Paranatural #pnat #Lisajohnny #My unfortunate art #Doodal #GODDDD PARANATURAL DELAYED FOR ANOTEHR WEEK. ITS OKAY IM FINE IM NORMAL #I WANT ZACK TO HEAL. WE HAVE TO KILL COVID 19 WITH HAMMERS.#I was gonna tag this as delete later but actually yk what? No I’m not. 2024 is the year of being publicly insane about our female blorbos a #d Lisa is mine.#I am the ceo of this ship. The inventor. Come . Come here. Take my hand. Transfem Lisa and demiboy Johnny Okay ?

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frecklystars · 9 months

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THE LOVES OF MY LIFE OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!! 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺 it's been so long since I've rly felt love bursting in my chest for any F/Os and I am feeling so so so so much for my girlboss girlfriend and my horsegirl boyfriend 😭😭😭💖💞💓💓💗💖💕💕💕💟💝

Her smile!!! god!!!! HIS smile!!!! god!!! these two are fucking saving my life I can't believe how much these characters are helping me get through the worst time of my life. THESE TWO are helping me get back into self shipping and helping me feel safe again when I really thought I'd never ever recover. I'm collecting screenshots of these characters and sighing with hearts in my eyes every time... I haven't done that in over a year... I'm making gifsets and writing fics and doodling again... it's all because of them and I'm such a weepy mess over it

#love notes #💕♫♪ ♡ You're the pink in my cheeks 🎀🌸✨♡#💕 I'll fight for you!! - ̗̀🐎🏖️✨ ̖́-#every time i make a love notes post with them i get teary eyed and um this isnt an exception 😭😭#theyre making me so happy and i havent felt this way in so long #im fucking happy you guys... god i havent felt. joy. with any F/Os in so so so so long!!!!!#self shipping is like. the core part of me. its all i've got and i went so long without it. that piece of me I NEED #fuck i finally found two F/Os who i know love me no matter what #and they're holding my hands telling me they'll never ever hurt me. wouldnt dream it. couldnt even fathom it #and slowly but surely i HOPE i will get back into self shipping just in general especially for transformers #but god. god!!!! god!!! i owe them my life!!!!#i couldnt fucking take it anymore i was falling so far and they!!!! are here!!!! in my heart!!!!#i was doing so fucking badly i was about to give up and they just. this movie comes out and im suddenly hopeful??#pinkest movie of all time barbie rly said keri fuck your ptsd fuck your abuser youre getting better #and youll love pink again and youre gonna be okay and im like yes maam whatever u say maam #god 😭😭 sorry i know i talk abt them a lot but its been so long #and i know i keep repeating! that its been so long! i know i dont shut up about how im hurting! but!#i cant! describe how overwhelmed i feel! its like a part of me that was dead for a year is slowly coming back to life #and the fucking relief... i am just awash with tears

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zo0pl0op · 3 months

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update: is click and horropedia and pavia shipped together anything (yes i am just shoving my favorite characters together but)

listen people already ship click x horropedia and also i’ve seen pavia x horropedia around and i personally think click and pavia should kiss so…..

bats my comically large eyes

#it is 10 pm and i have not eaten i’m going a little insane #horropedia please come home i need to put you in the wilderness w ur boyfriends and watch u stand close to each ofher #rarepair hell #reverse 1999 click #reverse 1999 pavia #reverse 1999 horropedia #what the fuck would the ship name even be tho like #i get horroclick (or clickpedia) and horrovia but #how do i combine those #note: i am a multi shipper but i am always of the belief that all of them could be in a polycule if we tried #reaches my hand out to you like that one gif of mercy overwatch #come…. listen to my headcanons boy….#pavia is very very attention starved and his bfs love him dearly #pavia and horropedia argue abt the stupidest things ever all of the time #click likes listening to pavia and very occasionally providing his input on stuff #click taking photos of his bfs…#all of them watching horror movies together….#ok i need to eat dinner

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tediousdelusion · 2 years

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my controversial(ish, maybe, idk) take on steddy hands is that two semi-apparently contradictory things have to happen first and they are both along the stizzy axis: 1) stede and izzy have to each recognize the other as competent. this takes more growth in stede’s part bc... look my dears, my loves, perhaps even my beloveds. as endearing as stede is, he still ends s1 as an incompetent pirate. he’s never taken a single ship and he has spent his entire life in the lap of luxury. (for his fuckery, he lets the danish board their ship. they live, but they don’t take any property - which is the entire fucking point of piracy). the boy needs to face a material hardship. it builds character, much like working customer service.

and 2.) izzy needs to accept some mild hedonism. pleasure for the sake of pleasure is gooooooood. anyone who tells you different is selling something. this is the one that takes growth on izzy’s part - he doesn’t see value in pleasure alone and like, god, my man perhaps i wish i vibed with you less but...

if these don’t both happen, i can enjoy it, but i can’t believe it, if you feel me. stede is a man who is insecure bc he doesn’t think that he deserves what he has... and up to this point this has lowkey been true. and izzy is fixated on being needed to the point where imo being wanted doesn’t occur to him. (ed is a whole ‘nother bag of worms and this post is toooooo Fucking Long)

but in the end, they need all need to both want and need each other. i think need comes first, but want shouldn’t be short to follow. the want has staying power.

also you can’t dom someone while also being a total incompetent i didn’t say that yes i did (guess im drunk enough)

#ofmd #our flag means death #steddy hands #steddyhands #izzy hands #im trying to tag this properly so do or dont come for me izzy anon #i guess #weve tangoed once before and you are not to be forgotten #guess im drunk enough to post this #may delete or edit in the morn #but anyone my point is....#my point is that i love polyamory and the far points of this ship could balance each other #do i think it will happen in canon no of course not i am a realist #but also i like the idea of even the quote end quote villain getting a happy ending #bc lets be real izzy is barely even a villain #hes an antagonist by the definition that he opposes the protagonists #but despite my fondness for the izzy is from black sails takes #like the boy would not survive a true gritty drama #he would never ever survive black sails #(i know not all of you have watched it but insubordination is punished by public flogging at a minimum)#(not... more chores. homeboy would lose at the game of politically motivated public murder)#(even my most innocent black sails loves do things beyond the moral event horizon of ofmd)#anyone the point is...#the point is that they should all come together and work it out

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lunaoritur · 4 months

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@ursadolls || plotted / for skipper <3

Fuck.

Fuck, fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck- this wasn't supposed to be happening. This was never supposed to happen again -- she was supposed to be happy, to be free, she had planned, worked, fought too hard for it to happen...and yet, that's exactly what happened, with Luna, ending up in Boss' wicked clutches and it was...right back to the same old routine. Luna, not able to move of her own accord, barely able to think of her own accord...

She was pissed. Upset. Embarrassed, angry, depressed, but above all else...afraid. For those she loved and cared about. Boss had gone on some long tangent about sending Luna to " take care of " her loved ones -- Sam, Dave...Skipper. That thought alone terrified her above all else -- she hadn't told Skipper everything, she couldn't have told him everything. No matter how much she tried, it felt like the words were just caught in her throat. Even with the little she had managed to spill, it wouldn't be anything...helpful, in this situation.

Sam was the only one who knew everything. Dave knew a bit, mostly what Luna and Sam had been able to force out, but he knew there was the risk of this happening...and he knew that Sam knew how to get her out of this state.

All of this...because she didn't know how to explain the situation, couldn't get those stupid words out of her stupid mouth and into the stupid air.

With Boss barking commands into her earhole via the TINY Bluetooth, Luna was wandering aimlessly, hoping and praying to Saturn's moons that she wouldn't bump into someone she knew.

Luck...wasn't on her side today.

She could've picked out his footsteps a mile away, but...they were right behind her, and...approaching. Normally, Luna would whip around excitedly, wrap her flippers around him tell him just how excited she was to see him, probably a little kiss.

Today, though...just her head turned. And she shot him a look. A look that screamed fear. Horror.

A look that said to run. She just hopes he'll listen...

#ursadolls #🔪🌙 // ic #🔪🌙 // v / the penguins of madagascar #🖤❤️ // ship with ursadolls / before the dawn has come i'd block out the sun ; if you want it done (luna x skipper)#OOPS MY HAND SLIPPED #take as much time as u need w this obvi <3 hehe #ask to tag /

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