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gold-talks-alot · 1 year

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Oh okay so this is why the clone wars is not a kids show

#tcw #ah #tcw season 4

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shiversdownyourspleen · 10 months

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Grievous being captured by gungans is the most out of pocket thing in the clone wars, which is immediately followed by the other most out of pocket thing in the clone wars

#A clone wars rewatch is seriously wild #Sometimes the writers are clearly on something and I’m here for it #Tcw #the clone wars #clone wars #clone wars season 4 #sw #star wars #commander wolffe #tcw wolffe #wolffe pack #general grievous #grievous #gungan #Clone wars shenanigans #star wars shenanigans

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elisemscott1122 · 9 months

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As many of you may know, some of the episodes of Clone Wars were released out of order in the timeline. Some requested I put together a cohesive list of the episodes in Timeline Order to go with my timeline order show/movie list, and here it is:

Clone Wars Chronological Watch Order Broken Down By Episode:

S2 E16 - Cat And Mouse

S1 E16 - The Hidden Enemy

The Clone Wars Film

S3 E01 - Clone Cadets

S3 E03 - Supply Lines

S1 E01 - Ambush

S1 E02 - Rising Malevolence

S1 E03 - Shadow Of Malevolence

S1 E04 - Destroy Malevolence

S1 E05 - Rookies

S1 E06 - Downfall Of A Droid

S1 E07 - Duel Of The Droids

S1 E08 - Bombad Jedi

S1 E09 - Cloak Of Darkness

S1 E10 - Lair Of Grievous

S1 E11 - Dooku Captured

S1 E12 - The Gungan General

S1 E13 - Jedi Crash

S1 E14 - Defenders Of Peace

S1 E15 - Trespass

S1 E17 - Blue Shadow Virus

S1 E18 - Mystery Of A Thousand Moons

S1 E19 - Storm Of Ryloth

S1 E20 - Innocents Of Ryloth

S1 E21 - Liberty On Ryloth

S2 E01 - Holocron Heist

S2 E02 - Cargo Of Doom

S2 E03 - Children Of The Force

S2 E17 - Bounty Hunter

S2 E18 - The Zillo Beast

S2 E19 - The Zillo Beast Strikes Back

S2 E04 - Senate Spy

S2 E05 - Landing At Point Rain

S2 E06 - Weapons Factory

S2 E07 - Legacy Of Terror

S2 E08 - Brain Invaders

S2 E09 - Grievous Intrigue

S2 E10 - The Deserter

S2 E11 - Lightsaber Lost

S2 E12 - The Mandalore Plot

S2 E13 - Voyage Of Temptation

S2 E14 - Duchess Of Mandalore

S2 E20 - Death Trap

S2 E21 - R2 Come Home

S2 E22 - Lethal Trackdown

S3 E05 - Corruption

S3 E06 - The Academy

S3 E07 - Assassin

S3 E02 - Arc Troopers

S3 E04 - Sphere Of Influence

S3 E08 - Evil Plans

S1 E22 - Hostage Crisis

S3 E09 - Hunt For Ziro

S3 E10 - Heroes On Both Sides

S3 E11 - Pursuit Of Peace

S2 E15 - Senate Murders

S3 E12 - Nightsisters

S3 E13 - Monster

S3 E14 - Witches Of The Mist

S3 E15 - Overlords

S3 E16 - Altar Of Mortis

S3 E17 - Ghosts Of Mortis

S3 E18 - The Citadel

S3 E19 - Counterattack

S3 E20 - Citadel Rescue

S3 E21 - Padawan Lost

S3 E22 - Wookiee Hunt

S4 E01 - Water War

S4 E02 - Gungan Attack

S4 E03 - Prisoners

S4 E04 - Shadow Warrior

S4 E05 - Mercy Mission

S4 E06 - Nomad Droids

S4 E07 - Darkness On Umbara

S4 E08 - The General

S4 E09 - Plan Of Dissent

S4 E10 - Carnage Of Krell

S4 E11 - Kidnapped

S4 E12 - Slaves Of The Republic

S4 E13 - Escape From Kadavo

S4 E14 - A Friend In Need

S4 E15 - Deception

S4 E16 - Friends And Enemies

S4 E17 - The Box

S4 E18 - Crisis On Naboo

S4 E19 - Massacre

S4 E20 - Bounty

S4 E21 - Brothers

S4 E22 - Revenge

S5 E02 - A War On Two Fronts

S5 E03 - Front Runners

S5 E04 - The Soft War

S5 E05 - Tipping Points

S5 E06 - The Gathering

S5 E07 - A Test Of Strength

S5 E08 - Bound For Rescue

S5 E09 - A Necessary Bond

S5 E10 - Secret Weapons

S5 E11 - A Sunny Day In The Void

S5 E12 - Missing In Action

S5 E13 - Point Of No Return

S5 E01 - Revival

S5 E14 - Eminence

S5 E15 - Shades Of Reason

S5 E16 - The Lawless

S5 E17 - Sabotage

S5 E18 - The Jedi Who Knew Too Much

S5 E19 - To Catch A Jedi

S5 E20 - The Wrong Jedi

S6 E01 - The Unknown

S6 E02 - Conspiracy

S6 E03 - Fugitive

S6 E04 - Orders

S6 E05 - An Old Friend

S6 E06 - Rise Of Clovis

S6 E07 - Crisis At The Heart

S6 E08 - The Disappeared, Part I

S6 E09 - The Disappeared, Part II

S6 E10 - The Lost One

S6 E11 - Voices

S6 E12 - Destiny

S6 E13 - Sacrifice

S7 E05 - Gone With a Trace

S7 E06 - Deal No Deal

S7 E07 - Dangerous Debt

S7 E08 - Together Again

S7 E01 - The Bad Batch

S7 E02 - A Distant Echo

S7 E03 - On the Wings of Keeradaks

S7 E04 - Unfinished Business

S7 E09 - Old Friends Not Forgotten

S7 E10 - The Phantom Apprentice

S7 E11 - Shattered

S7 E12 - Victory and Death

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dykekakashi · 2 years

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i obviously don't care how people see the obikin relationship but truly it is so funny when people pull the "they're like family" card to say there's a siblings or parent relationship there because actually i just don't act like that with my parents or siblings, thanks. that would just be deeply uncomfortable

#obikin #ada.txt #like have u watched tcw girl it's 90% obi-wan & anakin flirting thru seasons 1-4 especially

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sokaholic · 2 years

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Idk how or what to post on here so hi 😨

Ig I’ll tell a little bit about myself

• My #1 interest is Star Wars! I’ve always loved Star Wars but I got back into it after watching the mandalorian in 2020 :)

my favorite characters are Ahsoka tano, Rex, Hera Syndulla, Anakin skywalker, Asajj Ventress, Leia organa, Sabine wren, Ezra Bridger, Din Djarin and a lot more I’m probably forgetting haha

• I’m apart of the Lgbtq+ community and I’m also a person of color. I love and accept everyone ^^

• Some of my other interests are Arcane, Miraculous, drawing, gaming, Yandere sim (I do NOT support the creator.) and I am a furry lmao

• random fun facts about me

I love togrutas and twileks

I’m into the fortnite lore 💔

I love reaction yt channels

I love funkos

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fangeek-girl · 8 months

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It’s a wonder Anakin and the 501st even survived TCW s4. Back to back we get the Umbarra, Zyggeria and Rako Hardeen arcs, without any kind of break for them to breathe. Or, you know, process the very deep trauma they all just went through…

Hell, I would’ve taken a single scene of Anakin seeking Padmé’s love after the Zyggeria arc. Obi-Wan takes the time to warn Ahsoka, but doesn’t check up himself with Ani afterward? And nobody checks with Obi-Wan himself after being tortured into despair? He’s just fine by the next episode and ready to fake his death WHICH IS ALSO INCREDIBLY TRAUMATIZING FOR ANAKIN?!?!?!

It’s a lot for us emotionally but also makes no sense. Yes they’re at war but the show keeps reminding us that the good guys aren’t droids. Then show me the characters dealing with the trauma they just suffered. Show them being human and caring for each other some place else than in the midst of battle!

#it enrages me #TCW #season 4 #Star Wars

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buzznat20 · 2 months

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So in honor of TBB season 3 coming out tomorrow, and because I need to have something to laugh at or I’ll cry, I had my sister who’s never watched TBB or TCW guess the names/personalities of characters. I hope you find it as entertaining as I did. Starting off strong with #1: Bruce—asshole

Next we have #2: Gus—chill, but kinda annoying

#3: Timothy—pompous guy

#4: Charles (“ew the elderly”)—serious guy

#5: George (“after Curious George, ‘cause he looks like a primate”)—nice but an idiot

#6: Max—dad of the group (I was surprised with how close she was)

#7: Gordon (“ew his face irritates me” girl they all have the same face)—officer/receptionist

#8: Buzz—space ranger

#9: Martha—southern mom

#10: Fred (“he looks nice”)—he’s a chill grandpa

#11: Sabrina (“I don’t like her hair”)—robot. My sister gave no further explanation

#12: Zeus—leader

#13: Evil McBabyface (“I despise this man he looks evil”)—I have no notes. I applaud her for 100% accuracy on this one

#14: Rhonda (“she’s my favorite I like her”)—scientist

#15: Cassidy (“actually she’s my favorite I love her”)—Cool wine aunt who commits tax evasion

And finally #16: Roz (“Wazowski, ya didn’t file your paperwork last night”)—also a jerk

That’s all folks! I wish you a happy heartbreak as we watch this new season!

#the bad batch #tbb #tbb crosshair #tbb tech #tbb hunter #tbb echo #clone force 99 #sw tbb #star wars the bad batch #tbb omega #tbb wrecker #sw tcw #star wars tcw #tcw rex #tcw fives #the clone wars #tbb season 3 #tbb S3 #no spoilers

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Pong Krell. It’s universally agreed that he deserved worse than what he got and I get that. I just wished we got to see what he was like before he Fell. Did he always hate clones, was it gradual? Did he suspect something off and went over paranoid?

I’ll say this one and I’ll say this probably a thousand more times but I wished the creators focused on more details with characters. It’s absolutely fascinating that they created a Jedi that Fell but did nothing with it besides outright evil.

How other Jedi reacted to learning that a fellow Jedi betrayed everyone? How did the Republic?

I just wished they did more with him than just, yeah that dude was a dick and killed clones.

Yeah, it's one of the things I don't like as much about TCW, the extremely episodic nature of it means that there really is never any build-up to anything or lasting impact from anything. Unless it's happening within one of the 2-4 episode arcs, we RARELY get to see any kind of build-up or fallout. It's one of the major issues with Barriss, too, we see her ONCE in season 2 and she's calm, kind, methodical, and selfless. And then three seasons later in season 5 she's suddenly ruthless, selfish, doubting everything and everyone, merciless, etc. There is NO BUILD UP to that radical 180 to her character and there's no real exploration of how Ahsoka really feels about that particular betrayal afterwards, the focus in later episodes after the Wrong Jedi focuses only on Ahsoka feeling betrayed by the COUNCIL and her feelings about that. Nothing since TCW has ever touched it either (Rebels, Mandalorian, the Ahsoka show). Satine's death never really comes up again after it happens aside from Bo-Katan being an asshole. Obi-Wan goes from being totally fucked up about Maul coming back to being chill enough to take on Maul and Savage alone and winning without us getting to see him actually deal with those emotions.

Pong Krell and the Umbara arc IN GENERAL falls into this category easily (so do the Zyggeria and the Deception arc tbh). Krell is such a basic evil character, there's so little nuance to him and we never get to see the Jedi react to the revelation that one of their own turned at all. Dooku turned after he had already left the Order as far as any of them really know, but Krell was still IN the Order when he decided to betray them and it would've been really interesting to see the impact of that on them. It would've been ESPECIALLY interesting to explore that more during the Wrong Jedi arc in particular in how the Jedi feel like they can't trust their own people not to betray them anymore after Dooku and Krell.

Krell is presented with like. Zero nuance. He is just unequivocally evil and despite Anakin greeting him in a friendly way at the beginning, the visuals tell you this dude's no good right from his first appearance. There isn't really any chance that he's going to be a good guy at all. So all we are left with are headcanons.

And I remember discussing my Krell headcanons somewhere, but I think it might've been on a Discord server I've since left, so I unfortunately cannot find them again. So I'll try to remember them and immortalize them here, I guess.

Here's the thing about Krell. NO ONE suspects him. So he cannot be overtly acting like a bigoted asshole from the jump at any point, he HAS to be acting in such a way that it's not trickling out to the other clones and to the Jedi themselves that Krell is an absolute monster. Even Fives takes a moment to decide that Krell is suspicious and only brings up Krell's casualty numbers after he sees Krell's behavior for a minute and combines that knowledge with what he's now personally experiencing and is starting to come to conclusions based on that. He doesn't go into the relationship thinking Krell is worse than any other Jedi already.

And based on what we know of EVERY OTHER FALLEN JEDI (Dooku, Anakin, Barriss), they didn't start out as monsters. Dooku was a highly respected Jedi Master who seems to have had a really positive relationship with Yoda and Qui-Gon and simply became disillusioned with the Senate and his care for the people of the galaxy got twisted into something darker over time. Barriss was kind, selfless, compassionate, brave, and resourceful, and it was the war that caused her to start letting her fears and pain consume her into turning on the Jedi. Anakin was kind and spent years having his fears and doubts twisted into selfishness and greed and darkness that allowed him to justify murder and genocide for power. So it wouldn't make sense to me that Pong Krell wouldn't fall into the same pattern where he was once kind and good and selfless and brave, but that the circumstances surrounding the war caused him to lose faith and fall.

My headcanon is that he lost an entire battalion early in the war, much like we see happen to Plo Koon during the Malevolence arc and that that loss and failure just BROKE him. Krell DID care about the clones, he cared about his men, and he FAILED them all. And I think that he saw all of these clones dying by the dozens in all of the other battalions and instead of choosing to let go of his pain and fear and lean into his compassion, he chose to distance himself from them entirely to make it hurt less. If he didn't care about the clones, if he just saw them as the cannon fodder that the Senate treated them all as, then it would hurt less when they died. Maybe the Senate itself even dragged him over the coals for that initial loss. Or perhaps it was the opposite, maybe most of his battalion was killed, but it ultimately ended in a victory anyway because they were forced to just keep going despite the consequences. And so Krell decides to enter this mindset where he is disillusioned with the Senate and just CANNOT allow himself to care about the clones, because it won't change what the Senate is going to do to them anyway, so he may as well just treat them the same way.

And this wouldn't have happened overnight. It wouldn't have been a sudden 180 where he decided he was just going to treat them like shit. But he maybe decided to put some more professional distance between himself and his new battalion, not get close to them, not use their names (although he still knows them, still remembers them all). Maybe one day they're in a tricky situation and all of his options are bad, he HAS to sacrifice some of his men in order to salvage the situation at all, and it's a choice between a full retreat that he KNOWS the Senate won't take well, or sacrificing the men to achieve the victory. So he sacrifices the men. It's not an entire battalion, it's not even a whole company, but it's more than it would've been if he'd retreated. Maybe next time, there's a choice between going back to save some of the men even if it poses a risk to his own life or the mission or something, and he chooses not to go back for them because the mission is more important, or he rationalizes that his life is more important as the Jedi General. And it's just more and more little decisions like that that add up over time to being able to see the clones as nothing more than tools.

The disillusionment with the Senate leads to him sort-of agreeing with things Dooku and the Separatists have said and he can look at the war and realize that it's entirely possible that the Republic is going to LOSE, and he CANNOT be the one who loses again, so maybe he starts bouncing around the concept of maybe switching sides. And of course initially he rejects the idea. He's a Jedi, he won't just abandon the Republic, he can't be a traitor, who in the Separatist side would ever trust him anyway. But once that seed is planted, it doesn't go away and it keeps coming back up and he keeps finding ways to rationalize why it might be a good idea and then deciding not to do it over and over again. Until one day, he can't convince himself that it's a bad idea or that it wouldn't work. He tells himself it's the ONLY option, if he doesn't change sides then he's dead. But Dooku WON'T trust him unless he can prove that he's not on the Republic's side, so he has to come up with a plan to gain their trust. And what better way to earn that trust than to ensure a Separatist victory in an important campaign by double-crossing the Republic.

And once he's chosen to go down that path, it's even EASIER to stop caring about the clones because, well, they're all dead anyway. The Republic is going to lose, the clones are all dead men walking no matter what, so why bother caring about them or trying to keep them alive? He can't lose so often that the Jedi or the Senate become suspicious of him, of course, but it's REALLY easy then to get to Umbara and treat the clones like crap and turn them against each other and intentionally try to get them all killed. They're dead anyway, he's not the one killing them really, is he, the Senate is, the Jedi are, the war is. They were dead from the moment they were created in that test tube because they were created for this specific purpose. It's not his fault.

And much like Barriss turns against the Jedi in part because she did LOVE the Jedi and was devastated by what she saw happening to them and the pain of seeing her people forced to become something they were never supposed to be, as much as her actions were intended as some kind of message to try to sort-of save the Jedi from a course of action she saw as their downfall, I think that Krell turns on the clones because at some point he DID care about them. A lot. And that care became his downfall, the pain at what was being done to them just absolutely gutted him and it threw him down a path that ultimately led him to turn against the very people whose deaths had hurt him so badly just a few short years ago.

Krell might not have been the most effusive or emotional person prior to the war or anything, he might've been a more reserved person similar to Mace or Dooku or Luminara, but I think he probably was a perfectly good Jedi who was kind and selfless and compassionate once upon a time.

And none of the headcanons above have even touched what his relationships with other JEDI must have been like. It's just as possible that he did have friends and people he considered family among the Jedi. Maybe he had a padawan once at some point. And maybe all of those people had died by the time we get to Umbara. Maybe he had to watch a lot of the people he was closest to just fall like flies, and so it starts feeling like nothing matters. Maybe one of the Jedi who died on Geonosis was a former padawan of his, but Krell himself obviously wasn't there and the pain of THAT loss and the guilt he feels at not having been there (even though this padawan had been knighted for a while and there was a good reason Krell wasn't there that day) just sticks with him, too, and he never quite manages to let that go, either.

I think a lot of people choose to just headcanon Krell as having just always been kind-of an asshole even when he was a Jedi, but that doesn't work for me. If Krell was always an asshole, I feel like the Jedi would've stepped in at some point before the war even HAPPENED and tried to manage that situation. And it doesn't match up with the way pretty much every other fallen Jedi has ever been written, where they were GOOD PEOPLE once upon a time who saw awful things happen that they couldn't stop or had an awful thing happen TO them that they couldn't stop and the pain of that experience consumes them to the point that they spiral into darkness as a result. Krell should be the same way, which means he likely was a perfectly good normal Jedi before the war. He would've been kind, he might've been good with younglings (he's tall, maybe he was the one the younglings went to all the time for piggy back rides, maybe he often taught dual wielding to padawans who asked because of how clearly proficient he is at it), he might've taught a student of his own successfully, he would've been wise and selfless and compassionate, he would've loved the Jedi and the people of the galaxy.

Like, to be frank, if Tales of the Jedi HAD to explore a fallen Jedi story, they should've explored Krell instead of Dooku. Dooku has been explored before, we know quite a lot about him and his motivations and his backstory, but Krell, as you noted, is left a mystery and is stuck in the realm of being just purely evil for the sake of the story they were telling in this one arc. Krell needed more nuance in a way Dooku just did not.

#star wars #pong krell #tcw #the clone wars #umbara #umbara arc #krell

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