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morally-grey-girlbosses · 9 months

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The top two characters will be eligible for entry into the bracket!

Propaganda under the cut.

Vriska Serket:

People love her! People hate her! People want to fuck her! People want her dead! It’s Vriska fucking Serket bby! No introduction needed.

she did nothing wrong but i guess you could bring up that time she mind controlled one of her friends to jump off a cliff permanently paralysing him and then later stabbed him through the chest with his own lance or that time she killed one of her other friends by mind controlling one of her friends or that time she blinded her best friend because said best friend blew up her magic artifact causing her to lose an arm and an eye. said best friend would later kill her and then thousands of pages later rework the timeline to not kill her. and then they kissed. shes also a mentally ill neurodivergent gay teenager living on murder death planet who was forced to murder lest her spider mom eat her for breakfast, basing her entire personality off her singular role model who was a fucked up pirate who lived a longass time ago. she has a redemption arc after dying and genuinely begins to heal from her traumas and work towards being a healthier and better person and then an alternate version of her gets created by aforementioned timeline reworking and shouts at her and steals her girlfriend. she did nothing wrong. she created so much discourse. i love her immensely. shes even vriska (vriska)

It's vriska. Need i say more?

It’s Vriska.

She had her own discourse tag (Vriscourse) due to all the crimes she did. These include murder (of enemies, friends, and strangers), a revenge sprial that led to her paralyzing one friend and blinding another, and literal mind control. She was one of the protagonists. Also one of the biggest problems that needed solving. A deeply hurt and desperate teenager, she tricked a lot of her team and a lot of the fanbase into thinking she was a shallow violent "spider8itch." She earned every last bit of vitriol she got. She was a scared lonely teenage girl. Her best friend (the one she blinded) murdered her. It was declared both a just and heroic death. It had to be undone with time travel because it was impossible to suceed without her. She had so much love to give. She delivered needless pain instead. She was a result of her society and unbringing. Her friends were not nearly as brutal as her. She's like if Azula ATLA had a sense of humor and was allowed to say fuck.

vriska serket ... she is still so controversial - hence the moral ambiguity yes she does do terrible things but consider: she has an evil spidermom that needs to be fed children and she lives on the imperialist militaristic kill planet ... is it any wonder she is so morally dubious ?

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Damara Megido:

Damara lives in a caste based society where blood colour is tied to lifespan. She is of the lowest colour and thus she’s already on the bottom of society. She speaks a language not widely understood by her acquaintances, except for her eventual boyfriend, Rufioh. Her boyfriend cheated on her, so she paralyzed him and he was turned into a head on a robot horse body by Horuss, the guy he was cheating on Damara with. He then feels awkward around Horuss. She was also bullied relentlessly throughout her youth by literal royalty. She killed her tormenting bully, Meenah, the lowest caste kills the highest caste. She becomes so estranged from her “friends” that it’s suggested she has entered into the service of the literal destroyer of the universe. At the same time, when interacting with “friends” she portrays herself in a very sexual, horny otaku fashion, and pretends not to understand people when they talk to her. Tragic girlboss to herself.

Rose Lalonde:

this is my... twelth or thirteenth submission? i think. and not going to lie its all blurring together for me but rose is my ultimate blorbo of all time. shes a lesbian nerd with a degree in wikipedia psychoanalysis she uses to call her friends gay. she ends up involved in the end of the world and makes a plan to destroy the main villain which involves her own death. she consorts with eldritch beings and succumbs to their grimdark influence. she is shtity to her friends and is very self important. she cares deeply for them. she is a flighty broad and she has a lot of snarky horseshit. said grimdark episode is after her mom dies. she gets stuck on a meteor for three years and ends up becoming a teenage alcoholic. she goes on her first date unsure its a date and totally wasted. she flies around blowing up the structures of innocent turtles and consorting with dark cosmic entities. she gets stabbed through the chest. she dies three times over the course of the comic. she even gets gay married. shes such a girlboss and look its homestuck of course shes problematic. ultimate blorbo ever. vote rose

Terezi Pyrope was submitted without propaganda, but I am familiar enough with Homestuck to attempt to write some myself. Here we go:

She dreams of becoming her alien society's equivalent to a prosecutor, whose job is basically just to murder criminals with little to no evidence. She gets involved in a huge revenge spiral between all her friends. She fucks over one of the main human characters and ends up creating one of the worst timelines because of it. Despite all that, she ends up working for good in the end, and helps that same main human character rewrite the entire history of three universes to create a more favorable result.

#poll #tournament poll #qualifiers #homestuck #vriska serket #damara megido #the handmaiden #rose lalonde #terezi pyrope

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nervousbreadpuppy · 10 months

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gamzee and death

so i find it interesting how gamzee is the only character that doesn't die.

like it's explicitly pointed out in canon how he is notoriously hard to kill because he's a clown.

and he doesnt have any doomed timeline selves either, despite being known to exist in doomed timelines.

and thats really interesting.

because first of all, it implies a few questions. like what happens to the gamzees in doomed timelines. do they just fade into nonexistence? does he gain some awareness of them/their memories (such as with doomed!rose from davesprites timeline)? is he constantly every version of himself?

i can't tell you. its just interesting to ponder.

and through not being able to die, gamzee is denied the closure of death. he cannot become a martyr the same way vriska and eridan do.

because arguably, vriska and eridan do similar amounts of harm. like maybe not "directly causes every single problem in the story" amounts of harm, but still. vriska killed thousands of trolls. and even in the context of murderstuck, eridan killed more people than gamzee did.

but they are not punished for their actions aside from their deaths.

(vriska) is able to have a complete character arc and realize how she wasn't happy doing what she was raised doing. in death she is allowed growth.

eridan isn't given the same amount of mercy, but he still is able to reach an understanding? through erisolsprite. they hate themself, but they are still able to say about gamzee "fuck that guy"

gamzee is not allowed to die. he is not allowed to experience the mercy of death. he is put through incredible amounts of pain without dying (see: caliborn's machine gun, terezi's stabbing, getting cut in half (twice)). the only reason he is so despised is that he is not allowed death. he is not allowed mercy. he is not allowed martyrdom. he's too important for that.

#gamzee makara #homestuck analysis #gamzee analysis #homestuck #he's a really tragic character man #anyways this is kinda rambly but yeah

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2-point-5 · 4 years

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my essay on why gamzee is good, actually.

@daughterofapollo123

tw for drug addiction, bullying, murder, and general spoilers for homestuck

Gamzee Makara is a joke character from the hit webcomic Homestuck. His entire purpose was to be a meme, to make foolish decisions, and to drag the plot along if necessary. “Then why do you care, Alyn? He’s a joke, a hint of comedy, an easy villain. Why would you use your entire lunch break on an essay for a literal clown?” That, my dear reader is a good question with a simple answer. Gamzee deserved better. He was a good character, ruined by both canon and fanon, and could've been an incredible contribution to the cast, if he hadn’t been brushed off, ignored, and dismissed by his own creator, as well as the readers.

Let’s start with his character. Gamzee Makara is a young troll from the planet Alternia, around 13 years old in human years. Although addicted to some very heavy drugs, and a firm believer in a bizarre cult of juggalo gods, he remains a loyal friend, even when the others dismiss and ridicule him, and telling him that he was a waste of space. His best friend, Karkat, clearly didn’t care about him much at all, something which Gamzee was morbidly aware of. He was brushed aside, not just by the narrative and his friends, but society. He lived completely alone, after his lusus, or guardian, having left him years before. He raised himself, his only contact with anyone being his online friends, few of which showed him any compassion. When SBURB, a universe ending video game, began, he was roped in with his friends, showing himself to be a surprisingly formidable fighter. When they reach the meteor and are forced to wait for the human players to reach them, he is mostly removed from the narrative, allowing Karkat and a few others to become the stars of the show. The next we see of him is his downfall.

After messaging Dave, one of the humans, to chat, he discovers that Dave has already spoken to him, at another point in time. Dave sends him a link to Insane Clown Posse’s “Miracles” music video. Gamzee is outraged by the blasphemy, and goes “Hero Mode” a short lived joke, with little to no effect on the story. Next though, he starts to unravel. He’d mentioned in his conversation with Dave that he hadn’t had a pie- a drug pie that is- in a while, so he was likely going through withdrawal. His mind was perfect for Lil’ Cal, the malevolent puppet, to access his mind. He realizes that he is the mirthful messiahs he had worshiped his whole life, and he takes it upon himself to cleanse the world of impurity. He proceeds to kill Equius, one of the people who had been cruel to him, along with Equius’ platonic partner, Nepeta, who witnessed the murder. From then on, he stayed in the vents of the facility, rarely coming out. At some point, he came across the young cherubs, Calliope and Caliborn, the very embodiments of good and evil.

He stayed on the edge of canon for a while, occasionally helping further the plot, but had little to no further meaning until the retconned timeline. He had previously been taken control of by Aranea to help further her nefarious plans. He and Terezi, one of his former friends, had a fight, resulting in her death, but there was a very vibrant moment where the layers of mid control from Cal, as well as Aranea Serket fade off, and he comes to for the first time in around three years, and realizes what he’d become, immediately before being stabbed by Terezi and chainsawed in half by Kanaya. Unfortunately, this timeline was removed from canon, meaning he never canonically regained consciousness after his initial sobering. He spends the rest of the comic being irrelevant again.

So, now that we’ve gone over his character, let’s discuss his fanon treatment. Most of the fandom took him as a joke, reducing him to a haha funny stoner clown who kills when he goes sober. Most people either hate him or don’t care, making me somewhat dubious that anyone will read this essay. However, if you did, and you got this far, I would like to offer up this:

Gamzee was mistreated his entire life. Suddenly, his whole world falls apart, his drugs, his religion, his friendship, and then he is taken over by the embodiment of evil itself. He was a thirteen year old boy, with mental health issues. He was a nice person, who cared about his friends, so naturally, the canon had to destroy him.

#homestuck #gamzee makara

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chekovs-fuckup · 4 years

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100 Homestuck Headcanons Of Mine

Both Meulin and Nepeta say “hewwo” unironically. They can also replicate the OwO and UwU faces near perfectly.

Roxy loves Five Nights At Freddie’s, Undertale, and Minecraft.

The Striders and Lalondes have a group Minecraft server.

One time Roxy convinced Rose to play Halo with her, Dirk, and Dave. That was when they found out Rose was surprisingly good at it, and Fortnite.

The trolls all love Animal Crossing

Actually, everyone loves Animal Crossing.

The Mayor is the only one who had Raymond. That is because Dave gave him Raymond.

Everyone else wants Raymond.

Vriska stabbed someone for Raymond. She didn’t get Raymond.

The Harley-English-Egbert-Crocker family have a group Minecraft server, and that’s it.

They tend to spend their free time seeing what whacky things they can alchemize.

At one point they managed to alchemize Captain America’s shield. No one is sure how, but it works.

Roxy and Dirk can both eat whole ghost peppers. Rose and Dave both hate spicy food.

Jane doesn’t mind spicy things but prefers sweet stuff instead. John and Jake are fine with a little spice but not as much as Roxy and Dirk. Jade can’t have anything spicy or she will get extremely sick.

Spicy peppers, and peppers in general, are lethal to trolls, due to the capsicum in them. The first time Karkat and Kanaya saw Dirk and Roxy eating peppers they freaked out.

Dirk and Roxy have occasional competitions to see who can eat the most peppers in a minute. It’s hilarious.

Karkat learned the Alternia equivalent of an Earth ukulele before the game. He remembers one song from it and occasionally borrows Jake’s ukulele to play it when he’s sad.

Jake, Jade, Jane, and John have every musical instrument you could name, and some you couldn’t.

Jake can play the ukulele and bagpipes. Jane can play piano and keytar. Alongside bass, Jade can play the trumpet and otamatone. John can play guitar and saxophone.

Dirk can play the otamatone. That’s it.

Roxy keeps requesting that Jade alchemize cats. She has about 30 by now.

Roxy gave Dave a cat. He named him Skittles, and claims it’s completely ironic.

Dirk also has a cat, named Twilight Sparkle

Rose has a cat named Cthulhu.

Jake has a parrot named Indiana Jones

Jade now has a corgi named Thor.

John managed to get Jade to help him alchemize a dragon. It’s name is Fluffernutter.

Jane is a master at anything kitchen-y. Jake and John both burn water. Jade can cook stuff but prefers take out.

Roxy knows how to make grilled cheese and soup really well, and Dirk is good with a grill but that’s it.

Rose makes the best hot chocolate, tea, and coffee. Any drink you want, she can make. She can’t cook anything though.

Alternatively, Kanaya is an excellent cook but thinks that mixing Dr. Pepper, Sprite, and Faygo together is good.

Kanaya has mixed every soda the kids could find together before. Dirk paid John $30 to drink it. John did.

“If you open a banana from the bottom you are a disgrace to the world and we all know you’re a top who can’t find a bottom.”- Rose, Kanaya, Jade, Vriska

“Opening a banana from the bottom lets you have the most banana without eating the weird thing at the end of it”- Dirk, John, Jane, Karkat

“Why bother peeling bananas when you can just eat them whole?”- Jake, Dave, Terezi

One time John used the Mayor’s cuteness to get Jane to bake him a cake. Dave found out and was pissed.

Dave convinced Rose to knit the mayor a sweater.

The mayor loves Doritos. He always gets the last one in the bag.

Kanaya loves mixing different types of one kind of food or drink. She has mixed all the candy in the house, much to the delight of most everyone, has mixed all the soda (it now lives in the back of the fridge for when they play truth or dare) and has mixed all the cereal in the house, much to the irritation of Roxy and Rose.

Dave ate a handful of Kanaya’s cereal mix because Dirk said he wouldn’t.

Has read Twilight: Rose, Roxy

Hasn’t read Twilight: Jade, Jane, John

Doesn’t know what Twilight is: Mayor, Calliope, Karkat, Jake

Hates Twilight: Dave

Vocally anti-twilight but secretly wrote and published a 100k fanfic: Dirk

Can swim: Rose, Roxy, Dirk, Jake, Jade

Can’t swim: John, Calliope, Jane

Hates bodies of water: Dave

Trolls don’t have grey skin, they have grey fur.

Said fur poofs up when the trolls are scared as a defense mechanism, like a cat. But instead of being fluffy, it’s spiky and sharp. Trying to punch a fluffed up troll ends badly.

If you mix Faygo and sopor slime you get the troll equivalent of weed.

Calliope found archery and axe-throwing, and is wonderful at both.

Dave convinced Rose to knit a sweater for the Mayor.

Cereal before milk: Rose, Roxy, Jane

Milk before cereal: Jake, John, Jade

“Just eat the cereal dry, cowards”: Dave, Dirk

Dave had a popular Vine account

Karkat does not understand the term Yeet.

Instead of saying “Yeet” Rose says “defenestrate”

Roxy has a Tumblr account filled with things their group has said.

Kanaya has designed outfits based around pride flags for everyone.

Dave likes Mindless Self Indulgence and My Chemical Romance

Calliope likes Fall Out Boy

John listens to twenty one pilots a lot

Dave also likes cavetown

Kanaya loves girl in red

The beta trolls ancestors can change their size.

The Grand Highblood and the Condesce shifted to a larger size permanently to intimidate other trolls.

Some don’t use it as much, or at all, like the Dolorosa, the Signless, or Neophyte Redglare.

Dualscar uses it to ease travel or to win fights, and will grow to extreme sizes so he can get through the water faster. It’s also ten times easier to sink ships.

The Psiionic couldn’t use the power once he became the Helmsman.

Darkleer uses it to grow smaller, so he can work on the small, delicate parts of his inventions.

Carapacians grow weed as a crop. For them, it’s their main source of food. For humans, it’s weed. It’s poisonous to trolls.

Sea dwellers’ lusii die more frequently (possibly due to the eldritch being at the bottom of the ocean), so they started letting older sea dwellers adopt sea dwellers that aren’t really old enough to survive without a lusus.

How many sweeps a troll is can be equated to human years, but when compared to other blood castes it becomes very skewed. A sweep equals roughly two human years, but different blood castes view this differently. Rust bloods, bronze bloods, and gold bloods all live fairly short lives, so 7 sweeps is roughly half their life span. Lime bloods and jade bloods all view 7 sweeps as being a bit like their early twenties. Teal and cerulean bloods would consider 7 sweeps to be roughly 13 or 14. Cobalt and purple bloods would see 7 sweeps as maybe being 6 or 7. Violet and fuschia bloods live for thousands of years, so legally and when comparing life experience to other fuschia/violet bloods, 7 sweeps is basically a very young toddler. This is just how each caste views age internally, given that they have different lifespans. 7 sweeps is roughly 13 or 14 in human years. This is explained badly but it’s also an alien concept put into English.

Teal and cerulean bloods have the closest lifespan to humans.

Dealing with eldritch beings shortens your lifespan because of the toll it takes on your body. This means that if Rose never reached godtier she would have died earlier than she was supposed to. This also means that if Eridan wasn’t chainsawed in half he probably would have had the lifespan of a purple blood or blueblood.

An ahab crosshairs or whatever can be really deadly in certain situations, but outside of that it’s basically useless.

The one time Dave met Kankri, he decided to put all of Mindless Self Indulgence’s songs on shuffle and play whatever came on first to Kankri. It was ‘Stupid MF’. Kankri flipped his shit and Dave is no longer allowed near him.

Meenah turned it into a game to see who could get the loudest reaction from Kankri by playing an MSI song. So far the winners have been 1. Vriska with ‘Faggot’, 2. Cronus with ‘Bitches’, and 3. Meenah with “Fuck Machine’. Honorable mentions include ‘Get It Up’, ‘Big Poppa’, and ‘Dickface’.

The honorable mentions change constantly

The game is ridiculously easy to win, given that most MSI songs are A) about sex, B) have slurs in them, C) are just really offensive in general, or D) all of the above.

To win the game you record Kankri’s reaction to the song and upload it to a forum on pesterchum.

Kankri is unaware there is a game.

Cronus repeatedly hits on everyone he meets. There are two people who he’s stopped flirting with, though.

The first one is Vriska. The first time he flirted with her she kicked him in the balls. The next time she stabbed him. He stopped trying after that.

The other one is John. He kept comparing Cronus to people from late 20th century movies with greasers in them.

Roxy loves riot grrrl bands.

Roxy, Sollux, John, and Karkat started a coding club. Roxy and Sollux help Karkat and John get better at coding, and also challenge each other to break into more and more ridiculous places.

At one point, using the codes that let Roxy and Dirk talk to Jake and Jane, Roxy and Sollux were able to hack into different government websites in different universes.

This includes the Pentagon, the FBI, and the CIA. They figured out how to get news live from the other universes, so occasionally they invite their friends over and watch a different world panic.

They end up doing internet troll stuff once in the websites. They’ll leave things equating to “aliens from another universe were here” and shit. They’ll make it so every time the website is open the screen turns pink or red and blue.

One time they left a picture of a message in Alternian. When the feds decoded the message, it just said “2ollux and Roxy were here. 2ucker2.”

One time they replaced all the photos of people with badly photoshopped versions of the photos where all the faces had been replaced by either Nic Cage’s face or Danny Devito’s face.

When they aren’t breaking into government websites, Roxy and Sollux will set up firewalls for the other to try and get past.

Aradia and Federico bleached Eridan’s hair while he slept, and cut it short. They also put pink bows on his horns. Just because.

Because Sollux can hear voices of the imminently deceased/is basically half dead, and Aradia has a strong connection to death, they were able to manipulate this so they could communicate telepathically. It takes focus, but they can do it.

Dirk knows Japanese, and can understand Damara. He is the only one who can.

They have inside jokes about everyone they know

Vriska found 5 or 6 doomed versions of herself and brought them back to life. They live in a shared hive and use the fact that they are all various Vriskas to prank people to an extreme. The only one who know whats happening outside of them is Terezi, because A) seer, and B) the one who gave John the list of things to do was brought back as well and told her.

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sometipsygnostalgic · 5 years

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Suicide and the Homestuck Epilogues

I don’t really want to make a super long post at this time. Turns out, I did so anyway! I don’t have too much to express on this topic that you might not have already figured out for yourself. But I feel like what there is to discuss about suicide in the epilogue is important, so it’ll do well to get this off my chest.

One of the most serious themes in the epilogue, explored THOROUGHLY in Candy, is about the Will to Live. The will to move on with your life and see the next day. This is disguised as a metaphysical battle with non-canonicity and irrelevance, but multiple characters in the epilogue have metaphorical and literal battles with their own hopelessness. Characters on the cliff-edge of suicide.

These depictions of the characters caused an extreme reaction in the fans reading the story. It can be incredibly distressing to read something from perspective of a suicidal character, especially if you’ve been fighting that battle yourself. However it can be therapeutic if you read a story about someone actually discovering a light at the end of the tunnel, no matter how dim. A fictional depiction that hits so hard, ending with a candle of hope, can flip a switch in your mind.

Let’s get into the nitty gritty of how Homestuck both failed and succeeded at giving a light at the end of the tunnel.

Skip to the end if you don’t want to read the whole thing - I’ve done a TL;DR.

So there are five characters I would like to touch upon:

Dirk Tavros (jr) John Terezi Dave

All of these characters warrant discussion in the context of hopefulness and hopelessness.

Dirk:

Dirk is the first character I want to get over with. Dirk’s an example of homestuck giving a hopeless ending to a character.

Despite Canon!Dirk’s struggles with his self worth, with the ideas that he’ll become a bad person, getting a nice enough resolution when he met Dave, epilogue!Dirk has lost that battle against himself due to means entirely out of his control. Because of how close the square root of Dirk is with “bad”, in the form of his prescratch self’s carelessnes and his offshoot connections to Doc Scratch, Dirk’s cursed with the inevitability of becoming that evil ultimate self no matter how hard he tries to be a good person.

Dirk is not entirely evil. He’s lost his humanity but still clings to some memory. I’m pretty sure he kills John??? But he wouldn’t kill Dave, and I don’t think - no matter what he does to him - that Dirk would ever kill jake.

Now, CANDY!Dirk. Candy!Dirk sees no point existing in a world where he cannot maintain canon relevance and seize the narrative. It would also be dangerous for him to continue existing in the world.

But the way Dirk’s friends see his suicide, the way this is played out in Candy if you’re isolated from his shenanigans in Meat, is a very significant depiction of people struggling with a friend who killed themselves.

There’s the critical failure from Meat in retroactively making this look like one of the best things Dirk could’ve done. Even if his friends led shitty lives, they led their own lives. But his friends in Candy don’t see it that way, and it wouldn’t be that way if Dirk didn’t become his ultself. As far as they believe. he maybe saw himself as a hopeless case and died.

Because of Dirk’s death Dave in particular is dealing with a lot of feelings. He’d known Dirk as a better version of his really nasty bro-dad. Because of Dirk’s death, Dave feels deprived of his friend and family member, he feels like if Dirk had been alive he’d have taught him about love.

I found this touching. Knowing how suicide impacts others can greatly affect a decision. Even Dirk, who was distant from all his friends and whose suicide protected them from his influence, ended up being missed for all the good things he could’ve given the world.

So, all in all: Dirk’s relationship with suicide is depressing. It was better depicted in the comic, which had a hopeful resolution. This epilogue shits all over that. There’s still some important messages however, in that Dirk being alive would’ve given everyone very different lives, some ways for the better, some ways for the worse. Dirk’s existence is not meaningless.

Talking of meaningless existence, let’s move on to....

Tavros:

Nope, not John yet. John’s going to take a lot of thinking. Let’s deal with baby Tavros.

Tavros is not a depiction of a suicidal character. He is however a key player in the “hopelessness” of the Candy timeline. John sees Tavros, and his father Jake, as in a hopeless situation. Tavros and Jake’s changing situation influence’s Johns thoughts on his timeline at the end.

Tavros is born into a world that is not canon, into one of the worst households imaginable where all the cards were held against him from the start. His name is fucking Tavros. That’s immediately dooming him to a life of being treaded on. Tavros lives with his mother, the domineering Jane Crocker, and her fuckclown, and while the other kids - Harry Anderson, Vriska - live spoilt happy childhoods, Tavros is never allowed to be a child expressing his individuality. What is his personality? It’s pretty much being a bit smart and doing exactly what he’s told.

Tavros reminds me of a more muted Gohan in the Dragonball Z universe, if Goku was a fragile human dweeb instead of a saiyan and ChiChi became Space Hitler. If Gohan never got those tastes of freedom when fighting against the Saiyans, then he’d have no capacity to stand up to his mother.

John fantasizes about helping him, and Tavros catches onto that fleeting fantasy, but it ends in disaster as Jade tries to reason with John that there’s no way he can keep Tavros safe, then John gets into a fit of rage and nearly injures him as well as all the other kids in the room. Tavros becomes scared of John.

There’s something here about John seeing himself in little Tavvy. They’re nothing alike personality wise, but Tavros is John’s full blooded brother, and what he might have become like had he been brought up in a dysfunctional home.

At the end of the story, after years of this treatment has led to Tavros becoming a very passive boy who has an obsession with faygo, Jake finally makes the decision to leave his wife and go live with John. Even though Tavros is 15 and his personality or lack thereof is mostly realised, he’s given this spark of hope that maybe he will develop a bit of individuality. After all, John sees him as one of the most important, devastating consequences of the timeline, and somebody that he must help out.

It is fitting that Tavros finds a record player at the end and put on some fun music, a self-expression of sorts.

Right okay, time to get into the meaty part.

John and Terezi

There are some parts of these characters that I want to write about in isolation, but their relationship is the major distinguisher between their internal battles and, say, Dirk’s internal battle. John and Terezi are examples of two suicidal characters who interact with each other. The interactions between them cannot be isolated from their suicidal subtext, because they influence each other’s outlook on the world and their futures.

I’m having difficulty, however, figuring out how to structure this part. There’s too much beef to get into if I’m going to discuss their histories. So let’s try to make it brief:

Terezi’s Context: Terezi has history as a character with suicidal subtext, especially in the Pre-Retcon universe. She was overwrought with guilt and grief, became alienated from her all friends, spent all of her time either in the dreambubbles looking for vriska or unhealthily warrowing in her orrows in her abusive relationship with Gamzee. She then goes on what appears to be a suicide attack against Gamzee, wanting him to fight back.... until he does, at which point she tries to break free, indicating a will to live in there somewhere. In the pre-retcon Terezi finds herself having both a “hopeless” and a “hopeful” resolution. She dies by her own knife, under Aranea’s influence - yes, Terezi stabbing herself with the other half of the cane sword is ironic on like 12 levels - but in watching everybody else die, ABSOLUTELY REFUSES to fade away. Terezi is filled with determination, and will not rest until she sees to it that John’s on his way to fix everything. After this though she backs into her depression again. One of these Terezis tries to use her powers and does not see the effect. Even though she must’ve known there’d be a timeline where the effect hasnt happened yet she loses all self esteem and tells John to go leave her to die. The other Terezi, in seeing John return, is filled with a glimmer of faith and sends John off to follow her instructions. I’m pretty sure the depressed didn’t die. The one who died in the chalk outline however walks sadly in paradox space, seemingly hopeless now her story’s ended, before reuniting with Vriska. POST retcon Terezi has a plethora of self esteem issues, many of which were exposed by the knowledge of the pre retcon existing. In the body of A6A6I5 she’s chasing the idea that the other her had “figured out” all those self esteem issues, which we know to be false, and Terezi cannot connect with others properly despite being so good at reading them. This lack of strong connections and lack of self esteem makes her feel a bit empty inside. After remembering the pre retcon then seeing the vision of herself and Vriska reunite, Terezi decides to chase after Vriska, refusing to let her die against Lord English. But because of Furthest Ring shenanigans, she can’t find her.

So Terezi ends Homestuck as a character with... not a whole lot of light in the tunnel, but there’s something there. That something takes the form of

1. The hope that she’ll find Vriska some day 2. Her friendship with John, a growing connection with somebody other than Vriska.

John Context:

You know what? There isn’t a fucking lot! John throughout the majority of homestuck, completely opposite to Terezi and pretty much every other character, has NO SUICIDAL SUBTEXT WHATSOEVER. Hooray, no 500 word expository essay! It’s not until the CREDITS where John looks miserable.

...John in the credits, now living on a peaceful new planet after focusing for 3 years on his sburb adventure, feels completely lost. Where his family and friends have met with the alternate versions of their parents, Dad Crocker isn’t actually John’s family, so that relationship doesn’t work as a surrogate for his lost dad. John doesn’t know why he feels so empty inside and depressed, when his friends are trying to make him so happy. But as soon as he starts recieving messages from Caliborn you get an indication that John WANTS conflict. He wants to serve a purpose. And the prologue of the epilogue (ha!) supports this.

He’s captivated by Rose’s discussion of “canon”. Since he’s tied to canon, he feels some responsibility for preserving it. But Rose and Roxy’s reactions imply that John is about to go on a suicide mission. John laments that he’s spent so much time being depressed when he could’ve been enjoying life instead. This implies here that John wasn’t suicidally depressed at this stage, and he starts to lament how he hasn’t put his life back on track.

So John, at this stage in the prologue, is a depiction of a hopeful AND hopeless character. However the hopelessness does not derive, yet, from any lack of will to live. It’s lamenting how he has so little time left. This lament is still related to the discussion of suicide. John thinking of how much he’d miss out on if he left the world and died. So, altogether, John in the prologue is someone who has a light in the tunnel that someone else might sniff out. But that light might still shine on some readers who relate.

CANDY:

This is Terezi’s chronological start, and the “meat” of John’s suicidal subtext.

As soon as John splits the world into Candy and decides to enjoy his life on Earth C, he begins trying to appreciate the world and get a taste of all the things that he thought he was going to lose out on had the suicide mission started. However, things seem “off” to him. He thinks Roxy is not in-character, Jade’s fucked up Davekat, Jane’s becoming a nazi, GAMZEE’S HERE which is an IMMEDIATE red flag, and everything is starting to go off the rails. John wonders if this is all his fault. He sees everyone on earth C as not being themselves, as being almost like “NPCs”. They don’t have the same reactions to stuff as him. They don’t have the same feelings. Except for ONE person - Terezi, who is isolated from all these shenanigans and is the perfect venting post, giving John grounded feedback that he agrees with based on his previous knowledge of the kids. This is not yet an interaction between two obviously suicidally depressed characters, but the idea of the world being “fabricated” and people acting “fake” is already here, and THIS is something a lot of people who have struggled with depression may be troubled by. The fuel to John’s theory is his position in an actual fictional world where the events are not canon, but even so, it’s still something real people go through.

I think it’s worth pointing out that John and TZ are going off completely different time scales, emphasizing the disassociation they have with the timeline. John only feels grounded while talking to Terezi, who is stuck in the past. Terezi is seeing her friends grow up into crazy-ass adults without her.

John’s depression escalates dramatically when he has a go at everyone on his son’s birthday party and nearly hurts the kids, then he felt like everybody hated him. This scene was powerful, but was also just like something out of a DBZ fic I read where everyone forgot Gohan’s birthday, he upset baby Goten (the only person who he felt unconditionally loved by), and then he goes to blow himself up somewhere. Yes, THAT scale of melodrama. And John wants to float up into space, to leave the earth, maybe freeze up there. He is now suicidally depressed. He feels awful. It’s only going to get worse for the time being.

After that point John turns to Terezi again and we find out she’s the same fucking way. Her journey to find Vriska, which looked to us at first to be cautiously optimistic. is a bit of a suicide mission itself. She does not intend to come back if she can’t complete the mission, even to pick up new supplies. Terezi is starving to death but she refused to return because she sees Earth C as a false paradise, a fake recreation of Alterna where everything is a bit too perfect and the people are too happy and she feels lost when she left the only route to happiness she can see behind in Sburb. Turns out Remem8er didn’t so much give her a new perspective as it doubled the dependency she had on Vriska.

John and Terezi connect with each other because of how they both see themselves as empty, and Earth C as empty, and John tries to appeal to Terezi’s need for friendship. He tries to get her to see the light side of living. But because he has hard time seeing it, he can’t express it. He tries to help her get over vriska, by saying she deserves better companionship. This DOES plant a seed in Terezi’s mind, the idea that she’s wasted her life looking for someone who has been a shitlord to her.

To an extent, they have been enabling each other’s depression. Seeing each other as the only “real” characters and discussing that idea, John going into how he thinks “everybody is already dead”, Terezi confirming other characters are acting strange and expressing how she hates the new world so much she’d rather die than return empty-handed, they’re lighting the fire to their own negativity. John’s in panic mode about losing the one outlet he has. And if anything’s made Terezi feel alienated from Earth it’s seeing how it is turning out.... But there’s not a lot John can do about this, because yknow, she feels the same way in Meat.

This interaction between two suicidal characters has a positive and negative representation of dealing with those thoughts. John’s begging Terezi to come back and forget about Vriska, which is a good thing, but Terezi’s too stubborn. She won’t budge. John has to traumatically read what may as well be her suicide message to him, further cementing his own issues. Bear in mind - because of her predicament, he has has been sidetracked from talking to her about his argument, and probably thinks he’s been a moron for venting to her about all of this while she’s been slowly dying in space. Altogether I’d say this conversation veers towards absolute hopelessness, at least for those who have read Candy first and haven’t been spoiled on what happens to Terezi next.

The next scene’s also retroactively hilarious, but that doesn’t stop it from being powerfully depressive. John find the car with her “”””””blood”””””” and freaks out.

In losing Terezi, who he saw as his one outlet to canon, John loses all of his composure. He is completely incapable of holding himself together any more.

Remember that DBZ fic I mentioned earlier where Gohan runs off and blows himself up with a suicidal tantrum? Yeah. It was a lot like this, but with rocks flying everywhere.

John at this stage is at rock fucking bottom. He’s completely hopeless.

Then 10 years pass. He’s been so depressed his wife and kid have left him. But... he’s still around. Dave at one point thinks John’s going to kill himself, directly addressing this subtext, but John was actually talking to Karkat. Karkat’s position as a revolutionary leader, Dave’s caring for him, and John’s presence at Jade’s wedding to Dave despite having thrown a mega-tantrum that made him think they’d hate him forever, all of these things are........ starting to contradict John’s idea that the world is full of empty heartless people who don’t feel things. John has not been rejected by everybody.

He accepts Terezi’s gone, and rips her picture into tiny pieces, letting them drift in the wind. This is the start of John’s progress away from his suicidal depression.

He bumps into Vriska, has a go at her about Terezi, then Vriska does.. THAT with Gamzee. Gamzee’s death does restore some peace in the hearts of the viewers, at least. Not entirely relevant but I felt it was positive. John’s been calling Vriska Jr shitty for all this time too, but she and Harry are alright characters who feel real enough to us as the reader. It’s now that we may be starting to question whether he was correct in writing off the world as his own bad fanfic. We’re questioning whether John is justified in hating Candyland as much as he does. If people care for him, if Karkat’s going to become Jesus, and if it birthed these two losers, then... is it so terrible? Maybe there’s hope?

He bumps into Rose who thanks him for everything he’s done. Rose is SO IMPORTANT here because she was the one who planted the idea he was in a fake world to begin with, and now she’s telling him even though it’s not canon, she feels happier than ever COULD in the canon world. John’s wishy washy on this. When he talks to Rose he feels optimistic, but when he gets back to his house, he’s thinking about how she just confirmed nothing matters at all.

At his house, he has a couple of surprise intruders. Turns out Jake discovered free will. John has some real talk with him. And while he’s at first negative, Jake’s infectious mood and the opportunity to give Tavros the life he deserves gives John that little push of motivation he needs to go speak to Roxy.

His chat with Roxy is the climax of Candy!John’s arc. She gives us, for the first time, a third-person perspective of depressed John. We see him how she sees him, a sad little man who appears to be blaming outside forces for problems that he isn’t willing to confront himself.

She TEARS DOWN his perception that the world is fake. She explains why she may have seemed fake and why he was a fucking fool for thinking so. She says she doesn’t CARE whether it’s canon or not, because she knows a bit of how it would’ve gone down, and it would not have been good for John or Rose. Roxy throws a great big surprise on us as the reader - she’s been dealing with gender dysphoria the whole time and overcompensating for it! Holy fuck!!! Our minds have just been blown!!!!

So the audience, and John, who have for this whole time been feeding into this depressing idea that the world is fake and it’s probably better for John to be dead than in this fake life, that everything is terrible.... Roxy’s rant makes us do one of the most amazing double-takes I’ve seen a story throw.

John..... sees light for the first time in years. He decides to take the step to work on his relationship with his family.

And then it ends.

All of this - Rose, the wedding, the kids, Jake and Tavros, Roxy - The way these make us revise our perspective on John’s depression is one of the most hopeful representations I have ever seen in media. An AMAZING turnaround for a suicidal character. They made us hyper-invested in all the bad things John’s feeling, taking advantage of our awareness he’s correct in thinking it’s fake. Taking advantage of all the nasty thought that may have crossed in our minds about the world not being real, about people acting not real, the little cells we build ourselves into...... and opening the door to a wide world with people who have had a lot going on that we’ve been blinding ourselves to.

Roxy going into how we have our whole lives ahead of us and countless years to fuck up, to discover new things, breaking down how John and Terezi think that because they hadn’t figured things out as young people they were never going to be happy....

Candy!John is an overwhelming success. Fucking KUDOS to the writers for this representation. But to get there, you have to slog through the entire thing. And there is a risk that maybe you relate to his depression, but not to how he saw through his depression. That would be for yourself to confront. For me personally, I honestly feel that this has given me a refreshing outlook. It makes me so happy to be writing about John’s turnaround after all of this analysis of his depression.

...Okay, fun’s over. Now to the depressing ending. The point where the epilogue kind of fucked up.

MEAT:

It’d be unfair for me to make you read through this with the bias that Meat is an entirely depressing resolution for two characters struggling with suicidal depression. There’s much that Meat gets right with John and Terezi. I think, however, it trips at the finish line. But how badly it tripped depends on whether you think the comic falls into the trap of suicidal depression, or just about subverts it

Let’s get into it!

John for the start of Meat is contemplating how he’s just launched himself into a bit of a suicide mission. Roxy and Calliope walk away without giving him a hug, which is... upsetting. Not sure why, if they knew he was going to die??? Legitimately makes me angry that this happened. But going back to the point - John is isolated in his fate. He does not have any friends he knows to back him up. He’s leaving the fake fake Earth C for good. John leaves notes behind for his friends. These will never be read.

Ouch. Off to a rough start already. This has the makings of an angst fic by itself.

When he’s fighting Lord English with all these other versions of his friends, he’s actually having a bit of fun. But all his friends die and you get the impression he’s very very doomed. And he gets bitten by the tooth, etc. Oh and Davepeta performs a suicide attack! Holy fuck, forgot about that! But there’s no suicidal subtext, Davepeta’s just being a martyr, so nothing interesting to dissect here.

AFTER the fight with Lord English: John just floats in space. He’s seemingly hopeless. He does not take any action to help himself, having sensed he’s got nothing to back to. But PART of this is the influence of Dirk Strider, planting thoughts in his head. Dirk wants John to stay there, until he finds Terezi. But John does challenge the depressing thoughts Dirk’s putting into his head:

Dirk’s relationship with John and Terezi’s depression has increased importance in the end chapters, but for now, it looks like he’s trying to get them to reunite. Is Dirk actually feeding their emotional dependence on each other? Even though we know they still have that dependence isolated from his influence, I get the impression he’s trying to make things unhealthy.

Either way, John has no willpower to go ANYWHERE until he finds her. John for these two chapters is drifting aimlessly, hopelessly. He’s signing himself off for martyr death.

Terezi finding John has equal meaning - she was willing to die until she bumped into him.

A mixed interpretation so far of the suicidal depression. They were both waiting to die, but the way John was going to die was so abstract that it doesn’t feel as impactful as when he was depressed in Candyland. I think this would’ve had a weaker impact on the viewership. But the moment he finds Terezi, it becomes a hopeful interpretation, and remains that way for the next few chapters.

On Meat 28 and Meat 31, they spend these chapters dealing with their suicidal depression, in particularly Terezi’s. She’s directly confronting all of those emotions, with a person she cares about that she thought she’d never see again. Terezi is still incapable of letting go. She’s still starving to death out here and refuses to return, but... she doesn’t want John to leave either. She wants him to stay. Terezi is being very foolish here, and it’s unknown how much the decision to stay escalated John’s death. It’s notable that John would rather stay here with her than go back to Earth for backup or healing, or drag her back kicking and screaming.

They’re still on the edge. They’re at what we assume to be their low point and don’t think anything matters, and they have little self preservation... but because they care about each other, John gets motivation to go back to Earth with Terezi, and she becomes concerned about his failing health.

John continues trying to get through to Terezi and convince her to go back. The below conversations takes place:

John sees hope in Terezi, because she gave him hope when he thought nothing could get worse. He values the hardass attitude she brings to the table, kicking everybody else back into gear. John thinks several times through the epilogue that if Terezi was on Earth, she would’ve stopped everyone from falling apart.

I think this is relevant because the scene in GAME OVER itself is an example of the characters finding shining hope and determination even when the narrative forces have taken a hard dump on them. It’s an important reminder here when John and Terezi are deciding whether they want to live or not.

And here’s my favourite part of the entire conversation:

John has now given TWO examples of Terezi fighting on when she just wanted to give up. And the relationship this has with the reader is Terezi’s acts of self preservation are indicators that maybe she does want to live? If she wanted to die, why would she eat fucking shaving cream--- okay maybe yes most people who want to die would try that, but in this situation she’s crazy and thinks it tastes like cream.

Because John’s giving Terezi reasons to live, she gives him an opportunity to live by performing some haphazard surgery and removing the tooth embedded in his body.

Following this, they realise their connection to each other, and consummate their relationship... in the back of his dads car.

Hooray, you cry! Terezi and John have found reasons to live - they care about each other, and as each wants the other to live, they want to survive so as not to disappoint. They’re able to connect with each other in ways they can’t connect with other characters.

AT THIS STAGE, this has an... optimistic outlook. Terezi letting go of Vriska is very very important. But you might be noticing she’s latching onto John. If it was left like this, and they went back to earth and fell in love or whatever, it might have been a happy enough resolution for two depressed characters. Not as RAW as Candy!John, but Terezi’s been through enough already that it might have been as impactful. And John’s finally getting what he wanted all throughout Candy. Cliche... but happy days. If they could’ve overcome their depression it, would’ve been fine.

.....

And then Meat 35 happens.

Soon as Dirk takes the narrative back he decides to start killing John with LE poison inside his body. John fucking dies in the middle of a love confession.

Oof!!! Well there goes any hope for John’s depression arc. But at least he was happy and canon when he died. It wasn’t as deep as Candy’s anyway, and we were expecting it. John’s death does NOT feel like a suicide, because he wants to live. So Meat!John is a mixed result for a suicidally depressed character; someone who was suicidal, but then found the will to live, and then had his life tragically taken from him.

Terezi though, Terezi who I wrote a 500 word paragraph INTRODUCING the context of her suicidal depression story, is now left with absolutely nothing. Because she had done a rebound away from dependency on Vriska, and now latched onto John, Terezi doesn’t know what she’s doing on earth. Her perspective hasn’t changed and she still thinks it’s very fake. She feels like all of her friends are embroiled in social dynamics and petty fights that exclude her. She feels like she can’t confide in anyone about the traumatic shit that she’s been through, including John’s death.

At least, that is how Dirk wants her to feel.

Terezi has a history of challenging the narrative. She rewrote the timeline with the retcons, but before then, Terezi’s spoken to people who have tried to write narrative prompts in her head. In this act of defiance, Terezi calls out Dirk for being full of shit when he tries to go into how depressed she’s feeling.

This challenge, though weak because we know Dirk’s right on the money, ends up turning this confrontation from a fully depressing one into dark comedy, not ENTIRELY unlike the scene in Candy where John’s crying over her... stains. Because Homestuck is dealing with a hopeless case, it can’t just END it like that. Terezi, despite feeling that way, refuses to allow herself to be seen as completely hopeless and gets mad at the author for reading into her like that. This is getting metatextual but the self-awareness in this conversation is an important reminder to the reader that this ultimately a story, and maybe Terezi isn’t as hopeless as Dirk’s making her out to be.

Of course, Dirk tells her that she can put an act on her whole life, and never be happy. Terezi... agrees with him, insofar as we know. Despite her challenge, she gives up on living with the Earth kids, joining the villain to create a new sburb session.

Terezi’s conversation with Roxy was dysmally depressing. However, Roxy was thinking about her and trying to get through to her. Roxy seeing through Terezi’s feelings makes me think if she’d stayed on Earth, they would’ve become friends of some kind? That would’ve been a light at the end of the tunnel. If Terezi had showed Roxy that John had died, that’d have been a massive step. But Terezi chooses isolation, leaving the planet for a new, more canonically relevant adventure.

This scene does make it seem utterly hopeless for Terezi, especially when Callie says later that while John may theoretically be revived, he will never be relevant again. So while Terezi continues to be relevant, she’ll be isolated from the TWO people she cares about most.

...There’s a flicker of hope there though. If you read Candy, there’s a scene where Vriska tries to send Terezi a sort of apology love confession. And we see Terezi recieving the messages for this!!!! But, she doesn’t read them onscreen. We don’t SEE her become aware that Vriska’s alive. And “seeing” is important. Terezi in the Epilogue is also doing some goofy shit. While life on the Dirkship is probably depressing as fuck, she’s trying to eat Metal Candy for shits and giggle despite Rose challenging her. Terezi’s personality defiantly shines through, when John dies, when Dirk wants to make her grovel, and when she’s on a ship with Robot Rose. The comic can take everything from her, but it can’t take away her goofiness. Terezi continues to live in defiance of the comic.

BACK TO HOW THIS RELATES TO DEPRESSIVE SUICIDE, How do I rate Terezi’s arc? Both in the epilogue, and across homestuck?

I get the impression the reason other characters have been able to move on from this stuff while Terezi gets dragged back into hopelessness is because of meta reasons. She’s the dark comedy, and one of the most continuously relevant characters. If things calmed down for her maybe she would be a less interesting or funny character. She’s cursed by her own relevance. Like Vriska, and John! Except instead of dying or being sucked into a new world she just continues being a bitter protagonist. But.... what Terezi’s story brings to the discussion on suicidal depression is hopelessness. The sparks of hope and self awareness presented at the end are good to remind the reader this is just a silly story, but there’s not too much light for her at any stage. Getting continuously trodden down, throwing away her own chances of happiness. Not being able to get over anything. Therefore, Homestuck fails to bring a light at the end of the tunnel for Terezi Pyrope, even after all of these years of going into this theme. Even if she has hope from Vriska, there’s the issue that she’s chasing after John like she was chasing after Vriska. Terezi’s fallen into the trap of being a character who goes around in circles with her depression arc. If you were personally invested in her getting better, you might be hurt by her presentation. The story tries to mitigate this by giving Terezi enough self awareness to poke fun at her own situation, and stop it from feeling too much like a melodramatic dragonball z angstfic like John’s. After all, Terezi would rather be tragicomic than plain tragic.

Holy fuck, this is long!!!!!! Thanks Terezi!

DAVE:

To cap off this post I wanted to do a character that did not have a direct depiction of depressive suicide, but still related back to suicidal themes and did, ultimately, kind of kill himself. Dave in the Candy timeline.

Dave goes through a lot of shit in his timeline. He’s in a terribad relationship with Jade at the start, and all of his attempts to seek advice on his own sexuality are met with opposition by... fate itself. John’s not very useful. Dirk KILLS himself.

Things go from bad to worse for Dave. He loses Karkat for good, when Karkat gets outraged at everyone for letting Jane’s bullshit slide.

Dave... does not appear suicidally depressed following this. But he is a very repressed man. And years in the future when Obama comes to offer him the choice of accepting his ultimate self form, leaving EVERYTHING behind? He takes it without a second thought. Dave is so miserable that he doesn’t give a fuck if he does, because he gets to become an awesome robot with awesome powers and memories. In the Meat! postscript, he abandons the Candy!planet to go fight the relevant fight in the new session Dirks’ overtaking.

Because of how detached this suicide is from the suicidal depictions of Dirk, John, and Terezi, it’s not easy to analyse. But I think that this would count as a mixed representation. JUST like Terezi, Dave has given up on his new world and decided to go run away for adventures elsewhere. JUST like Dirk, Dave’s let go of his individuality. UNLIKE both of them, he’s with the good guys, he has enough individuality to still be himself, he has ALLLLLLLL of the self confidence... for now, and he is already making new friends.

Unfortunately because most people IRL can’t merge their minds with epic robots, things for regular ol Candy Dave appear to have been so awful he gave it all up just like that for Obama. If it wasn’t so absurd, it would probably be depressing, and I think a lot of Dave fans who read a more depressed interpretation of his character might see this as a failure on the part of Hussie to depict light at the end of the tunnel.

Now we’re at the end of this stupidly long essay, let’s do a TL;DR:

DIRK: Hopeless depiction of character dealing with suicidal depression, when their depiction was previously more hopeful

CANDY!JOHN: Excellent representation of character overcoming suicidal depression, best in the comic by far

MEAT!JOHNL: Weak representation of character dealing with suicidal depression

TEREZI: Semi hopeless representation of character dealing with suicidal depression

CANDY!DAVE: WH4T

TAVROS: Not depressed, but symbolic of Candy’s hopeful outlook

EPILOGUE

Oh, sorry, I mean “Conclusion”. Except we can’t really call it that either. Oh you meant the ESSAY? Okay!!! Right.

The epilogue’s depiction of sucidial depression is mostly upsetting. It’s negative, with a not very hopeful outlook.

But what bits of there ARE end up being very powerful, in particular Candy!John who is the focus of this theme.

However, Terezi - the COMIC’s focus character for sucidal depression - does not get a good enough deal at the end to be seen as having much hope. The story tries to mitigate this with self awareness that it is, in fact, a story.

It does this MORE with Dirk, and Dave too. Dirk is hyper aware of his status as a fictional character. Although he kills himself, it’s not much of a suicide when he’s doing it to consolidate his influence elsewhere.

But Dirk’s depiction as a supervillain shits on a previous arc he had, where he thought he’d be better off dead than alive because he might become bad one day. Dirk was getting over this. Then the epilogue makes it look like Dirk would’ve been better off dead!!! He lost all of his individuality.

So, Dirk is the most critical failure of this theme. Terezi is a big failure but as always she’d be salvagable if there was more content. Candy!John is an overwhelming success. Tavros is a part of John’s success. Dave is in a weird place. I’d call him a failure though.

The lesson to be learnt here is that.... even though the end did some GREAT things, like Candy!John, it’s advisable to distance yourself from relating too hard to characters going through suicidal depression. If they are like Dirk or Terezi you might be feeling depressed yourself at the end.

It’s not up to the author to live up to the reader’s vision of how something should end. In this case Hussie gave hopeless endings to characters. But if you’re consuming media responsibly, you make sure you are not too sensitive to negative depictions like this, which while relatable are still the fictional musings of some dude.

It’s not fair to ask Hussie to give everyone a happy ending, if that’s not his artistic vision. We can criticise it artistically all we want, but we can’t call it unethical, not unless he’s deliberately aiming to hurt people. And despite everything, I don’t think he ever has been.

What do you think? Do you believe the epilogue team wrote a good representation of characters coming to terms with depressive suicide, or suicidal tendencies?

#homestuck #dirk strider #dave strider #terezi pyrope #john egbert #johnrezi #suicide cw

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(Long Post) Where to Start...

So, in terms of starting this “Pumpkin Timeline” project there are a few time frames I’ve thought about as well as a few worries/mysteries.

1. In act seven, the team at the Victory Platform is waiting to enter the red door. After the House juju is emptied, the appearance of the red house on the pad FLIPS to match the juju and creates a handle. After (what seems like) the kids all talk/discuss what it will be like in the new world they create as they speed up time for it? To allow the world to grow anew.

They then enter into the white house and that’s it for Homestuck. It kinda makes me think they only got “Home stuck” again into “Beyond Canon” as they’re kinda just.. sent out of canon?

One way i thought of using this is with 16 year-old Jade. As we know, after Vriska was impaled by reality, she was sucked into the Black Hole and ended up in the Candy timeline. Presumably ripping through reality, possibly with the shard that was sticking out from her. After Meat!John went back into canon, a similar fate happened to Canon!Jade. It seems like Vriska was sent to a place where she would be relevant, so I was thinking that this Jade could be sent somewhere relevant. The Victory Platform. Somehow perhaps she stops this by tearing through into some new timeline? I don’t know about Davepeta... I’m not sure if sprites^2 can die(I think the Troll’s sprites had died? But First Guardians are a bit different...), or if they would tear through the fabric as they weren’t stabbed through by it.

The details would need to be worked out. But I believe since the Genesis Frog holds the new universe then the doors would normally act as a gateway into it. The Epilogue world is described as feeling artificial, perhaps because of the change to white the Victory Gate changed to. Perhaps they never went to the new universe? The shard of literal space that pierces her can perhaps enlighten her and she begins to become a bit of her own Ultimate self, albeit not in the same way as Rose or Dirk. Since.. Calliope speaks to her through it, even though it feels like negative potential. Her connection with the black hole could possibly be the catalyst? Jade wasn’t necessarily replaced by Alt!Calliope by what the narration suggests, but she was used to get Alt!Cali to a different vantage point.

This would be a story that takes its own direction with new adventure if an Ult!Jade takes them all into their true new home. But.. that would be a lot as well, lots of potential. I’d want everyone from the platform to be there really. I’m not sure what would happen with Terezi trying to find Vriska, but as we’ve seen. Canon!Vriska is now in Candy. And she will stay there from my story point, as I don’t want to alter Candy or Meat, just expand on what we know.

2. Snapchat Updates. This generally means that the project will take place instead of the Epilogues. Even before the Prologue where John “dreams in anime”

This can completely change a lot of things. It can either pick up before the snapchats, or after with varying results. Before would mean that I basically have the project start when John is still 18. Rather just turning 18? But this would also be quite ambitious, but lead to lots of growth and expand upon what’s there and give characters more “screen time.” Less work than the previous one, but still lots of writing!

3. The Prologue. At the infamous Meat v Candy choice, something happens that’s.. different. Perhaps he chooses meat but his retcon powers don’t work? Since Meat!John already left? Perhaps not. But something different happens that prompts him to realize that there is always another choice and so things go a bit differently. This will also have a John that isolated himself for all that time still, possibly leaving more development for him on that front.

This is mainly where I would differentiate a lot of things. Perhaps this world isn’t perfect, but it’s not manufactured, it’s real. and so there isn’t some Ult!Self pulling the strings and characters can develop. I want the Omega kids to be a part of this project, but the shipping dynamics will be... different. As I’ve re-read the Epilogues, I realized some characters just don’t have chemistry like I thought they would. So, that is a change!

The big problem now is that I have to figure out where to start! I’m excited, but this is definately... something new! If anyone has suggestions feel free to let me know!

#hs^2 #hs^2 spoilers #hs2 #homestuck candy #homestuck meat #homestuck #beyond canon #pumpkin timeline #hs #john egbert #jade harley #omega kids #spoilers #hs spoilers

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pxppinmolly-archived · 5 years

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Shit Anons Have Said

“A bunch of shit Anonymous users have sent me on my main blog.

Mix of crack and NSFW Edit: I’ve come with more to add onto this post.

“Hot food, or dead food? Yes, the choice is mutually exclusive.”

“I really wanna fuck a doll tho.”

“[NAME] you'd fuck an actual doll wouldn't you? huh? dollfucker?”

“I’d let the lorax speak for my trees.”

“Hm. I had a thought. Yknow who’s a himbo?”

“I broke my tooth eating steak and shake fries.”

“oh fuck you have been gnomed.”

“As a child I had a crush on big bird, kinda makes sense that I turned out to be a furry.”

“I hope people label you as a God.”

“I slowly chased a stray cat for two blocks just to pet him and got a scratch. am I valid?”

“The first time I heard about rhinoplasty was wild imagine paying money to look like a whole rhinoceros.”

“I think you would make a really good god.”

“excuse me while I go fucking feral.”

“is it racist to assume italians can’t be vampires?”

“No earthly force can separate [NAME] from their meat.”

“Whipping my dick out won't help me against the duolingo owl.”

“clowns deserve better.”

“so...would like the cream?”

“I ate a whole bag of frozen peas today.”

“Have you ever eaten paper? Because that stuffs good. Recycled paper is nasty though.”

“Like come on what are these four masked fuckwits with mixtapes gonna do? Stab?”

“I've already disappointed you once [NAME], I'm going for the world record at this point.”

“Cruise for MILFs with me at Walmart babe.”

“How fat must we pray for your ass to be [NAME]. Let me know so I can stop before you get so dummy thicc, your cheek clap alerts the killers in your house.”

“I heard the guy that painted the mono lisa is taking commissions again.”

“Karkalicious definition makes Terezi loco.”

“Are you gay or italian I'm confused which is it?”

“sorry, the anthrax will take 4-6 business days to get to you hope u don’t mind.”

“great news [NAME]! I've decided to become an oil baron!”

“I cast Big Gay on you. Bzz bzzz bzz bzzzzzz!”

“When I was a little kid, I used to play with my mom's hair. I liked how it was soft, and it had a nice texture. One day, I figured I'd try tasting it. To this day, I feel the ring of disappointment in my soul that hair doesn't taste good.”

“the only right way to eat ice cream cake is very carefully with a bowie knife.”

“the clown religion is called honkism.”

“I'm not a clown but maybe I'd consider converting. Do you have clown religion resources?”

“You ever just eat an orange, peel and all, and feel like a God?”

“bozo is a clownphobic slur.”

“I ran into a group of juggalos at the mall, they were in Claire's.”

“ok listen this may be the sleep deprivation or possibly the anxiety of starting a new semester in like forty five minutes talking but 5 am? great time to be awake. my third eye is WIDE fucking open. sleep? government conspiracy to keep us unwoke. think about it.”

“You will sleep. Or I will put you to sleep.”

“Thank you, I’ll be here forever because so will you.”

“I’d like to offer you some Pepto Bismol chewables in this trying time.”

“If there were anyone you could vore here who would it be?”

“graverob my grandpappy, long dick.”

“the genie from aladdin is hot.”

“If I can’t pay you to kill me or flirt, what can I pay for?”

“Yeah but you could share all of your fetishes with us.”

“Ur beautiful and for christmas you can top me.”

“[NAME] you are the only one who’s allowed to kill me.”

“if you’re having a funeral I volunteer to be the dead bitch in the casket.”

“I’ll hold a boom box playing Dancing Queen by Abba with leg warmers and a torn Guns N’ Roses with tiger print leggings at your funeral.”

“I EAT ASS IN ALL FORMS WORLD, I AM BI AND I LOVE IT.”

“ Hi [NAME] I just stayed up for 35 hours and I hope you are doing well.”

“You ever feel like puberty really missed ya and ya whole teenagehood was a mess of unwarranted responsibility and shame?”

“[NAME]….. let us be the most absolute of bafoons.”

“Im very tired and wanna say. Minecraft. Also i would give you a hug.”

“Stuart little is just a shitty Despereaux.”

“I fucking hate Stuart Little. I know what you’re thinking, this is some kind of funny joke, but no. Stuart Little is a piece of shit. A damn rat got picked over actual children at an orphanage and he’s supposed to be a hero? And I can’t even tell you how many damn times I’ve seen a great parking space only to turn the corner and realise Stuart Little is already parked there in his stupid little fucking convertible. He took my wife and the kids and my house and my job. I swear to fucking god.”

“do you fear God?”

“It is 100% obvious that you are, and have definitely eaten part of someone before.”

“you kill it you can eat it, tis the only law in these backwoods.”

“I picked the side of being GRUMPY.”

“ I’m just saying, those boots were made for walking and your thighs were made for getting it and also I guess for holding your legs onto your body.”

“i ate an apple and i think i’m dying.”

“How attached are you to your teeth?”

“Why don’t you love my dad bod?”

“Sorry, calling you "Pope" is probably Italianphobic”

“Is babe a slur to you?”

[NAME] is like the Eve of MILFs. Responsible for the original sin of looking this good.

“Pennes envy is when everyone's pennes are rigate but yours is lisce.”

“They actually choose popes based on meat size! Fun fact!”

“My meat is huge fam, my buldge is the envy of the land but no one ever gets to see it”

“Mac n cheese n the sound of good pussy”

“Your Holiness your pasta is lookin a lil raw and uncooked is something wrong?”

“I'm sorry, I can't do that, I don't wanna threaten you, that's mean and you are nice and don't deserve that.”

“Italian Gordon Ramsay. "Ngl, this pasta do be lookin' kinda fresh doe"’

“We are all OCs of God”

“Your relationship with [NAME] is honestly very cute, in a similar way to two goblins fighting over a bread roll than getting into a tumbling brawl is cute. Which is to say, quite.”

“salami is basically dick when u think about it”

“Do you support breasties? Can I apply?“

“ im a girlboss because i knew that my last teenage summer was gonna suck balls for like 20 different reasons and decided to take advantage of that and make money while it sucked. im working 3 jobs and im so exhausted. where's my subservient malewife. i earnt him.”

“Honestly, who would you be without Electroswing?”

“I dont think it would improve the movie at all but I think it would be really funny if jigsaw got on his hands and knees and slurped up some of the "blood" and just said Choccy Milk to Adam before leaving.”

“You either die a horror protagonist, or live long enough to become a horror villain.”

“I wasn't the most fuckable bitch in the supermarket today. So anyways, I fell in love today.“

“I am on 16 hour sleeby schedule!! I am always sleeb. Maybe something is wrong with me!!!!!!!“

“well.... hm... are low level hexes more or less affordable to send? and are they tax deductible for that matter?“

“Damn, these bitches gay! Good for them!“

“can i use [NAME] for arson fuel?”

“They have Looney Tunes in Space Jam now? Interesting.“

“u tellin me a simp fried this rice ?“

“10 year old me also would have crushed on you and shown you my neopets“

“That being said, you wanna see my Feet?“

“Hey can I show you my boobs?“

“Damn, what a babe.“

“Okay, I hate ur tiddies, boo then.“

“You appreciate seeing a nice pair of tiddies right?“

“ ive never watched a saw but imagine how many people would die if the guy with the puppet worked in customer service”

“she took my fucking McElroy funko pops in the divorce”

“i'd let a goth bite me too. its not that controversial i think“

“I'm confused, did she serve cunt like pussy or served cunt like attitude???“

“im thinking. can you hold my frog while i think for a bit“

“Why haven't you kill me yet, why haven't you killed me yet.”

“[NAME] you don't need to change your Subway Order. Do not forfeit who you are.”

“Don't tie yourself to a sinking ship. You can change your stars.“

“You are more than your past.“

“It's funny actually, my tits are nearly ALWAYS out.”

“The binch? She is the Pape! Put some respect on it!“

“ I think Austin Powers and Scooby Doo should crossover.”

“Pasta? A nice alfredo? I dunno, maybe a ravioli, god I want pasta now.”

“ Maybe U were the one who was predisposed to madness.”

“I'm like a minor god or smth, I can't show up on ur quest unless you invoke me. You will need all of ur strength for what is to come. U have my blessing.”

“I change my subway order each time. I have no nostalgia for the movie Holes.“

“Stop trying to fuck the doll!“

“The way he is so.”

“Did you sing songs at school, we sung so many songs, I can even remember them, watch me sing Sausages and Custard“

“You looks like an old fuddy-duddy.”

“Flavour of CO2 bitch, I'm out here tasting gasses you can only dream of.”

“ARE YOU NOT TOO GOOD FOR SEMENS?“

“I be in like wally wonka lickig snozzberries//don't tell ur mum but I popped ur dads cherry.”

“ Im in your walls.”

“So which are you? A sussy playa or a pussy slaya?”

“What if you had some bitches, would that calm you down?”

“The Nanny was iconic.”

“I'm out here on Tinder like ‘who is gonna come to the flesh pit with me!’“

“Yeah but you have to be Italian to say the "fuggedaboutit" right???“

“How did 3OH!3 manage to beat feminism for 3 minutes at a time, every single time? By all rights, it shouldn't work and yet here we are.”

“Is it cause his meat is Italian?“

“Hey [NAME] quick question. Would you happen to know where zydrate comes from?“

“we all indulge in a bit of cringe“

“ I hope the bottom of your apples are jeans and your boots have furs”

“I promise I'm not a little piss goblin”

“i fall HARD for pretty guys with multiple piercings and way too much eyeliner. this has not worked out well for me, if you were wondering.”

“Vriska was hot when I was a teen, I don't think I grew out of that attraction to dependence and what not and now I just date crazy people which is cool I guess, we have a lot in common.”

“The biggest problem is the absolute magnetism of a huge broken bitch. I hate that like, as a person I am so predictable because that's my TYPE. THAT'S MY TYPE FUCK YEAH HUGE BITCH. It's just kinda sad is all.”

#ooc #rp memes #sentence starters #hey i did that.#going through my anon tag tho rlly was a trip cus im like #god this is my life???#anyway fun stuff

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snowtimeisbesttime · 4 years

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Thoughts and questions on Volume 10, routes 1 and 2! ...finally.

-Back in Homestuck both Feferi and Eridan got the short end of the stick screentime-wise, but here, they both got a nice bunch of much-needed Interesting Stuff! It's a shame we're (almost surely) heading back to Earth now, to befriend the heck out of the alpha kids.

~ROUTE 2~

-MC expected the Heiress to be super awful, and then Feferi has literally 2 good endings (whose achievements seem to be reversed route-wise?) and her bad ending you get by actively choosing not to further interact with her. And of course, she's already very much against the Empire, even if she doesn't quite seem to interact with it...

-Maybe I read too many fanfics where all of the beta trolls rebel, but I'm kinda surprised that The Rebellion's still a Vriska & Terezi only thing. Let's hope we get to see if Fef does join up...

-Looks like the whole “Witches living in the middle of nowhere with their extremely powerful guardians” thing is starting to become a trend, huh? In Feferi's specific case her meteor probably fell right in front of Gl'bgolyb (a pretty damn large area, actually), who would’ve then immediately gone “holy shit a sky baby” and adopted her.

-Considering that the Condesce can just come down to Alternia and personally get rid of the Heiress (singular, explicitly), living so far from everything was probably a blessing in disguise. And maybe also NOT being involved with how the planet's run- though we'd have to ask a certain Trizza Hiveswap about that...

-She was planning on waiting thousands of sweeps before challenging the Condesce, though iirc the whole thing with Heiresses challenging HIC was something demanded by their shared lusus... She didn't really bother with future ruling plans in Homestuck because they were going to play SGRUB; though Glubglub also bonded more strongly with Feferi because HIC was too far from Alternia... enough to actively favor her over the Empress?

-We also get even more confirmation that seadwellers are OP: Feferi blows up a huge air bubble (that stays on the ocean floor) for MC not to drown like it's nothing, and she's very likely even stronger than Equius*. Meanwhile, Eridan gets thrown through a party cannon (that was just there on the airship for reasons i guess??) AND has Daraya's mall thrown at him by Sollux, and practically walks it off, though he does say later that it was close. You know who'd be a Great Additional Data Point??? Cridea Jeevik.......

-*However, they would not fight, as they both stan Nepeta. On a more serious note, having Feferi interact on-screen with the other trolls would've been very nice... she's hanging out with Sollux in Eridan's route but We Don't See It... We know she's friends with Kanaya, and she also had a pretty nice interaction with Vriska back on one of the walkaround flashes too,

-On seadwellers in general- neck gills are canon (though if i remember correctly a Very Old Tumblr Post, that'd actually not be the best place to have gills? Idk tho), as we can see in Feferi's route; and then we have Eridan, who we know has spent very little time underwater in his entire life, with his scarf *and* a high neck shirt. (this might just be me but. wouldn't it be super uncomfortable to have clothing touching one's gills??? i guess it would kinda depend on the specific take on gills, biology wise)

-Feferi owns a ~fancy air-producing conch shell~, so that's that for any fan seadwellers that Need to have landdwelling friends over.

-MC theorizes that there might be something that makes adult empresses evil... something external, such as a powerful curse of some sort... which would have to transfer from dead empress to freshly crowned empress somehow... really makes you think...

-Feferi can use one of Glubglub's eyes (?) as a crystal ball from which she can access the Actual Dark Motherfucking Carnival, and get metaphysical advice from there. And the one giving her said advice is our precious clown son Karako, who may or may not have gotten like 10 degrees on weird meta shit since we last saw him- assuming he's the same bapy as last time...

-According to Karako or whomstever is speaking through him, there's a creator above this world's creator, as well as another creator above him, and another one above her, and so on and so forth maybe? Wonder what's this setting up for........

-Feferi can either meditate her way up through layers and layers of meta, so she might access them and interact with them, or choose to change stuff in the Alternia she knows and lives in, small as it may be; both these endings have a lot of potential for cool stuff that I hope we'll get to see. Depending on the choice, MC is either a cheese or a marshmallow.

-In Fef's bad end, MC wonders about the workings and limits of their plot armor; they do give it a good whirl in this entire volume.

-I am incredibly pleased to announce that the ally/eely pun also works in Spanish (aliado/anguilado)

~ROUTE 1~

-We find out that both Vriska and Feferi have dumped Eridan- the first's likely busy being gay and doing revolutions with Terezi, but what happened (besides charming quirks such as charging for listening to him brooding) to make Fef break it off? In Homestuck she broke things off with him as soon as they were in the game and Glubglub didn't have to be fed 413 lusii a minute, but there's no SGRUB in Pesterquest; we see Fef's mom in her route, yet we don't hear anything about Eridan's whole Orphaner Jr thing...

-Regarding his additional lack of friends: it's perfectly understandable that Kanaya would drop him, considering she had to deal with a lot of his bullshit back in the comic, but I thought Karkat was actually friends with Eridan? Before Murderstuck of course, but that's obviously not happened in Pesterquest...

-Eridan's 13 years old (and also in charge of feeding glubglub, let's not forget that), where the hell has he found the time to make a nuisance of himself (to the point where employees in some places are legally allowed to stab him if he bothers them) on like half the actual planet????

-MC's reaction when confronted with a room full of fancy clothing is, of course, Big Hype... And wanting something new for their wardrobe.

-so, are Eridan and Roxy nb wizard solidarity?

-Chances are everybody’s already seen this by now orz but I need it to establish a base: Hussie's made an statement where he explained -amongst other things- Eridan's deal with Shrek, originally from [S] Collide. That post could be summarized as:

1) highblood lusii tend to suck ass because of high expectations and low emotional availability, & seahorsedad wasn't an exception; so when the trolls were looking up human stuff back in the meteor and Eridan found Shrek, he saw him as a Good Lusus Figure.

2) Sollux, however, has a good dad that loves and supports his trans son (as sollux trans confirmed) and is also Kinda Ogre Shaped, and Eridan resents him for that → rivalry

3) (it's also confirmed that the eridan from [s] collide was legitimately so happy to be spending time with his dad shrek that he never realized he was dead)

-So: where did Eridan (more like whoever’s in charge of the cinema actually?) get Shrek 2 from if he's never had any contact with humans in this timeline / reality / canon chunk??? It might be one of the Funky Timeline Changes we made in Aradia's route.

-Also: if Eridan knows Sollux is trans (implied in the post but not confirmed), then the conversation the two have later in the route (and specifically Why Eridan begins that conversation) kiiinda takes a dump on his talk about gender (which otherwise is a very good sign that he's got the potential to be a decent person IF he gets his shit together and also thinks about other things -most obviously the hemospectrum- with the same level of depth and all that).

-MC's had their first taste of their Homestuck memories. Let's see how they get them back this time.

-not to self plug (too much) but one of Eridan's fancy articles of clothing looks a Lot like an outfit that's appeared in Mirrorbent?? (← warning for a bit of blood) The one with the purple and yellow gradient in the rack furthest to the right... the one in mirrorbent is basically Gramma Loreto Rights: The Jacket

-After the rollercoaster of hapenings that is his route, Eridan finally understands that he's got to change himself and unlearn all of Alternia's bullshit if he wants his situation to change for the better. Can't believe it took getting An Actual Mall thrown at him to make him realize that...........

-(That mall is of course the one from Daraya's Friendsim- and she sure felt like a Destruction class back then... 2x hopeprince combo mayhaps?)

-Kanaya said in Sollux's route that it was less than advisable for him to overexert his powers, and the only thing he *doesn't* use here is his psionic blasts- hope he's fine! (then again this is probably our last volume on alternia and blah blah blah)

#pesterquest #homestuck #feferi peixes #eridan ampora #sollux captor #pesterquest spoilers #thoughts and questions #wow sollux how come the writers let you have 2 big cameos??#there was an attempt at getting this out on launch day. and the next day. and the day after that.#idk anything about timezones. sleep time

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theorynexus · 4 years

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*coughing up blood* Meat 35... and 61 for me... .

That poison... what, gives you up to the forces that were infecting this universe before John returned to Canon? So it’s like he’s taking up the whole weight of the erasure onto himself as a proxy? Weird, unprecedented, illogical business.

As... only you have suggested, up to this point. Have you ever thought that you might be infecting the fabric of reality with your bias and seeing things skewed in ways that hey otherwise not be, simply because of the power-drunk trip you’re spasming cantankerously in?

Ugh... yes, he is somewhat untethered, and prone to distraction. Somewhat malleable, and historically, quite manipulated. It is not the case that he was either unremarkable or without any sort of agenda of his own, though. He would ignore people, willfully pursue his own goals, and most interestingly, manipulate others to suit his own designs. He was the wind in people’s wings. He was the spirit of adventure that kept the story alive, and drove it from its beginning with his whimsy. And you... you impudent little cur, not only do you deny his relevance--- YOUR CHOICE, I’M SURE, NOT PREDESTINED ---but you purposefully drive him to what amounts to suicide out of your derision and cancerous, necrotizing, mechanistic view of the world. You MURDERED John Egbert, Dirk Strider, and I don’t know how long it will take, but for this, I will see you BURN.

***clenches my fist and grinds my teeth***

***LAUGHS HYSTERICALLY AT THAT DIG AT LITERARY ANALYSTS***

***lets out a long, dread-filled sigh, and then very quietly speaks again***

Indeed, that is correct, I think. I knew that to be so when I read that too, and when I made that choice, myself. However... despite my hyperbolic reaction, I do not regret my declaration. I will see the end of this Dirk Strider, some day. A most deserved fate will befall him, when the will of the oppressed and the passion for freedom to be found in the world finally crystalize into a long-deserved crack of a gavel. Even if Dirk did not kill him, himself, he made him waste much of the precious time he had left, when he could have facilitated both the reunion with Terezi and the rescue of Vriska, among many other happy events. This John could have returned to the moment Calliope offered him the choice with the both of them in tow and secured a brighter world, beyond the two possible paths initially seen. Dirk’s spiteful, narrow-minded, vainglorious attitude wasted all of that potential to confirm his own biases and stroke his ego. He will pay for that.

***feels a stabbing sensation in my chest and struggles not to cry as--*** I failed to do so. ***sobs and shakes my head in frustration and anguish*** ***lets out a sad single “ha” at the way she worded having sex in the back of his Dad’s car***

... Fuck.

***stares at the words for a long time as my eyes blur with tears that slowly, slowly fade away, returning in fits as I go, and rub my eyes between sniffs to allow myself to press on***

***blinks rapidly, and lets out a weak,*** H-huh...? I, well... hmm. This... this leaves some interesting possibilities, at least. It gives some weak sort of hope for the future. For some reason, I could actually see a distant, “John, return home to your loving wife and daughter,” some day, with this strange little twist of a dagger at the edge of my spine. ... ***bows with my hands folded up in front of my hips*** I am sorry for getting so emotional. v.v

#Homestuck Spoilers #Character Death #Homestuck Epilogue #Homestuck Liveblog #Meat Epilogue #Dirk Strider #Terezi Pyrope #John Egbert #Justice #Emotion #Crying #Love

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charlesoberonn · 5 years

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I hated how Vriska "solved everything" and was pretty much allowed to do whatever she wants, Terezi just avoided her choice instead of accepting that it was Vriska's fault and lost her confidence in the post-retcon too, and that so many characters were barely used.

“Vriska is the key to the entire universe” was pretty annoying and went completely against her character arc.

Vriska thinking she was the center of the universe is what led to her being stabbed in the back by her best friend. John going back to undo that was basically Hussie saying “Actually, all of Act 5 is wrong. Turns out Vriska is the most important person in existence.”

#Anon #charles answers

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homestuckisautistic · 5 years

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Epilogue Summary: Meat part 1 (1-25)

So this is just my notes as i read it, theres too much to condense it succinctly. It will be very spoilery, and is intended to be a summary of key plot points for those who don't wish to read it themselves but want to know what happens. I'll try to avoid explicitely triggering content but I'll probably still describe what happens so be aware. Ill still make another post when i finish it with my overall thoughts

Number is what chapter it is, dashes are separate observations within that chapter.

1. Weird graphic description of John fuckin voring the meat. Why

2. -Jane is a facist now and xenophobic?? Amd running for president of earth. Could yall not with the trump comparison

- "DAVE: in the world that mattered more, i mean like

DAVE: the one i belonged to that i used to imagine had a real future

DAVE: that didnt involve meteors or a fish dictator or the american political landscape turning into a nightmarish daily joke"

Oh sweet summer child

-A predominantly human government is responsible for trol population control??

3. John punches Aranea in the face

5. Im p sure Dirk is a facist now too? But like that "cool" edgy alt right reddit type

-He. Literally shoots Jake with a tranquiliser to shut him up

6. John rounds up the other kids from various points along the Game Over timeline and has some thoughts on how hes basically pupeteering these kids to their impending doom

7. Dirk has the same condition as Rose, which she reffers to as "ascending to her ultimate self". Hes not suffering as much because presumably the heart effect of understanding people is less taxing than lights understanding...everything

9. Yeah as expected john and co go to perform the masterpiece and get trapped in the juju for "quadrillions of years from your perspective" fuck you

10. -Firstly chapter from Jane's perspective and OH BOY she keeps making casual discrimatory remarks, pausing to ask herself if theyre discriminatory, and then concluding that they aren't. Oof.

-"And the consorts? Who had even given them the right to vote in the first place?" OOF.

-Confirms that the trolls are not immortal (by Jane basically saying she could wait for Karkat to die off)

-"the problematic nature of troll reproduction. The first generation of natural-born trolls obviously cannot be entrusted to a troll." excuse me what the fuck

11. The kids can talk to each other within the juju and hear whats happening outside.

-I think John has blackrom feels for Terezi?? And also voices he might actually be depressed

12. Okay this was actually p good its all dave and kk being rly gay but still acting surprised when massively horny jade calls them out. Also poly Jade heck yeah

13. VASKA. Immediately after unloading the Juju she gets hit with some debris and starts being pulled towards the black hole, at which point john &co escape the juju

14. Jane full on tries to seduce Jake for his support and its creeping me out

-?? It starts to describe a full on fuckin sex scene but before they do more than smooch and grope Jake starts fantasising about Dirk and excuses himself

15. Rose and Jade die, i think Meenah and Vriska too? And ghost Tavros. Davepeta shows up

-Johm gets vored??? Well almost, he ends up with englishes gold tooth in his ribs

-Dave stabs le then dies horribly (all of the death is p graphic)

-Davepeta dies, dragging le into the black hole with them

16. Rose muses that the 12 characters in Complacency of the Learned represent the 12 players that entered the new universe

-The condition rose and dirk have doesnt affect all god tiers, its linked to aspect

-Actually Rose and Dirk have some pretty interesting introspection here

-DIRK IS THE NARRATOR.

17. -The text is orange and Dirk addresses the reader direct- what the fuck

-He basically tears into the reader for voyuerism and speaks with the nost intense god complex ever seen in him

18. The furthest ring is destroyed

-Dirk as the narrator talks directly to John but like. Is mostly still just the narrator. It's weird.

-John finds his dads wallet

19. Dirk can read everyone except Roxy. Presumably because Void.

-Calli and rox are nonbinary and use neutral pronouns! Calli also talks about cherubs not really having gender

20. Oh John's Jade didnt die i guess. Earth C Jade passed out and this Jade got flashes of her memories

21. KANAYA. Also it legit didn't occur to me that they needed to raise the mother grub for years before it could perform troll reproduction. Durrr.

22. John finds Meenah and she steals the ring of life from him (he took it from aranea)

23. Uhhh. Dirk is basically fucking with Kanaya and trying to keep her from Rose?

24. John finds Terezi! But it cuts away again before literally anything happens

25. Dirk blocks Kanayas number in roses phone. Jesus fucking Christ

-oh sweet fuck hes talking about Kierkegaard

-Theres this really weird vibe of him talking about how smart he is and Rose calling him out in how hes just a dude whos read too much Wikipedia and i cant. Tell how ironic hes being

-He keeps talking about how hes in control of the narrative down to allowing her to react and its real fuckin creepy

-Huh...i guess hes showing Rose what happens in Candy. He doesnt describe it but talks about spoiling

-He...talks Rose into ascending to true godhood, i guess. To the point where her body would be dead if he wasnt doing something to keep it together

...yeah so far Dirk is a dick

#homestuck epilogue

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fantroll-purgatory · 6 years

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@rice-22

FIRST: AU,fansession where there are “12”,(really 13) trolls based on Chinese horoscope

Oo, somehow we’ve never had anyone on this blog go through the Chinese zodiac? I think we might’ve had a few separate instances, but never a full roster, so this ought to be fun. I’m gonna try to tread lightly, but this seems like a good time.

Name:shū,i know trolls need 6 letters on each name, but im not sure for her,shū is the Chinese name of rat

Hmmm. I always feel weird picking on folk religion for names, but we use Greek/Roman deities just fine so I’ll tentatively recommend Huxian for the first name. This comes from Huīxiān, the Rat Immortal of Northeastern Chinese religion, which reflects on broader Chinese cosmology (which is why I thought to use it in the first place).

As for her last name… How about Glaber, from Naked Mole Rat. They’re remarked for their longevity and survivability in harsh climates, and it fits well with the Rat Immortal name along with the fact that reds are notoriously hard to kill.

Huxian Glaber.

Age:6 sweeps

Strife Specibus:hmm

Rats are well known for their cunning, so I think you should give her a trap-based specibus. Maybe trapkind with her specifically using sticky traps? She throws them down and then leads people into the sticky trap, so they’re stuck in glue while she runs away! Hehe.

Fetch Modus:labirynth modus,she needs to solve an labirynth and find the way to the item she wants

Maybe she has to have one of her pet rats run the maze instead of doing it herself! Just an idea.

Blood color:ugly rusty red,not like that beautyfull cherry red

Well now that’s rude- is that what she thinks of herself poor girl? )^:

Symbol and meaning:she is derse and i think she is a void hero,but im not sure about her aspect,for now she got the Chinese rat symbol and i want to mix this and her true sign

It feels a little odd to me to use just the Chinese word for rat as her symbol? Straightup using language words for symbols isn’t something Homestuck really does. I’ll try to see if I can reasonably incorporate anything with red sign language! But I’ll probably be taking most of my symbol design inspiration from Tachigami, the Rat Constellation, from the game Okami.

Trolltag:rodentTrainer

What about rodentiaCutpurse? Rodentia still references rodents, but cutpurse references her thiefy habit. Hey, maybe her rats can help her steal.

Quirk:hmm shE usヨs E’s facing on lヨft and right

I know this is probably referencing her symbol, but just in case we change that… Rats are known for their luck and such, so I think we should use her lucky numbers. She should change: Z=2, E=3, D=6, B=8. But she should also Never use 4, 5, or 9 and reverse replace those, 4=A, 5=S, and 9=Q. EX: th3 quick 8rown fox jumps ov3r the la2y 6og, 2q tim32 to 83 3xact.

Special Abilities:she is sneaky like a shadow,also she keeps live and dead rats

Oo, she could talk to the rat spirits and get them to spy for her, maybe.

Lusus: she is an rat keeper,so she may have a lot of lusii

I dunno, it seems like there’s animals outside of lusii on alternia? Like, we see Feferi keeping cuttlefish as pets! So she can probably have some pet rats but only one or two lusii… Though you saying that does make me like the idea of her lusus just being like, a Ratroyshka. Just a tiny rat piloting a bunch of other rats. Her lusus is very hard to kill because you kill it and another, slightly smaller lusus just Emerges.

Personality: she is playfull and loves to steal and sneak on weird places

Try to beef this up a little more. Is she an eavesdropper? I think she could also use a little bit of an interest in food because Rat Associations. Rats love, love, love to eat. Make sure she’s clever, too. Sneaky, good at coming up with plans, and REALLY good at escaping.

Interests:rodents,sneaking,exploring places,like your hive

Title: thief of void??

Honestly I thiiink she might have to be a life player. Rats are associated with offspring and descendants and that’s a major part of why they’re not only In the chinese zodiac, but also the FIRST one in the chinese zodiac. They’re the progenitor, the beginning. Rats are also associated with plentiful food, and abundant, indulgent food is a common life theme in homestuck. Rats are also associated with energy, adaptability, which are also common life themes in homestuck.

I think I might place her as a Rogue of Life? She’s a passive allocator, someone who moves and obtains, redistributes sneakily and behind the scenes. Being a trainer kind of helps this, she moves and transfers around the developmental energy for the good of all her little rat friends. In the grander scheme of things, like in the game, it would allow her to transfer developmental energy and lifeforce between her teammates. She could take life energy from herself in order to heal her teammates, or she could take life energy from enemies for the same purpose. Or she could mass LARGE amounts of life energy onto herself in order to make herself very unkillable. Her inverse would be Knight of Doom, which would allow her to use structures and inevitability as a weapon against people when she took life out of the equation.

Land:hmm

How about the Land of Generations and Ancients. The denizen is stealing the lifeforce from the consorts around him and so the consorts all age, live, and die very quickly. Huxian steps down on planet and within the first day watches an entire generation die. She has to figure out what the heck the denizen is doing and stop him, redistribute the lifespan to the consorts of the planet. And then she has to exploit the denizen’s new weakness and give him a good ol’ stab.

Dream Planet:derse

Since she doesn’t have any themes of dissatisfaction or hiding herself, I think she reads more as prospit! This would theoretically make her sign Arsci, the Medic, but I’m gonna be adapting several symbols together for her instead of just this one.

Design:

Horns: I didn’t want to get rid of the ribbons or the rat ear look despite changing her hair, so I made her horns rat-ear shaped and put ribbons around those.

Hair: I wanted her hair a bit messy- hair that’s messed up is often called a rat’s nest! I also gave her a rat-tail braid.

Face: Rats have those big shiny eyes, so I gave her huge pupils. Her smile can’t have sharp teeth, since rusts are shown having blunt or nubby teeth.

Jacket/scarf/shirt: I edited these from Jade’s squiddle outfit and Eridan’s scarf respectively. The Rat Zodiac’s associated season is winter, so I thought it made sense for her to dress like it was winter- that’s probably something I’ll keep in mind with all of your trolls. For that reason, I also gave her a regular top instead of a tanktop.

Pants/shoes: Her bottoms were edited from Terezi. The shoes are meant to have little buttons on them to continue the mildly wintery look!

Symbol: I took the circle from Arsci/Tachigami. On top I added the wings from Tachigami’s eyeliner, and on bottom I added the drop lines from the symbol you originally gave her!

Thank you for sharing. I look forward to getting to the rest of these kids.

-CD

#rice-22 #shu #huxian glaber #huxian #glaber #rustblood #maroonblood #burgundyblood #review #redesign #cd review #submission

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arrghus · 6 years

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Classpect powers and skill

So I was thinking about god-tier abilities in Homestuck, and it struck me that rather a lot of the so-called “classpect powers” showcased in hs are either A: a more “supernatural” expression of something the person in question had already been doing prior, or, rarely, B: a direct response to a previously established problem. And in aggregate, these feel like they point toward a fairly particular conception of classpect abilities, that of skills that are learned (or levelups gained in a special ability, if we want to get video gamey with it).

Let’s use John as an example. As the predominant early viewpoint character, his growth is fairly well detailed. As he enters his Land and starts properly growing, he goes from using the Breeze to send objects across his Land using the Parcel Pyxis network, to subconsciously summoning the Breeze to save himself from a fire, to subconsciously having the Breeze emanate in massive quantities from his very body to put out the planet-spanning Green Tragedy, to finally as a god-tier (and with some valuable advice from Vriska) taking full control of the Breeze and using it as a tool and weapon. All of these fall into the A category, but John also has two solid B category abilities, the ability to resist detection via scent, and the ability to turn into wind to protect himself against attacks. And both those abilities are perfect for protection against Bec Noir, who tracked John down via his scent and stabbed him in the chest shortly before John god-tiered, at which point he immediately gained the first of these abilities (he showcased the second when fighting Noir in the Furthest Ring later).

Rose gains dark magic from dark gods, and her experience with that magic allows her to use light magic after the timeskip. She also goes from scouring her Land for clues and gathering information from various informants, to being able to synthesize key pieces of info effectively from the ether after god-tiering.

Dave’s and Roxy’s abilities are both centered around doing by hand what they’d previously done with technology, Dave learning to time travel on his own rather than with time machines, and Roxy going from summoning objects from around time and space with her appearifier gun to bringing them into existence from the very ether by her own power (in a rather stunning mirror to her sister’s ability to create knowledge, I just now realize). Jade also follows this pattern, as her power to shrink or grow physical objects eerily mirrors the abilities displayed by Liv Tyler (a being she had a hand in creating) and are also the perfect solution to transporting the Lands beyond her soon-to-be-voided session, a problem she’d previously given some thought.

Jake’s ability to create a real Dirk out of thin air is preceded by his ability to create a fake Dirk in his mind is preceded by his repressed fixation on the dude as an object of romantic interest.

Dirk’s ability to destroy souls is an odd one out here, it can be inferred that he conceived of the ability when Calliope described his class as a “destroyer of souls”, but Dirk himself doesn’t ever show any interest in developing such a power, describing it as the act of a “cartoonishly villainous sorcerer”. How fitting, then, that the ability first be displayed by Brain Ghost Dirk, whose nature as a splinter of the movie-obsessed Jake lends itself much better to such theatrics.

Jane’s ability to bring first herself and later others back from the dead is, I will admit, a bit of an enigma in this context, as resurrection is fairly major mojo and Jane doesn’t appear to do any smaller versions of it prior. Call it the weak spot of my hypothesis, whatever my hypothesis actually is.

The trolls are also a little vaguer, since we see so little of their journeys into power. Terezi’s Mind’s Eye and her ability to manipulate the timestream through choices (which may or may not be at all “supernatural”) make perfect sense for her character but receive little foreshadowing. Vriska’s luck-stealing power seems a direct response to her pre-game fixation with luck as a tangible thing- specifically a tangible thing which she is lacking in. Aradia’s time stop... ok Aradia’s time stop I have not a clue how it works, beyond being a fairly straightforward application of her class description.

Do I have a thesis for all this? I dunno, it was just a pattern I noticed and I felt like putting all the pieces together in one place.

#homestuck #classpect #john egbert #rose lalonde #roxy lalonde #also everyone else

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birriabirria · 3 years

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ooooh a pirates of the caribbean style au mixed with the style of treasure planet? space pirates!!! vriska’s a space pirate yeah and eridan is a rival space pirate and terezi’s a bounty hunter (hired by a trading company? by the crocker company?) sent after vriska while karkat actually does work for the trading company? hm… maybe karkat runs a bar and it’s neutral territory. vriska and kanaya can’t beat up eridan and terezi can’t arrest eridan *or* vriska. there *is* a fighting pit though so they can handle their grudges in some way bounty hunters-and even assassins-go to karkat’s bar for work and the planets’ government officials don’t bother. only fighting in the fighting pit is allowed so brawls, killings and even arrests happen *outside* of karkat’s bar! the bar patrons are protective of karkat because his place gives them jobs, they can talk to their friends and other people they can’t talk to and they can get drunk and have fun beating the shit out of each other without worrying about grudges or getting murdered hm… karkat’s bar has a clinic in the back too? so people can go there to be patched up! and that’s yet another reason why people want to karkat’s bar to stay standing! when karkat steps out of his bar, everyone is on their best behavior so the bar would be still be standing and in one piece when karkat comes back! nobody wants to shot or stabbed or stabbed and shot by karkat! and oooh in the fantasy version, karkat’s bar is in an island? and this special magical map shows the way? karkat having a witch in his employ! and maybe even several witches, some physicians and maybe some farmers and karkat’s island basically works by itself! karkat also has a reliable source of deliveries! in the sci-fic version, karkat also has a reliable source of deliveries and karkat has a greenhouse and printer for clothes and objects and several rooms for his friends karkat does favors for people and people do favors for him in turn. karkat’s bar is a whole-ass criminal enterprise lmao

#drinks all around #my aus

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