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shallowseeker · 7 months
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I'm not trying to be contrary but I'm genuinely curious why you think Jack would be jealous of Claire rather than follow her around like a lost puppy.
I mean, he might try to be friends at first. Jack likes to style himself as a polite, young fellow, after all. Plus, he appears to be uncomfortable about Jimmy Novak, if you go by the script outlines. There'd be guilt mixed up with everything, too. He has his dad because she lost hers. Claire is someone he'd instantly want to protect.
But Claire is mean as a fuckin' snake, and Jack's feelings aren't iron-clad. He also can tend to get snipey and sassy when pressed, especially if he thinks Claire is doing something dangerous.
For her part, Claire doesn't want to be protected. She wants to show off and be the superior hunter, which of course gets her into trouble.
And well. Jack's never really had to share Cas before. Not like that. I don't know if he'll understand at first why he's so uncomfortable, but he definitely will be.
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Maybe you're right that you'd need one of those serpent tongues around to voice the most uncharitable interpretations of events, in true SPN fashion. This way, Jack's fears and jealousy can get riled up more properly (Claire, on the other hand, doesn't need any help getting riled up).
Instead of a demon or villain of the week to be the mouthpiece, I'd choose Dark Kaia. I mean, Dark Kaia is ruthless and cunning and blunt and cruel...and she tried to skewer Claire. Plus...
REGULAR KAIA IN HER DEBUT: I mean, you picked the wrong bait. I'm not the kind of girl folks come for. In this world, I don't even rank a milk carton. No one is gonna come for me. I'm not white, rich, blonde. No one's gonna fight for me. I don't matter.
Still, regular Kaia fell in love with Claire, even though she was milk-carton gorgeous. But Dark Kaia tried to kill Claire, because Claire was the thing taking her twin from her.
We also understand that Dark Kaia is jealous of Kaia for even having a Claire in the first place, just like she admits to being jealous of her world.
In 15x12, Dark Kaia too sees a beautiful, Claire-like face in a magazine and angrily shoves it across the table. Like regular Kaia, she seems to have hang-ups about the sort of person society seems to "instantly care about."
All that to say, she'd totally be the voice in Jack's ear pointing out the contrasts between how Claire is treated versus how Jack is treated. Look how soft they all are on Claire, how precious she is, how they protect her, etc. etc.
Sorry, that wasn't really your question, was it. The real answer is...because I like the flavor.
Claire is jealous because TFW gives Jack more responsibility; Jack is jealous because they give her less.
It's spicy.
ADDENDUM: If she'd been an active player in the plot, Claire would absolutely volunteer to "Kill Jack Kline...so Cas, Dean, and Sam don't have to." Dark Kaia would agree, and regular Kaia would be looking for a way to save him. If Jack killed Claire, that might be the thing that motivates Cas to act more visibly out of character, similar to how Mary's death pushed Sam and Dean to the brink.
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hollowsart · 14 days
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I had to make the Morbius variant of Acedia into its own post, but here's some funny concepts n stuff I came up with while working on her with a friend.
Warning for topics with slight discussion and mentions of blood and vampirism.. cuz this is about a vampire lol
enjoy my thought process minus my friend's input that helped with a little back-and-forth to come up with this stuff:
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tfw you're just trying to get some fruit, but this weird ominous looking older man doesn't hesitate when he sees you holding the last perfect honey crisp apple in the whole store.
goth as a subculture apparently didn't exist until the 80s in the UK with the introduction of a specific genre of music. the subculture itself is just heavily music based. it's not fashion based, although most who listen to the music will end up wearing clothes that reflect the music or the styles of those who made the music.
But that's not to say Old Man Morbius couldn't dress very dated and have a more victorian style of dress. gives him that "gothic" look
he stands out from the rest of society at the time in the 50s and he doesn't do much outside of getting necessities and then going back to his penthouse.
there were rumors that he was a vampire, mostly from the younger crowds and some older folks who loved to gossip. Acedia didn't believe it, thought it was rude to spread such things about people without any real proof…. but it didn't stop her from feeling nervous.
boi howdy was she wrong to think he wasn't a vampire.
He followed her from the store and dragged her into an alley and attacked…. taking the dang apple she bought as he fled.
Acedia hating the taste of blood, but the vampire-ness is CRAVING IT.
I think we need a better explanation for "LIVING vampire" as currently, vampirism technically means you're kinda dead tbh. you're dead and you're reanimated differently than a zombie.
I did have a concept where vampires can still eat and drink other things besides JUST blood.
They can eat raw meats and possibly blood sausages, too. they lean a bit further into being carnivorous, but they're not cannibals (not to say there isn't at least one or two vampires who may or may not have gone cannibalistic due to some kind of trauma, but y'know--)
Vampires can go out during the day, but they require coverage from the sun. umbrellas, extra long gloves, big ole hats with massive brims. pants, long sleeves, long dress, etc.
most tend to be nocturnal, but will go diurnal if necessary or for any number of reasons they may have for being awake during the daytime. (like keeping up appearances and trying not to seem so out of place to the regular humans they live around)
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AS IF I DIDN'T ALREADY HAVE A SUPER SENSITIVE NOSE AS IS
Morbius!Acedia is a silly fun "non villain" addition to this whole sinistersona concept.
she has no desire to cause harm and, much like Earth-4622's Morbius, she is more of a street-level hero. She uses this for good, not evil. and has her own issues to deal with outside of that world's "Spider-Man"
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Acedia: (airhead extraordinaire)
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you're not special, Morbius.
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me, who knows I'm hungry and should get something to eat yet is still sitting there taking +1 damage every 3 minutes that I'm NOT getting up to get food: …….maybe.. I already AM a living vampire? ..just without the desire to drink blood?
me meeting Morbius and he's like "I haven't had blood in 3 days, I am going to kill someone--"
me: ? only 3 days? the last time I had blood was uhh… 4? 5? days ago?
Morbius: Morbius, now feeling terrified, knowing I'm a variant of him: ….How are you still speaking to me?
me: I have other means of food that tastes better than blood. smells better, too.
I get hungry fast, but I still sit there and tolerate the pain. sometimes I'll drink something to kill the hunger pains. that helps me pass the time.
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sammerific · 4 months
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oooh 1, 4, 6 (and i would say outside of brothers AND destiel), and 13 for the discourse asks!!
1) Is John misunderstood or a villain?
I don't think John is necessarily misunderstood, like I do not think he tried his best as a father hahaha.. I think without Mary and after being horribly traumatized by such an unexplainable event, it was easier for him to fall back to what his life was as a soldier in Vietnam, and to loop his kids into that kind of lifestyle with him. He told himself that it was because he wanted to protect his kids, and to prepare them for evil, but he clearly didn't do a good job at protecting them since he kept leaving them alone for days on end and ignoring their phone calls.
I think he wanted to be a good father toward his kids, which is shown in that s1 conversation between Sam and John where John tells Sam he didn't want him to go to Stanford because it wouldn't be safe, but that conversation shows how John is really deluding himself, because the hunting life is obviously not safe either. In the end, Sam was right in saying John wanted to control him- he really just wanted to keep his kids hunting together with him. I like to think that part of the reason why he's so teary eyed all the time is because he kind of knows he's deluding himself, and he feels a constant guilt for what he's done to his family's lives. More proof that John is aware that he's in the wrong is in Lebanon, because technically the John that time travels to s14 is John during Stanford Era- so even after having that big blowout fight with Stanford Sam, he tells s14 Sam that he knows that he really screwed up and that he's sorry. But I think Sam and Dean know that John went through something truly awful, which meant that he wasn't going to cope well or be a perfect father- so they forgive him while still holding resentment for their messed up childhoods.
Anyway, I think John honestly had one of the best exits in the show- being able to do one last good thing for Dean by selling his soul, surrendering to the one demon he's been chasing his entire life. I also like how he popped out hell to protect his kids from Azazel, like even as a ghost he's still kicking loll
Basically I don't think people are wrong for not liking John- I just don't have strong feelings towards him because I find him kind of funny sorry... and in a weird way I find him admirable for being so stubborn all the time, especially in hell... also it's hard for me to project my own issues because John's personality is so different from anyone in my own family... also probably because there's not enough screentime for me to get truly mad...
Also not to compare John to Dean for the millionth time but I like fics that humanize John and show his love for his family while also showing his abusive nature... which goes for the same thing in Dean fics... it makes everything all the more tragic and emotional for me to read <333 and because it shows the character's humanity and capacity for change :)))
4) Meg!Sam or Lucifer!Sam?
Lucifer!Sam <333 We seriously need more Endverse fics from Sam POV where he's trapped inside his own body watching Lucifer do all kinds of horrible stuff with it..
6) Most compelling dynamic (outside of the brothers and destiel)?
Not destiel being off limits XDDD Welp I am pretty interested in parental dynamics, so I love any dynamic with the members of TFW and Jack. I'm mostly interested in Sam and Dean's relationship to Jack though, sorry Cas hahaha- the main reason for that is because Cas has practically done no wrong to Jack, except for not going feral in 15x17... come on Cas stand upppp I know you're a simp for Dean but I miss the days when he would straight up yell at him. Anyways can you tell I was a bitter cas / jackgirl before joining the fandom... I'm also interested in Sam and John's preseries dynamic- once again I am begging for a preseries reboot pls Jankles
Also on the topic of Jack I think the fact that TFW raised him up in the hunting lifestyle is complicated. On the one hand Jack has always wanted to make the world better, even when he was in the womb. On the other hand being raised in the hunting style put him in a lot of danger and other people in danger because he didn't have full training over his powers. Also it made him only value himself for his usefulness... which is why the s15 ending is so iffy because in the episodes right before he becomes God, Jack was going to kill himself to save the world, then Cas says that they care about him not for his usefulness, then Jack ends up being used again to take out God- sacrificing his life as a human in the process.
Being God isn't necessarily worse than being human, but it was just weird because they showed in multiple seasons how self destructive Jack was in order to be useful to the Winchesters. But honestly any happy ending for Jack would be difficult, and at least as God he feels like his powers have a space to be free, and he doesn't feel so out of place anymore. Anyway I think the God ending could have been okay if they executed it better...
13) Leather jacket or Mary’s ring?
Leather Jacket! I just love me an oversized jacket.
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graveyardrumbles · 4 years
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i am a serious writer, this is my serious placeholder dialogue
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luvring · 2 years
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Thinking about Rime and MC at the point of their friendship when Rime can finally admit to himself that MC is not the cause of his problems and that the two of them can be good friends, and that after everything, Sage and Anisa and Felix will need some time to work through all of their experiences with him pre- and post- death.
Rime needing comfort and only being able to find that in MC. Him appearing in MC’s room, feeling too embarrassed and ashamed to explain why he’s there. But MC has forgiven him, if you can say that. They know the look on his face, they feel the energy radiating off of him. They’ve been there before. Hopelessly alone.
MC wraps their arms around his waist, wordlessly. He doesn’t reciprocate, just stands there, but then they back up to sit on the bed and pull him on top of them, resting his head in the crook of their neck. They rub his back with one hand and tangle the other in his hair at the base of his neck.
Rime is angry. He’s done nothing to deserve this kindness from them. They’re doing this on purpose, aren’t they? To show him how morally superior they are? But he’s exhausted. So tired of making a villain out of MC. It’s sad, but he begins to accept that maybe they’re just a better person than him. Whatever. He needs this. He presses his face into them harder and lets them hold him.
If this is the love he can get, it’s enough for now. Maybe it will be enough for him always.
What . why would u do this /Pos. THIS IS SO REAL? idek what to say like,, underneath it all rime's rlly just...Hurt and Alone. tfw rime turned into an enemy and now that he isn't,, insecurity and fear take over because He doesn't Know how to Fit or be something different. he doesn't get the jokes and references they make, his suggestions are met with awkwardness, they ask "do you remember..." and it's something from before he died. the idea of him not being able to turn to felix (Yet) and his one choice being the person that has the most reason to hate/mistrust him. because at least there's no pre-death version of him in their head. maybe the person who'll understand me most is the one that's faced the least/worst of me
this is a tangent but that's soo something that connects rime and felix all u angsty mfs reminding me felix is never listened to or appreciated the way he should be. physically there and Yet. Different? rime's loneliness vs felix's ,, same spectrum . mc being the one they turn to because they see them for who they are and only wants to help them to grow rather than change . i'm gonna melt into the floor
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I feel like you've given most spn related things some lil spice but I always love the spice on this : hot spicy take on the "Dean is the most horrible character and ruins everyone's life and Sam and Cas are poor little meow meows who only do bad things sometimes because tyran Dean farted in their direction" takes that are not really only said by anti-Dean peeps ? Obsessed with that incredible thesis and would love the added spice ❤
SPICY HOT HOT GHOST PEPPERS CAROLINA REAPERS HELP I'M BURNING
I really try to respect other people’s opinions, and I believe there are a wealth of ways to interpret a story, and I think that’s a deeply beautiful thing. This applies to interpretations I don't agree with and outright dislike as well. That said, some opinions are simply and objectively bad, dishonest, and/or demonstrably false, and I truly do not believe you can sit down and honestly watch through the show with an open mind about all the characters, truly pay attention to what they do, say, and believe, and come to the conclusion that this show is about an evil manipulative abusive man terrorizing his pure and sinless brother and friend. It is an interpretation built from cherry picking facts to suit an ugly, miserable theory, making Mount Everest out of a bunch of the tiny mole hills, making the worst possible presumptions of feelings and intentions, and holding characters to completely different standards in order to neatly divide them into "abused" and "abuser" in a way that, frankly, fetishizes the abused person. I despise this interpretation of the story with every fiber of my being, and I have absolutely no respect for the opinion of anyone who peddles it, regardless of who they cast as villain/victim (because people have also done this with the others—it’s just more “popular” to do it with Dean... I mean... does anyone else remember how people were shitting on Sam after his emotional reaction in 14.12? Calling him an evil abuser? Because I do).
The thing that always gets me about this take isn't just how dishonest, unfair, mean-spirited, and compassionless it is in its treatment of Dean’s feelings, circumstances, and intentions... but how deeply reductive and offensive it is toward Sam and Castiel, sucking away their identities to turn them into effigies to mourn for their sad, Stockholm syndrome-esque attachment to their "abuser". Further, it grips the heart of the show—the relationship between Sam and Dean, and then the relationship among TFW as a whole—in a tight, uncompromising fist and pulverizes it. It literally rips out the heart of the show (the RELATIONSHIPS) and replaces it with something unprepossessing of any merit: A miserable, 15 years long story about a malicious abuser getting away with terrorizing those closest to him for his entire life, while his poor abuse victims suffer through until they die for him/happy to be reunited with him because they “don’t know any better” and never ever learned better, I guess. What a stupid, sad sack of a story.
Castiel is a thousands of years old celestial being who has literally beaten Dean into the pavement under no form of mind control, and has shown over and over again that he will do whatever the hell he wants, regardless of whatever Dean thinks about being sidelined. If he thinks whatever he is doing is in Dean's best interest, he literally does not care how Dean feels about it. He will nod and smile and then fly off and swallow thousands of souls with Dean begging him not to, shove Dean out of the way to attack the big bad, leave Dean alone in Purgatory, refuse to come out of Purgatory so he can self-flagellate, fly off with the angel tablet, help Sam with the Book of the Damned, let Lucifer possess him without anyone's knowledge or agreement, come into Dean's room under the guise of apologizing for ghosting him so that he can steal The Colt out from under his pillow and murder someone, decide not to murder that person and still prevent Sam and Dean from helping by knocking them both unconscious, get himself killed, make a deal to trade his life for Jack's and never tell anyone, hide information and worries and ignore phone calls, ghost Sam and Dean, and bicker and fight with Dean as if they are a married couple. Love sickness and feelings of worthlessness (which Cas has a wealth of reasons to feel—many of which aren’t even related to Dean but to his heavenly family) are reinterpreted as the result of some sort of constant, terrorizing emotional abuse. Power and authority that Dean does not actually have is forced into his hands by these fans. Maybe listen when Cas says, “Hey—not everything is your fault.” Maybe listen when he says “I loved the whole world because of you”, calls Dean a role model, says he enjoys their conversations, offers to die with him and dies for him multiple times. Maybe treat these feelings as genuine and valid and HIS and not as the delusions of some poor manipulated baby. 
Sam is framed this way even more often than Cas, and it's a damn shame, because what I typically see is this: Sam’s development into a mediator and peacemaker is twisted and reinterpreted as coming from a place of weakness and/or fear. Rationality, maturity, wisdom, and compassion are not the traits of a scared, powerless child. They are the traits of a mature adult, who has been beaten down by life, and fought and raged against his circumstances, and somehow come out of it with more kindness and understanding and strength instead of less. He has made his own decisions whenever it was possible, within the set of circumstances doled out to him. From telling his dad to go fuck himself and going to college, to getting back into hunting to avenge Jess (NOT because of Dean—Dean took him home without complaint at the end of the woman in white case), to continuing to hunt after their father died because he wanted to feel close to him (Dean was actually weirded out and sort of disgusted by this), raging and fighting to save Dean from his deal against Dean’s wishes, continuing to hunt and working with Ruby (directly against Dean’s dying wish), drinking demon blood, jumping in the cage, leaving hunting to go be with Amelia, coming back to hunting to save Kevin, fighting with Dean over what he had with Amelia and threatening to leave if Dean didn't shut his mouth, leaving Amelia to go back to hunting (Dean ultimately suggests he go back to her—Sam chooses to stay), trying to kill Benny, demanding to be the one to do The Trials and saying he is going to SURVIVE them—that being the ENTIRE POINT, losing that resolve in a fit of depression but choosing to drop the knife, demanding space from Dean (and being given it), fighting to save Demon Dean who didn’t want to be found or saved, using the Book of the Damned against Dean’s wishes, telling Charlie that this is what he wants—that he used to want normal but now all he wants is to hunt with Dean and that he doesn’t know what he’ll do if he can’t have that, unleashing the Darkness in his desperation to keep Dean with him and even saying, “I would do it again” in the aftermath, saving the town being destroyed by Amara, getting into The Cage with Lucifer, leading a team against the British Men of Letters, nurturing Jack, punching Dean in the face when he was going to sacrifice himself, leading more hunters, wielding a gun against Chuck... and that’s just some highlights. Sam Fucking Winchester does not need your bullshit about him being some sad, scared, helpless baby lorded over by mean old Dean who has never let him do anything he wants. 
Yes, in the text itself, there is jealousy and resentment at times, and there is legitimate and righteous anger on Sam’s part on a few occasions. There is blame cast on Dean by Sam for some of these choices/circumstances. Some of those moments where Dean is blamed are legitimate, and some of them... frankly, are not. Within the framework of the fucked up dynamics of the way they were raised, Sam and some fans bristle when they feel Dean is casting himself as the parent he is not, but Sam also has been guilty in the past of trying to reframe himself as Dean’s child when things got tough. Neither of them is responsible for the origin of that dynamic, but they BOTH have responsibility to change it, and they both, ultimately, succeed in doing so. For Sam, his part comes in recognizing and learning to fully own his own choices. Recognizing that he is not a child, and he is certainly not Dean’s child, and it isn’t just “Mummy—loosen the grip”, but Sam has to too—not claim independence only to blame Dean for his choices when his own decisions have an ultimate outcome he is unhappy with. That is a legitimate arc that Sam goes through imo, but he comes out the other side of it, and he and Dean relate to each other much better as peers from then on—and I’d like to note that throughout the entire series, when they don’t relate as perfect peers and teammates, it isn’t always Dean “bossing Sam around”, but Sam also trying to sideline Dean and yes—boss him around. And when they lied and hurt each other and yes, even manipulated each other, Dean most certainly wasn't always the one doing the lying and hurting and manipulating. Always, always, ALWAYS, they both had an understandable point of view, and it was complex, and you could understand why they made the choices they did, even if you thought of those choices as being wrong ones. 
I also would like to point out (because this is basically what I see all of the time) that Dean being hurt by someone or simply voicing his feelings or opinion is in no way abusive or manipulative. Dean is certainly charismatic and loved and his returning love and respect is often deeply desired, but he is not an actual siren, who bends people to his will simply by speaking or being. People are, in fact, able to tell him “no”, and frequently FREQUENTLY do. Further more, no one is owed his affection, his unwavering loyalty, or his trust. He has a right to his boundaries, regardless of if it makes some poor sad sap feel deprived of the “wellspring of coveted love” while he works through things. He can be hurt and angry, and he can wear his heart on his sleeve at times, and he can be flawed, and broken. [Insert Castiel's speech from 15.18 here]. So can Sam. So can Cas. None of them are manipulating each other by virtue of getting angry, feeling hurt, being traumatized, needing space, or having differing opinions or feelings. Sam didn’t punch Dean in the face in 14.12 because he's a cruel, manipulative abuser trying to force Dean under his thumb. He didn’t work behind Dean’s back with Ruby, insist on doing The Trials, beg Dean to use Doc Benton’s alchemy, use the Book of the Damned to cure Dean, pump him full of blood to cure him of being a demon despite the fact that it might kill him, or scream at him and fight him for wanting to get in the Ma’lak box because he “doesn’t respect his autonomy” and “wants to control him” and “doesn’t respect his right to his own body”. He did it because he loves him desperately, and Dean could stand to fucking hate himself less, and he fiercely wanted Dean to live even when Dean didn’t want to or couldn’t picture what that could be like. He didn’t force Dean to do anything simply by opening his mouth to voice disagreement and swaying Dean when he did so. Now reverse that. 
Cas didn't beat Dean into the ground in season 5 because he wanted to terrorize him into never going against Castiel ever again. He didn’t go behind his back dozens of times, sideline him, go MIA, all because he wanted to manipulate and control Dean and punish him. He didn’t throw sassy remarks at him to shatter his self-esteem. Now reverse that. 
*Breathes*
Anyway, fuck "X is abusive” interpretations. 
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clowntiggles · 2 years
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I need more dsaf headcanons omg, do you have any Henry ones?
Okay I need to preface this by saying that I hadn't thought about Henry at all before you asked this and I was worried I wouldn't be able to think of anything but once I started thinking it activated a fuckin' neuron or something and I went a little ape. Usually I edit my hcs and boil them down a little to what I feel is important, but I felt like being particularly mean to Henry. So enjoy my uncut descent into madness.
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Ticklish villains are top tier and that’s just a fact.
You know what’s just as good as making someone who’s always frowning smile? Making someone who’s always wearing a fake smile crack a real one. Hearing a laugh that isn’t just ominous cackling.
It’s great because he’s Dr. Henry Miller. He’s composed and dignified even in death. To see that carefully constructed image crumble away in a flood of giggles would be a thing of beauty.
His spots are pretty basic; tum, sides, neck, underarms. Might throw in shoulder blades as a sleeper hit, just to be quirky.
Okay actually yeah shoulder blades would be a death spot purely because he can’t defend himself because he’s not flexible enough to reach back there. Even without pinning his arms he would be useless if someone went for his back.
And it’s only made worse by the fact that even attempting to reach behind him exposes his entire front, so not only is it in vain, it risks putting him in an even worse situation than he was in before.
Tfw you reach back to get someone’s hands off your shoulders but someone grabs your arms and holds them in that position and now you’re even more fucked. Good times.
I don’t need to change his laugh, honestly. It’s kind of goofy on its own, it’s just made spooky by tone and context. Take his regular laugh, add a pinch of desperation, and you get the idea. Loud belly laughter.
Tickling could easily become a sort of hell for Henry because it’s like. The least dignified thing that can be done to someone. It’s definitely the least dignified way to be tortured. Like, withstanding pain and solitude is a flex, but tickling? It doesn’t even hurt, it doesn’t do anything, but somehow it’s just unbearable. It makes his body feel like electrocuted gelatin and he’d crawl out of his own skin to escape it.
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heckyeahponyscans · 3 years
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Yeloli Watch Party time!
So it turns out the first episode WAS on Youtube, on a different channel and with Portuguese subtitles!  That was great, since I was able to use Google Translate + the subtitles to figure out the dialogue.
True story, I downloaded the video and painstakingly added English subtitles, but DailyMotion refused to upload it because the file was too big, lol.
Instead, here’s a Google Doc with the script: English Translation S01E01
Okay, on to the plot.
Season 1, Episode 1: The Magic Begins
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Our story begins with narration explaining that Yeloli, the land of the fairies, is ruled by an evil queen who wants to enslave all humans.  The only thing standing in her way is a group of good Yeloli fairies who want to protect humans.
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Currently evil Queen Pandora and leader of the good fairies, Evelyn, are having an anime magic battle.  (Nice Dutch angle!)  Evelyn fights Pandora, giving the other good fairies time to flee through a portal to Earth.
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Evelyn casts a spell on Pandora, preventing Pandora and her army from entering the human world.
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Pandora’s like, “Oh yeah? Watch this,” and performs a curse that will cause any Yeloli fairy who enters the human world to turn into a lifeless doll.
Evelyn flees to Earh, shouting, “CLOSE THE PORTAL!” But it’s too late; all the fairies shrink and turn into dolls.
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(They do a good job giving the dolls a dead-eyed stare compared to the living characters.)
Evelyn casts a spell to alter the curse, so that if the dolls find an owner who truly loves them, they will regain their original size / powers.  Evelyn vows to care for the dolls in the meantime.
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Cut to Mary, a fifth grader who, she tells us through narration, is bad at school and sports.  There’s something very depressing about the matter-of-fact way she tells us she’s “not talented.”  Like she’s not even mad or sad about it; she just takes it as fact.
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Mary is minding her own business when a bunch of cherry blossoms magically swirl around her and lead her to a narrow alley with a mysterious glow at the end.  For some reason the first shot of the cherry blossoms is just . . . video of real cherry blossoms.  I dunno why, everything else is CGI.
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Naturally Mary follows the glow and at the end of it she finds a little cul-de-sac with . . . a doll store!
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Mary is entranced by the doll in the window, and if I was a little kid looking at that window display, I would be too.
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She goes inside, of course, and admires the dolls, which Evelyn has hilariously posed to look bored.  I mean, I’m assuming the dolls can’t move on their own.  Or is this a Toy Story situation?
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^ Also WHERE IS THIS DOLL’S LEGS?
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Mary hears a voice and finds Evelyn casting a spell on a doll. My favorite part is Mary sees this lady levitating a doll and wonders, “Is this magic?”  Mary, please.
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Evelyn then implants something that looks a lot like a spark (Transformers soul) from Beast Wars into the doll . . . and it comes to life!
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Wow!  I’ve only known this doll for five seconds, but it seems evil!
The doll notices Mary, who backs out of the room which, fair.
Mary apologizes for intruding and Evelyn is like, “That’s okay.  Want a DOLL?”
Mary says she doesn’t have any money.  Evelyn is like, “Well, you can still play with them, they love visitors. Pick one you like.”
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Mary picks the doll from the window--her name is Loli.  Magical light surrounds them both, indicating that Loli has chosen Mary to be her owner.
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I was expecting Mary to gradually learn the doll’s backstory, but Evelyn straightout tells her that Loli is a princess who was cursed to be a doll, who needs love to break the curse.  She says many children have looked at Loli, but the doll rejected them all . . . until Mary came along.
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tfw no one is good enough for your doll
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So you’d  expect this would be the point where Mary gets the doll, but no, things take a very weird turn. Evelyn says Mary can have the doll . . . if she signs the Yeloli Contract.  What is the Yeoli Contract? WELL, it says the doll is your responsibility forever and you can’t give her away.  
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You sign it via fingerprint.
That’s weird, right?  It seems like a mystical trap, right?  But the first half of the story frames Evelyn as heroic, so I dunno.  Just, if I had only seen the last half of the episode I would 100% think Evelyn was a villain trying to steal Mary’s soul or something.
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Anyway, Mary signs, Evelyn boxes up the Loli, and Mary leaves, promising to take good care of Loli.  
Mary heads home . . . until a mysterious voice says, “Little girl . . . Little girl, GIVE ME YOUR DOLL.”
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DUN DUN DUUUUUN, cliffhanger!
Some thoughts:
- Is Evelyn a fairy?  Or is she an Earth woman who knows magic? Why wasn’t she transformed into a doll with the rest of them?
- She brought Red-Eyes-Evil-Doll to life...  Is that doll a fairy, or can Evelyn bring regular dolls to life?  Red-Eyes could move / speak on her own, so maybe the fairy dolls DO all move when kids aren’t looking?
- Even though the CGI is older, the storyboarding, facial expressions, and movement are quite good, which is the key to being able to suspend disbelief. (Same reason I think Beast Wars made better use of their CGI than Siege, even though Siege is better in a technical sense... BW REALLY put effort into their facial & movement animations, while Siege was pretty lazy about it.)
- I like the shamelessness of the marketing. This is beyond “Cartoon shows character to get you to buy toy” . . . The ACTUAL DOLLS are magic and they need a child’s love to save them.  Amazing.
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verobatto · 3 years
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Look at me.
Destiel feelings!
Destiel meta. TFW meta. Meta spec. 15x17 meta.
Hello my friends! Tonight's episode had been a real roll coaster, i will try to convey here is just one analysis all the thoughts and feelings I had while watching it, put the clown mask on.
The purge, the purity
The idea of resetting the world, to come back at the beginning, to put everything where it's belong, as an image of PURGE or Purity, or trying to rewrite history, is on the air since season 14 with the apparition of Michael!Dean and his idea of purity.
The orchid in Amara's hands means purity, just like the ring AUMichael carried, or the picture in Amara's room in episode 15x03: Vishnu. As I told you in my meta here, she was linked with this goddess, the hindi goddess Vishnu, who has orchids in her image.
So the idea of purge the world, is the idea of Chuck of the end. But is not gonna happen.
Jack is like Cas, Sam and Dean. But mostly, like Dean.
Jack is the representation of unity. He conveys in his own self light and darkness, Heaven, Humanity and Hell, but he also is DEAN, SAM AND CAS in one.
The writers had shown in previous episodes how Jack mirrored each one's mannerisms.
But Jack will always look at Dean to take decisions. Because Castiel considers Dean his role model. So, when Jack says to Dean: I'm like you, for the second time, he said it in episode 14x07 before dying, just like now, driving baby, remember? Dean's dad mode came back again, BUT, Dean understands is the only way: SELF SACRIFICE PATH had always been the way Dean Winchester sees the solution. Not this time.
Lie to manipulate: Billie and Chuck
The same manipulative speech we heard from Billie to TFW and now the Empty, it was like hearing Chuck talking, and this time, God used that speech again to convince his sister to be one with him.
Remember when I said I didn't like hearing Billie talking like that? And that she gave me goosebumps? Okay, I think I was right, because she's the other Villain.
Destiel mirror
Adam, the first man, a representation of HUMANITY dressed in green, was lovey dovey with Seraphine, an ang dressed in pink and blue (happiness and Cas).
Is this maybe the last Destiel mirror we will see?
It proves they went against Heaven's rules, just like Cas, but they went way forther than that. The kissing and intimacy they showed shamelessly in front of Dean and Jack, was just because the freedom from an angel choosing to be romantically involved with a human, breaking the Sacred Oath, is possible. So Dean was watching that with round eyes. I know he was learning it wasn't impossible to have that kind of intimacy with an angel.
The chalice and the Sacrifice
When Sam and Cas were searching for the key to open Billie's library, both of them touched the chalice. The chalice is a representation of sacrifice, the last dinner, in which Jesus ate with his apostles for last time. It carries the blood of Christ that saved humanity. So, my meta spec brain went, okay, Cas is gonna "die" or Sacrifice himself in episode 15x18, but Sam?
And then I recalled my other spec about DEAN REMAINING ALONE at some point in the show, remember how many times I repeated this in season 14? So... Then is Sam gonna die again? And then Dean saving us all with that thing about the reset button? A second chance against Chuck? Let's see.
Gif set credit @supernaturaldaily 👇
The angel with a crack in his chassis, and the one who gripped Dean tight and raised him from perdition.
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Why did Chuck say this? Just like Michael, who mocked Cas and Dean, and just like everyone who mocked Cas and Dean's relationship, Chuck did it too.
Chuck hates Castiel because he can't write his steps, the angel that never obey or never follow the script. He showed us that with these words too.
Chuck KNOWS about their love that transcends it all. And like Amara and Dean, he didn't write about it. Because they're real.
But, but, but IS IMPORTANT. Is another call back to DEAN AND CAS PROFOUND BOND.
Is a reminder of their lace. Is gonna be very important at the end of it. Is gonna be pivotal to save Castiel. Dean will find him again. But this time they will be like one.
Because when Chuck was convincing Amara to be one with him, he promised her balance, but mostly, PEACE AND HAPPINESS FOR THE ETERNITY. BE ONE.
Is the same Amara wanted with Dean, but but, is also another clue for my Destiel End Game spec: SHARING VESSEL.
Destiel Looks
Everytime Sam said something very meaningful tryng to convince Dean to not follow Billie's orders, the scene was mixed with the manipulative speech from Chuck to Amara, to show us the difference between TRUTH and LIES. But also, to show us how Dean looked at Cas and Cas looked at Dean.
When Sam mentioned EILEEN IS GONNA DIE AGAIN. Dean watched his angel. He doesn't want that to happen again, because he would be a dead too with him.
Then Sam says, will you trade me? And Dean looks at Cas again.
Your whole life you protected me: Here, Sam is calling out The Big Protector, is time to Dean to relay on other, to trust in Sam, in Cas. He needs to abbandon that weight on his shoulder of always being the one sacrificing, or giving his life, or protecting everyone. The Big Protector idea, built by his father in Dean's mind, needs to go and die. They're a family, they're all heros.
WhenDean said JACK IS NOT FAMILY, it was his way to mentally avoid the fact they're gonna lose their child again. He needed to put Jack in that position, in the NOT FAMILY place, because it hurts too much for him, and for everyone, to lose the kid.
But truth can't be avoided. Dean can't avoid the fact Jack is family, he can't avoid the fact Sam is a grown up man who can come out with the perfect plan, a second chance, a second way to do things, he can't avoid the fact HE IS IN LOVE WITH CASTIEL. Just like Dean is facing each spot in his mind, letting the truth to enlight them, he will face the fact HE LOVES HIS ANGEL. And then, we will have our so waited I LOVE YOU, in the precise time he will need to say it to save him.
To Conclude:
This episode showed us Billie is the other Villain, so, they need to find another way.
Destiel is coming, next episode we are gonna die, but then we will relive when Dean and Cas find each other again, in one vessel, to share their lives for eternity.
And if this doesn't happen, then I will write a fic to all of you.
Love you! See you soon!
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e4rlgr3y · 3 years
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my suptober20 masterpost of fics!!
just wanted to say thank you to @winchester-reload for the amazing prompt list & for being so supportive of everyone's submissions!! they’ve got a lot of people’s awesome work on their page for you to check out as well ♡ 
Here's the complete series on ao3 Here's where you can find all of them on tumblr
bold ones are the most popular according to my ao3
Take a Walk — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: on the road again | wc: 325 | gen: dean winchester, john winchester summary: After a hunt, dean accidentally gets himself kicked out of the motel they're staying at.
Suddenly I Saw You — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: earth | wc: 613 | destiel au, first meeting summary: From Castiel's post in Heaven, there is a great telescope that allows him to see down to Earth.
Thirst — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: demonic | wc: 438 | au, demon blood addict!sam, demon!dean summary: Cas and Dean confront Sam after finally tracking him down.
The Soulmate Bond Joke — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: branded | wc: 202 | destiel, chuck, soulmate bond summary: With Cas cornered, Chuck reveals his plan to get rid of Cas for good.
Stay Here — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: daydream | wc: 500 | dead!dean, heaven au summary: Dean wakes up in Heaven, and does his best to get the hell out of there. Castiel is assigned to make him stay.
Awesome Mask — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: mask | wc: 565 | halloween costumes, case fic, destiel + sam summary: Dean has a little too much fun on a case.
Endearing — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: domestic | wc: 1k | destiel fluff, movie night summary: Restless, Dean stays up to watch a movie and Cas joins.
Right in the Heart — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: heartless | wc: 792 | bi!dean, case fic, minor destiel + sam summary: After a close run-in with a werewolf, Dean convinces Sam and Cas to go on a case with him to forget about it.
Electric — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: electric | wc: 238 | domestic fluff, destiel summary: Dean shows Cas his new guitar.
A Sweet Ride — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: sweet rides | wc: 374 | cas pov, destiel + sam summary: Cas reflects on what he likes about earth.
All the Good Times — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: rock n’ roll | wc: 506 | destiel, first kiss summary: Dean gets a little distracted by Led Zeppelin while on the road.
Not Just A Gift — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: rewind | wc: 1.5k | sam + destiel, the mixtape summary: Sam finds out about the mixtape Dean made for Cas and thinks he might just lose it because of how clueless those two are.
Come Home — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: ladies | wc: 832 | dreamhunter summary: Claire comes back home from her lead on Dark!Kaia, only to find the house eerily quiet.
The Issue — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: fun and games | wc: 323 | pre-case fic, meddling!sam, destiel summary: Dean argues that the fake-dating thing is a bad idea.
All of My Eyes — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: third eye | wc: 353 | mentions of cas’ true form, destiel summary: Cas tells Dean a little bit about his true form.
To Switch Places — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: switch it up! | wc: 2.1k | 15x15 coda, body swap, destiel summary: 15x15 coda (sort of) wherein Dean accidentally flips a switch that puts him in Cas’ body, and vice versa.
Seasons Change — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: autumn invading | wc: 467 | cas’ pov, first kiss, apologies, destiel sumary: Cas reflects on that autumn so long ago when he had betrayed Sam, Dean, and Bobby. He thinks maybe this autumn will be better.
Crack of Lightning — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: dark and stormy night | wc: 1.4k | fluff, hurt/comfort, tfw 2.0, destiel, cas’ wings summary: A storm comes down on the apple orchard and Cas injures his wing protecting Dean.
Half Empty — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: pour one out | wc: 140 | angst, canon divergence, sam and dean summary: Dean asks Sam for a drink after gruesome events.
To Welcome Home — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: home | wc: 1.4k | 15x14 coda, fluff, destiel summary: Dean asks Mrs. Butters to help him with one last thing before she goes: a welcome party for one angel Castiel.
If You Give Me One Last Try — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: fear | wc: 1.1k | angel au, angel!dean, fear of flying, destiel summary: Dean remembers falling, and he remembers his reasons for doing so. He's fine with living the rest of his life on earth, but Castiel thinks otherwise.
Melt the Ice — (tumblr | ao3)  prompt: I cursed the gloom that set upon us... | wc: 1k | hurt/comfort, destiel summary: Dean regrets an argument he has with Cas and attempts to fix it.
Ever — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: favorite | wc: 657 | destiel + meddling!jack, fluff summary: Jack tells Dean about Castiel's favorites.
Mess With A Winchester... — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: family business | wc: 837 | tfw, destiel summary: When Cas is injured by an angel, Sam and Dean tell him why they want to get revenge.
This Broken Thing Between Us — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: villain | wc: 891 | destiel, enemies to lovers au summary: Dean hates the angel that pulled him from hell, but his help is needed in saving Sam.
Get It Out — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: walk of shame | wc: 1k | case fic, destiel summary: Cas and Dean try to clean up after a run in with their monster of the week.
Identifiable — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: banquet | wc: 923 | destiel + sam, mentions of cas’ angel rank summary: Cas invites Sam and Dean to an angel banquet.
The Scream — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: hellscape | wc: 616 | destiel + rowena summary: Back in Hell, Rowena catches up on how Cas and Dean are doing.
Tethered — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: fragile | wc: 382 | 15x17 coda, dean’s pov, destiel summary: Dean deals with the revelation that Chuck said about Cas. 
The Story Already Exists — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: dress up | wc: 2.4k | tfw 2.0, meddling!sam and jack, destiel summary: Jack asks Sam, Dean, and Cas to play dress up with him.
Pilot — (tumblr | ao3) prompt: carry on | wc: 378 | post-canon, jack kline, claire novak summary: Jack receives an unexpected visitor in the middle of the night.
likes/reblogs/kudos appreciated! & let me know if you’d like to be added to my tag list! I’m going to be opening up my ask box for fic requests now that suptober is over, so feel free to send me something there as well ((:
tag list under the cut ♡ 
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silenthillmutual · 4 years
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[ID: Anonymous said: this isnt like, a demand or request, just an expression of interest - you mentioned in your daniil-is-autistic post that you also think artemy is neurodivergent, and i would really enjoy seeing a similar post on that topic. thank you, have a nice day.]
(anon is referring to this post!)
i do have some thoughts that i would like to share about that topic! however comma, it probably will not be as in-depth as my post about daniil, as i am myself autistic and have had a couple years since being diagnosed to ruminate on places where that has affected my life, and so it’s easier to write about coming from a place of personal experience. i can do the same with depression, for the same reason.
i have a couple of ideas about what artemy could have:
adhd
ptsd
ocd
i won’t really be going into ptsd or ocd on this post because i feel like it’s more difficult to point the ptsd out (artemy doesn’t talk much about or flashback at all to being on the front) and because i think ocd should have its own post. it is severely misunderstood, even by other neurodivergent people. plus i think all four of the healers have it (or aspects of it), and this post is about artemy.
i feel like… something about the dsmv diagnostic criteria for adhd feels condescending to me, like it feels the way it’s worded places a lot of the blame on the person who has it? and some of the criteria like “fails to follow through on instructions”, “does not seem to listen when spoken to directly”, “has trouble holding attention on tasks” can depend greatly on the player. not as much of that is baked into artemy’s character and dialogue in the same way that social ineptitude, which is a core feature of autism, is baked into daniil’s character and dialogue.
with that being said: while i will include a few things from the diagnostic dsmv diagnositic criteria as listed on the cdc website, i am going to primarily be thinking about accounts from people with adhd. i have several friends with adhd (and i suspect that i may have it, though i’ve only come to suspect this recently and have had less time to think on it) whose experiences i will be taking into account.
other links to sources i am referring to: [adhd/autism venn diagram by tfw-adhd]  [what those symptoms look like in adults, by chadd]  [ptsd criteria on brainline]  [ocd criteria on beyondocd]
vague spoilers for pathologic classic & pathologic 2
very briefly & quickly: ptsd & ocd
the problem with going into it is this game is already a very difficult and anxiety-inducing world because of the plague and i’d argue that any of the healers could have one or both of these either before the outbreak or after it, so here are some things that stick out to me for
ptsd - overly negative thoughts or assumptions about oneself or the world (can overlap with adhd; artemy has the option to repeatedly blame himself for his father’s death), negative affect, feeling isolated, irritability or aggression, risky or destructive behavior, hypervigilance (any game that dabbles in horror aspects will expect this from you), difficulty sleeping (overlaps with adhd), depersonalization (this is a core aspect of the theatre theme of the game)
ocd - without going through the entire ybocs, i’ll just say that i think all three healers struggle with hoarding (understandably and by necessity) and hypermorality (all three protagonists believe they are the one and only person who is right, rubin is awfully judgmental of people who don’t abide by his personal standards). compulsions would be easier to point out in the game than the obsessions they are linked to, as we’re not exactly privvy to intrusive thoughts outside of the dreams. you could, however, say that artemy struggles with intrusive thoughts of causing harm even inadvertantly and argue that he takes measures to ensure that he doesn’t, won’t, and hasn’t. in classic, this is highly dependent on playstyle.
[this is my standard disclaimer that i have an official diagnosis of ptsd so i’m not just pulling this out of nowhere and am about 98% sure i have obsessive-compulsive disorder, and have researched it thoroughly.]
what’s built into the game: making careless mistakes, poor planning skills, time blindness / anxiety, executive dysfunction
pathologic is a game that sometimes feels like you’re being set up for failure. something that i missed talking about in my previous post is that it often feels like an autism/adhd simulator because it is, in classic, so very easy to screw yourself over and get locked out of an objective by picking the wrong dialogue option. while some of the correct dialogue options are obvious, others feel like a guessing game and you have to just hope you’re picking the right thing and have made a save file at the right place to go back and pick different options in the case that you’ve bungled something. hence, “making careless mistakes”. it’s a little bit easier in 2, as dialogue options that end a conversation are indicated with a diamond (thank you to whomever decided on that!), but it makes up for this by being unforgiving in other aspects. i believe the difficulty settings for imago state that the game is intended to be “almost unbearable” - and lots of people have difficulty completing it on the intended difficulty without cheats. (do not discourse about this on my post.) the game invites you to make careless mistakes and either live with or learn from them.
keeping this in mind, you’re kind of expected to have “poor planning skills” on at least your first time playing it. part of the game’s point is that you can’t do everything, and you can’t save everyone. not paying close enough attention or interpreting the instructions of the game just right in classic can cost you the lives of several of your bound.
that also feeds into time blindness & time anxiety. classic & 2 do these in different ways. in classic, you can’t run, so you have to hope you’re not busy doing something else or else hope that all of your letters come in at a time where you can hit up all the places you need to go, or you’re going to be cutting it short on time for the day. in 2, you can run, but there are far more sidequests to be completed than in classic.
i’d also argue that executive dysfunction is a core aspect of the game. you are very busy and very poor and items are very expensive, meaning that unless you know what you’re in for, either you or the town is low on resources or funds or time to do things like eat, sleep, and take care of your aches, immunity, and infection. all of which can be avoided if you don’t make careless mistakes, have good planning skills, and can manage your time wisely.
“interrupts or intrudes on others”
i don’t appear to have a screenshot of him doing this in 2, but he and daniil do have at least one conversation in which they keep interrupting each other. peak autism/adhd solidarity.
i do, however, have a screenshot example of him doing this to clara in pathologic classic
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Haruspex: …Wait a second. If there was nothing but the great Bull, where did the stars and light come from? Changeling: Oh, don’t interrupt!
and as for intruding - khan feels that he does this frequently: intruding on him and capella at the station, intruding on him and notkin at the broken heart, and here he is intruding on kids at the nutshell:
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We have so few places of our own - only a couple. And yet you feel the urge to impose yourself even here. Do you know what childhood is? It’s slavery. Herders treat their cattle better than parents treat their children. They lock us up like objects, mold us like statues, and still never take us remotely seriously.
he also intrudes on clara talking with block on day 11, either completely oblivious to the fact that he’s doing it or outright ignoring that he is.
“is often ‘on the go’“
i could say that this is one that is built into the way the game is organized, and it’s true! but his time spent with lara comes to mind. she’s not the only one to mention his restlessness, but i don’t keep screenshots of big vlad on hand so their day 1 dialogue is lost to the wind.
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Aren’t you supposed to be terribly busy? I don’t understand why you keep coming. Or do you need my help again? I’ll wash your clothes. You’re filthy, like a chimney sweep. Revolting. While they dry, have some sleep.
“often fidgets […] or squirms in seat”
like with daniil’s body language, i don’t have any gifs to show to prove this. i’m really looking forward to seeing what idle animations he gets in the other two routes. for now i know that in the lucid dream, if you use flycam you can see him idling by swaying and rubbing his chin & that in other pantomimes he can be found constantly turning his head and looking around.
sleep problems
i don’t have the screen shot so just pretend that i do - he mentions this to the fellow traveler on, i think, day one when you go to the dead item shop. in either game, you can also only sleep for a maximum of six hours at a time, which is like..two hours less than the recommended amount, unless that’s changed.
little sense of danger & impulsivity
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As usual, I act first and think later. I’ve made a panacea. But from what? What blood was that? Whose blood was that? To cure the Town, I’ll need to figure that out.
there’s actually no dialogue i can think of that addresses the danger of the situation he’s in - which is sort of the reason why i included it! though i am absolutely obsessed with classic artemy threatening grief, kingpin of the villains in town:
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Bad Grief: That ain’t good! Got too soft a heart or something? Soft, eh… Well, can’t blame you. Haruspex: Got too hard of a bone structure? You watch it. I’ll break them in no time.
artemy has little to no problem offering to help daniil get ahold of organs and blood:
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Bachelor: Exactly. I need tissues of a person who died of the Sand Plague. I need them today, right now! I’ve tried to get them at the cemetary, but failed miserably. The patrolmen are vigilantly watching over the dead. Haruspex: Would you like me to get you some? Bachelor: I’d reward you generously for that. Haruspex: Deal. I’ll do what I can, even though I still don’t have the right to.
‘even though i still don’t have the right to’ - he knows it’s illegal and could easily lose him reputation, but he jumps at the chance to do so. part of his route requires you being in constant danger, but later on there are options to tell daniil you won’t help him. this isn’t one of them.
in pathologic 2, you can also instigate fights with people by, to name a few: refusing to leave the house in the atrium where they have a person bound and gagged upstairs, not leaving barley the barber in grief’s lair, and picking the wrong dialogue option with the guys in the broken heart on day 11.
as referenced above, his impulsivity sometimes shows in the dialogue options you can choose. you can say things that clearly haven’t been thought through all the way. for example, this is what he says to clara bout her parents:
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I wonder what you did to your old ones. There was someone gullible enough to adopt you?
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Clara: What? Why would you say that? I never even knew them. I’ve been an orphan for as long as I can remember. Artemy: I didn’t know. Right, that’s what I figured.
it’s not all that different from the sort of tactless comment a person with autism might make.
no motivation for tasks you are not interested in & hyperfixations
in pathologic 2, on day 3, daniil asks artemy to be his aide in developing a vaccine. artemy’s responses are all something dismissive and frequently quite rude. here’s the end of that conversation:
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Bachelor: I will make the vaccine, but I can’t do it without you. All you need to do is be at hand and do as I say. I will take full responsibility for the situation. Haruspex: Perhaps I’ll drop by… if I have the time.
guess what never happens?
it’s understandable that the panacea is artemy’s main goal. what makes it stick out to me as a hyperfixation specifically is that, while a vaccine is daniil’s main goal, daniil manages to ask artemy about his progress with the panacea.
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Bachelor: Anyway, how’s it going? Any progress?
the interest is never reciprocated.
emotional dysregulation & rejection sensitivity dysphoria
i personally think this is the most striking piece of evidence. every single perceived sleight can invoke a drastic reaction in artemy. just take day 3 for example - the perceived sleight here is the belief (based on no evidence) that daniil was snubbing him or trying to exclude him from the meeting:
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Bachelor: Burakh. The situation is regretful. I just didn’t have time to warn you. Haruspex: This was ugly of you.
and then he proceeds to get into an argument with him. he can, in fact, get into snits with not just daniil, but with rubin and lara as well. i will not be taking sides in this, because who is right / who is wrong is not really the point, the point is how artemy responds to perceived sleights with increased emotional agitation.
when capella upsets him by telling him she’s taking the kids from under his care for their own protection, he can respond by comparing her to her horrible capitalist pig of a father:
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You truly are your father’s daughter. Children always succeed their parents…
i can’t even remember what was said to him to get him to reply this, only that it was said to him by a teenager:
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I’m a surgeon. Ever considered having your tongue removed?
he also holds onto murky’s repetitious “what is there about you to love? nothing. so i don’t.” and brings it up to her when she is infected with the sand plague on day 10. though it does bring the rather heartwarming line about murky having loved him from the start, my point remains that he has not been able to stop thinking about something murky has said that she has obviously already changed her mind about by this point in time in the game.
difficulties making & keeping friends
remember what i said about the interest in daniil’s vaccine not being reciprocated? yeah. friends, acquaintances, colleagues - they all kind of expect you to take an interest in their lives. this is where autism & adhd overlap, from my understanding - both can come with an inability to recognize social cues. in fact, i’m going to use the same example now that i used in my post about daniil (it is, after all, what inspired this ask):
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Bachelor: From you? Oh, nothing. I was just sharing.
daniil thinks they’ve been having a normal conversation, but artemy hasn’t picked up on whatever social cues he’s been using. this could easily be on either one of them. though i will say, some of my easiest friendships as a person with autism have been with people who have adhd. which is why i’d suggest that daniil saying he’ll tell artemy about thanatica “the way i’d tell a close, intimate friend” is autism/adhd solidarity. despite initially not getting along, they are clearly able to communicate with each other.
i think the rest of this is really self-explanatory. despite being from the town in classic, artemy doesn’t actually appear to have any friends in it. could be a symptom of him having left much ealier (ten years ago as opposed to the five in pathologic 2), but in pathologic 2 his friendships are constantly under threat of spontaneous combustion. this day three conversation with lara sums it up nicely:
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Lara: Ugh, whatever. Like it’s any of my business… Do whatever you want. Did you make peace with stakh? Artemy: Doesn’t look like it… Forget Stakh. I see now that I’m one step away from falling out with you. Why?
there’s a variety of reasons why his friendships are falling apart. but it occurs to me that there’s no mention of artemy communicating with his friends at all while he was gone, and maybe that’s contributing to it. this is not an attempt to pick sides (i think everybody’s wrong), i am just pointing this out.
adhd in adults: history of academic or career underachievement, relationship problems due to not completing tasks, chronic stress and worry over failure to accomplish goals, chronic and intense feelings of frustration / guilt / blame
artemy did not finish med school. classic has him described as a “vagrant scholar” traveling from town to town to learn instead of staying in the capital where he was sent (”always ‘on the go’” indeed). in pathologic 2 he simply states that he doesn’t have a degree and that he sucked at latin.
relationship problems mentioned under “making and keeping friendships”, but it should be noted that you can repair your friendships by completing a sidequest on day 3 to gather everyone together. 
“chronic stress and worry over failure to accomplish goals” is sort of the entirety of pathologic 2. you could say it’s built into the game, but artemy does express a lot of stress over not knowing where to turn for answers, has bizarre prophetic dreams, and is plagued by… well, the plague taunting him for not being to save his bound. both when notkin gets sick on day 4 and when all of the children get sick on day 10, he can express an extreme amount of guilt for not having the ability to cure them.
i mentioned under ptsd that artemy has a tendency to be able to blame himself for his father’s death, and i think that fits under here as well. there’s also this:
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I get anxious thinking about my kids… Are they faring all right in the Lair without me?
conclusion
i do not know if i have adhd myself and i am sure there are things i am missing, especially as i have not completed artemy’s route in classic yet or started clara’s. feel free to contribute to this, i would love to see others’ input!
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phoenixpinks · 3 years
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Things Team Lazarus said during EoD starters
"When all else fails, Lex Luthor intends to kill Superman with Death." "HOLY BAT, BATMAN!" "WAIT SO WAIT WHAT???" "We're not in any danger! We're just nerds solving riddles on the internet!" "I ain't dressing up every night to find someone to punch" "I don't need to dress up every night to find someone to punch" "my son won't respond to my texts about wearing a bullet proof best, he is so grounded" "HELLO NAUGHTY CHILDREN IT'S TIME FOR FEAR" "NO FORTS. ONLY JUSTICE." "we're conventing court in the fort" "We pun to forget tears though" "Im gonna release all of these come the end of this, nothing is sacred" "he faked his death to get away from us" "but, it's all in good pun" "This is our life now" "you could have fit a meme in there" "oh god it is going to be a time thing" "yes how dare you say a meme I don't know, or whatever that is" "it only hurts if you let it hurt" "lies, I almost cried last night I will have none of your nonsense" "i am of a sensitive disposition. everything hurts" "Worse than my solving my problems with ___ and cocaine idea?" "you don't mix ANYTHING with cocaine, instant death" "Can I mix water with cocaine" "I may not have a coffee problem but I am surrouned by 5 different types of soda cans rn" "the soccer van, but for super villains" "we can alwats tie some people to the top of the car with bungee cords" "free test subject right here" "Ya'll gnna get yourselves killed" "My guy I'm lowekey terrified 24/7." "you're always screaming" "ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT" "I'M NOT SURE ABOUT ANYTHING" "you do not need to focus on that" "bye whoever’s leaving, I can't keep track of all of you" "you're attractive and love crime, I'm attractive and love crime. Let's be attractive and commit crimes together." "Dr we will never send puns again if you promise to stop getting into death traps" "I only said it was nice to see him again with the living. I may not sound it, but I'm absolutely ecstatic" "wow I mean he's probably not the best at running" "Kick him in the knees" "Hes DIED, He'll be fine" "I COME HOME TO PAIN!!!!" "fuck you ____ you suck at taking care of yourself" "Yes now shut up and sleep in a bed tonight instead of a ditch" "Being unconscious does not count as sleep" "IT'S NOT THE PUNISHMENT YOU DESERVE, BUT IT'S THE PUNISHMENT YOU NEED" 'We need justice for these puns" "Honestly anyone int he crowd might have snapped and shit him just to shut him up" "it was me guys" "you did the world a service fam" "YOU HAVE TAINTED HIM" "WELCOME TO THE DARK SIDE, ____" "Nnnnnng that hurt me" "i gtg, I want to finish this report before 3 A.M" "procrastination at its finest" "get in losers we're going spooping" "Why have we formed a cult" "This was not what i expected when i first asked to join the skype group" "All groups of friends make cults at some point" "would it be irresponsible of me to send a message saying 'run bitch run'? "WHEN I TOLD HIM TO KICK ASS AND TAKE NAMES THIS ISN'T WHAT I MEANT" "I GO ON WARCRAFT FOR TEN FUCKING MINUTES AND IT ALL GOES TO SHIT" "I instinctively covered my ears at the gunshots but then I remembered I was wearing headphones" *does the 'I'm so smart' dance "Mother always told me I was special" "I hope we're blowing this way out of proportion but at the same time this would be a hilarious plot twist" "WHOO BOY SCREENSHOT" "He's moved from senpai to fam" "He's probably lughing in his cellar" "dial dow the thirst there my dude lmao, ily thou" "I for one always overreact" "I never overreact. WHY. ARE YOU TRYING TO IMPLY SOMETHING" "___ ARE YOU ON HELIUM???" "I COME BACK AND WHAT DO I FIND" "WHY CAN'T THE RIDDLES LEAD SOMEWHERE SAFE!?! LIKW I DON'T KNOW! A DUCK POND OR I DON'T KNOW!!" "because my mind went from 'do we know any duck themed villains' to that weird French duck from courage the cowardly dog" "SHE'S HATING ON MY BOI JULIUS CAESAR" "it's been 2060 years __ im" "knife to meet your boi julius caesar" "Ok i'll hit you up next year when it's 2061" "YOU CAN HIT ME UP WHEN I'M DEAD FAM" "___ has nominated me as a Fish, or a frog, I don't even know" "if im bill the lizard youre gonna be a fish w me" "MAYBE I LIKE BEING DROP KICKED" "there is so much anger on that voice that is just covered layer of 'fuck this'" "Really? Legwork? Oh, this is grand." "give me your free time im dying in work" "it's a supervillainy way though" "I'm already dating a weeb and then I come here and WHAT DO I SEE" "I'm going to smack you all" "Everyone go stand in the corner" "I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN YOU HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS OH MY GOD" "I never had an anime phase I win" "everybody loves him but the sentiment is not reciprocated" "i will be ashamed for the rest of my life, but sure" "time to Google... aight Google isn't helping" "Tfw you kill ___, Reblog if you agree" "he looks like you should just start punching him and never stop" "when did we start being about ____'s butt" "We're allowed to be proud because it's obvious the guy is salty and not happy with our success." "I'M DISOWNING YOU ALL, EVEN HIM" "oh hey it's midnight" "you can't cheat the champion of cheating" "you cheated and I shall cheat harder" "I'd hope that I'd at least be captured by honorable idiots" "NO DUMBO RIDES. ONLY JUSTICE." "you and I are on separate wavelengths than" "OKAY STRICTLY UPDATE THEY ARE NOW PLAYING WAKE ME UP INSIDE WHATS HAPPENING" "don't meme shame me bro" "Your memes are stale, and you are stale" "lol what is romantic human interaction" "what is human interaction" "what is interaction" "What is human" "this is the worst thing I have ever created and I will burn for this" "I look at him directly and said fuck you" "I gotta go eat dinner y'all are fucking insane" "I WILL RUN EXPERIMENTS IN THE BASEMENT WHO'S WITH ME??" "Do you have any redeeming qualities" "c'mon skype lemme transer sewing via you...." "are you kidding, this is better than all the tv shows I'm behind on" "MURDER ROADTRIP" "Rosaceae are refuscent, Violas are cerulean, Cane crystals are saccharine, homogeneous to you" "WE ARE THE BEST GROUPIES" "shes not even here, she chickened out of the fight" "Tfw your brain is memes" "Twf yer also an adult" "Yup. Exactly Sad O'Clock" "So sad o'clock is midnight o fifty, got it"
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bookdork1 · 3 years
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no you know what, i need to say something more about that crap retrospective. because i thought it was so obvious what we were going to get. i thought kripke would open and wax poetic about coming up with this idea. and then he’d talk about trying to cast the show. then jared and jensen would make their first appearance and reflect on that first screen test or the first time they met each other. they could talk about the show’s backstory and the broken family set-up and the car as their real home to give us some great nostalgia vibes about where sam and dean came from. then they might talk about the addition of jim beaver to their family. then we’d obviously segue into misha collins’ introduction and jensen could dust off his “he was so weird in our first scene together” story that those of us who watch con vids have heard a lot but that would still be absolutely adorable to have in this retrospective. then the show could delve into its other regulars and fan favorites and we could get like actual commentary on their characters and how they expanded the show’s universe. then alex should have gotten his own little reflection and thank you with stories from j2m about meeting him and dabb could have spoken about how jack’s addition to the mix changed the dynamic between all three original members of tfw and added to the show’s commentary on found family. then we’d switch to some lovable ribbing of the lore and how it grew and changed over the course of 15 seasons and how some villains were campy and others downright terrifying and then end the whole discussion with an impressive disection of how god as a final villain speaks aloud for the GA all the meta of sam and dean and cas and jack finally being allowed to live their own lives as the story comes to its conclusion and the cameras shut off. (it also would have been cool to see them mention some of the impact of this admittedly rabid fanbase and the family created within the spn fandom that has had positive impacts on so many and led to some downright amazing charity initiatives of which many of the actors have been a part)
but instead we had this rushed and impersonal summary that jumped from one title card to the next of really basic elements of the show. there was hardly any focus on the actors, their characters or the writing they worked off of. like they literally did anything but focus on the parts of their show we love best. 
maybe i should say it more concisely: i really was just expecting anecdotes from the cast and crew about how the offscreen relationships they’ve built with one another reflect on their characters and their in-show relationships with one another. but that’s not what we got. instead, it was pretty boring.  
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Hi! Not trying to be difficult, but I saw that you like Rowena/Samwhich. I see a lot of fandom likes her - I personally can not get over her casual murdering if people (like service workers) from many season ago. know there's a similar dislike of Ketch for his murdering and am wondering what's up with the adoration? People liked her before the redemption arc so I'm wondering how much forgiveness she gets/got from people just because she was a 'badass' woman. Or the arc is what swayed you/people.
Hi there! I’ll start by saying that I’ve always liked Rowena because she’s a good character, not because she was a good person, you know? Like Metatron, she was an amazing villain. She was fun to root against, which is what you want in a good villain. But I’d venture to say that her redemption arc began even before we met her. Crowley had mentioned her twice before that, as a witch who taught him a few tricks, and wasn’t a good parental role model for him. And the show began redeeming her just a bit from even her first few appearances.
Sure, she didn’t start rescuing puppies and reading to coma patients in her spare time, but we did begin learning about her and her life. Not all the people she killed from the start were just casually murdered, you know? Her actual goal had been murdering the demons running the Raul’s Girls brothel scam. If she happened to kill a few of the girls herself, well then... at least her objective was met already.
And if that’s all your objecting to about her character, then I invite you to look at Crowley, who we know has casually killed all sorts of people, and yet... had a redemption arc from his first appearance on the show, too. I invite you to look honestly at Sam and Dean and all the people (yes, and monsters, but also innocents who died because of their doing), and tell me that makes them unforgivable and irredeemable, as well.
But the show has spent the last 5+ years actively writing her a redemption arc. Not a shoehorned “oh didn’t you hear, I’m a good guy now” literally attempting to handwave everything bad from the past by lampshading it with a “fake identical twin” story. Which... is what they’ve done with Ketch. At this point, after having been physically present in something like 33 episodes, and at least mentioned or on the phone helping Sam and Dean and Cas in several more, she officially has the longest, most consistent and persistent character growth and redemption arc in the history of Supernatural, other than Cas (if you even think of Cas as a character who needed “redemption” in the first place).
The first four episodes Ketch was in, we didn’t even see his face. He was set up as the Boogeyman of the BMoL, who even the agents we did see on screen as cold (they tortured SAM! and felt justified about it the entire time!) were scared of him. He was the Last Resort, he was the Executioner brought in to “solve problems” for them. Cold, calculated, efficient. And they set him as a spy on the Winchesters. He remained unrepentant through his brainwashing of Mary, assuring her she’d feel better once she had no pesky will of her own to resist the orders he set for her to kill, and genuinely drew pleasure from torturing and killing people and monsters. Even people who were supposedly his friends, even Mary he’d had what passes for a romantic encounter with. Then after his miraculous resurrection, we learned of his history with Rowena and how he GOT her charm in the first place-- implied that he tortured her to death and then witnessed her charm kick in and resurrect her.
And folks, that’s exactly the story of Rowena’s ENTIRE LIFE. Tortured for fun and then abandoned as disposable when they’d used her for what she could give them by people she’d sought protection and shelter from. She’d spent the last 300 years bargaining for her own life and safety by trading her body and her magic-- cast out by everyone from Crowley’s father to the Grand Coven to the Loughlin witches from 12.11, and EVEN BY SAM at the end of s10, when he had her literally chained to a table to force her to cast the spell to cure the Mark.
Then even after Ketch’s return, he’s remorselessly torturing and killing his way through a string of witches trying to find Rowena to make him another resurrection charm. When the Winchesters trap him, he lies and lies until he can’t keep it up any longer, and then we discover he’s actually now employed by Asmodeus, who’s ordered him to keep tabs on the Winchesters, in the episode where Asmo literally captures Cas, locks him in a cell, and then convinces Dean that Cas got away by impersonating his voice on the phone. Ketch... was part of all of this. Until he discovered Asmo’s secret power source and decided to disarm the demon... I don’t think Ketch brought Gabriel to them out of the goodness of his heart. He even told Dean that he saw a chance to escape retribution from Asmodeus in the AU, so he took it. It took him going to an alternate universe and fighting for the resistance forces there for us to even begin to think they could consider giving him a redemption arc. And he only had one on-screen appearance in s14, via a video call after sending the One Thing They Needed To Stop Michael via postal mail and having it delayed arriving to them as a result... but hey, at least he was trying to be helpful, right? >.>
They repeatedly lampshaded that he’s continued to do his Hired Gun thing, basically Supernatural Being murder for hire. He took a contract on Belphegor’s life, for example. So other than the fact he’s been occasionally helpful to TFW, and the fact he’s stopped actively trying to kill them, they haven’t actually written him any sort of redemption arc to speak of.
Unlike Rowena. We’ve delved into her history, heard in her own words why she became what she was when we first met her, and not only why she abandoned Crowley as a child but also seen her genuine grief and torment after his death-- after having lost any chance to ever try to seek his forgiveness or truly have a relationship with her son. And honestly, we have seen both Sam and Dean go to those sorts of lengths to get each other back, you know? Rowena’s actions in 13.19... are exactly the sorts of things we saw Sam doing in early s10... literally in the episode Rowena was introduced.
So I invite you to consider... if you forgive Sam for that or drinking demon blood or releasing Lucifer, if you forgive Dean for selling his own soul to save Sam or taking on the Mark of Cain and all that led to, if you forgive Cas for basically all of s6 or saying yes to Lucifer in s11... then... you should probably consider taking another look at the entirety of Rowena’s arc and see if you can’t see how they’ve written her the same redemption beats and more.
She’s helped the Winchesters, even when held against her will that first time, even when Sam demanded she kill the one person she’d ever let herself truly love in order to save Dean from the Mark. But since then she’s helped them of her own free will, gradually going from doing it as a quid pro quo to doing it because she was genuinely beginning to care about them going all the way back to 12.11. She ran afoul of Lucifer-- which experience still tortures and terrifies her to this day-- because of the Winchesters. And in return, Sam especially has grown to show her trust and care as well. He gave her the page from the spell book she wanted to protect herself and trusted she wouldn’t use that against him. Then we learned their fates were intertwined-- Sam destined to kill her. But instead, they mutually chose to try and save her. I mean... that’s been the foundation of her arc for the last 3 seasons. And to reject that character growth, you have to bend over backward and ignore the fact that in their lives, Sam and Dean and Cas have done just as terrible or worse. It’s only a wee bit hypocritical to dismiss her honest development into someone Sam and Dean both think of as at least Winchester-adjacent if not part of the extended family at this point. The story’s been working overtime to bring her to that point where she now actively CHOOSES to care for them, even at her own peril.
She literally did exactly what Dean did in 13.23, saying yes to Michael because he promised he would spare the people she cared about. She literally has sacrificed herself for them out of love. So... tell me, what would it take for you to get past what she was when we first met her? Because everyone in-story got past that years ago.
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spnsmile · 4 years
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The Chuck disambiguation 😂
I've been meaning to talk about Chuck for sometime and his intentions for getting in the game. Is it to make his story exciting? Is it to show TFW he is all high and mighty? Is it hia disappointment of heaven? (or just cause the show gotta end 🤣😂) but there has to be a deeper reason than just the creator having a molting time.
Then I found this post. Quite interesting.
SamSamualSamson
A lil theory until this episodes comes out and we hit the final road.
What if Chuck WANTS to be replaced?
If you remember all the alternative universes somehow turned to shit (the bad place,apocalypse world,the universe were Yokoth and her husband devoured almost anything...).
Maybe Chuck tried to make it work over and over again and he did actually care about the well being of his creations until he became sad and frustrated because it always went wrong.
He became Chuck because he just couldn't take it anymore.
After Apocalypse 1+2+3 etc he maybe thought that Sam and Dean are holding this universe so well and he is so tried that he decided it's time for him to go.
But as the "light that holds the existence of everything " he just can't kill himself.
So after Dean and Sam always find a unpredictable better ways that are always impossible to do but somehow they manage, Chuck decided that he will throw himself in Sam and Deans way as an enemy.
So they have to stop him with another unpredictable better way that he himself can't find.
It would explain thinks like:
Why didn't Chuck kill Jack before he was born if he was so afraid of what he would become?
That he is suspicious about death but really doesn't do anything to see what she his doing.
I also think he KNOWS what's that Death and the shadow are plotting against him and decided go "off world" so they have time for their plan.
A lil theory in the theory:
Why are the shadow and death concerned with hiding Jack if he can be brought back by both of them at any time?
It's because Chuck has the potential to put him somewhere were he can't come back.
And my theory has something to do with Castiel being resurrected by Chuck despite the shadow claiming that no one else than himself has any say in the empty.
Maybe there is a mikro second of transition for a Angel/Demon to go to the empty.In this mikro sec Chuck can catch the Angel/Demon trap it in a death/alive state until he decides to bring it fully back to life or let go.
He can put Jack in this state were he is no danger.
But what about Lilith she died ages ago?
I think it's because the shadow that rules the empty is now so distracted by his wacky Dyssomnias that everyone strong enough can snitch some Demons.
That would explain why Lucifer was able to wake up on his own.
Also a theory of mine is that this series has a lot of plot holes and inconsistencies that I should totally ignore details and I probably reading to much into this." ----end post
Nope. I don't think you are reading too much into it, unless PLOTHOLES 😂. All classic villains have their back story and Chuck is like one of those "Good guys turn bad, see me long enough to turn into a monster" villain." otherwise the "Im the villain from the beginning." A classic Sherlock Holmes mystery 😂
For one, if they base this on the Chuck that we know, scrawny author in robes, wants to hoard toilet papers, then they could relate it to a pressured author who needs a climax to his novel, thus...like Sam and Dean has to go pass the master before achieving the ultimate key to freedom.
Or yes, Chuck wants to be free too. Wants to be replaced. Another classic villain element where they need to manipulate, push the heroes on edge so they will be driven to kill or end the villain who also wants it to end.
Or Chuck is just a major dick with dual Jekyll-Hyde personality, who knows 😂 so many plotholes if that's the only reason. From the beginning he returned in front of Castiel, to the keen eyes on details of his plot, Chuck got riled up because Dean wont kill Jack. A character making a choice and so he snaps. But in retrospect, imagine if Dean kills Jack then, Dean dies too and may end up in the Empty.
Or he doesn't die and get to share Jack's dreams lol compose of angels and snakes. Bit if Dean died then and got sent to the Empty, Castiel going to the Empty would be another plot to rescue Dean (do we doubt Cas to save Dean if he killed Jack?) it's only going to be another roller coaster, another jackpot hit onnthe shelves, then Sam is left alone. That's if it's god's plan at all.
Anyways, lets just write a fic about that 😂
I also believe the mood, ending of god will be like in season 11 where things end well, holding hands, embracing husbands, crying younger brother... You know... I do believe they will give us that ending.
But doesn't change the fact the last episode will come and we have to meet it when it does 😭
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1. what’s an unpopular ship you like?
i like sastiel! in canon as it stands it’s very sweet and it doesn’t hold up all that much because the writers don’t really care about sam and cas’s relationship but they have a lot of moments that are really sweet and Good. also i love sam and cas coparenting <3 the version of sastiel that would absolutely take over my brain though that i do think is more interesting is like. very canon divergence au where cas and sam have an actual relationship in s4 and he can’t bear the fact that he’s helping lead sam to the thing hes most terrified of and rebels as a result! i think that would be so fun and sexy!
3. what’s a scene that you think is underrated?
oh god. i think in the rupture when sam and dean are talking in the crypt and dean says “im not freaked im angry” and sam says “me too” that kind of haunts me and i havent seen anyone really talk about it. like sam is the man with faith, he’s the one who’s going to be lucifer’s vessel, he’s the boyking of hell, he’s the boy with the demon blood, all of that and he’s the one who said he prays every day and he believes in angels and he asks god for help in s11. and when god finally shows up after being gone so long and leaving them, sam just wants to ask questions and he’s in awe of him, this is god, sam prays to him. but sam’s the one that shoots him and sam admits to being angry at him. like. it’s so much. to have faith your whole life and then to find out that it didn’t mean anything because the being you put your faith in doesn’t care about you, not really. it’s worse than if god wasn’t real at all. and there’s also so much going on with sam’s anger because it’s something that doesn’t really show up in the later seasons because at a certain point he decided it wasn’t something he got to have anymore and it’s something that he tries not to engage with because he has to forgive everyone and everything. and he’s angry at god. and he admits it. and it’s so quiet, it’s so quick but it’s just so GLARING and also i do watch this show with sam goggles on and the show forgets he exists so it probably didn’t even mean that much but it does to ME.
15. worst thing each member of tfw has done?
sam: locking jack in the ma’lak box. if jack had killed him afterwards, he would have been right.
cas: breaking sam’s wall
dean: three worst ones that i can’t decide between are: locking jack in the ma’lak box, the whole gadreel thing, “if i didn’t know you i would want to hunt you.” makes me want to strangle him <3
jack: has never done anything wrong in his life. 
17. do you like the brothers’ codependency entertainment wise?
i do.......................i know lots of people consider their relationship a weak point because they keep circling the same arguments and fights and i agree to an extent but also the only time they ever even try to get therapy deans kind of a dick and sam storms out so it’s not like they’ve actually moved on from any of the initial trauma that STARTED those arguments, just added to it. so yeah in my head it does make sense that their relationship is Like That given the circumstances but i do want to see them interact bc the brothers are a core part of the show for me. that said they desperately need to break out of the habits they’re stuck in.
20. favorite villain?
i thought abaddon was fun! i don’t even remember what she wanted to do besides be queen on hell but less interesting men got to live and they weren’t even hot, so let her stay!
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