#the Greeks were gay

[happypeachsludgeflower]

Me: I kinda want to watch Troy so I can make fun of it but like, also, they made Patroclus and Achilles cousins. *hisses*

Mother: *nonchalant and not looking up from her phone* well, ya know, that could be historically accurate.

Me: …

Me: …

Me: *aghast to be related to someone straightening history and seething with rage* I’m sorry what??

Mother: ya, *shrugs* back then they wouldn’t have known anything about genetics so cousins fucking wasn’t taboo.

Me: …

Me: *softly* mom what the fuck.

#that was not where I was expecting that to go #at least she knows they’re gay I guess #patroclus x achilles #achilles #patroclus #tsoa #tsoa achilles #tsoa patroclus #trojan war #troy 2004 #gay humor #Greek mythology #the Greeks were gay #patrochilles #achiclus #grievous glory

[weirdnotal]

Head cannon that after another round of yelling at the gods some of the better ish gods step up a bit at parenting their kids but their absolute messes.

Poseidon after not being seen for months: kids c'mon wake up

Tyson: DAD

Percy: dad?

Poseidon: wake up wake uP

Percy: why are you in the window- y'know what nvm it's like two in the morning why-

Poseidon: Tyson, Percy, Triton, we are going on a fishing trip *grabs hands pulls out cabin window* RIGHT NOW WEEEEEEE

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Nico just chilling:

*Hades splits open cabin floor and hands Nico birthday card* *disappears*

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*all of Hermes cabin wakes up in a shaving cream filled cabin and one note that says "from Hermes ;)" *

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Malcom: damnit we don't have any books on the geography of Rom-

*three big heavy books fly at him going mock 5000*

Athena cabin: *screams in fear*

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*Hephaestus cabin silently frozen in doorway*

*Hephaestus humming whilst building something by forge*

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Aphrodite appearing next to kid: so you like them

Aphrodite kid: *screeches in panic and surprise*

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Apollo cabin: wha-

Apollo blasting music at some ungodly hour and jumping cabin singing badly: wE'RE GOING ON A TRIP IN OUR FAVORITE ROCKET SHIP

#pjo hoo toa #pjo headcanon #the greeks were gay

[crowleysleatherwaistcoat]

“hades is gay because this” “hades is gay because that” hades is gay because he’s GREEK. he is a GREEK GOD.

#like do you UNDERSTAND how gay the Greeks were??? #SO gay #percy jackson #pjo tv show #pjo spoilers #pjo series #percy jackon and the olympians #hades pjo

[6-2-aestheticsofhate]

weed brownie that turns you into the ancient greek amphora version of yourself

#Ultrakill #minos #sisyphus #king sisyphus #king minos #id hesitate to tag this as their ship name but it is kind of gay to eat a guys weed brownie. #also it was hard for me to find an appropriate ancient greek depiction of sisyphus i was comfortable using #and im not even fully comfortable with this one!!! #but uh anyways yeah its greek blackfigure pottery and most of the figures skintones are that color on the pottery which makes it feel more #ambiguous than the paintings i found where hes like. white. i know greeks were a majority white population and its only nowadays that #more awareness is brought to the fact not all greeks where white but anywaysssss #the tldr is i was struggling to find an ancient greece depiction of sisyphus that wasnt like. a white guy jumpscare #that would be a little funny though. weed brownie that turns you white. scary

[crimeoflove]

something i love about the song of achilles is how the pair of them are like sexually dissatisfied hobgoblins when they're seperated for more than a day.

'we drank deeply for all we had missed'?

BULLSHIT.

that's just confusing code words for 'yeah we smashed all night'

you horny bastards.

#tsoa #tsoa achilles #tsoa patroclus #tsoa patrochilles #patrochilles #the song of achilles #achilles #patroclus #they're so gay #gay #the horniest fuckers i ever knew #greek mythology #historians will say they were close friends #the power of friendship #achilles and patroclus #heroes and their pals

[apolloslyrics]

I expanded my deity space btw!!!! And I hand-sewed the cloth underneath it, as well :)

I still don't like to call this an altar!! For me, altars are more formal, more used. This is really just a place for decorations and offerings to my deities.

ISN'T IT SO GORGEOUS THOUGH???? AAAHHHHH

#my deities set off my smoke alarm #they were having fun #it was funny #but i got a migraine #eclectic pagan #hellenic pagan #pagan #pagan witch #gay pagan #pagan blog #pagan community #paganism #deity work #divination #deity witchcraft #deity #deity worship #hellenic deities #norse deities #greek deities #gods and deities

[newspecies]

"the vast majority of legal persecution against early queers was focused on men" ARE YOU INSANE

#rot.txt #DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG WOMEN WERE FORCED TO MARRY MEN OR DIE. HUH. WHERE AM I #this is from the section in the new hbomberguy video where he talks about james somertons misogyny and lesbophobia btw #SOMEONES BITTER THAT WOMEN KISS IN CARTOONS SOMETIMES!!! #AS IF THAT ERASES THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF MISOGYNY IN SO MANY CULTURES!!!!!!! GOOD GOD #sorry somerton is just so insanely stupid i cant get over it. why is he like that #like i dont know maybe this isnt important but i remember being asked as a kid to pick a greek city state to live in #but i was a girl. so none of them were good choices because apparently i would be forced to have children no matter which one i picked #and i guess it just stuck with me. if the boys liked to fight they got to pick sparta and if they liked to read then it was athens #but what did the girls get. a little more freedom in certain places but ultimately the same expectation. have babies or die #in hindsight there were definitely options in ancient greece #but my teacher didnt tell us that. we just had to write about whether we would like to have slightly more rights or not #OBVIOUSLY gay men have historically faced discrimination but saying that it wasnt as focused on women is just unbelievably stupid #sorry i dont know if any of this made sense #lesbophobia tw #misogyny tw

[4uru]

You leave me alone for 3 days with complete freedom and independence and i will jump back into my greek mythology phase.

Ok no srsly during quarentine and the height of my art journey where i used to draw every waking moment, my muse was Patroclus . (Bc i am a greek-roman mythology nerd since the tender age of THREE). I LITERALLY COULD NOT STOP DRAWING THIS SON OF A BITCH.

What im trying to say is, new art is about to drop sometimes tonight.

#when my mother was pregnant a door to door book salesman scammed my mother into buying a shit ton of books #one of them was an encyclopedia of sorts “ask me anything” #there was a section of mythologies and ancient civilizations and religion #my favourite parts to skim through were the dinosaur section #religion #and ancient greek civilization #at the bottom of that spread was the pantheon #and even before i could READ i would just stare at the little drawings of the pantheon. #after i learned how to read #i would read that page constantly #then i discovered a book in my house #edith hamiltons greek mytholigy book #and i would try to read that one too #but i didnt know english well at that age #so i would make my dad read it to me #then came the percy jackson phase #then the madeline miller phase #the madeline miller phase kickstarted the greek statue study phase #so the book salesman is the reason i am a gay nerd.

[madebypointlesswords]

Rating all the Latin authors I've read in the past two years in honor of my oral Latin exam tomorrow

Caesar (De Bello Gallico)

This is a weird one because while his prose isn't extremely difficult, it was also the first unedited work I read, so for lil 15-year-old me, this was very difficult. But I learned a lot from Caesar (especially that he made it an art to making his sentences as long as possible. We read an entire 200 words, and IT WAS JUST ONE SENTENCE.), and the sense of nostalgia while rereading it is very pleasant, so I will give you a solid 6/10

Pliny the Younger (Epistulae)

Mixed feelings about this one again. This could also be just because I despise prose. I really do not like it at all. Pliny's epistulae were pretty okay. I liked them a little better than Caesar's because of their variety (for those that don't know, epistulae means letters). His letter about the Vesuvius was a lot of fun to translate, even with all the hyperbata, but his letters about or to his third wife were very uncomfortable. Like, I get things were different back then. BUT YOU WERE 45, PLINY. 45. SHE WAS WHAT? 14? 15 TOPS? MY GOD. THAT'S A BIGGER AGE DIFFERENCE THAN I HAVE WITH MY FATHER.

7/10

Ovid (Metamorphoses)

Ovid is life Ovid is love. He was the one who introduced me to Latin poetry, and I will always love him for it. He was an icon and a legend. The poems of his that we read (Daedalus & Icarus, Latona and the Lycian peasants, Diana and Actaeon) were all bangers, and I love them all to death. I never wanted to go back to reading prose after this (but unfortunately, I will have to next year. ew)

11/10 (I love you, Ovid)

Vergil (The Aeneid)

*deep sigh* Listen. I love his complex works, and I have great respect for this poem but by the GODS. Vergil's poetry is the most difficult I've had to translate by a long shot. He made me rethink my entire career in Latin. I have considered quitting so many times because of this man. I felt like a complete idiot most of the time. This is not a guy to fuck with. Luckily I got through it on my finals (barely.) but Christ alive this man made my life difficult.

5/10

Horatius (Satires and Odes)

Horatius will always have a special place in my heart. We read his poetry right after Vergil's, and it almost completely restored my faith in my abilities. He's just my little guy and I have fond memories of translating his works. We still know many Latin phrases that he wrote (Carpe Diem being the most famous. Hello, DPS fandom). Also, he and Vergil were most definitely in love. I don't make the rules. I have evidence if you want me to elaborate.

9/10

Catullus (love poems)

Ah, Catullus. Horny poet of the year. Had a wild affair with an older married woman. Nepotism baby. Sappho stan. Didn't know how to budget, but we aren't holding that against him. Just wanted to write poetry and dance (who doesn't, honestly). Gave fuck-all about education. Wrote nearly all of his poetry about the older woman he had an affair with. Might I add that this woman was married to one of his father's bestest buddies? Yeah. Icon. Here's a kid's choice award.

8/10

Martialis (Epigrams)

This dude had ZERO chill. Roasted everyone in the city. Literally, no one is safe. Wasn't afraid to call people out by their real names. Some people allegedly committed suicide after being roasted by this guy. Translating his epigrams gave me more joy than hearing we had seen the end of Vergil. His humour may be a little silly now, but I will not accept any Martialis slander on my blog.

10/10

And that is all folks

#latin student #latin memes #latin literature #publius ovidius naso #classics #ancient greek #martialis #how is that not a tag #this guy is the epitome of Tumblr humour #pliny the younger #pliny #julius caesar #roman history #roman literature #catullus #vergil #the aeneid #vergil and horatius were gay and in love pass it on #horatius

[athamad]

Fellas, is it gay to wait for your lord to wake up outside his tent and then start to compliment him the second you see him?

#greek mythology #odysseus #homer #the illiad #homer's iliad #illiad #the iliad #agamemnon/odysseus #agamemnon and odysseus #agaody #agamemnon x odysseus #agamemnon #tagamemnon #this movie #They were so gay in this #like ody was leaning on his throne #bitch why are you AS A MAN leaning onto another mans throne? #hm?

[zaddyazula]

sozin really criminalised being gay because his boyfriend wouldn’t commit genocide with him

#sozin and roku were so gay #you can’t say i’m wrong #sounds like internalised homophobia to me #he was in denial #sozin misunderstood how to build relationships in a healthy way #the fire nation royal family are the gayest people since the greeks

[gayboss-too-close-to-the-sun]

this art book is talking about the myth of Apollo and Hyacinthus and it called them friends

it called them “the lovers” once, but the rest of it was just “his beloved friend” this, “his friend” that. i’m furious. it’s literally talking about how Cupid is a prominent figure in this painting, and then it goes back to pretending like the only thing they were doing while naked was playing discus.

like, yeah, rubbing oil onto your friend’s naked body, sounds like bros being bros. giving up all of your favorite hobbies to spend time with him? absolutely platonic. wanting to bring him to Olympus? hey, sometimes you just love your homies.

#not trying to minimize the value of close platonic male friendships #but they were so explicitly gay it’s not even up for debate #I’m tired of straightwashing gay myths #apollo #hyacinthus #greek mythology #apollo is bisexual

[kate1028]

You can say whatever you want about Greek mythology and about what’s right and what’s not but you can’t tell me that Achilles and Patroclus were just besties. Like Achilles literally dragged the corpse of Hector around for days(!)not willing to give it back to his family. And if you remember the only thing Hector ever did (apart from fighting on the side of Troy) was killing Patroclus (also kind of the reason why Achilles killed Hector in the first place). Seriously you can’t tell me that this wasn’t some sort of revenge and mourning of Achilles, because he lost the love of his life.

#Greek mythology #the song of achilles #patrochilles #achillian #patroclus #hector #they were in love #gay

[aroaceleovaldez]

yall dont wanna see the rant i just went on trying to math out if Clarisse and Silena = Achilles and Patroclus, then does the Battle for Manhattan in TLO = the Trojan War, and in which case who’s who. is the Titan Army the Trojans? or is Olympus the Trojans because they’re defending Olympus (i.e. Trojans defending Troy)? If Percy is also Achilles, kinda, cause curse of Achilles, what’s everybody’s roles then? What do we do with two Achilles? is Ethan Nakamura Hector? Does Luke = Paris? (in which case Hermes = Priam? which actually works really well cause Hermes did aid Priam in the Trojan war). or is Luke... Helen? Or is Luke just straight up the Trojan Horse?

Also side-tangent, if Clarisse and Silena are Achilles and Patroclus, we can make some guesses for who Chris Rodriguez vaguely is analogous to, but not really Charles Beckendorf? at least purely in terms of love interests. Which is interesting. Again: who’s who. I simply must know.

#pjo #percy jackson #riordanverse #analysis #there's also a whoooole lot of Percy and Nico in the Underworld = Caeneus in the rant #but that's besides the point i've gone on that rant enough times #though i do think its interesting in a manner of if it is an intentional parallel (which is very possibly is!) #then it implies that Rick started leaning more into Nico being canonically romantically interested in Percy back in TLO #which would make sense given you also have Clarisse and Silena as Achilles and Patroclus *very* explicitly in the same book #and whereas Achilles and Patroclus being lovers is a debated topic - Caeneus' romance is as far as im aware undisputed #(probably primarily because Caeneus was a woman for most of it) #and like from book one Rick referenced myths like Ganymede #so like. i dont think the whole ''greek mythology had a lot of gay stuff' was going over his head or anything #and Caeneus is not an obscure figure. he was an Argonaut! #and the Argonauts were. yknow. the entire basis for the second series. and also a good amount of SoM #there was also a lot of ''Does Nico = Orpheus?'' and How Many Times Did Nico Pull An Orpheus (the answer is like. 2. maybe 3.) #(maybe 4 actually) #regardless Nico has fully exhausted Most Orpheus Myths so theoretically they shouldn't come back. #[I AM LOOKING VERY HARD AT THE NICO BOOK. DO NOT DO THE THING I SWEAR I WILL BE MAD.] #not because ''oh no tragedy'' because i KNOW it's gonna turn out fine and Different This Time and ill just be mad #because it got overused cause WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT SPECIFIC PART LIKE. TWICE. IN THE FIRST SERIES. GET OUTTA HERE. #anyways options for if the Argo 2 members represent Argonauts then Who Orpheus - Piper. Leo. Nico. #i personally prefer Piper best for thematic reasons but Leo could also fit and Nico is really trying on the myth-reenactment-front #and also being the mopey guy on the Argo ruining the vibes for everyone cause he's busy being heartbroken and emo #he hasn't been torn limb from limb and his immortal severed head turned into a speaker for his parents to listen to tunes from though #so really Nico are you even trying? (the ''parents-grant-immortality-after-death'' thing though is also a Nico-pulls-an-Orpheus moment tho)

[prolibytherium]

Absolutely death gripped clenched trying not to comment on reductive posts on ancient greek homosexual relationships

#It is neither wholly '0mg two gay guys in love!!' and 'I am humiliating and debasing a lower man by making a woman out of him' #There's heavy elements of that in how they conceptualized penetrator vs penetrated but the erastes (lover/protector) and eromenos (beloved) #relationship was significantly more complex than that #Like it is conceptualized as sort of a mentor/mentee relationship and a positive element for an adolescent's development #It was the subject of romantic plays and you get things like people in antiquity in heated debates over who is the #erastes and who is the eromenos between Achilles and Patroclus (to better depict them in plays) #The bottom line is more 'the socially accepted m/m relationships were (what we would now consider) an adult and a child #(or young man) with the age difference being a fundamental element to the dynamic.' #And more broadly being penetrated in sex assigned a 'lower' or 'womanly' role and it would not be conventionally accepted #for an older/more socially powerful man to recieve penetration (which certainly DID happen though) #So absolutely a moment in the history of male homosexuality and not something to just go 'ew ew bad evil ewwie' about but also #not something you want to project modern conceptions of LGBT identity upon #Also we know relatively little about relationships between women in ancient Greece due to lack of sources due to being a #highly patriarchal culture but we can't actually know that they did not involve similar power dynamic #Certainly not to the same extent or in such a well socially defined way (bc they conceptualize sex almost entirely through a lens of #penetration) but I think you should be treating relations between ancient Greek women with the same degree of #historical distance from our lives and identities today. #Ok death grip failed I just typed an entire rant. Fiuck it

[the-myrda-weapon]

The best thing about having queer relatives is that they just GET you. My cousin and I spent half an hour arguing about what kind of lube they’d use aboard The Revenge and I’ve never felt more seen

#ofmd #gay pirates #we concluded it was probably palm oil #i still think olive oil is in the running though #the greeks were on to something probably #ugh found family fr fr