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thecosmicmap · 4 months

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Strap in folks this is gonna be a long one.

So as we know Dean Deblois is the writer of HTTYD2 and 3. As a writer you have a list of rules you should follow. One such rule is “show don’t tell.”

Dean disregarded this rule and we mainly see it with Grimmel and the Night Fury genocide. In the movie he tells us “I hunted every last night fury except yours” yet Grimmel has nothing to show for it. No trophies, no night fury hide cloak, not even a claw. The most we get is a few “facts” about Night Furies that aren’t even true, or can’t be proven to be true because we’ve only ever seen one Night Fury.

“Night Furies can’t survive the cold.” Yet Hiccup tells us (in GOTNF which is canon) that winter in Berk lasts for most of the year.

“Night Furies can’t fly long distances” Yet Toothless’ wings are large and wide, which allows him to glide for long periods of time.

“Furies mate for life.” We would never know because we only see one Night Fury in the entire franchise. And if we take a look at other dragons, it seems they only see their mate during mating season.

And why would Grimmel know that if he’s trying to kill off the Night Furies forever? What’s the point in knowing their mating habits if there’s never going to be any Night Furies again? Did he just look at a Fury pair and go “yeup. They mate for life.”

Now another thing about Grimmel is that his hunting method is unreliable. One, he left his bait without any restraints. Imagine if the Light Fury woke up minutes before and just left? Boom! No more bait. What if Toothless wasn’t horny and was mad at the Light Fury for trying to kill Hiccup multiple times? Boom. He wouldn’t be trying to deal with her and the plan is ruined because the bait isn’t appealing to the target. What if Toothless didn’t smell her and never showed up?

Lots of plot conveniences. It happens in the entire movie. Dean also had to confirm that yes, Grimmel did kill all the Night Furies in an INTERVIEW because people didn’t believe that Grimmel genocide the Night Furies. And Dean only did this because he thinks Toothless is special because he’s the last Night Fury.

Now we could be here forever talking about how stupid grimmel is as a villain and how stupid it is to even entertain the thought that ONE man and his six, drugged dragons were able to commit genocide to a species of intelligent, elusive and fast dragons, but let’s just continue.

Another rule Dean disregarded is having good characterization. Or ANY characterization!

The Light Fury immediately comes to mind. Name one personality trait she has that we actually see in the movie. You can’t, can you? Because Dean actively wrote that out. There was a deleted scene of Light Fury and Toothless’ romantic flight which gave her much more personality, yet Dean wrote it out and gave us the boring one we have now.

Also, can we just talk about how she doesn’t have a name? Her name is literally “The Light Fury.” Which is the same as naming a Golden Retriever Golden Retriever.

I know Hiccup would’ve named her. Hell, anybody would’ve named her! But no, Dean decided that she didn’t need one because “how else would she be wild”?

Dean says this in an interview, “We intentionally try to keep her [The Light Fury] wild and elusive, to kind of represent something that is pure dragon, that hasn't been tainted by human beings by domestication.” Which just goes to show that Dean doesn’t know what domestication is.

(Dean also doesn’t know what a subspecies is because if he did, then he would know a Light Fury can’t possibly be a Night Fury subspecies because they have too many differences).

1. this means that Dean thinks all of the dragons that have benefited from human companionship (Toothless, Cloudjumper, Meatlug, Stormfly, etc) are tainted.

And 2, there is nothing “dragon” about the Light Fury. She has small feet (Hiccup’s head is literally bigger than her feet), small claws, a small mouth, her wings are weirdly shaped, she’s curved, she has no protective scales and her tailfin is in the shape of a heart, which would actually mess up her flight.

Many people have said this is because she’s semi-aquatic. But this is disproven by the fact that we’ve never seen her in the water and the art book.

Here’s two direct quotes: “We had to explore how the Light Fury would walk and make her feel like a female.” “We had to control all the shapes while keeping her both powerful and graceful so she didn’t fall too much into the reptilian category.”

The Light Fury is a plot device, a “agent of change” in Dean’s words.

Now while we’re on the topic of characterization, let’s talk about our main cast. We’ll start with Toothless.

Toothless is Hiccup’s best friend, who will do anything to protect him no matter the costs. He’s sassy, intelligent, curious, loyal, protective and playful.

Now take all of this, and throw it in the trash because this isn’t the toothless you’re going to see in THW. In THW Toothless’ playfulness is shot to the max, making him more like a slobbery puppy than the lethal panther he was in HTTYD1.

Toothless isn’t protective of Hiccup at all, his intelligence is below hell itself and we don’t see a lick of sass. Httyd3 Toothless is physically incapable of looking scary because his face has been deformed to to look blocky and smushed together. He lacks any aerodynamics and we can even see it in his flying. He looks like he’s struggling.

Toothless and Hiccup’s friendship is so watered down in this movie, just for the sake of romance. That’s not how it should be. Romance and friendship go hand in hand, one is not more valuable than the other.

Astrid is nothing but Hiccup’s emotional support, yet she also puts him down. “you gave him [Toothless] his freedom, what were you expecting?” This implies that the dragons are being held captive and Toothless doesn’t want to be with Hiccup.

Which he does, as we see in GOTNF. Toothless only left to get Hiccup’s helmet, then he broke the auto-tail. But why would Astrid even say that? Thats so insensitive 😭.

The twins are dumbed down (despite proving to actually being intelligent), Snotlout is flirting with a woman who’s 20 years older than him (and might be his aunt, depending if you see Hiccup and Snotlout as cousins) and Valka outright tells Hiccup that they can’t hide away from the world.

Which is true, they can’t. Because eventually they will be found. Now remember this, it’ll come back later.

Now, when writing a story it’s important to move the plot along in a way that doesn’t seemed forced. When I think of this, I think of Trollhunters: tales of Arcadia.

The protagonist (Jim) goes into the villain’s home in order to rescue his friend’s baby brother, yet he gets trapped there. His friends have to get him out of there, which allows the villain to be freed from the Darklands. This happening allows the story to move forward in a way that makes sense and isn’t forced.

Now back to HTTYD3. Let’s look at the scene where Toothless and the LF get captured. The Light Fury smells grimmel, she calls to toothless, runs towards Grimmel and gets shot.

Toothless runs over (ignoring Hiccup’s warnings) approaches Grimmel, takes forever loading a plasma blast while sloooowly walking towards Grimmel, allowing the man to shoot him and make him go night-night.

Hiccup runs over, also taking forever. And the next time we see grimmel he’s already tied up two dragons (BY HIMSELF) in these complicated straight jackets. The other dragons come around (finally) ready to attack, yet Grimmel threatens the light fury and tells Toothless to call of the dragons.

“But isn’t Toothless asleep?” I hear you ask, and to that I respond with “no, he’s not. He miraculously woke up in time to call the dragons off, despite the light fury still being knocked out cold.”

The dragons are called off and grimmel leaves on his quad-copter. The dragons follow them, even though Grimmel didn’t tell toothless to make them follow.

Do you see how forced this is? There’s many more forced plot points, but we’ll be here forever talking about it and this post is long enough already.

Next up on the broken rule list, Dean let the antagonist win. Now it’s okay for an antagonist to win, but never in the third act.

Grimmel’s ultimate goal was for dragons to disappear. Dean himself says “he does not want a world in which dragons roam free.” And what do we see at the end of HTTYD3?

The dragons disappearing into the Hidden World forever. Exactly what Grimmel wanted.

Finally, the last rule Dean broke is having a consistent plot. Now the plot of each movie is a bit different. Httyd1: Hiccup shows Vikings that while dangerous, dragons aren’t monsters. And it’s better to work together than working apart.

Httyd2: Dragons are being captured and enslaved, we need to save them and fight for our friends.

Httyd3: toothless needs to get a girlfriend. He HAS to, despite not ever showing to want one, but he’s horny right now so YES, he HAS to.

But the franchise has an overarching narrative about humans and dragons coming together. That no matter what, they will prevail because they’re working together.

Well in HTTYD3 yes, they prevail. But the dragons leave. Why, you may ask? Because no matter what they’ll always be bad humans so there’s no point fighting.

Hiccup sends the dragons to an underground glittery cave that doubles as a prison, and six years of friendship is thrown down the drain for a female Toothless met three days prior. Hiccup tells the audience that dragons will hide until humans learn how to get along (despite the many humans that already get along with them).

And that’s it. The end. No more.

“But wait!” I hear you ask, “Won’t the dragons eventually be found again?” And to that I say, “Oh, you remember!”

Because yes, the dragons will eventually be found out again. And because Hiccup gave up on fighting for change, these humans think dragons are dangerous monsters and will undoubtedly enslave/kill them.

We even see this with his own kids! Zephyr thought dragons were monsters and was ready to hurt them in order to “protect her family”. Humans of the future will no doubt act like this as well.

Humans and dragons will never learn to get along if they are never around each other. Change won’t just happen, you have to fight for it. Like the end of slavery, or the Women’s Rights Movement. Those things didn’t just happen, people had to fight for change and they had to keep fighting because if they gave up then nothing would change.

And when the dragons are inevitably found once again, it will be Hiccup’s fault when they’re either killed or enslaved.

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howtodrawyourdragon · 6 months

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So rumor has it that the Light Fury's design was solely based around the concept of "lady dragon." Apparently, so I've heard, the team behind her design didn't want her to look "too reptilian, like a lot of dragons."

So apparently, the Light Fury wasn't allowed to look like a dragon. She had to look female.

#yikes #thw salt #httyd 3 criticism #httyd movies #httyd 3 #how to train your dragon 3 #httyd: the hidden world #the light fury

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withlovecomesloss · 1 month

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HTTYD Meme of the Week: 🦷+ 🪥 (#9)

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#httyd #how to train your dragon #httyd funny #httyd memes #httyd meme of the week #monday memes #toothless #httyd 3 #the light fury

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controversial-blorbo-bracket · 9 months

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Controversial Character Tournament Round 1: The Light Fury from How To Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World

#poll #round 1 #1 submission #light fury #httyd #how to train your dragon #how to train your dragon the hidden world #the light fury

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owlfacenightkit · 2 months

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Screenshot redraw of the Light Fury from one of the cut storyboards!

Storyboard under cut

#Artnatomy errors included #HTTYD #HTTYD THW #How to Train Your Dragon #How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World #The Hidden World #HTTYD The Hidden World #Light Fury #HTTYD Light Fury #The Light Fury #redraw #Screenshot redraw #ID in Alt

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artistryevie · 8 months

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Smaugust Day 23 Light

"Another Night Fury" "No, not quite. It's more like a Bright... Fury." "A Light Fury." - Astrid and Hiccup discovering the Light fury

I loved making the Light Fury's design for this Day! to add the color variants so she can look semi-camouflaged, I think her white scales blend in with the clouds and the blue variant blends in with the sky :D I do honestly love the concept art and original Light Fury Design since they are unique ^^

#artwork digital #digital illustration #smaugust #smaugust 2023 #art challenge #dragon #digital art #illustration #light fury #how to train a dragon 2 #how to train your dragon #how to train you dragon: the hidden world #hidden world #sky dragon #httyd fanart #httyd #httyd dragons #the light fury #the light dragon

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eemoo1o-tfrmoo · 2 months

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What's the Brother Bear au? I used to love that movie so I'm really familiar with it, how's your au "not in the way you think"?

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HTTYD x Brother Bear AU (but not in the way you think)

Okay! So the first thought would be “Hiccup kills Mrs Tooth, turns into Night Fury”, right? And that does work, but that’s not what I was thinking!

I was thinking the opposite.

Firstly, I think that Hiccup killing a Night Fury is out of character, and his own sarcasm doesn’t exactly fit with Kenai’s attitude (in the first BB). Rather, Toothless’ does, especially in the first HTTYD when the two are getting to know one another.

Derived from Stoick’s death in the second film, I think it’s actually Toothless who kills and pays the price. Additionally, I was thinking of aging Hiccup down a bit: make him 10-13 or 14 instead of 15, or maybe aging Toothless up a bit. However, I suppose it could work with them being the same age like in canon.

As for Rutt and Tuke, my original idea was Ruffnut and Tuffnut, but as much as I love that prospect of a dynamic between them and Toothless (I did contemplate making Barf & Belch human for this instead), I just don’t find much logic in them being their regular ages and Hiccup is younger…

So then I turned to Bucket and Mulch. Plus, Bucket has that Tuke energy, I suppose. Mulch is Rutt? Albeit Mulch leads most dialogue in canon like Tuke… ah, well, that part isn’t important. It doesn’t have to be completely binary.

I suppose this version makes the Light Fury Nita from the second movie? But in the “expected” version it works so much better with Astrid, so if someone wants to do that instead you have my blessing… though I don’t think my version gets a “sequel” so to speak, because it would require usage of THW and the Light Fury. Unless we go the Stormless route, of course.

I mean, that’s something to compare and/or analyse — what Brother Bear 2 did right over HTTYD THW. (I can’t believe that that sentence was ever used and I love it.) I mean, for one, Nita stays with the brothers and doesn’t tear them apart in the longterm. That’s at least something.

I guess this idea could also work with Snotlout and Hookfang.

#also the brother bear score SLAPS Phil Collins I love you… the second one’s score rocks too but not as hard. tho more nostalgic because I #originally watched the second one before ever watching the first lol #httyd #how to train your dragon #httyd 2 #httyd au #hiccup haddock #toothless #brother bear au #<- that’s the tag till I make up a name #httyd thw #the light fury #hookfang #snotlout jorgenson #asks #original post #brother bear

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youraveragerat · 2 months

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Turning the light fury concept art into its own species :3

#light fury #art #httyd #fanart #dragon #pluh #the light fury

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loveatfirstflight · 1 year

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just the two of us (just the two of us)

#how to train your dragon #httyd #toothless #the light fury #httyd au #nanna #i havent drawn clouds in years whwuhwhue #the movie: they go on a romantic flight and fall in love in 10 minutes uwu #me: cowards. make toothless pine for years #i have many thoughts but im tired wehh #my stuff

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thesillay · 1 month

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drew pearl over a silly pic of jinx :3

pearl is the name i gave to the lf since she looks like a pearl color wise and i hc that lfs are semi aquatic ^_^

#not a thought behind those eyes #httyd #how to train your dragon #httyd art #light fury #the light fury #httyd light fury #httyd the hidden world #httyd thw #httyd 3 #gooberpants5000 #shitpost

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nocturnasnadderaneas · 8 months

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painfully heteronormative httyd fans be like, “people who say the light fury doesn't have details are gaslighting us...if she doesn't have details then what are these? 😏”

and the ““these”” they're talking about be all the pink glitter painting her body and the tiny delicate scales painstakingly placed on her head and her artfully dusted pink eyeshadow.

#‘yes i love her details...the details that show off how Beautiful and Sleek and Girl she is 💕✨’#i don't understand where this is coming from either because you can love the light fury and admit that her design is blatantly sexist #nadder squawks #httyd #httyd: thw #thw salt #the light fury

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thecosmicmap · 5 months

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Now these are what Simon Otto took inspiration from to make the Light Fury.

But the Light Fury doesn’t share any of these traits other than being white. With a blue belly. To me, it’d make more sense for her to grey with a lighter underbelly with rosettes. She should also have feet that aren’t smaller than her eyes.

If she was truly made with axolotls in mind, her ear and side nubs should be bigger and she should have more than one (especially since the nubs kinda act as whiskers. She needs help with sensory).

If she was made with terns in mind, her wings would surely be shaped like them and not this.

Those wings aren’t made for flight, they’re more suited for a water dweller. Especially the tailfin.

We aren’t even going to talk about how small her mouth and claws are. Or how round her teeth look (granted, Toothless also has round teeth) or how she has no actual scales (and yet has two glitter hearts on her head). And we know it’s not because of the invisible thing, because Toothless can also go invisible, despite having actual scales.

BUT ANYWAY!

The Light Fury is supposed to be a Night Fury subspecies, right? Well subspecies aren’t that different from each other. Think of Darwin’s Finches. The only differences they have is their beaks. But compare these two.

They don’t really look that similar.

#httyd 3 #how to train you dragon: the hidden world #httyd the hidden world #i hate the light fury #light fury criticism #light fury slander #light fury #the light fury #night fury #toothless #Simon Otto #back at it again #I swear I hate the light fury so much 😭#we’re not even gonna talk about her lack of personality or a name rn

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nightfury-2001 · 1 year

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i feel like a lot of people who make lightfury redesigns never consider anything but aesthetic when doing so. what makes the nightfury in particular so believeable is how it is visually and behaviourally (in 1 at least >:/) based on real animals, it all comes together into something that feels very plausible. i think the lightfury is a little too smooth and boring but you can actually see a lot of cool concepts in there. definitely see beluga whale so maybe it hunts by using sonar to scout for schools of fish before diving into them with a plasma blast like a pelican, and then give it catfish barbels just because its cute and continues that lightning sorta thing. it just needed to go harder into what was already there i think

Even though it looks like it I actually don't think beluga whales were one of the animal inspirations for her/them - it's never mentioned in any interview/the art book/etc. and you can't really see it in any of the early/concept designs - but anyway yeah if you look you can see that the Light Fury actually does have some cool concepts/ideas behind certain aspects of her design, or at least originally did. They just ended up removing most interesting things from her design to make her more feminine or whatever and it sucks. Like they really should have kept things like the snow leopard markings, like you can't even really tell she's supposed to be partly based on snow leopards if you only look at her final design lol.

#httyd 3 criticism #httyd criticism #the light fury #light fury #nf01 speaks #reply #doodlepede

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controversial-blorbo-bracket · 3 months

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Controversial Character Tournament Round 2: Viren from The Dragon Prince vs The Light Fury from How To Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World

(remember that these characters are fictional and your fellow tumblr users are real. i will block you if you harass others in the notes, please consider sending your unhinged harassment to my inbox instead)

Propaganda under the cut, may contain spoilers:

Viren:

LOVE: - "power thirsty weasely advisor that ends up mistreating his kids in pursuit of power. my best friends that i watched the show with HATE him for this and frankly it's understandable. he's my meow meow though."

The Light Fury:

HATE: - "I know many fellow Light Fury haters, especially on Tumblr, but also many passionate defenders, not many neutral or nuanced opinions. But she absolutely deserves to be hated imo because: 1- Her design is full of human gender stereotypes because she's a GIRL dragon so she can't look reptilian and fierce like every other dragon (including every other female dragon in the films like Stormfly and Meatlug) no, she has to be perfectly smooth and have pink fucking glitter on her scales and big blue eyes because she exists for the sole purpose of being Toothless's love interest so she must be as stereotypically feminine as possible. Some people will try to defend this but it's important to understand, she is not real, she did not come into existence naturally or spontaneously, she has no agency... She was purposefully created and designed this way by the (mostly male) filmmakers. Also just because she doesn't have boobs and eyeliner doesn't mean it's not gender roles at all; other characters being worse doesn't make this one above criticism. 2- Somehow, despite looking LESS fierce than literally every other dragon in the film, her alleged purpose for existing is to be "the call of the wild" to lure Toothless away from humankind. She's only on-screen for less than 10 minutes of the entire movie, and she honestly doesn't act particularly respectful or caring to Toothless, and yet he's willing to immediately, permanently abandon Hiccup (his best friend/platonic life partner/platonic soulmate of 5 years) because this girl dragon he JUST met is pretty. (He also forces every other dragon to abandon their human friends too, because he's the "alpha" and can force them to do so.) I'm not anti-romance but I really hate when movies send the message that romance should take priority over all other forms of love, that it's acceptable or even necessary to abandon your friends once you get into a relationship. The Light Fury exists solely to push that idea. 3- The filmmakers didn't even give her name. Allegedly this is to represent how "wild and free" she is, but her offspring all get names despite being just as wild, so... Almost as if she's a completely 1-dimensional plot device rather than an actual character."

#poll #round 2 #viren #tdp viren #the dragon prince #light fury #the light fury #httyd #how to train your dragon #how to train you dragon: the hidden world #1 submission

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