#the magnus archives theory

[42069garfield]

OK THEORY ABOUT MAGNUS PROTOCOL (spoilers for the magnus archives obviously)

so at the end of season 5 jon and martin get possibly teleported to another universe??

and magnus protocol sets place in a universe where the magnus institute was burned down in 1999

so what if jon and martin got teleported to this universe and they burned down the magnus institute (they’d know what the presence of the magnus institute would bring and martin has a tendency to burn shit down)

this would also make sense considering the fears got teleported to another universe, so maybe jon and martin got teleported with them? idk maybe this is a stretch but i think it makes sense

#jonmartin #the magnus institute #the magnus archives #the magnus protocol #tma entities #the magnus archives theory #the magnus archives 2

[theanxiousghostartist]

SPOLIERS FOR THE MAGNUS ARCHIVES EPISODE 86

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"The blanket never did anything." TMA - Ep 86

This is one of my favorite lines from TMA, but is it really true. In the statement, the avatar waits for a few days before attacking for before attacking Benjamin Hatedi. Why would they do that? On day 1, they could have easily killed Benjamin, but it waited 5 days after he made his statement to kill him. Why? They needed his fear. We know avatars feed off of fear, so they had to wait to feed off of more fear. Why would they wait so long? Because the blanket did do something. In his statement, Benjamin says that the blanket was safety, or at least he thought so. Because the blanket was a safe place, he didn't exhibit as much fear. Therefore, the avatar had to wait for longer until they could drink their fill. They had to let Benjamin's fear fester for longer so that there would be more fear there.

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And a 'lil Melonie King doodle for you (:

⚠️ Eye Strain Warning ⚠️

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[lord-have-mercer]

MAGNUS PROTOCOL THEORY

In episode 114, a cleaner who worked at hill top road has an interaction with the web and ends up in a world that’s not quite the same. It’s two weeks before where she was in her home world and more importantly the magnus institute doesn’t exist. We all know that tmp takes place in an alternate universe, but what if it’s one we already know about? What if it involves investigating the disappearance of Anya Villette?

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[its-ribs]

In MAG101: Another Twist, we find out that The Distortion became Michael when Gertrude fed Michael Shelley to it. This only worked because she gave Shelley a map to The Dostortion, which meant he found its heart, where together they became Michael.

Now, it is made clear the the only reason Shelley was able to merge with The Distortion was because he had a map, which Gertrude (presumably) made by simply Knowing™️ how to make it. What I find really interesting is that in the beginning of MAG47: The New Door, Helen Richardson is depicted as trying to draw a map. At the end of this episode, she gets hallway'ed, and isn't seen again until The Distortion becomes Helen in MAG101.

HELEN BECAME THE DISTORTION BECAUSE SHE MANAGED TO MAP THE HALLWAYS

#the magnus archives spoilers #the magnus archives theory #the magnus archives #tma #the magnus archives distortion

[althea-the-angel]

So guess who went down the rabbit hole of Magnus Archives/Magnus Protocol lore. Me! (Also spoilers for the Magnus Archives I guess?)

                                        THEORY 1 (AUs are canon?)

So, in the Magnus Protocol, the institute burnt down in 1999 and there were no survivors. (https://rustyquill.com/show/the-magnus-protocol/ me? citing my sources? shocking!) 

But we know for a fact that this didn’t happen in the Magnus Archives as we still have an institute and Gertrude was murdered years later by Elias, and so couldn’t have possibly died in 1999 like she would have if the institute burnt down while she was working there.

There is also the fact that in the Magnus protocol the institute is in Manchester while the fandom wiki (https://the-magnus-archives.fandom.com/wiki/The_Magnus_Institute) says that it was originally in Edinburgh but was then moved to Chelsea in London. Neither of those place are Manchester so it’s either a continuity issue or another piece of evidence for this theory.

Given that both of these things don’t line up with tma canon, and at least the fire one is definitely intentional, I think that the Magnus Protocol is set in some sort of alternate universe (and it’s not impossible bc similar things have happened before in tma, but we’ll get back to that later). That’s not my full theory though.

                         THEORY 2 (Sometimes you gotta commit arson)

Now, we know that the Magnus Protocol is an alternate universe because of the fire, but what caused the fire to happen in the Magnus Protocol but not in tma?Welcome to the 2nd part of my theory (where I felt like a god bc all the pieces were connecting but it was like 2am and I wasn’t really thinking about things like evidence or proof) 

See, it could be that a random event happened/didn’t happen in the Magnus Protocol and we just never hear about it in tma (and I’m not willing to rule out Agnes Montague just yet considering she would have been alive at the time) but I like to think that the clues would be there for us to find, both because mysteries with clues hidden throughout are kinda the name of the game for tma and I imagine that would hold true for this, and because it’s fun.

So, if the clues are hidden throughout, then what happened in 1999 in the Magnus Protocol universe that didn’t happen in tma?

According to the timeline for tma on the fandom wiki, (https://the-magnus-archives.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline#2000 again not sure how much I trust the details to be correct but I am not going through 200+ episodes to try and assemble a timeline) only three things happened in 1999 that we know about (Copypasted bc I’m lazy)

A number of the Magnus Institute's files are leaked to the press, causing widespread derision (MAG 68).

September - Mikaele Salesa sells a meat grinder to the cook on his ship. The cook begins serving his own meat to the crew, healing himself with the meat grinder. Mikaele fights the cook, who is thrown overboard (MAG 115).

October - The Bright Lake amusement park closes its doors for the last time (MAG 156).

I doubt that the meat grinder had anything to do with the fire considering that they weren't even in the area of the Magnus Institute, and pretty much had nothing to do with it, so we can rule that one out. Which leaves us with Bright Lake closing and files being released.

I considered that Bright Lake might be involved as they’re one of the only solid Extinction phenomenon, but fire doesn’t really seem to be the Extinction’s thing, (though alternate universes, of a kind, are so maybe they are involved) and again, it’s just not in the right area of the world. (also, fun fact, there is a real Bright Lake amusement park in I think the same place as in tma, and it’s open, so that’s fun)

That leaves us with the files being released. Off the bat this one is the most likely simply because it takes place at the Magnus Institute. It was also probably meant to be an act against the Magnus Institute, which increases the likelihood of the fire and the file release being related. After all, someone who is already pissed at the Magnus Institute could easily choose to seek their revenge in different ways in different universes. The intentions behind releasing sensitive information and burning a place to the ground could easily be the same. Plus the files being released is something that’s mentioned more then once, (I think, considering that I actually vaguely remember it, it probably was) whereas the meat grinder is a statement that never comes up again, and the Bright Lake thing is a single sentence in a statement that doesn’t even take place in 1999.

                            THEORY 3 (The timeline works, so why not)

So, we’ve figured out that the Magnus Protocol is most likely set in an alternate universe, and that whoever released the files in tma was probably the one to set the fire in the Magnus Protocol, but remember how I mentioned that alternate universes have happened before in tma? (I haven't finished season 5 bc procrastination is a bitch, but I think they may be mentioned there too? idk) So in tma there’s this lady called Anya Villette. Now she makes a statement in MAG 114 and it’s basically about how she was hired to clean Hilltop Road (the house, not like the entire street) and she got transported from her universe to tma. Now this confirms that alternate universes are a thing in tma. (I think it’s also confirmed in the end of season 5 bc there were a lot of jokes about it) 

Now this next bit isn’t really a theory, but what if Anya’s universe is also the Magnus Protocol Universe. There isn’t really any evidence for this, so again, not really a theory, just a claim with a decent timeline, but basically Anya says that she’s never heard of the Magnus Institute before when making her statement. She gives her statement in 2009. (And there are some time shenanigans but it doesn’t impact the year so we’re just gonna ignore it) In the Magnus Protocol, the institute burnt down in 1999, so if the file release never happened, (which I think was said to be why everyone knew what the Magnus Institute is? I feel like I remember that but I could be completely wrong.) and the institute ceased to exist in 1999 then it’s entirely possible that Anya wouldn’t know about it, despite it existing at one point in her universe.

#the magnus archives #the magnus protocol #tma #I don't know what the abbreviation would be for the magnus protocol #It'll probably be decided after it's out #theory #tma theory #the magnus protocol theory #ok so i did some research and it looks like the abbreviation is tmagp #tmagp #tmagp theory #the magnus archives theory

[iamlostandinneedofcoffee]

Plot twist the fears are the new institute staff and the previous gang are trying to consume the world but failing

#tma #the magnus archives #the Magnus archives theory #tma theory #the fears #lostcoffeeposts

[noodlesewp]

Gerry and gertrude being fine and dandy means my crack theory from before protocol started can still happen

They may be computers or jonny could be fucking with us

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[viscerally-tired]

No but seriously have we considered whimsigoth Gerry?... I don't wanna get involved in discourse, but I do wanna throw that out there cause I haven't seen anyone else say it

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It's free, comfy, has pops of colour, and can be taken in sososososo many directions

#tma #the magnus archives #tmagp #tmagp theory #gerry keay #the magnus universe #tmagp gerry

[drownedbycoffee]

THEY AREN'T THE FEARS ANYMORE!! THEY'RE DESIRES

(SPOILERS for TMA, and all of TMAGP episodes so far)

Okay, here me out

Tmagp1: Darla wants to hear Arthur's voice again. She even says: "I just couldn’t face the thought of the rest of my life never hearing him again, I had to try" and later on she even says: "But I had to know, so I went to the cemetery."

Tmagp1: RedCanary wants to know about the Magnus Institute. They want to know why it's listed under 'cleared' when there's no evidence of it. Hence why they go and explore it.

Tmagp2: Daria wants that absolute perfection. She wants to change who she is and get out of that dark place. When she talks about the thing that she felt was missing, she says, "... and that’s when I decide I need a tattoo. I had a couple already – just little things on my shin and my wrist – but I decided I needed something big. Something that really changed my look." She also mentions when talking about Ink5oul that "they just kept pressing me about my life, about why I wanted the ink" instead of asking what design she wanted. And when she got the tattoo she describes herself as now being, "Someone I wanted to know more about." Afterwards she even says how "For the first time ever [she] wanted to attempt a self-portrait. Something real and physical, [she] wanted to feel the brushes in my hands and the oil on [her] fingertips." I think a lot of her statement is about her desire and impulsive need for that perfection and that wholeness that she has been aspiring to for her whole life.

Tmagp3: Samuel wants to stay hidden. He wants and he "need[s] to get up, get out of here for treatment." He wants to get better and most of his delirious thoughts are the things that he wants, or feels like he needs. E.g. "I so much want to see it [the sun] again. This night seems endless. I want to be warm again. I am terribly afraid. Thank god for Maddie. I need to treat her better."; "I just need to rest."; "I need to be careful or we’ll drift apart." And then obviously as the narrative continues, Samuel wants to grow and 'put down roots'.

Tmagp4: The narrator wants to be revered and accepted into the Royal Court Orchestra of the Palatinate. He wants to show off and impress. The violin "was a creature with needs and purpose of its own. The needs were simple enough. Blood. Flesh." It has these needs and desires.

So far, I'm interpreting it to be that everything so far can be interpreted as a desire of sorts, varying in the strength and intensity of it. Obviously, fear is still a big part of it all, because if you want something so badly, aren't you afraid of it being stolen from you? Of it being out of your grasp? Of it being unachievable or impossible in some capacity? Of it being a lie?

Even Sam wants to find out more. He wants to know the why and the reason for things. Gwen wants Lena's job. Collin wants to fix all these bugs and keep Freddie running. Alice wants to just get on with it because she found out that wanting to know the 'why' of things is dangerous.

I think that somehow when the Web took all the Fears into a different universe, they morphed into something else. Or they changed to fit what was the most prevalent thing in that universe, because after all, everyone wants something, even if it's something small and inconsequential. Life and aspects of it has always been characterised by that desire for something. Like people wanting food, shelter, safety, love, warmth, happiness, etc. And I think since the Web was so intwined with Jon and Martin, it absorbed some of their emotions when it found its way into this new world, because after all Jon and Martin wanted to stop Jonah/Elias, to stop the apocalypse, to destroy the Panopticon, to be safe, and they wanted each other. I think the wanting and fear of things are really entwined in it all, though this could be absolute bullshit haha

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[vertigala]

*Grabs you by the throat* Listen to me you TMAGP-loving freaks. Listen to me right now. RedCanary might be the host for this universe's Jonah Magnus.

This is under the assumption that TMAGP takes place in a parallel universe that may or may not have already had the fears in it prior to Jon releasing them at the end of TMA.

RedCanary goes to explore the Magnus Institute ruins. They become paranoid because the Eye is watching them. They pick up a wooden box with strange symbols carved into it. They go to put it back. Next we hear from them, they post an image of gouged out eyes with the caption "Canaries should stay above ground."

They found the tunnels, hence that caption. Then they found Jonah Magnus's body sitting down there, waiting for a new host.

In this universe, the Magnus Institute burned down in 1999. Maybe in this universe Gertrude went through with her original plan of burning the place to the ground after finding out Elias was actually Jonah in 1997. Either way, let's say Jonah's original body is down there, maybe with Elias's body and his eyes and all that, and with his plans foiled, he's just chilling down there waiting for an opportunity which RedCanary then gives him. This is my going theory due to the specificity of the caption "canaries should stay above ground" (referring to the tunnels, and also it being in third-person) and the fact that RedCanary themselves would be pretty unlikely to be able to post that picture of THEIR OWN EYES GOUGED OUT unless it was Magnus assuming their body and identity and being a freak about it.

But there's more.

Narratively speaking, it makes sense for the third voice in the computer to be Jonah Magnus, right? If Jon and Martin ended up in this universe as voices in a computer, the only other person sharing their fate would have to be Magnus, given how TMA ended. Recall, also, the boot-up sequence in the trailer of TMAGP.

[id: a screenshot of the text from the TMAGP teaser, which says “initializing J.01… OK/initializing M.01… OK/initializing J.02… OK”. end id.]

Jonathan, Martin, and Jonah, right? Unless Augustus is gonna be a new J name or this is just an unrelated easter egg but like. It's Jonah right?? Right??? And he's watching the O.I.R.A through the systems like a good little voyeur, and Colin knows it!

So now we possibly have TWO Jonah Magnuses in this universe!! That's absurd!! One from the TMAGP universe now loose and running around in RedCanary's body, and one from the TMA universe trapped in a computer. But if this is true...doesn't that mean there would be two Jons and Martins too?

And listen...I'm thinking about what Jonny and Alex said during that liveshow panel about this story's themes regarding "what makes a human." If we dare to hope that Jon and Martin (and Jonah, if it's his voice in the computer) are going to gain consciousness and once again become proper characters...then, are they going to simply stay in the computer? Or are they going to "manifest" physically? Are they going to UPLOAD themselves into THEIR OWN TMAGP UNIVERSE BODIES?

@doomatix and I have been going crazy over these theories and they were the one that initially considered RedCanary's new identity as Jonah Magnus. Are our facts wrong? Does any of this even make sense? We haven't seen anyone else posting about this particular theory. Someone help us we are rotting. And don't even get me started on how GWEN would fit into this--

#the magnus protocol #the magnus archives #tma #tmagp #spoilers #theory #jonathan sims #martin blackwood #jonah magnus #elias bouchard

[the-butterbun]

"There's something familiar in the figures i paint. I don't know what it is. They are so impossible in their shape and yet i feel like they all had names at some point. Like this one, Micheal, I think."

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[cult-of-the-eye]

I love the idea of digital leitners especially with the concept of terms and conditions and accepting cookies on websites I feel like they could do SO MUCH with that

#tma #the magnus archives #tmagp #the magnus protocol #jurgen leitner #tmagp theories

[confused--cryptid]

Okay hear me put

what if the fears arent the fears?

like think abt it, the statements so far havent been very afraid.

theyve all been obsession/desires.

Statement 1: Obsessed with seeing him again

Statement 2: Desire to explore the institute (this ones a lil shakier)

Statement 3: Obsession with perfection

Statement 4: Obsession with his ex (who he killed)

also jonny said the fears had been reconfigured, which what if theyve been reconfigured into the desires.

#tmagp spoilers #tmagp #tmagp theory #tma #tma theory #the magnus protocol #the magnus archives #the magnus protocol theory #jonathan sims

[field-cryptobotanist]

They have to be the same set of gambler's dice the man in the forest was selling in episode four.

The mentions of luck made me immediately think of him and they work in the same way as the violin.

They require a price it just doesn't have to be you that pays it

#the magnus protocol #the magnus archives #tmagp spoilers #tmagp #tmagp theory

[spiral-man]

I really hope they do q&a’s at the end of each season like they did with MAG, I think it would be really funny if it was just an hour of Jonny and Alex shutting down all of our theories by going “yah this is based on a mistake we made” “this is a coincidence” “I couldn’t think of anything else to name them” “we ran out of voice actors” I just think it would be really silly, just burn us all down in one fell swoop.

#the magnus protocol #tmagp #tma #the magnus archives #the magnus pod #tmagp vague #tmagp theory #jonathan sims #martin blackwood #samama khalid #alice dyer #gwen bouchard #gwendolyn bouchard #celia ripley

[faultyvessel]

I love the TMAGP logo as much as anyone but is also kills me inside that the TMA universe will now and forever be tied to the classic Christmas colour scheme

🎶Holly Jolly Horror, it’s the best time of the year🎶

#I bet it would be red because of colour theory before we saw it and was vindicated when I was right! #but then… the repercussions #i know it’s WAY TO EARLY to make a Christmas post but this is another thing that’s been eating at me since the logo was revealed #the magnus archives #the magnus protocol #tmagp #magnus pod #tma