#the most hate there was was just outright saying you're a bigot

[armoralor]

Queer Coding Pt 2 | "You only HC characters as queer for brownie points!" | Important Note: Wanting to feel included and cultivating your own joy in hostile environments is not a "performative act." Queer and trans folks are being legislated against at every turn, and real life can get heavy. No one is saying imagining fictional characters are gay is some kind of activism, none of it is being done for a pat on the head. Enjoying our free time by picturing ourselves reflected in media is a personal act, you don't have to make it about yourself (or act like your being bullied because of it). ALSO! Fetishizing queer and trans characters is not heroic or helpful to anyone in the LGBTQIA+ community. If you are cishet and find yourself hyper-fixating on queerness because it's "taboo" or "hot," do some personal reflection and reading. Additional resources and sources below. T*RFs fuck off.

Transcript: CRITICS: There is small, but loud, part of the population that is uncomfortable with trans and queer existence. Sometimes these folks are outright hateful and easy to spot, but many hide under the cover of liberalism or progressiveness while finding excuses to bash the LGBTQIA+ community for "justified reasons." The following is a small taste of the push back and hate queer fans get on their posts and some helpful ways to respond.

"Why does everyone have to be gay now?" Not all characters are gay, but some might be. It may feel like "everyone" is queer now because the previous number of queer relationships in media was zero. Going from having 100% of the representation to 95% of the representation feels like an attack when you're used to being center stage constantly.

"We need more positive heterosexual representations!" Cisgender heterosexual relationships are supported, perpetuated, and recognized by every major institution in society. Yes, patriarchal structures are toxic, but that does not mean queerness should be avoided in favour of more cishet focused media. The solution is bettering social constructs, no silencing the LGBTQIA+ community.

"Lesbians and bisexuals are transphobic + started the TERF movement!" Congratulations on perpetuating a false conservative talking point that has been disproven dozens of times! Lesbians have been statistically the most accepting of trans folks throughout history.

"You hate mothers and biological families!" Many queer and trans people have kids! Wanting to imagine your favourite characters are queer & trans does not mean there will be no kids in their life. At the same time, LGBTQIA+ folks not wanting kids is just as common as cishet people not wanting kids. None of this is an "attack" on cis women or mothers. Reducing people to their ability to procreate is fucking weird.

"This character is most likely straight!" Queer people are in the minority, we are very aware. That doesn't diminish the fact we like to see ourselves represented in the media we consume. Most people are right handed, but that doesn't mean left handed people don't exist.

"My interpretation of the source material is the most accurate and this character is obviously not gay!" Compulsory Heterosexuality is hard to unlearn, ever for members of the LGBTQIA+ community. We are force fed narratives of what het relationships look like from a young age, and often project what we are most used to onto others.

"A queer person was mean to me, therefore I must form straight solidarity groups!" First of all, please reflect on your choices and consider what that would sound like against any other oppressed group. A queer person pointing out something you don't like isn't bullying, and banding together to "promote" straight relationships in "solidarity" is both embarrassing and bigot behaviour.

Sources: Hitchcock and the Censors by John Billheimer (2019); Everything but Named: Queer-Coded Characters in 19th-Century Literature by Marie Harra (2023); Queers in American Popular Culture by Jo Johnson (2010); Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Content on Television: A Quantitative Analysis Across Two Seasons by Deborah A. Fisher PhD et all (2007); Compulsory Heterosexuality and Lesbian Existence by Adrienne Cecile Rich (1980); Unrequited: The Queer History of Hollywood by James Somerton (2023); Lesbians Being Anti-Trans Is a Lesbophobic Trope by Amy Ashenden (2023); Stop Using Lesbians Like Me To Justify Your Transphobia by Sadhbh O'Sullivan (2022); Trans Day of Visibility by Just Like Us (2023); Why Queerbaiting in Marketing and Media Is Harmful and How You Can Help Stop It by Colleen Murphy (2023)

#star wars #the mandalorian #rebels #ahsoka #din djarin #bo katan kryze #ezra bridger #ahsoka tano #sabine wren #shin hati #the book of boba fett #queer coding

[lolotheparagon]

One of the dumbest things I think you've ever said was that cartoon fans hate children because they don't like how certain child characters are written or because they think a reboot of a kids show is badly written. Like, you do understand there's a difference, right? Yeah, I totally want children dead or something because I children's entertainment can be better than those soulless, ugly nursery rhyme compilation videos that children are addicted to. Logic.

Cartoon fans always have a warped idea how children actually are. Because they forget WE WERE kids. Whenever they see a little kid character who is slightly overbearing and overenergetic, yknow what a little kid IS, the fandom calls the character "annoying", "brat" etc. And god forbid if a teenage character was their point of contention

I remember watching Transformers Prime and I thought Miko was my fave out of the human teens the Autobots looked after. Yet Ive seen so many fans complaining she was a rude, impulsive, bratty bitch and found her excitable attitude around the Autobots "annoying" because how DARE a 14 year old acts stupid and is excited to hang out with giant robots.

And this stems to how cartoon fans view children who are fans as well. I was in the brony fandom and I noticed whenever the show introduced more characters or spin offs for the sake of toys, a lot of bronies groaned how its so "girly" and "not what the show is" aka anything remotely marketable and feminine whatsoever. And they got mad when kids loved it cos it reminded them they're watching a girl's show. They outright pilloried G3 fans for liking such a baby's show when Friendship is Magic is literally no different than g3 outside of more consistent characters and its funnier. Heck, even when G5 came along and there was a poll of who their fave main character was and Pipp, the most feminine of the group who was a social media savant, had the least votes. Whereas Izzy, the g5 Pinkie Pie, was at no. 1. (which goes to show how cartoon fanbases are extremely biased to wacky comic relief characters with quasi-neurodivergent traits) Also I was exposed to a lot of fucked up shit, the porn of this fandom was unfiltered and incredibly easy to access on youtube and google. (this was before youtube kids was a thing) This is the same fandom that brought us Cupcakes and Fallout Equestria and Rarity's New Designs. All from a show thats about horse puppies being friends. And as for the little kids who were surrounded by this content, no wonder they grew up traumatised. Cos bronies didnt give a single pissing shit about the children. Look up brony horror stories. You'll see why.

Cartoon fandoms have this preconceived notion to muscle children out of the picture as possible so they can feel more secure watching kids shows without their parents judging them. They hate being reminded that the stuff they watch IS FOR KIDS IN THE FIRST PLACE. But the problem is 75% of media out there is made for children in mind. Star Wars, Disney, Pixar movies, Dreamworks movies, Batman, Spiderman, Marvel, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Transformers etc.

As for the bad reboot angle, I always firmly believed the phrase "This X REBOOT RUINED MY CHILDHOOD" is always a defensive way of saying: "THIS CHILDRENS PROPERTY IS NOT IMMEDIATELY CATERING TO ME >:(" Like they treat a reboot like its an act of betrayal when its just a piece of media changing and evolving with the generations to appeal to the newer ones. If you want the same show you watched as a kid, just watch the original thing on youtube or collect dvds and merch of it. But if you want to watch this reboot, you've got to realise change is what reboots do and if you get mad at the small/big changes a reboot makes...

You're literally Patchy in this scene

As long as a show doesnt push racist/sexist/bigoted or any problematic themes in their faces, its fine. If the kids love it, the reboots done its job.

And as for the quality of children's entertainment, I dont really give a shit what soulless nursery rhyme collection or sanitised fluff kids watch. We all had our mindless fluff we watched as kids and we didnt get scarred for life because of it.

Just...leave the kids alone. Just act like adults and manage your shit carefully. Let the kids enjoy what they enjoy and for the love of god DONT GET SO FUCKING DEFENSIVE OVER LIKING A CARTOON AIMED AT BABIES. ITS ONLY WEIRD WHEN YOU MAKE IT WEIRD.

#tw bronies #cartoon fandoms suck #these ppl jus dont know how to adult #or how to interact with children normally #my head hurts

[drdemonprince]

Hi Dr, I remember reading your article about how you would read very hateful/harmfulblogs in your time over lockdown, is there anyway to shake those ideas just stumbled upon a fashy account and just felt so weak and like I really was those things even though I know it’s all wrong

(For the uninitiated, I read a lot of detrans TERF blogs during my medical detransition phase early into the pandemic -- I also did this prior to transitioning back in 2016-17 as well.)

I never believed anything that I read on those blogs. They pissed me the hell off, and reading them and arguing with their authors in my mind helped me eventually arrive at a place of greater confidence in myself.

Many of the most outspoken members of those hate movements that I used to read have now left the TERF world, thankfully, and some are deeply committed to taking accountability for all that they've done and sharing every page from the detrans TERF playbook that they helped write. (Ky Schevers is one of them -- I don't expect anybody else to forgive her. But I think the work she's doing now is valuable and worth reading up on. But it's also okay if you think i'm a rube for thinking that.).

Reading detrans TERF blogs was certainly a means of lingering in a dark place intentionally, for me -- but it was almost a means of externalizing my very worst fears of how others might see me or think of me onto another source that I could pick apart and argue with. It certainly helped that many of the detrans TERFs that I read had lives that were transparently a mess, ruined by their destructive, obsessive worldview.

So on balance, I can't really say reading these sites itself did me all that much harm. It was the ambient transphobia of greater society that hurt me, and forced me to hate and doubt myself, and reading outright bigots who were ruining their own lives with their ideologies actually helped create more of a will to resist them within me. The fact I was a debate team kid who was very well accustomed to knowing my enemy and internally shadow boxing with them at all times also helped. i LIKE arguing. i like picking ill conceived claims apart. hell, i even like being angry and disdainful!

But that's certainly not the case for everyone. Many people internalize the negative messages that they read, if not intellectually then emotionally. I was already hurting emotionally a ton when I found myself consuming these writings, but it wasn't their arguments that did that. it was things like being rejected by my family and being in a real emotional dead-end of a straight relationship that was causing me that despair.

I think for most people, if you're in a pretty raw or vulnerable spot, the best thing to do is not read sites like these, and to block the people who create them. My fixation with TERF blogs was a special interest, and some special interests are fraught and weird and that's okay. but it doesn't sound like engaging with this topic is beneficial or even neutral for you. so id find something else to fixate on that gets your mind going but doesn't hurt your heart. maybe get into some meaningless discourse in a fandom or be toxic to people on call of duty (a methadone that i've also tried, to some success) if you need that kind of intensity but don't wanna hurt yourself.

[beevean]

hi, i set out today looking for fellow haters of the netflix castlevania show and it was honestly so tough, but amidst all the "why do people hate castlevania?? it's so great!!" circlejerks i finally found you. and thank god for it. i never played any of the games, so it's good to know at least that they make more sense in terms of characters and plot than that netflix shitshow

a friend who really loves it sat me down about a year ago and we watched the first three seasons or so together before i could finally escape it and never touched it again. i do like the animation and some of the fight scenes, but none of it comes even close to balancing out the corny dialogue, the lackluster character dynamics, and oh GOD the cultural faux pas. like?? why did they not google a single one of the romanian names they very frequently say? i heard at least three different mispronunciations of "târgoviște" and "greșit", and "țepeș" they somehow managed to get approximately half right (it's pronounced "tzeh-pesh", not "teh-pesh"). it's absolutely mind-boggling to me. wikipedia includes standardised phonetic spelling and google translate can just read it out to you. idk how it is in the games, but considering how big on alleged wokeness the netflixvania production team seems to be, they could at the very least have looked up these very basic and frequently used words once or asked a singular romanian for a pointer here and there

i am romanian, so obviously these things tick me off much more than they would someone who isn't. i just think that if they weren't going to pronounce anything right anyway and wanted to use a very generic western european backdrop (note: romania is in eastern europe), they could just as well have set the whole thing in a fake fantasy world and spared themselves some trouble. the houses look german. the priests and churches look catholic. there are way too many blonde people, especially for southern romania. i just don't like it at all

i hope you have great day btw 💞 thank you for lending me some new faith in humanity

Oh 🥺 I'm glad you sent me this ask <3 I feel that there are very few people who outright dislike NFCV (for the right reasons, at least), because you hear left and right about how not only it's excellent on every front, but So Much Better Than The Stupid games, Best Adaptation of All Time, and it kills me inside every time because am I stupid for not buying the hype? So yeah, thank you <3

I'm vindicated that you didn't like the show even without playing the games. The most common rebuttal against antis is "wah you just want the adaptation to be 1:1 with the games!" (or "wah you're just a bigot!", which drives me mad), but I always insist that the show fails on its own product as well. It's exactly as you say, and yes, I was also bothered by how every "foreigner" has an appropriate accent, but the Romanians speak in perfect British English. It wants to be inclusive but it ends up being confusing and lowkey xenophobic - what, Romanian doesn't sound sexy enough for you?

(also count your blessings that you managed to escape S4. Some of the plotlines enraged me like I can't convey in written word :) )

Eh, if incorrect pronunciation bothers you (and as an Italian who has seen what the English language does to their native tongue, I fully sympathize lmao), the games don't do much better. In one game the translator of the manual didn't know that Wallachia was a real place, they thought it was the fantasy town of Warakiya (which is how it's spelled in Japanese), and in another it's pronounced "woh-LAY-sha" lol. The chapels also look very Catholic for the aesthetic, even though the Orthodox Church exists (I'd wager that in Japan they're far less familiar with it). Overall, the settings in the games tend to be vaguer than in the show, rarely namedropped, except for two games set in Wallachia (the ones the show takes "inspiration" from) and two other titles set in Japan. The show tries a little harder, but hardly hides the historical inaccuracies and just went for the aesthetic as well :P

Same to you, anon 💕

#anti netflixvania

[anqaspond]

It's interesting how people use culture as a deflector when they're justifying certain practices across the world because it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of culture. There was a certain culture in 1950s America, but we aren't arguing that it shouldn't change to preserve the cultural sanctity of the US. That is quite literally the goal of conservatism. Cultures will and should change through time, and they don't have to be white-majority or western cultures to do that.

Most of the time, when people hear "culture", they think of the practical application by means of aesthetic values and rituals, i.e. Indian culture being chai, the architecture, Hinduism, that sort of thing - but culture is the format in which certain groups of people live their lives. Down to the way you greet people, the way you walk, the circumstances that are considered appropriate or inappropriate, what kinds of foods are considered breakfast foods or dinner foods, it is stitched in the fundamental ways you live your life, it's unavoidable. Sure, homophobia is within certain cultures, but just by virtue of them being spawned from cultural values doesn't tie them to their sanctity as well. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater; when I say I hate homophobia in this or that country, I'm not saying I hate the country itself or the culture it has, I'm saying I hate it's homophobia. I'm saying I want to be able to see it's people live with whatever identity they have comfortably and safely. That safety isn't white/western exclusive, you dingbats.

I'm finding that usually when people want to preserve "culture" to the point of finding discussions of bigotry within other cultures uncomfortable or controversial to discuss, it's because those cultures are flat to them. They aren't really formats people live their lives through, they're funny little stories for distant, not really real people, like background set lore. They aren't complex and practically applied to conscious people. They, subconsciously, are buying into the stereotyping and thought processes that outright racist people have. You are no different to a man that hates POC and thinks, for example, haha, brown people are so violent. They abuse their children. (Most of the time, mind you, those same racists do the same exact practices, just under different names.) The only thing you dislike is how cruel that sounds, you aren't digging into the meat of why it's structurally wrong and dehumanizing. You'll excuse it with a, "They do it because it's their culture! Their gods/elders/philosophies said this and that, and we aren't disrespecting their gods/elders/philosophies!" and then an actual brown person comes along, saying, Yeah I was abused, and I hated it, and it being ordained by those gods/elders/philosophies doesn't change the fact that it was abuse. and you see it as an attack on the same level of the racist. The crucial fact you're missing is that you're still stereotyping brown people. You're just flipping the attitude you take about it.

The way westerners live, they really don't register it as culture. Yes, Americans, your 9 to 5 is American culture. So is your breakfast. So is the way you speak to your parents. So are your social gatherings and your holidays. So is the way the older folks around you call you slurs and wish they could go back to the "good old days", and yes, you want a cultural change when you are being political, shaming that conservatism. It's in the name. They want to conserve. Conserve their culture. You aren't a "race traitor" or a "bigot" for wanting to change that and vying for your acceptance, and constantly insisting that I am for doing the same thing you are, the only difference being that I'm brown, is racist.

#scribeposting #thinking a lot about culture. #thinking a lot about the dehumanization of poc. #poc #woc

[yuridovewing]

Tigerstar and Sasha Diagnosis: B-

I liked it! I liked how they presented Sasha here. It's definitely different from how she is in Dawn, but it was neat to see how empathetic she was, and unfortunately how Tigerstar's ideals started to weigh down on her, making her believe she needed to get rid of her identity and even making her believe she was nothing. It's a really sad book in that context.

I also really loved all the human content in this book, it's so nice to see them have the cats actually like twolegs and to have twolegs not absolutely hate cats. Sasha misses her housefolk a lot and actively mourns for them throughout all three volumes, and the subtlety behind Ken and Jean's deaths and lives is just so tragic and good. Like man... all of this tragedy could have been avoided! Ken set it up so that Sasha could still live in the house and be taken care of by a trusted friend! How did that lady feel when Sasha never came home??? AUGH

The stuff with the Captain was the highlight for me, it was really heartwarming to see Sasha find happiness again with the Captain. I've rambled about that but I wish she could have stayed with him.. personal headcanon that after the forest is destroyed, she went back to him and she's a pirate cat now.

The things really holding it back for me are how the books seeeeem to be pushing the idea that "Oh Tigerstar wasn't ALL bad!" Which like. You could easily say that Sasha missing Tigerstar and wanting her kids to see him in a good light while also being terrified of him is the character being in a complicated relationship with him, I'm fine with that, and I always like to say that it's interesting if you give Tigerstar good characteristics alongside his bigotry, cause that's how bigots are irl, especially ones with power.

Buuut the beginning of the book, from the "erin hunter" foreward, they outright say "oh you aren't supposed to be TOTALLY relieved that Tigerstar is dead, you're supposed to feel relieved AND sad that the clans lost suuuch a good warrior just when they needed one most to fight such a nasty threat!" (No I'm not joking that's actually what they say) And it's like... weird on the author's part? Cause now it feels like they're saying "Yeah he died, but he wasn't as bad as a ROGUE, yknow, at least he was a good warrior". And like... cmon man he's a bigot. We know he's a bigot. Stop that. I do not feel upset that a "good warrior" died, I want that guy's death to be celebrated.

So it sorta comes off less as "Sasha was in a complicated relationship with this guy who ultimately didn't care about her and wanted people like her dead, and now she has to grapple with who he actually was and is struggling to heal" and more as "Aw isn't it so sad that Tigerstar was into eugenics? He could've been suuuuch a good hubby and daddy for her <3" and idk.

#if it were me though. sasha was rude and cynical in dawn. which like yeah after losing her kids its totally possible she got like that #but id probably have kept her cynicism in her backstory. not sure how. but idk i liked that sasha was kind of an ass in that book #it made total sense that she was #also i think like. maybe id have made tigerstar shittier. like hes already shitty to sasha here dont get me wrong #but this is the guy who made halfclan cats fight to the death. i feel like he shouldve had sasha watch him gut a guy #wc comics liveread

[chaoticrobotics]

What are some of the animatronic's pet peeves?

Freddy: There's not much that gets me annoyed or angry, at least not enough to call it a pet peeve. I do get annoyed with the way Monty and Roxy act at times. And there are times that staff are just outright hurtful to us. But nothing I can think of that really annoys me. I guess just being rude or mean without any reason is one.

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Chica: I HATE it when things aren't properly sealed! Like pickle jars or seasoning lids, it's so annoying! One time I got in trouble because someone didn't tighten a jar and so I grabbed it, trying to be helpful, and the lid came off and the jar shattered on the floor! How was I supposed to know it was open!? Who leaves a jar in the fridge unopened!? Especially a glass one!

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Roxy: People commenting on shit that's none of their business. Like some of you people trying to get me to talk about my love life, or telling me crap about Foxy that I didn't ask for. Have some decency and at least ASK before shoving your advice down my throat! ....That and getting my hair wet. It takes a lot of time to get it to dry and styled, so I try not to get it wet without some kind of mental preparation.

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Monty: Oh fuck, do you want a list or something? I get really annoyed with a lot of shit. People just stopping in front of me when trying to get to Monty Golf or the main stage. Kids screaming in my ear, and not like just kids screaming, I know they do that, but me holding a kid for a special picture and they just scream in my ear. Staff not respecting our own decisions, plans or whatever we are doing. Freddy. Getting my glasses taken from me. My tail getting caught in doors, especially when it's because of someone not MOVING OUT OF THE DAMN WAY IN TIME! Ugh! There's more but like, come on! If you see a six foot alligator coming your way, just MOVE!

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Sun: I can't stand people who don't follow the rules! Especially ones about safety! Those rules are there to keep you safe, so follow them! Also parents who just leave their kids here without acknowledging us, ESPECIALLY first time drop-off where they need to sign things before just letting their children go.

Moon: "Oh those types of parents are very annoying. I hate unnecessary messes. Or people purposefully making a mess just to annoy us. Then there's not getting my full time out, or the lights coming on when I am patrolling the Pizzaplex. It's even worse if you are asleep and now we both need to work overtime to figure out what to do next."

Sun: Ooooh yeah! You're right! Being forced out while asleep is so annoying!

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DJMM: I don't get annoyed or angry too often. I would say that the worst thing for me would probably be bigots. I hear plenty that is going on, and there have been quite a few hurtful comments I've heard be tossed around about the animatronics or other people. It's even worse when I hear people make fun of minorities or disabled guests. I get security to escort them out of my arcade when I can, but most of the time I can't do much considering I cannot see who said what....

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Mapbot: Not taking a map when one does not have one in their possession.

#questionnaire #glamrock monty #glamrock chica #glamrock freddy #glamrock roxanne #djmm #sundrop #moondrop #mapbot #asks #my mind is blanking for many of these asks #that i have yet to answer #mostly because they ask for EVERYONE #and i can't always think of something for everyone

[a-charaid]

Really wild to me that goyim will say "I haven't studied antisemitism so I can't recognize it so you're just a bunch of controlfreak self-victimizing attention-seekers when you say this timeless antisemitic trope is antisemitic," & then have "nazis dni" in their bio or call themselves anti-fascists or rally for nebulous equality. The ones that don't claim to be some kind of leftie are part of the same issue. When both are saying the same thing it gets reeeally hard to tell if we're talking to an outright Jew-hater or just some schmuck that really thinks their intentions negate all harm.

Other people have said it better but you can't just (claim to) hate nazis & think that frees you from perpetuating antisemitism. Nazis didn't invent antisemitism & I think most gentiles will not do the work to truly fully unlearn it b/c it Does take a lot of time & effort & self-reflection, it's not something you can do passively. Anyway, just b/c You don't see the antisemitism in something doesn't mean the Jews pointing it out just feel like whining. Either listen to us or accept that you're a bigot.

#Jumblr knows but for context: #Kafka was put in a 'tumblr women' poll. OPs removed the entry but antisemites really came out of the woodwork to defend it. #foillseachadh.exe

[roostertuftart]

This meta was sent to me during a argument, and while disagreeing with this opinion, I couldn't line up my thought to why. I want to hear ur opinion on this since you're a Kyle fan like OP and has a lot of meta posts about him. thank u for reading this post and sorry for my bad english! https://curiouscat.live/ginzura/post/1191543937

First of all, no need to apologize for your English, and it’s perfectly legible regardless! I’m going to paste the OP’s exact words here because I don’t know exactly how CuriousCat works and I don’t want to original text to get deleted so no one can see what exactly I’m arguing against, so here it is below: 

Ask: What do u think about those ppl who say  shipping kyman is bad bc you’re shipping a jew with a nazi 🧐

Answer: good question! if people really believe that then i can't blame them for not wanting to have anything to do with kyman, however my interpretation is different. buckle up cause this is gonna get kinda long though....

so first of all, cartman is without a doubt, a bigoted person. he's racist, he's classist, he's shown signs of being sexist too (though nowhere as bad as butters lol), etc. the thing is, his anti semitic remarks towards kyle for being a jewish person feel different than his other very backwards beliefs. i'll expand on this. 

take for example the way he treats token, often alluding to the fact he's black, applying stereotypes to him and commenting stuff such as 'your people'. all this because token is black, nothing to do with token's personality or hobbies, it's just because token is a black person. when he shot token it wasn't because token did something to him, it was because token was a black person, and therefore, a threat to him, a white person. with this we can assume that the first thing cartman notes about token is his ethnicity above all else. he doesn't see him as a person but just part of a minority he looks down upon.

now let's address his relationship with kyle. he belittles kyle, calls him a 'goddamn jew', has threatened his life, etc. to the naked eye you would think it's exactly the same to what he does to token but that's where i disagree. he doesn't hate kyle for being jewish, he hates kyle for BEING kyle. is it cause kyle is smarter than him? maybe. is it cause kyle makes has things he doesn't have? maybe. but the point is that kyle's very existence annoys cartman so he has to put him down and the most obvious thing he could possibly remark about kyle is the fact that he's jewish because it's a low hanging fruit. but that's not the only thing cartman has had issue with concerning kyle. cartman tried to make people turn against gingers and emphasized that daywalkers were the worst type. who is a daywalker? kyle, of course. when he found out kyle was partly new jerseyite, he was against that too. he just tries to single out kyle as a menace as soon as he has an excuse for it. and that's why i don't actually think he's a nazi as much as he's a big fucking dick with an unhealthy obsession for kyle. i'm convinced that if kyle wasn't jewish, cartman would still find an excuse to get on his case

furthermore, and this is something that escapes fans a lot, cartman has pretty much stopped calling kyle 'jew' for quite some time now. the development started in s19 where he promised he wouldn't anymore after getting the shit beat out of him by pc principal. he still did in the ninjas episode, same season, but ever since that habit has died. so, in any case, i think cartman is mellowing out…

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I’m not sure if this is the answer you’re looking for, but honestly, even as someone who really isn’t super fond of both-sided Kyman myself, I kind of agree with a lot of this take and I have for a while, though I don’t think it’s all because of Kyle either. 

Cartman’s feelings towards Judaism seem extremely complicated to me, ranging from fetishizing the religion to outright hating it, and I think in large part this all does come down to his obsession with Kyle. Whether you believe the theory that Cartman is secretly in love with Kyle or not, it’s undeniable that he is obsessed with him and getting his attention. Maybe even having the envy of wanting to be like him in some aspects. 

I’m not going to go into a deepdive into this because I’m not the most well versed about Cartman’s character as a whole, but I can go over how Cartman’s feelings towards Kyle and Judaism seem to work. 

To start off, to say that his anti-semitism entirely comes down to how he feels about Kyle isn’t really true either. In early seasons, Cartman is already spouting out some pretty nasty stuff at Kyle about him being Jewish, and I would argue that this far back, he didn’t yet really hate Kyle or have any real obsession towards him. Not moreso than the other boys anyway- In fact, he even claims to hate Kenny the most, and there seems to be a genuine effort on his part to be liked by Stan and Kyle who tend to pick on him or show their outright hatred towards him- That’s not to say Cartman isn’t an asshole himself, but that seems like how he is towards everyone- He genuinely seems to crave their attention though, especially in episodes like Prehistoric Iceman. We’ve also seen that Liane seemed to have a pretty bad influence on Cartman at this time, teaching him some fairly bigoted shit. It feels likely to me that Liane probably had some if not full influence on Cartman’s opinion on Jews at this time, as she probably did with everything else he believes, leading to his general bigotry towards most minorities that he still holds today. 

What I agree with OP about though is that if Kyle had not been Jewish, Cartman would not be so intent on his anti semitism. I still believe he would probably be in the same way he is racist towards black people like Tolkien, but I can’t see him being nearly as obsessed with it, nor do I think he would fetishize it as much as he sometimes does. Cartman’s hatred of Jewish people in large part is because of Kyle, not the other way around. Of course, this isn’t at all Kyle’s fault and is still extremely egregious on Cartman’s part, but I think it’s important in meta discussions of how Cartman thinks and feels towards Kyle. 

One thing in OP’s post that does bother me however is the last part- Cartman “mellowing out”. I really don’t like the implications that Cartman’s antisemitism becoming more subtle is the equivalent to it being less, or even an improvement on Cartman’s behalf. Like, I do agree that he’s a child who has had a lot of bad influences and that he’s not beyond outgrowing his bigotry, but the show itself hasn’t really given us that just because Cartman doesn’t call Kyle “jew (derogatory)” anymore. We can’t get into his head obviously and see exactly what he thinks of Jewish people now but it’s pretty clear to me that he still holds a lot of antisemitic values and likes to torment Kyle in targeted ways because he’s Jewish. 

Season 21 and the first episode of season 23 are pretty obvious signs of that. In S21Ep7, he straight up told Heidi conspiracy theories about Jewish people and basically convinced her that Kyle has been manipulating her simply because he’s Jewish, as well as even going as far as teaching her that Jewish people are always “trying to get ahead of everyone else”. This isn’t some micro aggression he accidentally dropped despite showing vast improvement most of the time, this is extreme Nazi rhetoric, and it’s just as dangerous and damaging as the shit he was saying before Season 19. In S23Ep1, Cartman uses ICE to have Kyle’s family separated and placed in detention facilities in an extremely targeted act of revenge. He knows what he’s doing, and it’s obvious. He’s not stupid, and I don’t know how anyone can fall for his very clearly fake act in the episode that he somehow suddenly forgot Kyle was Jewish and that this situation would be something Kyle would be extra sensitive to. I’m going to give the benefit of the doubt that OP just forgot about these episodes but this is NOT an improvement in his behavior. It’s just more subtle and manipulative on his part which is disturbing and dangerous in its own right.

And then to talk about Cartman in the recent specials, I think there’s a strong argument for his behavior towards Judaism just seeming really fetishistic and even disingenuous, so even if his hatred isn’t there he’s still pretty antisemitic. 

So yeah, TL;DR, Cartman’s antisemitism seems to mostly revolve around his hatred/obsession with Kyle and he has not mellowed out in any positive ways since Season 19. 

#kyle broflovski #eric cartman #kyman #tw antisemitism #south park meta #me talking #ask #anon

[villains4hire]

🔥 [[ topic...how about ship wars? Or you can pick something else it you prefer! ]]

//I'm gonna put this under a readmore because of the graphic content I've seen and I'm not gonna be not so nice about it. I track anons as a warning to anyone eager to send me something over this. Anyone reading this has been warned about extremely triggering content. As I will be covering this from top to bottom from how much grief ppl have caused in the rpc over ships.

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First off: We're gonna start off with the heavy shit such as rape, pedophilia pairing stuff in the communities bc it's not as much of an issue in tumblr anymore. Though while still there sometimes? It's still an issue in other platforms like twitter.

So rape can be portrayed and fade to black, but I don't think it should ever be actual smut or part of ships or anything that someone can get off to or said it's a good. Because you're pretty much just making fetishist rape porn at that point. Same for pedophilia as it can't be positive for something that extreme or show that it's okay. That's just flat period and something other than background or darker settings should never really be an outright element otherwise as most of the rpc does not want or care about that shit. There's no such thing as antis when it comes to that, you either support pedophilia/rape in positive lights, portrayals or just outright want porn like a sick fuck but you're too much of a spineless bitch to admit it, period. What it doesn't mean: that you can take things like Jasper's forced fusion or call the character a rapist for doing inhuman things to begin with or 'toxic relationship where she's a rapist/pressuring Lapis for what you see as sex'. You're mentally deranged for making that comparison and yes, this is a REAL thing that actually happened in tumblr SU and twitter SU discourse and it was super braindamaged and then the same ppl. Fucking kissed Lapis's ass when it was revealed she was the controller of the power dynamic bc their lil uwu snowflake glorbo was suddenly the rapist by their logic and defended her in a panic. Fuck off, don't make those stupid ass takes toward kids media to begin with you fucking morons. You CAN take media that's not exactly adult and add elements and all that, but for the love of god, try to make some sense, not go too crazy, as most don't but when they do? It's so mentally unhinged and I'd almost argue actually delusionally braindamaged. As I will use that word for this bc it is, I don't want to see that kind of themes in open kids media/rp blogs unless you're a centered adult rp blog like I am that bar kids from seeing it. That's fine, you can have tragic backstories and all that but be open about it in your bios, rules of what you do, don't spring the topic of SA or such elements when doing that kind of fandom by surprise or having it unlisted unless you never plan on talking about it openly/openly rp someone being faded to black or a memory like ffs.

I say this stuff from top to bottom as Camp Camp, Rick and Morty on the tumblr fandom and more had people openly shipping Morty with Rick and posting porn in the main tags before the porn purge. Then same for Camp Camp with David and the Campers or even ppl in the rpc being into that shit. Like, it was bad, really bad back then years back. Like some of it may seem unrelated, but a lot of it stems from 'shipping wars' or ppl claiming someone's an anti for very GOOD reasons bc they're actually just covering ass for someone else or their own for sick fantasies.

Moving on.

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Secondly: you can have toxic ships, surprise, surprise. So long as it's just an abusive relationship in a couple, I don't care.

There are bigger problems in the to world to worry about, and yeah, so long as it isn't like a thinly veiled mask for hating women, men, or some other group like a race or gender identity/sexuality. It's really whatever honestly, be smart about it, as is your character a misogynist/bigot and it's clear it's a part of their established canon or an oc that's a prick and not a good person or meant to be? Then yeah it's fine, ppl don't need to bend ass over backwards to explain themselves or cover their ass or explain themselves to you, you're not entitled jack fuck, so eat it. I don't think taking aspects like SU's fusion or other things in kids media for toxic relationships should ever go beyond: 'toxic' or showing this relationship is 'bad' and here's a generic example why to a power dynamic. I think if you DO want to go a darker route, you need to be a purely adult blog, not push that garbage in the broader rpc or fandom space as if it's a children's media, don't be a deranged moron about it. Thanks.

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Thirdly: I myself have been harassed for Verosika (When I had her) and or Stella bc of their relationship to Blitz or Stella as thinly veiled anons.

I have tracked these ppl's IPs and for a time had them blocked or kept them blocked. People are not your punching bag for portraying a ship you don't like even if IC unprompted or making it unclear it's not an IC prompt, as when you talk with your feelings for an ask, it's pretty clear you're an insecure dumbass about your precious glorbos in a gay ship or ship getting ragged on by something ic to the point you need to go ass overbackwards to defend it or even send unironic hate disguised as an ask prompt.

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Fourth: no one gives a fuck about your OTP or NOTP outside of your space, even then it's questionable. If you can explain it in a healthy, non-passive aggressive manner or to the point of not being vaguing, then fine, go ahead. Criticism is always fine, always will be. Otherwise? Stfu, no one cares about your negativity, and no one cares if you have a problem with someone liking a ship.

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#ooc #countlessrealities #answered #spicy goopy #//wrote this in like 20ish-30 minutes. So there u go. Enjoy my thoughts for my near entirety while writing of being online over the years

[softambrollins]

So, I can't speak for other Roman fans, but I can speak for myself and a few others, who have already admitted that Roman's comment was wrong and he shouldn't have said it. So, I'm not exactly what you or anyone else wants from us at this point. And to that other anon's point, I'm pretty sure they're referring to what Seth has done to Roman in the past storyline wise, as I have no knowledge of anything bad happening between them in real life.

So, storyline and character wise is the only thing that makes sense to me, since Seth was also playing a heel character at that time, and just like every other heel, he too did and said shitty things. Obviously, I don't recall him saying anything that was outright offensive. Just that he did other bad things during that time.

The point is, they both have done terrible things to each other. Once again, no, that doesn't mean I think that what Roman said was right. I am not excusing him or giving him a pass. Let's please not get that confused.

i don't 'want anything' from you or any other stranger on the internet. the same way i'm not obligated to say or do anything to please other fans as a fellow fan. people can have whatever opinion they want. and other people can call those opinions out if they think they're bad. i haven't even seen anyone on socmed defending it except for the edgelord bigots who are nostalgic for the attitude era.

my main problem isn't even the offensive part. it's that it's a really lame line and i'd expect better from roman who people praise for his promos and his character work. i've been saying the whole time that roman's cheap insults to seth aren't funny or witty and he should come up with something better. that's my opinion. some people probably think it's funny.

it's not even really about roman or that comment itself. i think the conversation wrestling fandom is having is important and long overdue. people are expecting more from wwe and wrestling in general. it's not like the AE where you can just make poop jokes or degrade a woman or call someone gay or use raunchy humour and everyone laughs and thinks it's great because your audience is made up of 13 year olds or people with the mindset of 13 year olds. even seth's 'diarrhea dwayne' line was him mocking that promo style, although that seemed to go over most people's heads.

of course heels do bad things. it's wrestling. trying to murder babyfaces? it's expected. sexist or homophobic or racist insults? yes it's fiction but one obviously has a real world impact that the other doesn't because you're perpetuating hate and discrimination against those groups of people including those who are in your audience.

#ask #Anonymous

[demonvoucher]

i think bullying bigots is fun and should be encouraged actually

#zzz #''hateful posts'' i WISH there were hateful posts #the most hate there was was just outright saying you're a bigot #you WISH you got hate #all it was was queer and nd people warning OTHER queer and nd people about your horrific ass #the best hate you got was some rando commenting 2/10 on your fanfictions that read like a grade schooler's

[lgbt-stims]

No hate but like about the transmisandrist flag: I can't help but feel you're painting transmascs as a whole as the main perpatraitor of transmisogyny when from what I know it's Terfs and Cis folks, like I read the tags and understand you're apparently joking but even so, it's painting transmascs as a group in a bad light and in my opinion playing right into terfs hands, we need solidarity not to be at eachothers throats. Not to be one oppressed group making jokes at another's expense, with that kind of logic a group of native americans would be allowed to make a racist joke about a group of black people, there's a massive difference between reclamation and just working for our oppressors, even on accident. For example, for the trans lesbian mod, all gender aside, howd you feel if a gay man made a "useless lesbian" joke? It's very much in the same vein, but anyways, thank you for your time, I hope you hear my opinion

A trans woman being accused of being a “transmisandrist” for just existing as a trans woman, and taking this and making a joke about it is not in any way even remotely on par with outright racism and lesbophobia. The flag compiles things that transmascs do to trans women to label us as transmisandrist, ie literally just existing as trans women and expecting to be treated as people, and making a joke out of the idea that trans women wanting to not be hurt by transmascs is somehow actually bigoted. The flag is literally “for when youre tma and youre an evil transmisandrist or transandrophobe because ummmm youre tma and dont like transmisogyny thats all that qualifies someone as being bigoted towards trans men apparently”. This is in no way comparable to a nonblack person being racist, nor is it even comparable to “useless lesbian” jokes. These two examples are just mockery of Black people and lesbians. This flag is a mockery of the idea that trans women are “transmisandrists” for wanting to be treated as human, not a mockery of trans men.

The idea that this is “working for our oppressors” (t/rfs in this case) is absolutely wrong. No, trans women joking about the way trans men mistreat them is not helping t/rfs in any way. The notes have literally been full of t/rfs vehemently defending trans men and being vile about trans women. If you think t/rfs saw that post and thought poorly of trans men, you’re dead wrong. Every single one of them has been defending them and praising them. You are not the object of t/rf hatred, despite the fact that you are an object of transphobic hatred. There is a major difference.

Furthermore, the idea that transmascs (both binary and nonbinary - mlm and wlw) are not a main perpetrator of transmisogyny could not be more false. Transmascs are absolutely one of the main perpetrators of transmisogyny, both online and in person, all tme trans people are. They are probably the most prevalent and most dangerous transmisogynists, because unlike cis people, they are inside the community and have an immense amount of leverage against transfems because of it. If a cis woman says “Trans women are predatory and scary, they try to infiltrate our cis women’s spaces and force us out so they can have a dickhaver only space. They’re so oppressive and they aren’t even that oppressed compared to us”, most trans people will recognize it as transmisogyny. If a transmasc says the exact same thing, it’s excused and even praised because they are also trans, and “you're painting transmascs as a whole as the main perpatraitor of transmisogyny when from what I know it's T/rfs and Cis folks”. Transmascs constantly traumatize and endanger transfems, just like t/rfs and cis people, but they do it while hiding behind the fact that they’re also trans and so they get away with it. Tme trans people often don’t care about the bigoted feelings of a cis person towards a trans woman, but they obsessively cater to the bigoted feelings of a transmasc (or other tme trans person) towards a trans woman. Tme trans people are still absolutely capable of transmisogyny, and often are transmisogynistic, and trans women have every right to talk about transmisogyny in the lgbt community without being accused of bigotry. Which, ironically, is exactly what the flag was talking about.

#this was a very long response. i hope this all explains it #ask #anonymous #mod rose #transmisogyny

[ill-be-istj-if-no-one-else-is]

what do you think is the most likely type to pull off the "agree to disagree" thing when they want to stop an argument? i hate it so much lmao. If i'm discussing smth with you is because 1) either i am right and want to prove a point/show you you're wrong or 2) im unsure and want other perspectives/i think im right but im actually wrong, in which case you should convince me of your argument/show me where im wrong. like... make it make sense.

The TJs are most likely to do this successfully, followed by FJs and FPs who are tied for different reasons, followed by mature TPs. The only people who don’t ever do this are people with no understanding of human psychology and who have no better things to do.

To your first point: mighty bold of you to assume you’re right. Sometimes you are! But also there are like, flat-earthers and anti-vaxxers and people who think aliens built the pyramids, not to mention, uh, racists/homophobes/bigots of all stripes, and most of those people are not like “hmm I think these things but I might be wrong :)”. No, they are like “I absolutely believe the earth is flat and I shall prove it”. A man literally built a rocket and died when he crash-landed in the pursuit of proving the earth is flat.

Sometimes people are right despite everyone thinking they’re wrong. The problem is a whole lot of people, not all of whom are high Ti users, think they are Galileo against the Catholic Church, speaking a truth that has been deemed heretical, when they are in fact tin-foil hat nutjobs (or, again, like, outright bigots who believe certain people are subhuman). And this happens on a far less extreme scale too, and so many people will be able to pick up on the simple truth that sometimes, people can be wrong and refuse to look at evidence for whatever reason and continuing an argument with them is pointless.

There are also a such thing as cases where we are not debating a fact but an opinion, and this isn’t an opinion where there will be any end outcome, and some people are bad at understanding that particular nuance and are like “HOW DARE YOU DISLIKE MY FAVORITE BOOK” and it’s like, well, I do, and this is not a judgment upon you or your tastes but merely me having different ones, and this argument is pointless so I’ll just be like “it wasn’t for me! glad it brings you enjoyment! bye!” because, and I think this is a key point here, tons of people don’t actually like arguing unless there is a clear end goal that arguing will bring about. Some people like arguing for its own sake! Many people do not. I do not. Sometimes my end goal is to show why my idea is good! Maybe we’re deciding what to do tomorrow, and there are two different ideas, and I vastly prefer one, and we only have time to do one, and I have a clear goal here: to convince my argument partner(s) why we should do the think I want. But if it’s an argument of whether chocolate or vanilla ice cream is better, like, you can like what you like and I can like what I like, my only goal here is to stop this boring discussion of ice cream flavors and actually obtain some ice cream for myself.

To your second point, if you are looking for opposite perspectives, have you expressed that? You didn’t give an example, so it’s absolutely possible the other side is not providing any evidence to convince you and is shutting down the argument for reasons that range from bad (too lazy to bother providing sources, which takes like 5 minutes and which they should do) or good (perhaps this is totally a matter of opinion and the outcome of this argument is literally nothing).

I can’t say why people do this, particularly without knowing the nature of the argument. Sometimes you are right and you’re dealing with a whiny baby who is wrong and won’t admit it, and that is frustrating, but again...you continuing to argue won’t make them magically stop being like that, so may as well quit and spend time on something that’s productive or at least not infuriating. But sometimes you’re arguing about something trivial and no one else wants to argue with you and you won’t shut up, or you’re wrong and ignoring the evidence, and so “agree to disagree” is a polite way to say “I think you are an annoying idiot and I am not enjoying this argument so I am putting an end to it.”

I’ve been in various organizations where there’s been voting on issues or on internal elected positions, and the magic phrase is “will anyone be swayed by further discussion.” If no one will be swayed, some people might be doing something wrong, but arguing is a waste of everyone’s time. Argument requires at least two consenting partners, and “agree to disagree” is someone revoking that consent.

#mbti #Anonymous

[sharpened-fantastic]

what are the reasons to vote for Biden? because you're out here talking about how we shouldn't vote green/abstain from the presidential, but can you please tell me what exactly would be different about a Biden presidency vs a Trump one? besides that a second Trump turn would keep liberals engaged and give us more chances to radicalize them. Joe Biden is just as bad as Trump on nearly every level and if he miraculously wins the gen, the DNC will be left unchecked. I'm curious on who that helps!

Hey! A genuine thank you for sending a full, non-anonymous ask. 

However, the biggest thing to remember is that having a democrat in the office will lead to policy changes and will change how our country is shaped for literal decades to come. 

Yes--Biden is a shit head, he would probably continue a lot of the racist and outright idiotic policies that Trump either put in place or continued from previous presidencies. I wish it weren’t true but that’s a simple fact. I agree that this sucks dick and makes me not want to vote at all.

One BIG thing is having a leader, regardless of political views, that has literally any political experience other than “accidentally got elected for four years as president”. Even compared to other presidents, even other republicans, his approach is overly militaristic, explicitly fueled by monetary gain, and he refuses to bend to even feign concern or duty towards American citizens. His open xenophobia (that has literally been UNPRECIDENTED, even to other politicians sharing his beliefs) has allowed greater mobility and reach for hate groups, and has let other politicians feel more comfortable in presenting non-coded, upfront, racist policy. It’d be one thing if it just showed the American public “oh wow, all of these places were racist the whole time”, but elevating literal concentration camps (yes, those did exist during the Obama era) to “let’s use abandoned warehouses to strip kids from their families, live in conditions we legally don’t let a lot of animals live in, and give them marked psychological scarring!”, among other things (I’m gonna put references at the end of this I’d hate to be talking purely out of my ass).

Trump is also horrifically undiplomatic--severing or straining our ties to other developed nations--, overemotional and unprofessional constantly on social media, and speaks positively on radically bigoted and backwards groups.

I think you’re giving Trump a lot of credit by saying he and Biden are equally bad. Both racist? yes. Both made bad policy decisions? oh yeah. However, Biden is still left enough that the democratic party accept him, the republican party has been squabbling since 2016 that Trump is too right-wing for republicans. Let’s have a president that even pretends to condemn Charlottesville or the dozens of other explicit hate crimes across the country. Let’s have a president that has better tax policies, or maybe even pays their taxes at all! Sure, they’re both bad! It’s a shit situation we’re in! But would you rather be trapped in a room with a child throwing trash, or a child setting the room on fire? 

Oh and one other big thing, I don’t want Trump choosing the supreme court for an entire generation, thanks.

Who knows, that’s up to you I guess, and if you don’t wanna vote I can’t stop you, I mean, it’s punishment enough that you’re gonna have to live with your decision. 

Here’s the biggest thing to remember: voting isn’t fair. It’s a broken system that supports those who abuse it, and those who abuse it are shitty people that don’t deserve that power. HOWEVER, refusing to vote only allows those who support people who abuse power to become more brazen in their racism, disregard for the American public, and signals to republicans “we give up! we swear we’re gonna have a revolution one of these days, but until then, you choose who’s in office!”

Biden is the wrong choice for presidency, but he’s our only choice. I don’t support Biden, I support voting, and I refuse to support letting Trump have another minute in office just to “radicalize leftists”. Not to be rude, but I think anyone who’s gonna get radicalized in this direction has been radicalized, but there are plenty of centrists that were taught “racism is bad” in grade school, but are getting a ton of support from the “racism can benefit you” crowd.

Ok, I’ve held off from the caps lock and stupid italics and bold for long enough, but “a second Trump turn would keep liberals engaged and give us more chances to radicalize them.”?! 

Are you fucking kidding me???

I don’t think anyone should have to think on having their political ideologies shifted while hundreds of Americans die due to lack of access to basic necessities, having their families torn apart, and while the future of the country burns in the background. Trust me, regular republicans do enough heinous shit to radicalize me and the majority of my group, you just normally need to dig ever-so-slightly deeper than surface level to see it, and providing that information to people is something I’m willing to do to get Trump out of office.

I really hope that I’m misreading what you said there, because holy hot fuck is that the most disgusting thing I’ve heard all fuckin month.

But here’s the biggest thing! VOTING IS SO EASY TO DO. PLEASE JUST DO IT. DON’T ACTIVELY ALLOW TRUMP TO WIN. I KNOW IT’S MUCH MORE DIFFICULT IN SOME STATES COMPARED TO OTHERS, BUT IF YOU DO HAVE THAT PRIVILEGE I WILL BURN YOU TO THE GROUND IF YOU THROW IT AWAY. 

Sorry, this was way longer and more of a rant than I intended. TL;DR--

Both are bad, but saying that Biden is “just as bad” as Trump is flat-out irresponsibly ignorant

One has political experience. That’s it that’s the bullet point.

As far as bad presidents go, Trump has been fuckin record breaking

Trump goes on overemotional, uneducated rants on social media, refuses to speak against extremely open, literal hate speech groups, and is straining America’s relationships with all other developed nations

There are some differences in their policies, again, both are bad, but this is not the time for black and white thinking please 

A radical president radicalizes people in both directions

I can’t even properly express my distaste for the comment “a second Trump turn would keep liberals engaged and give us more chances to radicalize them” I am literally praying that I’m misinterpreting what you’re saying right now, holy fuck

IF YOU CAN VOTE AND YOU CHOOSE NOT TO, I’M MORE ENRAGED AT YOU THAN PEOPLE WHO STILL THINK THIRD-PARTIES CAN STILL WIN, BECAUSE AT LEAST THEY GIVE ENOUGH OF A SHIT TO ENGAGE WITH DEMOCRACY. 

Ok references (sorry they’re all in the wrong order and of varying quality): x x x x x x x x x x x

#sorry i'll stop this shit soon #i'm just so angry #I wanna give up too bitch!! #I don't wanna vote for Biden either!!! #fucked up how that is huh?? #shitpantworld

[some-jw-things]

I find it so hard to be friends with Christians? My mom and I talk about it a lot. Christianity and churches are just so focused on proselytizing and converting and on the fact that if you dont believe, you're going to hell, and it's so hard to know all that and be friends with someone. Especially as an ex christian. And it's something, at least in our expierience, that's unique to christianity. There isnt even a concept of a righteous nonbeliever. Idk

I actually wouldn’t be able to say much on this. I am not friends with any Christians, because every Christian I have ever met has been a hateful bigot. That sounds really bad to say, but it is entirely circumstantial— I live in a rural farming community. Areas like this, most bigotry is taught at the church. Typically ideological breaks happen with the religion first and then with its politics

And in defense of Christians to make this post seem less mean, I do know one Christian who is maybe not evil. She’s a pastor and her kids are in the program I work at, so about once a month we make very brief small talk, and she has never said anything outright malicious to me. I don’t know of any “tolerant” churches in the area, but this woman works in a big city a bit farther away than I ever go, so anything’s possible

#ask #ex jw #ex cult #apostate #religion #christianity #ex jehovah's witness #exjw #jworg