#then aroace and oriented and angled and bi and aro HA

[eldorr]

Alspec / Al

Angular Flag (left) || Simple Flag (right)

An alternative term/label to describe being "Aspec", however with emphasis on how one feels like their attraction is important to how they experience being Aspec. In this case, someone whose Alsexual, may describe their sexuality as being BOTH Allosexual and Ace/Asexual or Acespec/Asexual Spectrum.

One who is Al feels as if both their attraction and how they experience their attraction as Aspec are both equally important to one's identity. For this reason Al or Alspec doesn't include those with a lack of attraction, such as Ace Aro Apl, etc. unless they're Al in another type of attraction. (In short this term doesn't cover Alloace and Alloaro in the case of not experiencing attraction period.) Al does however include those who feel as if one section of their orientation is both A and Allo, such as Asensual and Allosensual at the same time.

In general, this term can be used as an alternative to using terms such as Aspec, Gray-, etc for folks who view their form of attraction to be on equal level as who they're attracted to. This can include folks who are always on the spectrum between A- and Allo- without ever being fully either, or feeling as if no matter their orientation at the time, both labels are important to oneself.

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This term was coined mostly due to the fact a lot of Aspec positivity or representation in posts is done with a heavy emphasis on being Aspec versus one's attraction as a whole. At least that's what I've seen a lot. In general I relate to both A- and Allo- experiences on pretty much an equal level and feel as if both how I experience my attraction is as important as who I'm attracted to.

In general I've used Grayace (Graysexual) to describe my sexuality as that's the closest thing under Aspec to describe my experience. However I've always felt who I'm attracted to is just as important as my Aspec identity. So this term was created, simply taking an L from Allo and slapping it onto A.

Later I'll be posting some sublabels for this term, henceforth why I also call it Alspec other than it just being an alternative to Aspec. This'll include Alsexual, Alromantic, Alplatonic, etc. I'll likely also coin Alace and Alaro (similar to Alloace and Alloaro) along with Alrose (similar to Aroacespec or Angled Aroace.)

Coining something like this has been on my mind for a while now, due to being Aspec in many ways, however not really relating to much of Aspec positivity due to the overwhelming emphasis on one's Aspec identity vs one's attraction or orientation as a whole.

For example, someone who is Al may prefer combo flags or terms over them being separated. Such as a Demisexual Bisexual, one may call oneself Demibisexual or just Demibi, and solely use a Demi & Bi combo flag instead of using both the Demiace and Bi flags. Someone who's Al may also just adjust their orientation flag, (ex: lesbian) to follow the angled format of the Al flag, and/or make a new simple-striped flag all-together along with it. These are just examples of how one may show oneself being Al vs prioritizing one part of their orientation over the other. Someone who's generally Acespec and Bisexual may also just call oneself Albi (Al-Bi).

TDLR; Al or Alspec is a term for those who feel equally connected to both Aspec experiences and Allospec experiences in a single form of attraction. Can be used as an alternative umbrella term instead of Aspec for those who feel this way about their orientation.

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The flag's stripe meanings are as follows:

Red, First Stripe: Anattractional (such as Ace, Aro, etc) and Alspec Solidarity

Orange, Second Stripe: Complicated forms of Attraction

Pink, Third Stripe: Allospec Identities

White: Fourth Stripe: Feeling as if one's attraction is both Aspec and Allospec.

Gray, Fifth Stripe: Anattractional Spectrum / Aspec Identities

Light Blue, Sixth Stripe: Varying Interaction Stances. (Such as being Romance-Indifferent and/or Touch-Ambivalent.) Includes complicated boundaries due to being Alspec.

Blue, Seventh Stripe: Allospec and Alspec Solidarity

The bend/turn in the flag could also represent the intersection of Aspec and Allospec identity. These meanings aren't the only thing this flag can represent, these are just things that come to mind when describing feeling as if one is both Aspec and Allospec in the same form of attraction.

#long post #coining #mogai #liom #queer #lgbtq+ #imoga #term coining #orientation coining #flag coining #aspec #allospec #alspec #al #al-

[void-tiger]

my paper stars are so wonky!! Aw well, still fun

#tiger’s musings #pocket full of stars #need a break tho #pinching the corners to make them Stars vs Pentagon Discs kiiinda makes my nerves annoyed at me #go figure #oh yeah #and once I finish that lisafrank rainbow bottle #I’m gonna make an ace themed one #then aroace and oriented and angled and bi and aro HA

[thewolfofthestars]

Very happy and excited to announce that I made a new picrew! This picrew will allow you to create personalized pride flags!

This picrew is free for everyone to use and edit as they so desire. You don’t have to credit me for it. My one rule is that this is not to be used for any commercial purpose whatsoever.

Here’s how it works:

The top row is for sexuality flags. The left side has flags for many different identities, and the right side is for asexual spectrum identities in particular. If you don’t identify as being on the ace spectrum, you don’t have to include a flag on the right–the flag you select on the left will cover the entire top row. This is true for all of the flags in this picrew.

The heart in the middle is for romantic orientations. The left side has lots of different flags for romantic orientations, and the right side has flags for aromantic spectrum identities. If you don’t experience split attraction, you don’t have to include this heart.

The bottom row is for gender identity flags. The left side has flags for many different genders, and the right has more obscure or specific genders, as well as a few other miscellaneously queer options.

The semicircle at the top is for pronouns. This part is also optional.

I’ve tried to include many different flags, but of course there’s lots out there that I don’t know and haven’t included. If you have a flag you’d like added to the picrew, feel free to let me know!

However, do be aware that picrew has an upper limit on how many options I can include, so if I don’t have any more space then I may not be able to add it in, unfortunately :( currently there is still space for flags for all of the parts; if that changes at any point, I will edit this post to let y'all know. Also, it will take be a little while to get a new flag added in, so please do be patient.

These are the currently available options, in order of appearance:

Top Left–rainbow pride, alternate rainbow (black and brown stripes), another alternate rainbow (pink and turquoise stripes), lesbian, gay male, bisexual, pansexual, polysexual, omnisexual, asexual, quoisexual, abrosexual, ceterosexual, heterosexual, queer, questioning, trixic, toric

[MORE!] sapphic, achillean, diamoric, Sappho lesbian, demisexual, gray asexual, enbian, jaspian, gynesexual, androsexual, multispec, oriented aroace, angled aroace, aroace, iridian, opalian, unlabeled, homoflexible, heteroflexible, mspec lesbian

[MORE+] mspec gay, bi lesbian, bi gay, pan lesbian, pan gay, polysexual lesbian, polysexual gay, omni lesbian, omni gay

Top Right–asexual, gray ace, demisexual, aceflux, abrosexual, quoisexual, reciprosexual, lithosexual, apothisexual, nebulasexual, acespec questioning, inactsexual, cupiosexual, fraysexual, aegosexual/autochorissexual, placiosexual, lamvanosexual, oriented aroace

[MORE!] angled aroace, aroace, malasexual, acevague

Heart Left–rainbow pride, alternate rainbow (black and brown stripes), another alternate rainbow (pink and turquoise stripes), lesbian, gay male, biromantic, panromantic, polyromantic, omniromantic, aromantic, quoiromantic, abroromantic, ceteroromantic, heteroromantic, queer, questioning, trixic, toric

[MORE] queerplatonic, sapphic, achillean, diamoric, Sappho lesbian, gray aromantic, enbian, jaspian, gyneromantic, androromantic, multispec, oriented aroace, angled aroace, aroace, iridian, opalian, unlabeled, homoflexible, heteroflexible

[MORE+] mspec lesbian, mspec gay, bi lesbian, bi gay, pan lesbian, pan gay, polyromantic lesbian, polyromantic gay, omni lesbian, omni gay

Heart Right–aromantic, gray aro, demiromantic, aroflux, abroromantic, quoiromantic, recipromantic, lithromantic/lithoromantic, apothiromantic, nebularomantic, arospec questioning, queerplatonic, polyamorous, inactromantic, idemromantic, cupioromantic, frayromantic, aegoromantic/autochorisromantic

[MORE!] placioromantic, lamvanoromantic, oriented aroace, angled aroace, aroace, malaromantic, arovague

Bottom Left–cisgender, transgender, transfeminine, transmasculine, nonbinary, genderqueer, agender, neutrois, genderflux, genderfluid, demigirl, demiboy, deminonbinary, bigender, quoigender, aporagender, gender questioning, fluidflux

[MORE!] girlflux, boyflux, rainbow pride, multiflux, abinary, greygender, gendervague, pangender, unlabeled, butch, femme, futch

Bottom Right–nonbinary, trigender, polygender, maverique, genderfae, genderfaun, xirl, xoy, xenogender, neurogender, egogender/charagender, systemgender, intersex, polyamorous, drag pride, kink pride, queer chevron, alternate polyamorous (infinity heart)

[MORE!] androgyne, gender non-conforming, lunarian, solarian, stellarian, singularian, aurorian, autigender, parsgender, genderfaer, genderfaunet, genderflor, genderqueer, genderfluid, nebulagender, leather pride, catgender, snarlgender

[MORE+] dragongender, pupgender, demifluid/demigenderfluid, agenderfluix, aesthetigender, ambiamorous, vaguegirl, vagueboy, vaguefluid, vagueflux, foggender, foggirl, fogboy, fogfluid, gendernimius, paramegender, butch, femme

[MORE 2+] futch, spacalian, novarian, nebularian, cometian, phoenixian, pistolian, galaxian, meteorian, penumbrian, siderealian, universian, celestian, constellian, dawnian, duskian, daenixian

[MORE 3+] duenixian, equinoxian, hafian, solstian, twilightian, umbrian, wanian, waxian, atmospherian

Pronouns–she/her, he/him, they/them, she/they, he/they, he/she, ey/em, fae/faer, ze/zir, xe/xir, ze/hir, xe/hir, nounself, any/all, he/she/they, it/its, none, ???, she/it, he/it, they/it, kit/kits, xe/xer, xe/xim, xey/xem, dei/deim, ask for pronouns, nya/nyan, she/he, xe/xem, ae/aer, co/cos, cy/cyp, cy/cym, voi/vil, lyx/lyx, ro/ros, ri/rin, cy/cyber, ce/cir, bug/bugs, they/bug, ne/nym, she/neos, he/neos, they/neos, ne/nem, e/em, ve/vers

*brackets indicate that the flags in that section have overflowed into the next item in the list–they’ll be found in the options labeled “MORE”.

Plans for the Future:

-fun patterns! The patterns I have planned so far are bubbles, triangles, stars, paw prints, honeycomb, and bowling alley carpet. If any of you are particularly interested in seeing one of these patterns, feel free to let me know–I’ll move it to the top of the list. And I’m open to more suggestions about patterns, as well!

-of course, I’m always open to more flags and pronouns being added, too. At the moment all panels have open slots for new additions. Shoot me a message if you have a suggestion!

#picrew #pride flags #trendercore #voidpunk #inclusionist #queer

[entity9silvergen]

Oriented Aroace Information Page

This is a page I wrote on the subreddit r/orientedaroace. It has undergone some edits. This post is an FAQ that explains what it means to be oriented aroace, angled aroace, electio aroace, different types of attraction, and more. If you think any information here needs to be edited, feel free to let me know.

What is oriented aroace?

An oriented aroace is an aromantic asexual (aroace) person who experiences a different form of attraction that is neither romantic nor sexual, but is significant enough to warrant a place alongside their aroace orientation. This means an aroace person uses a sexuality label such as gay, lesbian, uranic, or pan alongside the label aroace to explain their sexuality.

What is angled aroace?

Oriented aroace is not the same as angled aroace. Oriented aroace refers to "vanilla" aromantic asexuals who do not experience sexual or romantic attraction in any way while angled aroace refers to aroaces who can experience sexual or romantic attraction at times, such as demisexuals/romantics or greyasexuals/romantics. However, we as a community don't care about the distinction much. The creator of the term Oriented Aroace was a bit of a gatekeeper so we're trying to break down those barriers and make the oriented aroace community inclusive to whoever feels like they belong here. Many of us interpret the term oriented aroace as a broader term and angled aroace as a more specific term. We just want people to find a label and community they are comfortable with.

What is electio aroace?

An electio aroace is an aromantic asexual who does not experience tertiary attraction. But, some electio aroaces still use labels such as lesbian electio aroace or bi electioaroace to indicate which gender(s) they seek relationships with, if they want a relationship that is.

What labels are okay to use alongside the term oriented aroace?

Almost any label used to describe sexuality can be used alongside the term oriented aroace. Here is a list of examples with their definitions.

Labels on the A-Spectrum such as fraysexual or demiromantic cannot be used since those words would take the place of aro or ace. This means fray-oriented aroace, for example, is not a label. Using micolabels such as aegosexual/ romantic or apothisexal/ romantic are still considered "vanilla" asexual and aromantic so people who use those labels would still be considered oriented aroace but those labels are not considered an orientation, meaning something such as aego-oriented aroace is not a label.

Labels describing gender identity such as transgender or non-binary also cannot be used alongside oriented aroace because oriented aroace describes who you are attracted to, not who you are. Sexuality and gender are two separate parts of identity. If you are attracted to, for example, non-binary people, you can use a label such as cetero-oriented aroace. If you are an oriented aroace non-binary person, you could say, for example, you are an oriented aroace enby. Remember: sexuality labels are adjectives (with rare exceptions) while gender identity labels are nouns.

What are the different kinds of attraction?

Tertiary Attraction is an umbrella term made by the aro community used to describe nonsexual non-romantic attraction. Some types of tertiary attraction include the following:

Aesthetic Attraction is form physical attraction to appearance or the way someone looks

Alterous Attraction is a form of emotional attraction that is not romantic in nature

Amical Attraction is best described as a best friends relationship or similar to siblinghood that often is similar to or overlaps with queerplatonic feelings, involves nonsexual touching, and is valued more than other relationships

Cedural Attraction is a type of attraction that stems from the need to be protected or understood

Familial Attraction is a type of attraction based on a desire for emotional closeness with a person in the same way a person is bonded with their family

Intellectual Attraction is a type of attraction based on the desire to form an intellectual bond with someone

Platonic Attraction is a type of attraction describing the desire to form a close friendship with someone specific

Presential Attraction is a type of attraction based on the desire to know someone through their presence rather than by intimacy or touch

Queerplatonic Attraction (see Queerplatonic relationships below)

Sensual Attraction describes attraction to another person involving the senses, usually touch. Usually describes interest in nonsexual attraction such as cuddling or kissing but also includes non-tactile ways such as attraction to voices

Social Attraction is based on a desire to form social relationships or socialize with a particular person

Tutelary Attraction revolves around the desire to protect or care for a specific person

What if I don't experience these kinds of attraction?

Just like how not everyone experiences sexual and romantic attraction, not everyone experiences the types of attraction listed above. For example, a person who doesn't experience sensual attraction can be asensual or nonsensual. If someone does experience these kinds of attraction, that is considered allo and they would be called something such as alloplatonic or allosensual. And as stated above, electio aroace is a label you can use if it feels right.

What is a [insert type of attraction] crush called?

A squish is the a-spec equivalent of a crush, meaning a crush without the desire for a romantic or sexual relationship. There are also more specific words used for specific kinds of attraction such as the following: an amical crush is called a shush or thresh, a presential crush is called a swoon, a sensual crush is called a swoon, a social crush is called a rush, an alterous crush is called a mesh or a hush, and a tutelary crush is called a mush. Most specific words are rarely used and generally just called squishes.

Can aroaces still be in relationships?

Yes, they can. Many aromantics and asexuals are in Queerplatonic Relationships, also known as quasiplatonic relationships or queerplatonic partnerships. There is no set way to be in a QPR and anyone can be in one regardless of gender or sexuality. They can be monogamous or polyamorous, live together or not, be married or unmarried, have children or not. There is no set in stone way to be in a QPR but they are often characterized by close friendship and physical affection.

Where can I talk to other oriented aroaces?

Here is a permanent link to the oriented aroace subreddit's original discord.

#aro awareness week #aromantic #information #aromanticism #aro #aro week #asexual #ace #asexuality #oriented aroace #asepc #angled aroace #electio aroace #tertiary attraction #aspec information #squish #crush #qpr #qpr information #queerplatonic #queer #lgbt #lgbtqia #discord link

[aroconfusion]

hi no hate or anything just a genuine question but what does lesbian aroace mean? And how did you know you were aroace? Anyways you don’t need to respond to this but your blog’s really cool!

hi!! so lesbian aroace can generally mean 3 different things, which are the person is oriented aroace, angled aroace or they are aspec and when they experience attraction they are lesbian.

an oriented aroace is someone who is aromantic snd asexual but experience a different form of attraction, like aesthetic or queer platonic or alterous. or from wiki- a person who is aromantic and asexual but experiences a form of attraction that is neither romantic nor sexual, but is significant enough to warrant a place alongside their aroace orientation

angled aroace is basically the same thing but for people who are arospec/acespec, (although i don’t think anyone minds if arospec and/or acespec ppl use oriented aroace instead of angeled aroace, all are welcome!!) or from google- An angled aroace is a individual that is both ace-spec and aro-spec (though not necessarily strictly aromantic and asexual) who experiences sort form of attraction that they feel is significant enough to warrant a place alongside their aro-spec and ace-spec identities

finally, it could also mean someone is aspec and lesbian (or any other sexuality like bi, pan, etc), like demi romantic and demisexual and lesbian, so they like girls but only after creating an emotional connection.

*all of these can be used with a different label instead of lesbian, ex bi aroace, omni aroace, etc*

hope those definitions made sense hahah

as to how i figured out i was aroace, it was kind of an ongoing process throughout my sophomore year if high school. i had seen the definitions in the book the 57 bus and they caught my attention, particularly quiromantic and asexual. i googled the terms, read a lot about them and thought about how they compared to my experiences, which was basically never liking anyone, of any gender haha. i was worried that i hadn’t liked anyone yet but maybe i’d just never meet my type yet. but eventually i realized that i didn’t want to like anyone and that i’d never liked anyone and it seemed like it would be rather inconvenient and that that type of thinking probably isn’t what allo (not aspec) ppl thought. plus, even if i later found a label that was better for me, the labels aroace helped me now, in allowing me to understand and describe my experiences better. i went back and forth and went through the labels, aceflux, quiromantic but eventually i landed in aroace and am very happy with them :)

so srry i ramble a lot hahah but i hope this was helpful! i’m glad you like my blog, and feel free to send more asks if this was confusing or you have more questions! also if anyone has better definitions pls add them to this hahah

#ask #aromantic #asexual #aro #ace #oriented aroace #lesbian aroace #lesbian aromantic asexual #aroace #aromantic asexual #i’m not a very eloquent person so i hope this response made sense hahah #everyone feel free to ask me shit i get very bored and will over share :)

[aspecpplarebeautiful]

Hiii! So like. This is a bit ranty but ik that the line between oriented and angled aroace has been blurred but still ajdjdjj. I kinda fit into both? I’m gray ace, so I aint fully aroace, but I’m not identifying as angled/oriented solely bcus of the sometimes sexual attraction. The platonic and sensual attraction play a role too. So I’m kinda split into both. I can’t rlly choose if that makes sense? I’m leaning towards angled cause I like the flag better lol, but it doesn’t rlly. Describe my whole experience. I id as bi. I’m thinking bout iding as just bi aro(gray)ace? This is kinda rambly but yeah idk man. Neither of them rlly sum it up.

Yeah honestly if you don’t feel like either quite fit you you don’t have to use them. And bi aro(gray)ace is a good label. People identifying as things like bi aroace predates both those labels too, including for people identifying with bi because of at least partially or entirely of tertiary attractions (that is non-romantic/non-sexual types of attraction), and it has the advantage of being a bit broader and covering more types of experiences. So while oriented/angled aroace are definitely useful labels, don’t feel like you’re obligated to use one personally, especially if you don’t feel like they’re useful for you.

Honestly at this stage of questioning I think it’s important to start looking at labels more as what you feel fits you and what feels right, rather than right or wrong. Because labels have just as much to do with personality and how you want to be described as anything else. It’s kind of like clothes, you can try them on and see how they feel, but if they’re not comfortable then maybe you need a different size or style. And if you find you’re never wearing a specific piece of clothes, and the rest of your outfit looks fine without it, it’s fine to toss it in the donate bin.

But yeah do what feels right, and if using angled/oriented aroace ends up feeling right, that’s fine, but don’t force yourself. And don’t be afraid to try things out or maybe even play around a bit if what you’re trying right now doesn’t feel quite right either.

All the best, Anon!

#Anonymous

[ace-thinks]

hi 💕 ive never sent one of these, it might b weird srry. so ive ID'd as aro ace for a while and then earlier this year a dated a girl for a while and then i ID'd as an ace lesbian but we've been broken up for a while now and it's just left me confused. i know that im aesthetically attracted to women, but not in a romantic or sexual way. i just feel like a fake lesbian since I dont want any relationships or anything im just lost idk i was wondering if u or anyone knew something idk

Hi! This isn’t weird at all - I’m really glad you reached out! 

First and foremost, I just want to stress the idea that you can identify however you want. It’s your identity. So if you feel most comfortable identifying as an ace lesbian then you can absolutely do that. You’re not “fake” at all. You’re just being you.

Second, you can still be an ace lesbian (or straight or bi or anything) even if you don’t want a relationship or sex. There are plenty of people in the world who are don’t ever want to be in relationships but still ID as straight, bi, etc. 

Okay, now lets talk about two concepts within the aroace community that are at least somewhat related to what you’re talking about.

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Oriented Aroace

“[Oriented aroaces] experience attraction that’s neither romantic nor sexual, but is significant enough to warrant a place alongside their aroace orientation.” -- coined by biaroace

That attraction can be sensual, aesthetic, alterous, or anything else. Usually oriented aroaces seek non-sexual and non-romantic relationships with their preferred sex/gender, but not always.

If you feel like the aesthetic attraction that you feel towards women is significant enough to warrant a label outside of your aroace identity, then consider looking into this.

Some oriented aroace blogs that I follow are biaroace, xweetara, aroacelesbian, the-gays-took-my-coffee, ace-and-aro-wlw-positivity, ornery-oriented-for-positivity.

Electio Aroace

“Electio aroace: a person who feels no attraction whatsoever but has sexual/romantic relationships anyway.” -- coined by electioaroace

This one might not work for you as well since it’s for aroaces who explicitly seek sexual/romantic relationships, but I thought I’d include it here anyway just to show how diverse the aroace community is.

There’s also angled aroace which you can read more about here.

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There are plenty of people who identify as aroace and still claim a third identity for whatever reason. 

For some people, it’s a way to let others know that even though they’re aroace, they’re still interested in having some sort of committed relationship with a specific gender/sex.

For others, it’s meant to help themselves understand the way their attraction works in relation to their aroaceness.

For you, I would recommend thinking about what your reason is. When you call yourself an ace lesbian, what are you trying to express/do?

Despite not wanting a relationship, do you still want people to know that you feel a special connection/attraction to women that you don’t feel towards anyone else?

Is it a way for you to reflect the fact that you’ve been in a relationship with a girl in the past?

Is it for a hypothetical relationship in the future? A way for you to leave the door cracked in case the “right girl” comes along?

After thinking about your reason, you might realize that there’s a better way to express what you’re trying to express. You might find that there actually really isn’t a reason to include “lesbian” in your identity. 

Or you might find that ace lesbian is actually the perfect way to express how you feel.

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Think about those things and maybe explore the different identities and communities I listed (you might find a bunch of people who feel just like you do).

This was a lot, but I hope some of it helps. Good luck!

#ace #asexual #aroace #asexuality #aromantic #aromanticism #aroace lesbian #ace lesbian #oriented aroace #electio aroace #lesbian electio aroace #oriented aroace lesbian #ace asks

[a-spec-community-issues]

hey so I'm coming to terms with the fact that I'm aroace lately, and I've been doing quite a bit of research of terms and the like. I came across oriented aro/ace and angled aro/ace earlier and they seem to really fit me (I was arguing a lot with myself on how I could be both gay and arcoace, so this really helps) but I can't seem to find a real differing between the two? Thanks :)

Angled VS Oriented

Oriented is for anyone who is Asexual Aromantic, fully AroAce. You cannot be demisexual. It’s specifically for Aromantic Asexuals who feel that the orientation fits them. For example, I am Oriented AroAce. Specifically Bi AroAce. I’m not sexually or romantically attracted to people, but aesthetic attraction, someone who looks really nice out of dudes or chicks, I’ll want to be around. I don’t want them sexually or romantically though.

Angled takes away the necessity to be Aromantic and Asexual. For example I could call myself Bi Fictosexual Fictoromantic, which would make me an Angled Aspec. But you can also be Bi AroAce and still be angled.

Angled was created to be a more inclusive term than Oriented, and both work in the same way. Oriented only has a stipulation that you are completely AroAce and Angled just means you have to be Aspec in both aspects.

- Mod D

#angled aroace #oriented aroace #anon #angled vs oriented anon #mod d

[trailerparkk]

P3/P4/P5 Pride Icons? Well do I have some good news for you!

Here’s all my guidelines and info for requests. As in, I’m borderline begging for anyone to request some sort of icon. I’m stuck in isolation for possible a few days to 2/3 weeks, and need something to do.

All requests are free, of course. And they’ll always be open

I will do almost any character from Persona 3, Persona 4 or Persona 5! The only exceptions are that I will not make icons of Adachi or Kamoshida.

I will do any identity! It doesn’t matter if it’s one everyone knows or what some would call “mogai” - as long as it has a flag, I can make it into an icon. (This does include xenogender, neurogenders, aesthetic flags variation, combo flags etc)

If you want a specific variation of a flag or a different flag than what I used for your request, then just tell me! Don’t be scared, I’m not scary!

Please be specific about what character art you want used, if you want something specific. If not, I’ll do multiple icons of official art, talking portraits and pq artwork (where possible)

If my askbox doesn’t work, you can send requests to my curious cat instead - https://curiouscat.me/Aspietwink

If you would rather just general pride flag icons as oppse to any specific flag, you can request any of the icon sets I have prepared. All these use the same character image, but change flag

Set 1 - Mainstream LGBT+ (LGBT+, @emostiims ‘ gay guy flag, Lesbian, Bi, Pan, Ace, Aro, Trans, Non-Binary)

Set 2 - Aspec Part 1 (Grey-Ace, Demi, Aceflux, Cupio, Akoi, Abro, AroAce, Oriented AroAce, Angled AroAce)

Set 3 - Aspec Part 2 (Grey-Aro, Demiro, Aroflux, Quoi/WTF, Idem, Nebularomantic - 3 more tbd)

Set 4 - Genders (Agender, Libramasculine, Librafeminine, Demiboy, Deminon-binary, Demigirl, Genderfluid, Genderfae, Genderfaun)

Please give me anything, I’m desperate to do some icons

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[tiger-moran]

Cut for ranting about ace/aro/oriented aroace shit, don’t reblog this, probably don’t even read this, I’m still cranky from pain and rambling and this probably doesn’t even make sense

The thing about that oriented/angled aroace stuff is...

I don’t give a fuck who identifies with what, it doesn’t matter to me who calls themselves what and while I do consider myself oriented aroace it isn’t particularly a term I would use to generally define myself, it’s more something that’s just... background information I guess but what I do give a fuck about is how that is yet something else that’s isolated me even further from the so-called “aspec community”, because it has yet again revealed this so-called community does not actually accept or like people like me much.

I mean I say “community” like that in quotes because there is no single cohesive community, for anything, not really. In reality these are all different scattered groups, there is no single aspec or ace or aro or anything else community. But to whatever extent there actually is one cohesive community, I’ve never felt a connection to it. Not really ever. I called myself asexual many years back totally independently of anyone else. Some years later I came across a few other people who also called themselves asexual, but it was never some ‘community’, it was literally just stumbling across a couple of similar people on blogs that were about other things entirely, and stuff like that. And even as awareness of asexuality and aromanticism has spread, at least online, I’ve really only become more detached from that “community”. The only communities I’ve ever really felt any kind of connection with are the bi community and the queer community.

And I get totally that most of the hate and bigotry towards ace and aro people is coming from total outsiders, both people who are not aspec and not remotely queer or LGBT+ or anything like that. But there is still a lot from within it too, within the actual aspec “community”. And that shit, while it may be from a small minority, is still way more fucking grating overall than the external stuff from the more general aphobes and the aspec “””””exclusionists””””.

Because it’s people within the aspec community (as far as one does exist) who have consistently or repeatedly essentially told me that:

we all have to use the split attraction model, despite plenty of us not actually seeing any meaningful distinction or split between sexual and romantic attraction and despite many people using the word asexual to refer to both sexual and romantic attraction way, way before aromantic seemed to have been possibly even coined or at least commonly used.

if I’m not completely terrified of even the mention of sex/read smut/have anything resembling a libido/write smut/am kinky/ever so much as even think about having sex I’m not really ace

and very similar things about romance and being aro too

as an aroace it’s somehow my fault, not the fault of bigots, but my fault and the fault of other aroaces simply for existing that everyone thinks all aces are aro and vice-versa.

as an aroace I’m basically not really aro and will always prioritise asexuality because I don’t see aromanticism as meaningful or important in any way

and yes, that if I experience other forms of attraction or desire any kind of intimate relationship I’m not really aroace. Sometimes it’s a denial of being aroace full stop. A lot of the times though it’s trying to force grey/demi identities or labels on me when I am not grey/demi. Both of those are shitty things to do because speaking over someone about their own identity and feelings and experiences and acting like you know their identity better than they do is always a shitty thing to do.

So yeah, while none of these are things that uniquely come from within the aspec “community” and while I don’t actually care who calls themself whatever, I have basically been told over and over by certain other aspecs for years and years now that I’m doing asexuality/aromanticism/being aroace wrong and that I’m not those things. And this fairly recent thing with another person whose orientation and experiences connected to it seem to be extremely similar to mine creating a term for themself (I’m afraid I can’t remember their pronouns offhand) and people very similar to them and then a lot of people piling onto them and essentially screaming at them that they’re a bigot for that, and much of this shit often coming from people who claim to be so accepting and supportive of microlabels and more specific terms for identities that can’t be adequately expressed in a more simplistic way too... I get completely why that creator of ‘oriented aroace’ was pissed off by this because instead of going after the actual bigots and saying ‘maybe it’s shitty to try to force terms and labels onto people and tell them you’re not actually X you’re Y’ and insist people use labels that don’t fit them, they went after that person, just for trying to express their own identity. And as far as I can remember that person too was made to feel so very isolated and excluded and generally shit on by the overall aspec and aroace communities and having people try to force terms like grey or demi onto them despite those not being their identities and not something they experienced, that was why they created that term, but then a load of people started demanding no it HAS to be for everyone and insisting that no you can’t have a microlabel for yourselves and actually angled aroace (which again as far as I know was not intended to be a synonym or interchangeable with it by the creator of that term) is just an interchangeable synonym now. (And no pointing out that you’re not grey/demi and wanting some way to distinguish yourself from people who are in order to find people who you can relate to in that very specific area is not bigotry. It’s creating a microlabel for a subset of aroace, that’s like... the entire point of microlabels, to describe particular parts of one’s identity; the overall term is aroace, anything else is a microlabel for a subset of aroace).

It has shown yet again, the aspec community doesn’t care about aroaces and it especially doesn’t give a fuck about us when we ‘do being aroace wrong’ according to them. And no it is not that saying that people who are aspec as in grey/demi rather than ‘full’ aroace don’t also experience shit from the overall communities (and the idea that somehow one group or subgroup experiencing some kind of bigotry or oppression or anything negative and being upset about that is somehow saying anything at all about any other group or subgroup is just totally absurd and probably entirely the product of all these silly 14 year olds running “discourse” blogs full of their inane “hot takes”, and that idea needs to die now). As far I know the creator of oriented aroace never tried to claim other aspec groups or subgroups did not experience their own issues either, but people still piled onto them and attacked them over it instead of ever bothering to address the aphobia that does exist particularly towards certain subsets even within the aspec community.

I mean so far I don’t feel any need to actually stop identifying as aroace or ace or anything like that (possibly because, you know, spite) but if I ever do despite literally still being aroace, it’s not going to be because of bigotry from outside the ‘aspec community’, it will be entirely because of that probably actually small but still annoying as fuck minority within it and it’s like... I will defend other aspecs to the ends of the earth but I still don’t actually feel any connection with most of them, mostly because of all of this stuff.

#not tagging this I don't want it in any of the tags

[idkwhatimdoingbutimgonnacontinue]

How can you be aroace and a lesbian? To be a lesbian you need to feel attraction of some kind to females/ feminine NB. Or are you on the aro and ace spectrum but just not fully aroace? (I don't mean to sound rude- I'm just confused)

This is like the second ask I've got about this so I'm going to break this down almost all the way. Sorry in advance if you understand all the terms, I dont know how much you know about the aspec community and the many many different terms we use.

QPRs (queer/quasi platonic relationships) are kind of like an in between between friendships and a romantic relationships. It is also different. Each one is different too. They usually take some aspects of friendships and romantic relationships to make the relationship.

A lot of aroace people (but not all) have these relationships. Allos (short for allosexual alloromantics or people who are not asexual or aromantic) can also have these relationships, but usually are unaware their relationship is this or are in the relationship with someone on the spectrum of asexuality and/or aromanticism (I'm sure there are some instances where allos are together and know they are in a QPR but I havent met anyone online or irl like this)

So some aroace people have QPPs or queer/quasi platonic partners. But something some aroace people have discovered is that they want to be in a QPR with a specific gender(s). This has led to the creation of the label Oriented Aroace.

Now the way Oriented Aroaces specify the gender they want to be in a QPR with is by adding the label people typically associate with allos.

In my case it is lesbian aroace. Others use gay aroace or pan aroace or bi aroace etc etc etc. I've been considering writing it as Lesbian Oriented Aroace to make it a little less confusing.

Also, just for fun I'm going to tell you that the term used for people who are demi or grey or any other term people on the asexuality and aromanticism spectrum is Angled Aroace.

#oriented aroace #angled aroace #aroace #lesbian aroace #bi aroace #pan aroace #gay aroace #aroace positivity #lesbian oriented aroace

[raavenb2619]

Hey so idk if this makes sense but im aroace and im positive i am. but i also feel like im bi. I know that there are 4 attractions sensual sexual romantic and aesthetic so while i id as aro ace i feel i may be aromamtic asexual bi-sensual????pan-aesthetic???? Does this make sense? I feel as tho it doesnt.

Short answer, that makes sense and you’re valid!

Long answer, that makes sense and here’s why. Normally when people talk about being attracted to someone, they don’t specify how they’re attracted, just that they’re attracted, but if you find it helpful, you talk about different types of attraction. The list I know is (in no particular order) sexual, romantic, platonic, aesthetic, sensual, and alterous. Platonic attraction is (at least for me) wanting to be someone’s friend and hang out with them; it’s sort of like a crush, but without any romance or sexuality (this is called a squish btw). Alterous attraction is intentionally hard to define, neither strictly platonic or romantic, although it can involve aspects of both; for me, it’s sort of in between platonic and romantic, but not everyone sees it like that. 

Not everyone has to give an orientation label to every kind of attraction, though. Some people aren’t sure if they experience a type of attraction, some people don’t know the right words to describe how their attraction works, some people find some types of attraction aren’t important enough to label, some people don’t want to use multiple labels, some people can’t distinguish between different types of attraction, etc etc. Basically, you can of course give orientation labels to multiple different kinds of attraction, but you don’t have to, either, even if you do experience multiple types of attraction. 

So can you call yourself bi aroace, or aromantic, asexual, bi-sensual, and pan-aesthetic? Of course! 

P.S. you might also want to read up on oriented aroace and angled aroace. 

#ask #Anonymous #aroace #aro #ace #aromantic #asexual #aspec #arospec #acespec #queer #lgbtq #original #questioning #questioning bi aroace #questioning orientation #questioning bi #questioning bisensual #questioning pan #questioning panaesthetic

[marinsawakening]

Arospec headcanon ask game: Paninya!

HO BOY you picked like the ONE character I love that I don’t have a set headcanon for but I sure love talking about Paninya so I’m gonna go with it.

What arospec identities do they have? (Can be as specific or vague as desired)

Okay SO I really love to see her as some flavor of arospec, because I’m arospec and I love her, but I CANNOT decide what I want to actually headcanon her as. However, I do know she’d still be open to a romantic relationship, regardless of the arospec identity, because I headcanon that she and Winry start one post-canon. 

Identities that I generally flux between are cupioromantic/romance-favourable lesbian, quoiromantic lesbian, or oriented/angled aroace lesbian. I do also headcanon her as alloro sometimes (and also bi in the sense of liking both nonbinary people and girls), to be honest. I’m gonna go with quoiromantic lesbian for the sake of this post.

(…Aroflux might work? GOD I need to decide on a headcanon for her.)

(Anyway she’d definitely queer.)

How proud of being arospec are they?

Proud, but after the euphoria period after she figured it out, she kind of died down a little. When she first figured it out, she was yelling it across the roofs, literally, with people in Rush Valley being very confused but congratulating her nonetheless. After that, she did calm down, but she still drops it into a quite a few conversations if she can get away with it, and definitely has a pride flag and pin.

Do they prioritize their arospec identity over any others?

Eh, not really? Her top priority is definitely the fact that she’s transfem and an amputee, and after that the rest of her identities kind of get thrown into a big heap. It’s difficult for her to figure things out, and she’s still questioning a lot (both on the queer front and the neurodiversity front), but she’s definitely proud of being a grade A weirdo. 

Are they out? If so, how did they come out, and to whom?

They’re out to like the entirety of Rush Valley due to the aforementioned ‘screaming it off the rooftops’ incident. She’s also out to pretty much everyone she’s ever met, because she drops it into a LOT of conversations, but specifically, she’s out to Ed and Winry. Winry because she was the catalyst to figuring things out, and Ed because she’s in a qpr with him and he’s also arospec, so they have some strong Chaotic Arospec Solidarity going on. 

How do they feel about romance? Romance-favorable? Romance-neutral? Romance-repulsed? Or does it fluctuate?

Romance-favourable, definitely! She loves doing romance-coded things like kissing and cuddling and dating, and she’s very happy with her romantic relationship! She’s actually quite the romantic, kind of like Will from the Princess Bride but like, 200 times more chaotic.

Have they ever experienced arophobia? If so, how?

Not really. I headcanon Rush Valley as a haven of queer people of all kinds, so although aro people are still a minority, she’s been involved in the queer community for quite some time and has found pretty radical acceptance there. Also Don would fight anyone who did anything to Paninya, and so would the rest of the town tbh, not to mention the fact that Paninya has a canon in one leg and a knife in the other, so people know better than to mess with her.

How do they show their arospec pride?

Pins, flags, and a lot of talking about it! She’s also goes to pride, and although the queer/trans flag is the largest just about every year, she does fly the quoiro and/or aro flags proudly on a regular basis.

Do they actively try to combat amatonormativity in their daily lives or elsewhere? If so, how?

Again, she talks about being quoiro a lot and she’s in a really unsual qpr with Winry and Ed, so she’s basically the walking talking antithesis to amatonormativity. 

Was it easy for them to label themselves arospec, or was there a long period of questioning? How many labels did they have to try before landing on the one they use now?

It wasn’t that easy; it was probably the hardest of her queer identities. Quoiromanticism by definition is confusing as hell, and her cocktail of neurodiversities (which yes, I haven’t decided on either, shut up) made focusing on her feelings for long enough to actually, you know, figure out an identity quite hard, but Winry kind of put things into overdrive. Paninya was definitely attracted to her in a sexual way, and there was something else too, but it was a really weird blur and practically impossible to figure out. She liked romance things, yes, but she doesn’t quite understand what people mean by romantic attracation, or platonic attraction for that matter, and doesn’t quite understand how you’d differentiate a friend that you go on platonic dates with and a romantic partner, aside from the fact that with the latter, you’ve decided to be in a romantic relationship. Labeling the attraction she felt for Winry was a gigantic hassle, because she just plain fundamentally doesn’t understand the difference between platonic and romantic attraction and is permanently confused by everything. Then she learnt of the term quoiromantic, specifically the ‘not able to differentiate platonic attraction from romantic attraction’ definition, and well, it clicked and she was very happy about it.

Would they be interested in a QPR? Why or why not?

Like I said, she’s in a queerplatonic triad with Winry and Ed, but it’s a bit more complicated than that tbh. She’s in a romantic relationship with Winry, and in the world’s most informal qpr with Ed, and Ed and Winry are in a committed relationship they’ve chosen not to label for the moment. She probably wouldn’t have sought out a qpr on her own, preferring a romantic relationship, but she’s glad that Ed proposed it, because she’s found that it fulfills a different type of need for her than her romantic relationship with Winry. Her and Ed’s qpr is a lot less formal and love-y dovey (like I said, Paninya’s quite the romantic with Winry, albeit it in a very chaotic way), and looks like a weirdly competitive friendship for everyone around them, but they also feel very at ease around each other, and plan big life decisions with each other (and Winry, of course), so they both felt like a ‘queerplatonic’ label would just be convenient, especially since they were both already in a relationship with Winry. 

Final thoughts?

I may not know what I headcanon Paninya as exactly but she sure is in a queerplatonic relationship and I sure love her to pieces!

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